If you are allergic to peanuts, you don't expect to die from eating tomatos.
Genetically altered food may produce unexpected reactions like that.
I'm for all the experimentation personally- the problem is the *only* things being graded currently are shelf life and shipping stability. They need to measure the macro and micro nutrients from an heirloom vegetable grown in good soil and then measure the modified ones (genetically or by breeding) against that and force them to label their product appropriately.
Likewise, I have no problem with genetically altered things- if they are labeled and I can choose to save 30 cents buying them or pay the extra 30 cents and avoid them.
The problem is they are bribing the government so they don't have to label these things. They sell them as "real" and then pocket the difference while we get scurvy while from oranges that don't have any vitamin C in them.
so investors are going to put a lot of effort into making sure the government chooses things that make their investments pay off even up to the point of creating false data to support their investments.
Yea but for example-- efficiently farm raised salmon basically have none of the nutritional value that we eat salmon for in the first place.
Efficiency involves a lot of simplification and cutting out less important things like good omega 3 fatty oils and the real red color that comes from eating thousands of shellfish and replacing them with red dye.
The fresh, farm-raised salmon that shoppers buy also get their orange-red hue from eating the chemicals astaxanthin and canthaxanthin. Wild salmon are pink because they eat shrimp-like creatures called krill. But to achieve the same pink color, farmed salmon need chemicals, which are mixed with their feed. In the past couple of years, the European Union significantly reduced the level of such dyes that can be fed to salmon because of concerns that the dyes, at high levels, can affect people's eyesight.
Two years ago, in the U.S., Seattle law firm Smith & Lowney filed two class actions against grocers Kroger and Safeway in Washington and California, contending that they should disclose that their salmon are dyed pink. Both lawsuits got thrown out of court. However, Knoll Lowney, a partner at the law firm, says that the lawsuits raised enough public awareness that many grocers voluntarily use "color added" labels to their salmon.
interesting side note from the same article: Betty Crocker icing gets its bright white color not from natural cream and egg whites but from *titanium dioxide*, a mineral that is also used in house paints.
Miss Silbergeld, who was formerly a researcher with the National Institute of Neurological Diseases, discovered that Red No. 3 (which is being used in place of Red No, 2, a known carcinogen, and Red No. 40, a suspected carcinogen) interferes with certain forms of metabolism.
Miss Silbergeld said that just a small proportion of children may react adversely to the dye. ''However,'' she added, ''the reaction is genetically linked and appears to confirm the neurotoxicity of Red No. 3.'' On 'Natural' Cheese
If the oil touches it, some of it will come off in the oil.* If some of it comes off in the oil, some of it will be in food cooked in the oil. If it is in the food in the oil, we are going to absorb it.
*also interesting is the amount of Teflon that comes off in the food that we then consume and absorb with unknown but apparently not dramatic effects. I cook everything in plain steel or glass these days- it's really not hard to clean.
The fiber (basically cardboard) portion has been selected for to make a tomato that grows fast, is pest resistant, doesn't spoil, doesn't bruise, and basically has about 20% of the "good" stuff compared to a tomato that does spoil and bruise.
So... improvement is great- the question is what did they "improve"?
If they measured the nutrition provided by a natural tomato and scored these other tomatoes and provided a rating, then the growers would improve nutrition. Currently they are only being scored on pest resistance, resistance to shipping damage, and shelf life.
What you are eating that looks like a tomato, isn't really a tomato- it's really a mass of colored cardboard.
This extends to all food items. They are masses of odd substances that are cheaper than the real thing but produce a similar look and feel. They are not always toxic but they don't have any nutritional value.
So when we start scoring food based on the "good stuff" that matters- improvement will be beneficial to us.
That means we will be eating nano-particles of zeolite coated with an "undisclosed" material in our food and excreting what we don't absorb into our bodies* into the environment.
* and if it stops hydrocarbon reactions in oil, what is it going to do inside our bodies?
Interesting anti-spamhaus rant here.... Apparently, even if you *want* certain emails, you can have a hard time receiving them. Perhaps spamhaus has transformed from something nice (when it was small) to something not so nice (now that it has a large staff).
Well... as long as no one from the US sends them money, they are probably home free.
OTH, if US ISP's send them millions of dollars (as reported on some news sites), then I'm betting those fees can be confiscated before leaving the country in the future to cover fines.
Of course the ISP's would stop sending the money at that point most likely but also probably won't be allowed to use Spamhaus unless they do send that money.
And yes, Spamhaus is a a non-profit corporation, yes, but it pulls in millions and millions of dollars a year from internet providers in PROFIT which is paid out to the executives every year.
It sounds like united states ISP's may pay them money- which could be confiscated to cover fines.
