Are you completely incapble of holding in your head two facts at the same time?
* some of the people in gitmo are innocent. I'd even grant up to 10% (as I did in the parent post). * MOST of the people in gitmo were educated from childhood that I'm not human and they would celebrate at finding any way to kill me or hearing someone else had killed me. This repeats what i said in my parent post. Do you have trouble parsing that I equated "most" to 90% in the original post? It was basic english. Perhaps you got so mad at the first couple sentences that you failed to read the rest of the post?
Do you seriously believe that the vast majority of people in gitmo were picked up while shopping or doing innocuous activities and are completely innocent?
Until the saudi's and others stop educating their 7 year olds that we are not human and deserve to die this is going to continue to be a problem. They have no moral restraint with regard to killing us because it was never put in them in the first place. This has nothing to do with all the nasty shit america and others have done. We (and everyone else) have done lots of nasty shit to everyone- but we don't educate our children from birth to kill other people. But certain right wing xtian groups are starting to do that now and it's scary.
The reality is there are millions of people (including millions of children) out there who would celebrate in the streets at your or my painful deaths.
Good points. I don't completely agree since, for example, i see posting here on slashdot more akin to talking than "publishing". But I'll grant your point so I can conclude from it that:
Unless the parents knew about or helped them produce the newsletters (on their mimeo machine in the basement) they are not responsible. You can't be responsible for things that haven't happened yet and are not predictable. Under.000001% of students do something like this- it's not like the lack of a gated fence around a pool.
I can't see how the parents will be held accountable other than arbitrarily unless it is shown that they had some way of knowing or actively supported the production of the myspace pages.
While I agree the kids should get nailed, you can't hold parents responsible for everything these independent beings do when they are not with the parents.
In a prior age, this would be like them going around *saying* they saw the assistant principle kissing another female. Would we hold the parents financially responsible for that? No way.
And they are absolutely subject to libel laws just like anyone else who knowingly publishes falsehoods without clearly noting it as parody in some fashion.
Sorry, Guess I'm influenced unduly by the pictures of people jumping to their death from burning buildings. Most of the people there were captured on the battle field or under suspicious circumstances. I don't trust the president 100%- not even 75%. But I do not believe that the military picked up a bunch of people from neutral locations and through them into Gitmo. I do believe most of them would slit my throat if I tried to help them and they would happily burn my daughter to death or behead her.
As a result, I'm just a "wee" bit more tolerant of the president and his men being a bit overboard against them.
I'm also a "wee" bit concerned about the president sliding into a fascist corporate dictator state.
They are competing priorities and i have to balance them on an ongoing basis.
My twin 19" CRT's are angled so the gap between them varies from 2" at the bottom to almost 4" at the top.
Never really even notice it unless I actually have text or something like your musical score. The windows metaphor makes it easy to split things between the two.
Any discussion inside university walls is probably pretty tainted by hard left / "America is uniquely bad in the entire world" type attitudes.
The situation was complex as this wiki excerpt indicates: The most widely reported examples of espionage and treason are the Tachibana spy ring and the "Niihau incident." The Tachibana spy ring was a group of Japanese nationals who were arrested shortly before the Pearl Harbor attack and were deported.[citation needed] The "Niihau incident" occurred just after the Pearl Harbor attack, two Japanese Americans on Niihau freed a captured Japanese pilot and assisted him in his machine-gun attack on Native Hawaiians there.[22]
Some present-day supporters of the internment have argued that some Japanese Americans were indeed disloyal, as seen by the approximately 20,000 Japanese Americans in Japan at the start of the war who joined the Japanese war effort, hundreds joining the Japanese Army.[citation needed] One particular example is Tomoya Kawakita, an American citizen who worked as an interpreter and a POW guard for the Japanese army, and who actively participated in the torture (and at least one death) of American soldiers, including survivors of the Bataan Death March. Kawakita was convicted for treason and imprisoned.
