I don't think so. My understanding is that it uses java to enable macros.
If you turn off java, the entire program is tons faster and all you lose are macros.
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While I favor a limited copyright period and I am not a lawyer, I do not think anything in copyright law states preventing a work from becoming public domain is illegal.
Copyright law is an -extra protection-.
The government agrees to help prevent others from copying your works for a limited period of time. If you have some other way of preventing others from copying your work it is not illegal.
For example, I can put on a limited public performance of a song and prevent people from recording it. This happens all the time. If I have a private copy of that performance, the government does not require that I release that copy into public domain, even tho ithe government would protect my copyright.
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Even the most intensely DRM'd product can be copied to some extent-- by camcording it or by making an audio recording or by retranscribing it.
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We don't have a right to other people's creations. Even if we would enjoy them and even if they want too much money for them. We do have the right to choose other less expensive, less annoying forms of entertainment.
And I would prefer if people were honest and didn't use other people's creations without compensation before the creations passed into the public domain but they do.
I violently disagree with Riaa and with extension of the protected copyright period but I do think creators deserve to be compensated for creating.
It only makes sense if you say Thor == God == Yahwah == Allah == Shiva == Isis.
There are literally thousands of religions. Within christianity alone, there are creeds which say if you don't follow their way then you will not be saved.
If there is only one God 1) We can't know his motives-- he may have created us to find new ways to torture people- we certainly have a lot of torture in the world and it is a natural tendency of humans when given power over others. 2) Either he doesn't care who we pray to or we are all screwed except those who follow whatever the one random religion that is correct (or worse- we might have lost the one correct religion). 3) Many christian beliefs say our personality does not survive death- which MOST of us would view as death anyway! 4) Finally the wager doesn't address if there is any benefit to believing in god. It's possible... God doesn't care, God prefers rational people and only saves people who don't make the leap of faith, God only likes isrealites and their direct descendants, etc. etc.
Pascal's wager doesn't even work in its native setting. The hugonauts (sp) and the catholic church (and several other heretical variants) were killing each other while he was presuming the existence of a christian-like god who cares if you believe or not and will reward you with savior if you do.
Church goers tend to have a good social and financial support system.
There are real world benefits to being part of a group which lets you have fun, get sex easier, get jobs easier, and helps you out in times of misfortune.
I couldn't lie to such nice people and pretend I believe to get those benefits. But those who can do really well in a church environment. If you tell a religious lady you believe, you have a much better chance of a cheap meaningless affair than if you are honest and say you don't. B)
We may only have low level control of our body systems by using spooky things like prayer. No religion need be involved but the only access is via non-rational, non-logical modes of thought and conciousness.
A lot of eastern knowledge is wrapped in many layers of mysticism. It may be that you can only understand that knowledge if you think about it mystically. The problem is that people start to think the mystical thinking -is- the knowledge and a high percentage of that mysticism is really just useless hokem.
Science is about measuring data and drawing conclusions from those measurements.
In this case, it appears that having strangers pray for you has no effect.
The great thing about the scientific method is that the study can be repeated a few times- and we can mess with the variables in future trials.
Some "prayer" (the people who are praying) variables I can see are: Non-religious Particular religions Hours per day of prayer
So we could have a thousand atheists pray for sick catholics...muslims... etc. Then a thousand catholics pray for sick athiests... mormons...etc.
After the study is repeated enough times, we can determine with a high degree of confidence if prayer has any effect.
One study is just a start but could have been a fluke.
I'm glad they did the study...
I agree with you that often religious people only accept data that suits them-- but remember there are a lot of scientists who have "faith" in a particular scientific dogma who do the same thing.
This is the kind of DRM I could support
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If I read the article correctly...
I purchase the -right- to listen to a song.
Once purchased, I can replace it if I lose it.
Once purchased, I can listen to it on any new form of playback that comes along.
--- I doubt it will be supported since it undercuts the dream by the media creators that we pay every single time we play a song- and we rebuy it for each new playback device.
