When I heard people were getting sore shoulders and backs from really bowling and really fighting, Wii became the first console that I *EVER* wanted to buy. When I heard it was only $250, "want" became "will". And I tried damn hard to get one now but the best I've gotten is, "Well we had 25 come in this morning but they all sold out in under 30 minutes. Would you like to buy a PS3?"
Yea sorry man- but looking at ebay the wii's are insane and the ps3's -- well a couple haven't made minimum bid of retail. (i'm so sorry for thos e budding capitalists who got stuck with their 600 dollar console).
"if you go to the back of the building, you can get a free paper from the stacks of extra papers they put out as trash"
And the judge says that's stealing even if they put it out as trash (this has happened in the real world). And so the judge says you are aiding and abetting them.
This entire area is built on artificial monopolies. It doesn't make sense. It has no moral founding. It's just arbitrary random rules bought by rich people.
I think you miss the point that all content is copyrighted.
The requirement that they object is a red herring.
You are not allowed to use anyone else's copyrighted material without securing their EXPLICIT consent. You see this kind of stuff on wiki all the time as they are very careful about copyright.
Again- for the second time in as many days- GOOGLE isn't legal under these rulings. It produces links to copyrighted material.
The internet grew so quickly because we were allowed to play fast and loose with the rules and had a lot of freedom. As they lock everything down, it is going to solidify into concrete and only the illegal/secret parts of it are going to keep growing fast.
It's like you are of religion1 and I'm of religion2.
For example: you think that they deserve protection or they won't produce and I think that's complete bullshit. For example: you implicitly think that these laws are moral or that all laws should be followed just be cause they are laws and I disagree with that as well. For example: you appear to have no problem with paying for works that would have been in the public domain except lots of money was spent to extend the time period to levels I feel are ridiculous.
You seem to think that I can't just as easily record songs off the radio to MP3 as I can p2p them and obviously I can. You seem to think that I can't make DVD's of movies and videos off of cable and obviously I can. And both of these are legal even tho they are essentially identical.
You seem to think that the rules are moral and correct and if my CD goes bad or is stolen, I really am ethically obligated to destroy all of my copies of the songs made from that CD.
There are probably 6 or 7 ways I can have a basically identical copy of a song at varying price levels, legality, and risk.
I completely disagree that people who are good at stringing 12 notes together deserve to be paid for the rest of their lives and 50 years beyond (or more usually the corporation that purchased the rights from them-- rather blackmailed them into selling the rights since that corporation has a monopolistic lock on distribution and concert venues.
I don't see the risk/reward in p2p'ing songs but I do get them by any method I can except buying them. I pretty much hate the music industry at this time (only second to Sony). I go to concerts and listen to the radio, but I don't expect to buy another musical product again in my life except from small independent outfits like Magnatune which I feel are fair to the artist and to the customer.
The (many) stores I'm visiting are reporting getting new supply but that it sells out within a half an hour so basically if you are not in the store when it arrives, you are sol. At one local walmart they received 25 Wii's and sold them basically instantly to random people or people who had just decided to camp that particular store.
The Wii is the first console I've ever been interested in.
It's inexpensive. It has a very interesting control system. The control system is not likely to screw up my wrists (tho it may beef up my arms!).
Xbox is too expensive and a Microsoft product and I'm really disliking them more with each passing year. PS3 is a Sony product and I will never ever buy another Sony product in my life (great products- the worst customer service I've ever see-- never been literally verbally attacked by customer service before or since Sony). PS3 is too expensive for a console.
When all other businesses without artificial protections makes a profit margin of roughly 3 to 7 percent and this business has huge profit margins, you can reasonably say prices are too high. When the profits in the entertainment business drop to the point that they are not up to their noses in coke and hookers, then we might feel better about their prices.
Personally, I think a reasonable price for songs is about a dime if they are over 10 years old and about 25 cents up to about a year old and maybe a dollar for that first year.
It's a very convenient service for the price. The price is a reasonable price and closer to what I feel a "fair" price for songs. The service is excellent, very quick.
Legally- you are ONLY downloading (none of that p2p uploading while you download stuff) so you are not infringing copyright.
It has a great selection compared to p2p.