Critics of this viewpoint note that it seems unlikely that Japanese Americans in Japan had any choice other than to be conscripted into the Japanese army, given (1) that it was near-impossible for them to return to the U.S. from Japan, and (2) that the United States had already classified all people of Japanese ancestry as "enemy aliens."
The same article reports 120,000 immigrants of european descent were interned as well.
We were at war and had been suprise attacked by Japan. It was hard to trust japanese like Issei who were not integrated with the US yet and couldn't speak english yet. In war, situations get simplified. We can afford to be complex about them later.
Agreed, we were shits to them. We were shits to the native americans. yada yada yada.
The point is, do we see the first signs of China being confident to look at itself in the mirror?
And man do we have a lot of mirror looking to do when this "war" on terror is resolved.
I've been on juries and a lot of good *citizens* go down and do their duty and take it *very* seriously. Tho one time we did have trouble convincing one juror that it was *innocent until PROVEN guilty* and not the reverse.
If you are ever arrested, I hope all the qualified people are not too stupid to avoid your jury trial.
While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum.
However, on his dancing around the torture issue, it is clear that we are torturing people somewhere in the world if not there. As an *American* that really pisses me off- we are supposed to the be the shining light on the hill.
Likewise, there is *pretty clear* evidence that a lot of innocent people got swept up in guantanamo (up to 10%) and their lives have been destroyed and when they got out they *reported* being tortured and observing torture. Yes 90% are probably scum bags but police and other people with authority regularly put innocent people to death because their bias is exactly 100% reversed from what it should be. It should be "We don't want to destroy even one innocent person" instead of "We don't want even one guilty person to get away".
We probably *are* kissing their asses and giving them qurans when we are not torturing them. Which is sort of twisted when you think about it. Oh yea- and there is not another country on earth outside of maybe iceland and canada? that hasn't done the same or worse to their own secret prisoners.
I don't have enough room on Dual 19" monitors to run at full speed when using WSAD/Eclipse.
And I used to be on a single 17"!
I can open more perspectives directly- have a *full* code window (can you even believe they would put you in an environment you can't read all the code on an 80 character line without scrolling?)
Now I need a 3rd monitor to have the browser with web app in.
Wine will work fine.. and then not work fine. The game will play well... and then run at 15fps or at double speed. Every patch and upgrade is a crapshoot on whether it somehow broke wine.
Nope- not ready for prime time as of earlier this year. WISH IT WAS tho!
And thanks for the suggestion! I'll probably give it another look next march.
I feel IE works for vendors, merchants, hackers, etc. against me.
I feel other browsers are my tool.
That's why I use firefox.
Microsoft really has gotten in bed with other merchants so much that I just don't trust them.
Oh.. and there is also the relative lack of virus's and attacks on firefox.
Plus... it will work still when I switch to linux finally. I have a long term goal of switching all my applications to ones that work anywhere so I won't be tied to windows. Obviously- Everquest isn't on that list but it's really the only thing keeping me on windows now.
If you had complained they could have sued you in another bloody state than the one you lived in or made the comments from, sent notice they were suing you to the OLD address on file, and then gotten a monstrous judgement against you since you didn't appear in court.
Anonymous negative feedback about a merchant could just as easily be from a competitor. Anonymous positive feedback about a merchant could just as easily be from the merchant.
Only when we can tie the feedback to a real person who someone out there can verify was a legitemate customer does the feedback have any value.
The reason we originally liked cream and eggs was because they were food that had something we needed in them.
I'll agree that for some they may not even be healthy food (cholesterol and all that) but you don't see old recipes that say "add 1 table spoon of white paint for color."
We have certain clues that let us know food is good- beef doesn't smell bad and it is red. When they use carbon monoxide to turn it red after it has gone bad, we eat things that are not good for us.
When we see a nice fluffy frosting- you assume that it has eggs and sugar, not white paint pigment.
Compared to titanium dioxide, cream and eggs *ARE* composed of special food atoms. There are a lot of trace things that made a cake cooked in the 1900's more nutritious than the mass of chemicals that taste and look basically the same today.