You know... at the heart of that is that -someone- has to sit and look at every nasty and horrific thing ever concieved of by the human mind and decide who can and cannot see it. You can't know it's a torture picture unless you see it. You can't know it is a bestiality picture unless you see it. You can't know it's a child porn picture unless you see it.
Talk about the job for your porn addict. And -- seriously -- that is the kind of person who would end up in that position within 5 to 10 years. Every monitoring group is eventually taken over by what it was supposed to monitor.
Indians really have an insanely hard work ethic right now. Their education system is like Japan was back in the early 80's-- thousands of high school students commit suicide each year. They don't have "A"'s "B"'s, etc. They have "#1, #2, #3" all the way down. So when they say "#1 to #31 on this test will get into the advanced program" that is exactly what they mean.
Indians had a large pool of -highly- educated talent at the start of this. Indians speak english (albeit with a heavy accent sometimes) as a primary language.
And even with all those benefits, actual savings from offshoring averaged only 15% when indian workers were making 10% of american wages. That is why the chinese and any other nation which doesn't use english as a primary language won't matter as much.
Right now- if you had a non-english speaking programmer working for the same wages as indians, you would not see the 15% savings you get from indians. They are suceeding because they really are a bargain. And like all bargains- the market is going to bid them up to fair wages.
--- From the other post here it sounds like they are burning out too- which makes sense- the ones contracting here were working 60 hours a week and when I asked them they said they were -on salary- with no bonus for the extra 20 hours. They made a fixed bid contract and were stuck regardless of what they had to do to complete the work.
I salute you in your choice. It's a brave one and true to the original reason for college- to improve yourself as a human being.
For most people who are just taking a degree so they can get a good job they have to consider:
1) How much is my pleasure in the field worth? 2) How much will a job in the field pay? 3) How much does the training for the field cost?
I used to love programming. Since Sarbanes Oxley, my enjoyment of the job has dropped with each suceeding year. I just got out of a meeting where we were told that we have a new procedure for projects which will had another 11 to 18 hours of paperwork and meetings.
As of today, our new manager is saying she is going to require this new 11 to 18 hour procedure even for -trivial- bugs (like "this sentence on the web page has an extra period- please remove it." or "This blue circle is 3 pixels off to the right- please fix it.")
I was lucky-- I got my degree when they were cheap back in the early 90's and I worked as a wage slave for a company that would pay even those cheap costs so I graduated debt free at the cost of extra time (since I was working full time).
I was lucky a second time-- I did get to program and solve bugs (which i love the best- nothing like that "AHA!" feeling) for a good decade before they ruined the job.
--- But back to your finishing comment-- why get a degree if it is easy.
That's exactly the point- your odds of getting a decent job with decent pay is roughly THE SAME or perhaps even better with the easy degree. Hell, you are -EVEN- more likely to get into programming going with the easy degree these days. So -why- take the hard degree which really teaches you the theory of programming, big O time, compiler design, etc. when you can get an easy business degree, with a ton less homework, take one programming course and boom you are a programmer with a degree that gives you a job even if you can't find programmer work.
If they can maintain 10% inflation, then it would take roughly 7 years for her salary to double to 24k U.S. However, as the article says an unknown portion of her compensation is in bonuses, trips, new cars, and other benefits. My "bonus" last year was about $160.
I have seen (and some part of one of the linked articles in this thread refers to) rates more like 20% referred to. At that rate, it would only take about 4 years to double. So even by those "optimistic" estimates, it will be 8 to 12 years before there is probably no savings for outsourcing.
That is a pretty brutal period for anyone trying to get an IT job with a huge student loan debt on their back. I tell everyone to avoid IT. My daughter went into business.
At 13.8 per cent, average salary hike will be the highest in India
By K. Sunil Thomas
Charu Malik is a quick learner. After finishing her master's at the Delhi School of Economics last June, the 22-year-old joined Pipal, a research firm in south Delhi, at an annual salary of Rs 4.8 lakh. If Charu thought she had landed a decent bundle, there were more, nicer, surprises in store--the company had two appraisals every year. This meant her salary went up by a whopping 40 per cent within six months, and that is not including the chunky bonus she got.... article continues...