I can SELECT the quality level I want and the price I want to pay from a 3meg mp3 to a 27 meg wav file.
Does it somehow flow up to the parent anyway (even tho she had no control or knowledge?
Say Riaa wins $50,000 from each of the boys. What's the likely outcome?
I ask because I was hit by a broke hispanic guy from behind- got a $25,000 judgement and never saw a dime of it. He had so few assets that there was nothing to collect the judgement on (tho he probably earned 30 to 40k per year.
18 is a bit arbitrary but there is solid scientific evidence that their brain's are not even finished forming before age 12 to 13.
Speaking as a parent, I'm ignorant of 90% of what my daughter did in her life. We are NOT JOINED AT THE HIP 24/7. She went to school on her own, took baths alone, spent time in her room alone.
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And there are stacks and stacks of Xbox's at the local Fry's, Best Buy, and Walmart.
So they may shipped them but right before christmas, they still are not sold.
It's the controller and the price.
When I heard people were getting sore shoulders and backs from really bowling and really fighting, Wii became the first console that I *EVER* wanted to buy. When I heard it was only $250, "want" became "will". And I tried damn hard to get one now but the best I've gotten is, "Well we had 25 come in this morning but they all sold out in under 30 minutes. Would you like to buy a PS3?"
Agree with you.
;) ).
Imagine what's more fun... Call of Duty 3 clicking little chicklets on a controller held in both hands...
Or Call of Duty 3, holding a blazing sub machine gun in your hand and literally throwing the grenades (hopefully not into your TV.
Or really driving a tank with both hands and firing.
Or even maybe opening a door by reaching out and grabbing it and pulling it instead of just clicking it.
Huh? He didn't score well on what?
Yea sorry man- but looking at ebay the wii's are insane and the ps3's -- well a couple haven't made minimum bid of retail. (i'm so sorry for thos e budding capitalists who got stuck with their 600 dollar console).
yes it is insane.
Isn't it more like,
"if you go to the back of the building, you can get a free paper from the stacks of extra papers they put out as trash"
And the judge says that's stealing even if they put it out as trash (this has happened in the real world).
And so the judge says you are aiding and abetting them.
This entire area is built on artificial monopolies. It doesn't make sense. It has no moral founding. It's just arbitrary random rules bought by rich people.
Perhaps the embedded Walmart analogy will replace the car analogy for the next century!
I think you miss the point that all content is copyrighted.
The requirement that they object is a red herring.
You are not allowed to use anyone else's copyrighted material without securing their EXPLICIT consent. You see this kind of stuff on wiki all the time as they are very careful about copyright.
Again- for the second time in as many days- GOOGLE isn't legal under these rulings. It produces links to copyrighted material.
The internet grew so quickly because we were allowed to play fast and loose with the rules and had a lot of freedom. As they lock everything down, it is going to solidify into concrete and only the illegal/secret parts of it are going to keep growing fast.
The problem is I disagree with your basic axioms.
It's like you are of religion1 and I'm of religion2.
For example: you think that they deserve protection or they won't produce and I think that's complete bullshit.
For example: you implicitly think that these laws are moral or that all laws should be followed just be cause they are laws and I disagree with that as well.
For example: you appear to have no problem with paying for works that would have been in the public domain except lots of money was spent to extend the time period to levels I feel are ridiculous.
You seem to think that I can't just as easily record songs off the radio to MP3 as I can p2p them and obviously I can.
You seem to think that I can't make DVD's of movies and videos off of cable and obviously I can.
And both of these are legal even tho they are essentially identical.
You seem to think that the rules are moral and correct and if my CD goes bad or is stolen, I really am ethically obligated to destroy all of my copies of the songs made from that CD.
There are probably 6 or 7 ways I can have a basically identical copy of a song at varying price levels, legality, and risk.
I completely disagree that people who are good at stringing 12 notes together deserve to be paid for the rest of their lives and 50 years beyond (or more usually the corporation that purchased the rights from them-- rather blackmailed them into selling the rights since that corporation has a monopolistic lock on distribution and concert venues.