I believe that a lot of the diseases we suffer from today in america are basically just nutritional issues because so much of our food isn't really food any more.
Even the eggs and cream we buy are not the same- the cream is typically heated over 300 degrees (which destroys a lot of the good things in it). This destroys a lot of fragile things we would have eaten cream for in the past. Our cells need these things to function properly.
Given enough time- we'll probably adapt to the fake foods as long as they have some kind of calories to run on.
And... when every vegetable you buy is like that? I mean the last I read on commercially grown broccoli was that it was almost pointless for minerals. The soil just doesn't have anything left to give any more (not really a genetic issue- I agree- it's really soil depletion).
Likewise "grain fed" beef and chicken pushed as great wonders are comparatively low in things we need because they don't eat the usual assortment of things they used to out on the range. They used to concentrate a lot of trace nutrients into the meat- now they just concentrate the nothing in the grain into relatively empty meat.
Real food is expensive- and the benefits are unproven and subtle. And maybe it's better to just take supplements anyway-- but most people don't do that. So we get obesity, diabetes, low sperm count, etc. But as long as they "feel okay", they ignore what they are doing to themselves.
They'll panic over something silly but happily give up 10 years of healthy life without a second thought.
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Are you completely incapble of holding in your head two facts at the same time?
* some of the people in gitmo are innocent. I'd even grant up to 10% (as I did in the parent post).
* MOST of the people in gitmo were educated from childhood that I'm not human and they would celebrate at finding any way to kill me or hearing someone else had killed me. This repeats what i said in my parent post. Do you have trouble parsing that I equated "most" to 90% in the original post? It was basic english. Perhaps you got so mad at the first couple sentences that you failed to read the rest of the post?
Do you seriously believe that the vast majority of people in gitmo were picked up while shopping or doing innocuous activities and are completely innocent?
Until the saudi's and others stop educating their 7 year olds that we are not human and deserve to die this is going to continue to be a problem. They have no moral restraint with regard to killing us because it was never put in them in the first place. This has nothing to do with all the nasty shit america and others have done. We (and everyone else) have done lots of nasty shit to everyone- but we don't educate our children from birth to kill other people. But certain right wing xtian groups are starting to do that now and it's scary.
Keep living in that dream world.
The reality is there are millions of people (including millions of children) out there who would celebrate in the streets at your or my painful deaths.
Good points. I don't completely agree since, for example, i see posting here on slashdot more akin to talking than "publishing". But I'll grant your point so I can conclude from it that:
.000001% of students do something like this- it's not like the lack of a gated fence around a pool.
Unless the parents knew about or helped them produce the newsletters (on their mimeo machine in the basement) they are not responsible. You can't be responsible for things that haven't happened yet and are not predictable. Under
I can't see how the parents will be held accountable other than arbitrarily unless it is shown that they had some way of knowing or actively supported the production of the myspace pages.
While I agree the kids should get nailed, you can't hold parents responsible for everything these independent beings do when they are not with the parents.
In a prior age, this would be like them going around *saying* they saw the assistant principle kissing another female. Would we hold the parents financially responsible for that? No way.
And they are absolutely subject to libel laws just like anyone else who knowingly publishes falsehoods without clearly noting it as parody in some fashion.
Sorry,
Guess I'm influenced unduly by the pictures of people jumping to their death from burning buildings.
Most of the people there were captured on the battle field or under suspicious circumstances.
I don't trust the president 100%- not even 75%. But I do not believe that the military picked up a bunch of people from neutral locations and through them into Gitmo. I do believe most of them would slit my throat if I tried to help them and they would happily burn my daughter to death or behead her.
As a result, I'm just a "wee" bit more tolerant of the president and his men being a bit overboard against them.
I'm also a "wee" bit concerned about the president sliding into a fascist corporate dictator state.
They are competing priorities and i have to balance them on an ongoing basis.
My twin 19" CRT's are angled so the gap between them varies from 2" at the bottom to almost 4" at the top.