--- When their wages reach 40 to 50% of US wages then the outsourcing will be less of an issue and -maybe- wages and job security will recover here in the States.
It is really sad to see them lying to us (and maybe even themselves) so blatantly.
Many of our outsourced positions now include outsourcing the project lead level as well.
The only thing that is going to save our jobs is higher wages overseas.
Why should you spend $50 grand and 4 years of your life to get a degree with NO FUTURE?!?
Sure if you are a genius- go for it. But if you are joe average "B" / low "A" type person- there are many easier degrees with better job prospects than IT. IT SUCKS.
No respect, no pay, no security, rampant age discrimination, constant retraining- and even then you have to be "lucky" to get experience at the hot new technology or you are out on your kiester in as little as 2-3 years.
Don't listen to the propaganda/lies that are suddenly being pushed over the last few months (in conjunction with the H1B issue oddly enough... HMMM!).
Lots of poeple can be hard workers. Not many people can be good manager types. Not many people can be hard workers for -LESS- than minimum wage when they are trying to pay back a $50 grand debt that they -CANNOT- declare bankruptcy to get out of when they get the shaft.
The problem is there are at least two more options.
1) I know the movie will be cheaper next sales season (as low as $5) so I watch one of the 137 hours of movies I have not watched yet and wait for the DVD to get cheaper.
2) I just disengage entirely from the movie. At $15.00, there are many movies which are not good enough to crowd out say.. everquest, playing ultimate, going skiing, going out dancing, watching a movie I already bought, watching something I Tivo'd, watching something I downloaded off the internet (Legal stuff like Star Wreck, Star Trek The New Voyages, Jib Jab stuff, etc.).
Studio entertainment is priced too high per hour. Just to make it clear--- if it was the BEST film in the world and they wanted a hundred bucks to see it, very few would see it. That is $50/hour for entertainment.
It's not just the theatres. It's the entire system.
It's BECAUSE Tom Cruise makes 20 million a picture and the director makes so much more and everyone down to the extras make so much more that movies are so expensive. An entire industry of leeches has built up around movies. There is absolutely no reason an extra should get more than minimum wage to stand around. And certainly no reason they should suddenly make an extra $100 to $500 to say short five word sentence.
There are many people making $100k+ incomes that used to make a lot less in relative dollars. Movie stars only made under a for many years.
In those days, it wasn't uncommon for a movie star to make $100k and yet star in 8 movies in one year. The result was movies were -cheap- and there were new movies every friday.
Likewise, kill the screwy deal where the theatres get 90% of the first week's sales if they are so stupid. They incent the studios incorrectly to make insta-hits instead of popular movies folks want to see a couple times.
The unremitting financial pressure these greedy stars, directors, studio types, etc. have put on the theatres are forcing them to engage in behavior that is actively driving me away.
And on top of all that-- WHAT'S WITH THE VOLUME THESE DAYS? I WENT TO EAR PLUGS 2 YEARS AGO AND NOW IT IS SO LOUD IT HURTS THROUGH THEM.
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I don't think so. My understanding is that it uses java to enable macros.
If you turn off java, the entire program is tons faster and all you lose are macros.
While I favor a limited copyright period and I am not a lawyer,
I do not think anything in copyright law states preventing a work from becoming public domain is illegal.
Copyright law is an -extra protection-.
The government agrees to help prevent others from copying your works for a limited period of time. If you have some other way of preventing others from copying your work it is not illegal.
For example, I can put on a limited public performance of a song and prevent people from recording it. This happens all the time. If I have a private copy of that performance, the government does not require that I release that copy into public domain, even tho ithe government would protect my copyright.
---
Even the most intensely DRM'd product can be copied to some extent-- by camcording it or by making an audio recording or by retranscribing it.
---
We don't have a right to other people's creations. Even if we would enjoy them and even if they want too much money for them. We do have the right to choose other less expensive, less annoying forms of entertainment.
I support DRM- not RIAA.
Riaa represents useless overhead on creators.
DRM represents a way for creators to sell their creations.
If everyone was honest, we wouldn't need locks on anything.