EU courts... EU Companies complaining... A certain giant convicted US monopolist selling to customers in the EU market cutting out those EU companies.
I'm sure the US courts can take any dollars from US customers to satisfy fines even if they can't enforce their ruling in the rest of the world. The RBL can withhold service from american customers-- but doesn't want to because of the profits involved.
I have windows XP and a $19 dlink router (and a lynksys before that) and I have had *zero* problems in 24 months.
So okay- a naked machine may have an issue but this is really a non-issue if you spend an extra 20 bucks for an inexpensive router with a built in firewall.
That were considered so dangerous that they were banned at times. Longbows took years of training and thus were in limited supply. With the crossbow, anyone could fire a powerful shot fairly accurately with little training enabling armies of peasants to become WMD's.
I read somewhere back in the 90's that most people will sell out for only $10,000 if it is presented to them as actual hard (and presumably untracable) cash. This despite insisting they would never do so when it was merely theoretical.
Lost wallets get returned *with the money* every day.
The manager may have felt justified to steal the $500 laptop because the company worked him a lot of uncompensated overtime and didn't deliver on its promises to him. Not saying he's right- just saying people steal easier when they feel really it is a reckoning.
I bet people that new "bob" the vending guy wouldn't steal from him while people that don't have no problem stealing from the vending machine- since they've lost money to machines in the past and not gotten it back.
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I don't know... do toothpaste and tattoo ink compose a large part of your diet?
If you are allergic to peanuts, you don't expect to die from eating tomatos.
Genetically altered food may produce unexpected reactions like that.
I'm for all the experimentation personally- the problem is the *only* things being graded currently are shelf life and shipping stability. They need to measure the macro and micro nutrients from an heirloom vegetable grown in good soil and then measure the modified ones (genetically or by breeding) against that and force them to label their product appropriately.
Likewise, I have no problem with genetically altered things- if they are labeled and I can choose to save 30 cents buying them or pay the extra 30 cents and avoid them.
The problem is they are bribing the government so they don't have to label these things. They sell them as "real" and then pocket the difference while we get scurvy while from oranges that don't have any vitamin C in them.
I would say:
so investors are going to put a lot of effort into making sure the government chooses things that make their investments pay off even up to the point of creating false data to support their investments.
Yea but for example-- efficiently farm raised salmon basically have none of the nutritional value that we eat salmon for in the first place.
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Efficiency involves a lot of simplification and cutting out less important things like good omega 3 fatty oils and the real red color that comes from eating thousands of shellfish and replacing them with red dye.
From here: http://money.aol.com/bw/general/canvas3/_a/whats-
The fresh, farm-raised salmon that shoppers buy also get their orange-red hue from eating the chemicals astaxanthin and canthaxanthin. Wild salmon are pink because they eat shrimp-like creatures called krill. But to achieve the same pink color, farmed salmon need chemicals, which are mixed with their feed. In the past couple of years, the European Union significantly reduced the level of such dyes that can be fed to salmon because of concerns that the dyes, at high levels, can affect people's eyesight.
Two years ago, in the U.S., Seattle law firm Smith & Lowney filed two class actions against grocers Kroger and Safeway in Washington and California, contending that they should disclose that their salmon are dyed pink. Both lawsuits got thrown out of court. However, Knoll Lowney, a partner at the law firm, says that the lawsuits raised enough public awareness that many grocers voluntarily use "color added" labels to their salmon.
interesting side note from the same article:
Betty Crocker icing gets its bright white color not from natural cream and egg whites but from *titanium dioxide*, a mineral that is also used in house paints.
Also of note: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=he
Miss Silbergeld, who was formerly a researcher with the National Institute of Neurological Diseases, discovered that Red No. 3 (which is being used in place of Red No, 2, a known carcinogen, and Red No. 40, a suspected carcinogen) interferes with certain forms of metabolism.
Miss Silbergeld said that just a small proportion of children may react adversely to the dye. ''However,'' she added, ''the reaction is genetically linked and appears to confirm the neurotoxicity of Red No. 3.'' On 'Natural' Cheese
And of course: http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/healthy/self/fe
If it looks natural but isn't, don't eat it: Like some good-looking guys before you get to know...
and the point of what I'm saying is also in the same article:
If it's edible but has no nutrients, it's entertainment.
I don't think you are getting the point here.
Many vegetables bought out of their proper season are not providing you the *nutrition* that you would be eating them for.
If the fruits and vegetables don't have the vitamins and minerals they are supposed to have, then all they are is calories.
For all the *nutrition* they are providing, you might as well just be eating finely ground white flour.
If the oil touches it, some of it will come off in the oil.*
If some of it comes off in the oil, some of it will be in food cooked in the oil.
If it is in the food in the oil, we are going to absorb it.