Never really even notice it unless I actually have text or something like your musical score. The windows metaphor makes it easy to split things between the two.
God, having been on juries I would *SO* take a jury over a judge eight days a week.
You get the wrong judge- you are screwed. At the least get a good lawyer who can let you know if your judge is a hanging judge or not.
I'm really proud to hear about your behavior. You did the right thing.
Fox news tilts right.
CNN tilts left.
Both are bastions of journalistic virtue and integrity compared to propaganda seen in China and the old USSR.
The AC reminds me more of creationists personally.
Great analysis by the first reply btw.
Any discussion inside university walls is probably pretty tainted by hard left / "America is uniquely bad in the entire world" type attitudes.
The situation was complex as this wiki excerpt indicates:
The most widely reported examples of espionage and treason are the Tachibana spy ring and the "Niihau incident." The Tachibana spy ring was a group of Japanese nationals who were arrested shortly before the Pearl Harbor attack and were deported.[citation needed] The "Niihau incident" occurred just after the Pearl Harbor attack, two Japanese Americans on Niihau freed a captured Japanese pilot and assisted him in his machine-gun attack on Native Hawaiians there.[22]
Some present-day supporters of the internment have argued that some Japanese Americans were indeed disloyal, as seen by the approximately 20,000 Japanese Americans in Japan at the start of the war who joined the Japanese war effort, hundreds joining the Japanese Army.[citation needed] One particular example is Tomoya Kawakita, an American citizen who worked as an interpreter and a POW guard for the Japanese army, and who actively participated in the torture (and at least one death) of American soldiers, including survivors of the Bataan Death March. Kawakita was convicted for treason and imprisoned.
Critics of this viewpoint note that it seems unlikely that Japanese Americans in Japan had any choice other than to be conscripted into the Japanese army, given (1) that it was near-impossible for them to return to the U.S. from Japan, and (2) that the United States had already classified all people of Japanese ancestry as "enemy aliens."
The same article reports 120,000 immigrants of european descent were interned as well.
We were at war and had been suprise attacked by Japan. It was hard to trust japanese like Issei who were not integrated with the US yet and couldn't speak english yet. In war, situations get simplified. We can afford to be complex about them later.
Agreed, we were shits to them. We were shits to the native americans. yada yada yada.
The point is, do we see the first signs of China being confident to look at itself in the mirror?
And man do we have a lot of mirror looking to do when this "war" on terror is resolved.
I've been on juries and a lot of good *citizens* go down and do their duty and take it *very* seriously. Tho one time we did have trouble convincing one juror that it was *innocent until PROVEN guilty* and not the reverse.
If you are ever arrested, I hope all the qualified people are not too stupid to avoid your jury trial.
Oh please.
While I didn't vote for Bush, I'm fairly conservative, against terrorism, agree many of the people there are scum.
However, on his dancing around the torture issue, it is clear that we are torturing people somewhere in the world if not there. As an *American* that really pisses me off- we are supposed to the be the shining light on the hill.
Likewise, there is *pretty clear* evidence that a lot of innocent people got swept up in guantanamo (up to 10%) and their lives have been destroyed and when they got out they *reported* being tortured and observing torture. Yes 90% are probably scum bags but police and other people with authority regularly put innocent people to death because their bias is exactly 100% reversed from what it should be. It should be "We don't want to destroy even one innocent person" instead of "We don't want even one guilty person to get away".
We probably *are* kissing their asses and giving them qurans when we are not torturing them. Which is sort of twisted when you think about it. Oh yea- and there is not another country on earth outside of maybe iceland and canada? that hasn't done the same or worse to their own secret prisoners.
I don't have enough room on Dual 19" monitors to run at full speed when using WSAD/Eclipse.
And I used to be on a single 17"!
I can open more perspectives directly- have a *full* code window (can you even believe they would put you in an environment you can't read all the code on an 80 character line without scrolling?)
Now I need a 3rd monitor to have the browser with web app in.
Thought they couldn't stop you but could only react afterwards.