And I would prefer if people were honest and didn't use other people's creations without compensation before the creations passed into the public domain but they do.
I violently disagree with Riaa and with extension of the protected copyright period but I do think creators deserve to be compensated for creating.
If it makes you happier and harms no one else... then how could it be foolish.
Pascal's wager... .0001% you win. .9999% you lose.
It only makes sense if you say Thor == God == Yahwah == Allah == Shiva == Isis.
There are literally thousands of religions. Within christianity alone, there are creeds which say if you don't follow their way then you will not be saved.
If there is only one God
1) We can't know his motives-- he may have created us to find new ways to torture people- we certainly have a lot of torture in the world and it is a natural tendency of humans when given power over others.
2) Either he doesn't care who we pray to or we are all screwed except those who follow whatever the one random religion that is correct (or worse- we might have lost the one correct religion).
3) Many christian beliefs say our personality does not survive death- which MOST of us would view as death anyway!
4) Finally the wager doesn't address if there is any benefit to believing in god. It's possible... God doesn't care, God prefers rational people and only saves people who don't make the leap of faith, God only likes isrealites and their direct descendants, etc. etc.
Pascal's wager doesn't even work in its native setting. The hugonauts (sp) and the catholic church (and several other heretical variants) were killing each other while he was presuming the existence of a christian-like god who cares if you believe or not and will reward you with savior if you do.
Church goers tend to have a good social and financial support system.
There are real world benefits to being part of a group which lets you have fun, get sex easier, get jobs easier, and helps you out in times of misfortune.
I couldn't lie to such nice people and pretend I believe to get those benefits. But those who can do really well in a church environment. If you tell a religious lady you believe, you have a much better chance of a cheap meaningless affair than if you are honest and say you don't. B)
Except for this...
We may only have low level control of our body systems by using spooky things like prayer. No religion need be involved but the only access is via non-rational, non-logical modes of thought and conciousness.
A lot of eastern knowledge is wrapped in many layers of mysticism. It may be that you can only understand that knowledge if you think about it mystically. The problem is that people start to think the mystical thinking -is- the knowledge and a high percentage of that mysticism is really just useless hokem.
The point is to find the truth.
Science is not for or against religion.
Science is about measuring data and drawing conclusions from those measurements.
In this case, it appears that having strangers pray for you has no effect.
The great thing about the scientific method is that the study can be repeated a few times- and we can mess with the variables in future trials.
Some "prayer" (the people who are praying) variables I can see are:
Non-religious
Particular religions
Hours per day of prayer
So we could have a thousand atheists pray for sick catholics...muslims... etc.
Then a thousand catholics pray for sick athiests... mormons...etc.
After the study is repeated enough times, we can determine with a high degree of confidence if prayer has any effect.
One study is just a start but could have been a fluke.
I'm glad they did the study...
I agree with you that often religious people only accept data that suits them-- but remember there are a lot of scientists who have "faith" in a particular scientific dogma who do the same thing.
If I read the article correctly...
I purchase the -right- to listen to a song.
Once purchased, I can replace it if I lose it.
Once purchased, I can listen to it on any new form of playback that comes along.
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I doubt it will be supported since it undercuts the dream by the media creators that we pay every single time we play a song- and we rebuy it for each new playback device.
Bankers
Microsoft
Sony
A 3 card montee dealer
A con artist
A convicted perjuror
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yes folks, in a recent survey, Sony was more trustworthy than 50% of the others considered....
Or to put it another way..
I DO NOT TRUST MICROSOFT.
I DO NOT TRUST SONY.
You know... at the heart of that is that -someone- has to sit and look at every nasty and horrific thing ever concieved of by the human mind and decide who can and cannot see it. You can't know it's a torture picture unless you see it. You can't know it is a bestiality picture unless you see it. You can't know it's a child porn picture unless you see it.
Talk about the job for your porn addict. And -- seriously -- that is the kind of person who would end up in that position within 5 to 10 years. Every monitoring group is eventually taken over by what it was supposed to monitor.
Good point!
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I hadn't considered that aspect.