*also interesting is the amount of Teflon that comes off in the food that we then consume and absorb with unknown but apparently not dramatic effects. I cook everything in plain steel or glass these days- it's really not hard to clean.
You may not get the behavior your desired but you always get the behavior you incent.
What unforeseen behavior will this tax create to avoid it?
Well.
Let's take tomatoes for an example.
The fiber (basically cardboard) portion has been selected for to make a tomato that grows fast, is pest resistant, doesn't spoil, doesn't bruise, and basically has about 20% of the "good" stuff compared to a tomato that does spoil and bruise.
So... improvement is great- the question is what did they "improve"?
If they measured the nutrition provided by a natural tomato and scored these other tomatoes and provided a rating, then the growers would improve nutrition. Currently they are only being scored on pest resistance, resistance to shipping damage, and shelf life.
What you are eating that looks like a tomato, isn't really a tomato- it's really a mass of colored cardboard.
This extends to all food items. They are masses of odd substances that are cheaper than the real thing but produce a similar look and feel. They are not always toxic but they don't have any nutritional value.
So when we start scoring food based on the "good stuff" that matters- improvement will be beneficial to us.
That means we will be eating nano-particles of zeolite coated with an "undisclosed" material in our food and excreting what we don't absorb into our bodies* into the environment.
* and if it stops hydrocarbon reactions in oil, what is it going to do inside our bodies?
You can usually sue the government if it gives you permission to sue it.
That's the way it works for some of the layers of government above me.
Interesting anti-spamhaus rant here....
Apparently, even if you *want* certain emails, you can have a hard time receiving them.
Perhaps spamhaus has transformed from something nice (when it was small) to something not so nice (now that it has a large staff).
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/spamhaus-rant.htm
Well... as long as no one from the US sends them money, they are probably home free.
OTH, if US ISP's send them millions of dollars (as reported on some news sites), then I'm betting those fees can be confiscated before leaving the country in the future to cover fines.
Of course the ISP's would stop sending the money at that point most likely but also probably won't be allowed to use Spamhaus unless they do send that money.
Hmm..
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On the other hand...
From here: (and elsewhere with a trivial search).
http://news.com.com/5208-7350-0.html?forumID=1&th
And yes, Spamhaus is a a non-profit corporation, yes, but it pulls in millions and millions of dollars a year from internet providers in PROFIT which is paid out to the executives every year.
It sounds like united states ISP's may pay them money- which could be confiscated to cover fines.
My mistake- wasn't aware they were a non-profit organization.
My point only would apply to a for profit organization.
This is totally goofy then. How can a judge restrict someone in *another* country from publishing a list that foreigners choose to look at?
I see no legal standing for this at all.
And could use one of the openDNS services. They are kinda decentralized and probably hard to sue/shut down.
Actually, I see this as direct corrolation to:
EU courts...
EU Companies complaining...
A certain giant convicted US monopolist selling to customers in the EU market cutting out those EU companies.
I'm sure the US courts can take any dollars from US customers to satisfy fines even if they can't enforce their ruling in the rest of the world. The RBL can withhold service from american customers-- but doesn't want to because of the profits involved.
Voluntary email blocking service to block emails from addresses selected by Spamhaus?
I mean- it seems to me, if I want to pay someone to filter emails for me, I should be free to do so.
I have windows XP and a $19 dlink router (and a lynksys before that) and I have had *zero* problems in 24 months.
So okay- a naked machine may have an issue but this is really a non-issue if you spend an extra 20 bucks for an inexpensive router with a built in firewall.
That were considered so dangerous that they were banned at times.
Longbows took years of training and thus were in limited supply.
With the crossbow, anyone could fire a powerful shot fairly accurately with little training enabling armies of peasants to become WMD's.
Based on the other recent post, many government employees browse pron and gambling sites and get infected with bots.
That would probably be a better vector.
Plus they might make a profit while doing it.
They also prevent use of concentrated large groups of troops against you.
And... who pays the taxes that pays the budget that pays for the ticket?
I read somewhere back in the 90's that most people will sell out for only $10,000 if it is presented to them as actual hard (and presumably untracable) cash. This despite insisting they would never do so when it was merely theoretical.
A lot of people are ethical.
Lost wallets get returned *with the money* every day.
The manager may have felt justified to steal the $500 laptop because the company worked him a lot of uncompensated overtime and didn't deliver on its promises to him. Not saying he's right- just saying people steal easier when they feel really it is a reckoning.
I bet people that new "bob" the vending guy wouldn't steal from him while people that don't have no problem stealing from the vending machine- since they've lost money to machines in the past and not gotten it back.
LoL.
So I'm going to be paying for an $1,800 ticket to fly someone to the states for punishment now.
By Grapthar's hammer. What a savings.