Interesting that they are doing this to a video game- not sure it will be constitutional.
"We want you to provide copies of your newspaper daily before you go to press so we can approve or disapprove it."
We have our kent state, lynchings, etc. in the US.
Perhaps they can start talking about tienamen square maturely instead of pretending it didn't happen.
Based on *my* last experience, I wouldn't call it fully functional. I'm in a raiding guild and I need it to work 100% right after any patch.
I will try again but going to be busy until the end of January with various holidays and vacations.
Wine will work fine.. and then not work fine.
The game will play well... and then run at 15fps or at double speed.
Every patch and upgrade is a crapshoot on whether it somehow broke wine.
Nope- not ready for prime time as of earlier this year.
WISH IT WAS tho!
And thanks for the suggestion! I'll probably give it another look next march.
A big black lady with a beard in white robes looks at you and says...
SOOOOOOO
YOU INFRINGED COPYRIGHT IN 2006!
YOU ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL!
(trap door opens.. flames shoot out).
I feel IE works for vendors, merchants, hackers, etc. against me.
I feel other browsers are my tool.
That's why I use firefox.
Microsoft really has gotten in bed with other merchants so much that I just don't trust them.
Oh.. and there is also the relative lack of virus's and attacks on firefox.
Plus... it will work still when I switch to linux finally.
I have a long term goal of switching all my applications to ones that work anywhere so I won't be tied to windows.
Obviously- Everquest isn't on that list but it's really the only thing keeping me on windows now.
So to equate it to the current case...
You got screwed.
If you had complained they could have sued you in another bloody state than the one you lived in or made the comments from, sent notice they were suing you to the OLD address on file, and then gotten a monstrous judgement against you since you didn't appear in court.
Anonymous negative feedback about a merchant could just as easily be from a competitor.
Anonymous positive feedback about a merchant could just as easily be from the merchant.
Only when we can tie the feedback to a real person who someone out there can verify was a legitemate customer does the feedback have any value.
The reason we originally liked cream and eggs was because they were food that had something we needed in them.
I'll agree that for some they may not even be healthy food (cholesterol and all that) but you don't see old recipes that say "add 1 table spoon of white paint for color."
We have certain clues that let us know food is good- beef doesn't smell bad and it is red. When they use carbon monoxide to turn it red after it has gone bad, we eat things that are not good for us.
When we see a nice fluffy frosting- you assume that it has eggs and sugar, not white paint pigment.
Compared to titanium dioxide, cream and eggs *ARE* composed of special food atoms. There are a lot of trace things that made a cake cooked in the 1900's more nutritious than the mass of chemicals that taste and look basically the same today.
I believe that a lot of the diseases we suffer from today in america are basically just nutritional issues because so much of our food isn't really food any more.
Even the eggs and cream we buy are not the same- the cream is typically heated over 300 degrees (which destroys a lot of the good things in it). This destroys a lot of fragile things we would have eaten cream for in the past. Our cells need these things to function properly.
Given enough time- we'll probably adapt to the fake foods as long as they have some kind of calories to run on.
I actually put my second computer in the space saved when I upgraded from a 21" CRT to a 20" LCD.
I'll grant that.
But it's not cream and eggs.
It's a pigment.
And... when every vegetable you buy is like that? I mean the last I read on commercially grown broccoli was that it was almost pointless for minerals. The soil just doesn't have anything left to give any more (not really a genetic issue- I agree- it's really soil depletion).
Likewise "grain fed" beef and chicken pushed as great wonders are comparatively low in things we need because they don't eat the usual assortment of things they used to out on the range. They used to concentrate a lot of trace nutrients into the meat- now they just concentrate the nothing in the grain into relatively empty meat.
Real food is expensive- and the benefits are unproven and subtle. And maybe it's better to just take supplements anyway-- but most people don't do that. So we get obesity, diabetes, low sperm count, etc. But as long as they "feel okay", they ignore what they are doing to themselves.
They'll panic over something silly but happily give up 10 years of healthy life without a second thought.