Doing a little diggingl:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2002/04/01/st
in 2001 it was 49 rupee to the dollar.
http://www.blonnet.com/forex/usd.htm
It is now about 44.5 rupees to the dollar.
It looks like the Rupee is appreciating against the dollar long term.
What you say is true except:
Indians really have an insanely hard work ethic right now. Their education system is like Japan was back in the early 80's-- thousands of high school students commit suicide each year. They don't have "A"'s "B"'s, etc. They have "#1, #2, #3" all the way down. So when they say "#1 to #31 on this test will get into the advanced program" that is exactly what they mean.
Indians had a large pool of -highly- educated talent at the start of this.
Indians speak english (albeit with a heavy accent sometimes) as a primary language.
And even with all those benefits, actual savings from offshoring averaged only 15% when indian workers were making 10% of american wages. That is why the chinese and any other nation which doesn't use english as a primary language won't matter as much.
Right now- if you had a non-english speaking programmer working for the same wages as indians, you would not see the 15% savings you get from indians. They are suceeding because they really are a bargain. And like all bargains- the market is going to bid them up to fair wages.
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From the other post here it sounds like they are burning out too- which makes sense- the ones contracting here were working 60 hours a week and when I asked them they said they were -on salary- with no bonus for the extra 20 hours. They made a fixed bid contract and were stuck regardless of what they had to do to complete the work.
I salute you in your choice. It's a brave one and true to the original reason for college- to improve yourself as a human being.
For most people who are just taking a degree so they can get a good job they have to consider:
1) How much is my pleasure in the field worth?
2) How much will a job in the field pay?
3) How much does the training for the field cost?
I used to love programming. Since Sarbanes Oxley, my enjoyment of the job has dropped with each suceeding year. I just got out of a meeting where we were told that we have a new procedure for projects which will had another 11 to 18 hours of paperwork and meetings.
As of today, our new manager is saying she is going to require this new 11 to 18 hour procedure even for -trivial- bugs (like "this sentence on the web page has an extra period- please remove it." or "This blue circle is 3 pixels off to the right- please fix it.")
I was lucky-- I got my degree when they were cheap back in the early 90's and I worked as a wage slave for a company that would pay even those cheap costs so I graduated debt free at the cost of extra time (since I was working full time).
I was lucky a second time-- I did get to program and solve bugs (which i love the best- nothing like that "AHA!" feeling) for a good decade before they ruined the job.
---
But back to your finishing comment-- why get a degree if it is easy.
That's exactly the point- your odds of getting a decent job with decent pay is roughly THE SAME or perhaps even better with the easy degree. Hell, you are -EVEN- more likely to get into programming going with the easy degree these days. So -why- take the hard degree which really teaches you the theory of programming, big O time, compiler design, etc. when you can get an easy business degree, with a ton less homework, take one programming course and boom you are a programmer with a degree that gives you a job even if you can't find programmer work.
Of course... tho I'm struck by the irony of the way both responses to your post start.
B)
I almost posted a "jinx!" post to the other poster!
Hey! that's actually sort of an optomistic thought.
Not only will they have inflation but the rupee will strengthen against the dollar!
Might be closer to the 8 year end of my estimate than the 12 year end!
I am awed by the brilliance and courage of your anonymous yet somehow poignant statement.
Let's see...
I contributed the the conversation.
I recognized my lack of knowledge and thanked the person for enlightening me.
Nope- nothing wrong with either of those steps.
Hope you enjoyed your pointless, yet cowardly flame however.
He misread your sarcasm flag.
He thought you actually meant it instead of getting that you were being sarcastic.
B)
Excellent!
Learned something new today.
If they can maintain 10% inflation, then it would take roughly 7 years for her salary to double to 24k U.S. However, as the article says an unknown portion of her compensation is in bonuses, trips, new cars, and other benefits. My "bonus" last year was about $160.
I have seen (and some part of one of the linked articles in this thread refers to) rates more like 20% referred to. At that rate, it would only take about 4 years to double. So even by those "optimistic" estimates, it will be 8 to 12 years before there is probably no savings for outsourcing.