I don't see the risk/reward in p2p'ing songs but I do get them by any method I can except buying them. I pretty much hate the music industry at this time (only second to Sony). I go to concerts and listen to the radio, but I don't expect to buy another musical product again in my life except from small independent outfits like Magnatune which I feel are fair to the artist and to the customer.
LoL.
Yea he left out a word.
Stupid slashdot editor (every other forum i'm on let's me edit posts).
The article basically said if you have certain disorders they want to jail you even if you haven't done any thing.
If they grew up on Heinlein and Voht(sp- the weapon shop stories) they tend towards libertarian more.
The (many) stores I'm visiting are reporting getting new supply but that it sells out within a half an hour so basically if you are not in the store when it arrives, you are sol. At one local walmart they received 25 Wii's and sold them basically instantly to random people or people who had just decided to camp that particular store.
Every place I went asking about Wii they tried to sell me the PS3's sitting there.
Not saying they are not selling a lot of PS3's but they are not flying off the shelves and you could get one easily if you cared to.
The Wii is the first console I've ever been interested in.
It's inexpensive.
It has a very interesting control system.
The control system is not likely to screw up my wrists (tho it may beef up my arms!).
Xbox is too expensive and a Microsoft product and I'm really disliking them more with each passing year.
PS3 is a Sony product and I will never ever buy another Sony product in my life (great products- the worst customer service I've ever see-- never been literally verbally attacked by customer service before or since Sony). PS3 is too expensive for a console.
Thanks.
I never got his social security number but the court has the records.
It was a $25,000 judgement back in 1992 so that's been a while.
The judge at the time literally said "good luck every collecting it".
Plus before music became so profitable, almost all venues were locked up.
So if you want to tour, you have to play the game.
It's a fact.
I could also add he was driving a pickup truck and that he was in his mid 20's.
And that it looked like his parents were not here legally tho he was a citizen (so probably by birth).
Or that it was halloween.
Or that I was sitting stopped at a red light when he hit me doing at least 30 mph since it broke my seat.
And that he tried to escape the scene but his truck was too screwed up to get more than about 150 feet.
Amazing that I can invent ANY product in the world and I get a grand total of 17 years protection.
However if I string 12 notes together, they are locked up for over a hundred years.
allofmp3 has better selection than bit torrent.
bit torrent randomly has or doesn't have a song on a given day.
allofmp3 I'm only downloading- not uploading so I have greatly reduced legal risk.
there is no chance that allofmp3 product is being sent to me by riaa or a riaa stooge for the purpose of entrapping me.
If musicians had your attitude during the birth of the blues- there would BE no blues music genre.
Musicians stole back and forth like crazy until fairly recently when suddenly reusing a fairly short sequence of notes became stealing.
Not necessarily.
When all other businesses without artificial protections makes a profit margin of roughly 3 to 7 percent and this business has huge profit margins, you can reasonably say prices are too high. When the profits in the entertainment business drop to the point that they are not up to their noses in coke and hookers, then we might feel better about their prices.
Personally, I think a reasonable price for songs is about a dime if they are over 10 years old and about 25 cents up to about a year old and maybe a dollar for that first year.
It's a very convenient service for the price.
The price is a reasonable price and closer to what I feel a "fair" price for songs.
The service is excellent, very quick.
Legally- you are ONLY downloading (none of that p2p uploading while you download stuff) so you are not infringing copyright.
It has a great selection compared to p2p.
I can SELECT the quality level I want and the price I want to pay from a 3meg mp3 to a 27 meg wav file.
Are they essentially judgement proof anyway?
Does it somehow flow up to the parent anyway (even tho she had no control or knowledge?
Say Riaa wins $50,000 from each of the boys. What's the likely outcome?
I ask because I was hit by a broke hispanic guy from behind- got a $25,000 judgement and never saw a dime of it. He had so few assets that there was nothing to collect the judgement on (tho he probably earned 30 to 40k per year.
18 is a bit arbitrary but there is solid scientific evidence that their brain's are not even finished forming before age 12 to 13.
Speaking as a parent, I'm ignorant of 90% of what my daughter did in her life. We are NOT JOINED AT THE HIP 24/7. She went to school on her own, took baths alone, spent time in her room alone.
I don't mind at all. In fact, I'm filing away your suggestions for next years's beach thing.