That is a pretty brutal period for anyone trying to get an IT job with a huge student loan debt on their back. I tell everyone to avoid IT. My daughter went into business.
I really don't think you understand what Aspergers syndrome is.
Read here.
www.cureautismnow.org
Yes practicing and therapy helps. But to some extent thinking a person with this can do as well socially as a person without it is unreasonable.
Here's one easy to google for.
i cle10.htm
... article continues...
Search for "Lakh inflation salary programmer".
Lakh is one of the currencies in india (about the same as our dollar?).
http://www.the-week.com/25dec04/currentevents_art
At 13.8 per cent, average salary hike will be the highest in India
By K. Sunil Thomas
Charu Malik is a quick learner. After finishing her master's at the Delhi School of Economics last June, the 22-year-old joined Pipal, a research firm in south Delhi, at an annual salary of Rs 4.8 lakh. If Charu thought she had landed a decent bundle, there were more, nicer, surprises in store--the company had two appraisals every year. This meant her salary went up by a whopping 40 per cent within six months, and that is not including the chunky bonus she got.
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When their wages reach 40 to 50% of US wages then the outsourcing will be less of an issue and -maybe- wages and job security will recover here in the States.
That we are -ALL- going to be managers.
It is really sad to see them lying to us (and maybe even themselves) so blatantly.
Many of our outsourced positions now include outsourcing the project lead level as well.
The only thing that is going to save our jobs is higher wages overseas.
Why should you spend $50 grand and 4 years of your life to get a degree with NO FUTURE?!?
Sure if you are a genius- go for it. But if you are joe average "B" / low "A" type person- there are many easier degrees with better job prospects than IT. IT SUCKS.
No respect, no pay, no security, rampant age discrimination, constant retraining- and even then you have to be "lucky" to get experience at the hot new technology or you are out on your kiester in as little as 2-3 years.
Don't listen to the propaganda/lies that are suddenly being pushed over the last few months (in conjunction with the H1B issue oddly enough... HMMM!).
Lots of poeple can be hard workers.
Not many people can be good manager types.
Not many people can be hard workers for -LESS- than minimum wage when they are trying to pay back a $50 grand debt that they -CANNOT- declare bankruptcy to get out of when they get the shaft.
The problem is there are at least two more options.
1) I know the movie will be cheaper next sales season (as low as $5) so I watch one of the 137 hours of movies I have not watched yet and wait for the DVD to get cheaper.
2) I just disengage entirely from the movie. At $15.00, there are many movies which are not good enough to crowd out say.. everquest, playing ultimate, going skiing, going out dancing, watching a movie I already bought, watching something I Tivo'd, watching something I downloaded off the internet (Legal stuff like Star Wreck, Star Trek The New Voyages, Jib Jab stuff, etc.).
Studio entertainment is priced too high per hour.
Just to make it clear--- if it was the BEST film in the world and they wanted a hundred bucks to see it, very few would see it. That is $50/hour for entertainment.
They have just about killed the golden goose.
It's not just the theatres. It's the entire system.
It's BECAUSE Tom Cruise makes 20 million a picture and the director makes so much more and everyone down to the extras make so much more that movies are so expensive. An entire industry of leeches has built up around movies. There is absolutely no reason an extra should get more than minimum wage to stand around. And certainly no reason they should suddenly make an extra $100 to $500 to say short five word sentence.
There are many people making $100k+ incomes that used to make a lot less in relative dollars. Movie stars only made under a for many years.
In those days, it wasn't uncommon for a movie star to make $100k and yet star in 8 movies in one year. The result was movies were -cheap- and there were new movies every friday.
Likewise, kill the screwy deal where the theatres get 90% of the first week's sales if they are so stupid. They incent the studios incorrectly to make insta-hits instead of popular movies folks want to see a couple times.
The unremitting financial pressure these greedy stars, directors, studio types, etc. have put on the theatres are forcing them to engage in behavior that is actively driving me away.
And on top of all that-- WHAT'S WITH THE VOLUME THESE DAYS? I WENT TO EAR PLUGS 2 YEARS AGO AND NOW IT IS SO LOUD IT HURTS THROUGH THEM.