"Configurability. Go work with windows 95 and even compare it with XP you will realize how much stuff you have taken for granted over the years."
Ya messed up, here. In 95 and such I could individually set all my hardware settings, down to the IRQ and DMA of other stuff, so I could fine-tune the system.
You can't do that, now. You're mainly stuck with what the hardware and software vendors give you.
Let's put it like this, I can get more usability out of Win95 than I can Vista or Windows 7 - how is this?
My soundcard would work as a dedicated guitar effects processor under 95/98/ME/2000/XP. That functionality was removed come Vista and 7, and even the newer line of cards doesn't come with that capability.
"Linux is tremendously easier to get up and running than Windows."
Wow, you must hang around knowledgeable computer people only - last time I got any regular people to install ANY flavor of Linux they couldn't get past setting a home and swap partition in Ubuntu.
Because I'm too lazy to fuck with the piece of shit trackpad that most laptops come with? Because sometimes the mouse refuses to work properly, or maybe the keyboard got something spilled on it and I'm out of warranty? How about for those of us with arthritis and bursitis, which can make clicking a button a massive pain where one could just touch the screen and be on their way?
You would do well to think a little further before you make such inane statements.
Why? BECAUSE WE CAN. BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE AND THERE ARE MORE USES THAN WHAT YOUR MIND ALONE CAN COME UP WITH.
Seriously - innovate or die off and make room for someone that can.
They'd have to prove that you changed the MAC address - And the only way to prove that against ISP logs went away when the unique processor serial number that started in the Pentium 3 line disappeared because of privacy concerns.
Breach of contract? Where's my signature? Where's my oral agreement? There is no audio agreement that plays when I insert a demo CD into my audio player. There is no EULA when I play it in its intended device.
Show me where that contract is, again, please? Show me where the money changed hands and legally bound me to a contract, in the case of Demo CDs. I have hundreds, mostly songs never released by artists. I never signed a contract or paid one cent - these were sent to me as promotional material. For promotion, the material must be disseminated and spread. How the hell am I to promote material if I can't let other people listen to it?
So much RIAA shit makes no sense whatsoever. "Yuo may not publicly broadcast this material" so why the fuck did you send me a Demo CD for PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES?
Wow, you're so ignorant about the fact of hydroponics that you are the one that needs a clue. Are you still working off of that 1938 study or what?
Fertilizer? Any ruminant's manure, which will have a decent nitrate content, will do the job just fine as an organic tea in hydroponics. Cost - nil.
Lights? Hydro gets done outdoors as well. Cost - zero.
Pumps? Not necessary for some hydroponics systems. Ebb and flow can be done totally manually, including water aeration before flooding. Cost - nil
Gravelite? Any washed and sterile and neutral rock will work as long as it's about marble-sized. Hell you could use cotton wadding if you needed. It's called soilless culture for a reason - no SOIL really required, just something for roots to hold onto. So the cost for using pebbles found on the ground - nil
"that comes to how many hundred thousand dollars per acre?"
Since you can use recycled materials (I have used old cat sand buckets and washed-out paint trays and paint buckets and pickle buckets from landfills and construction garbage piles and fast food restaurants,) the cost of those materials can be zero as well.
Actually, using hydroponics the land can be totally reclaimed. See, those salts in HIGH CONCENTRATION are bad. You take the soil and start adding tiny doses of it into a hydroponics reservoir, and the plants can slowly but surely process it or you can help remove the salts by getting it solved into the water. You need to use salt-tolerant plants, but it can be done over a period of time. Might take a century, but compared to how long it has already been since those lands were salted, a century isn't all that long to have more usable land for food.
"You can salt fields. The Romans did this thousands of years ago, and the areas they ravaged are, to this day, incapable of meaningful agriculture."
Ever hear of hydroponics? Back then they didn't know soil wasn't a requirement for plant growth. In fact the first published work on hydroponics didn't happen until the late 1600s. In this day and age, we can most certainly use that area for agriculture.
Seriously, there are some things you just can't teach online. Sure you can give a student a basic run-down but you can't guarantee success unless you're there to help guide them through the whole process and answer any immediate questions they may have.
You *MIGHT* be able to teach it online if done as a live video lecture. I don't see how you could do it any other way.
Okay, Mr. Smart Enough to Teach at College - just how the fuck do you expect to teach hands-on hydroponics classes with just a book? You need other things for a HANDS-ON CLASS, podcasts and books aren't going to hold one drop of water or support a plant.
This 'teacher' is suspect if he fails in such a simple step of logic.
"Oh yes, what great fun to play on servers where there is rampant cheating and the runners of the server give away all sorts of powerful stuff to themselves and friends."
Get honest people and start your own server. It's not that hard.
"Good for you. The whole point of bringing it up was to dispel the notion that you can play all PC games allow you to play online for free which is just false."
See above.
"Doubtful. There may be 1 or 2 but I've played plenty most of the free MMOs you will see listed on a site like MMORPG.com and they are overwhelmingly shit."
Note how you first say MMO then say MMORPG - I just talking the whole MMO genre, which is NOT limited to RPG games.
"Never made the claim so I have no clue what this is a response to."
It's not a response to anything - you're just looking for things to nitpick at. Were it a response to anything, it would have had it's own little quote before being mentioned.
"Did I ever say it was?"
You mention Korean gaming as a whole as a POS since you do not list specific games. You made a blanket statement that is grossly untrue. I just pointed out one example.
"Do you think I care that you pretend to be some sort of badass because you try to act nonconformist?"
No, I know you don't care, you're too busy being an elitist. I don't act like a noncomformist, either, quit assuming.
Let's break this own to the ORIGINAL QUOTE that started this mess:
"If you want to play any games from the last couple of years you would have spent at least 670 if not more on your PC."
In your own post here you use my site and find out you can build my system for about $440. And that's mid-range. A low-range system to play any games made within the past couple of years would cost LESS! 8800 graphics cards are still good! That old x2 4400 will do the trick! that 2GB of PC-4200 Works!
YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM, THE ONE I QUOTED, IS BLATANTLY FALSE. You can BUY A CURRENT DELL FOR LESS THAN $670 and run Crysis.
"That's no price I've paid or will pay. You're just inventing stuff out of thin air now."
No, I speak from actual business experience. Go run one for yourself sometime and you'll understand.
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No they don't. The 360 uses a 3 core Xenon PowerPC processor. The Cell processor is different architecture. Way to make yourself look stupid."
From the PS3 site: "PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz " From the 360 site: "IBM PowerPC-based CPU"
It's the Cell Architecture - go look at the damned SDKs.
"Huh? I don't get why you act like I have no PC. Just because I own a console doesn't mean I've never had a computer. I've been streaming movies from Netflix on my PC since it first started."
You're arguing 360 vs PC - you stick with your 360 and quit diverting by mentioning other hardware you own - it's YOUR 360 vs MY PC.
"That's great, but I also have 5 PCs so this claim that somehow I can never do anything that involves a PC is quite bizarre.
Your main argument, way up there, was pretty much hinting at entertainment value. Try beating a PC in the hands of someone that knows how to use it.
I have and do all the time. I've been doing PC gaming for 20+ years now. Just because I play console games doesn't exclude me from being able to play PC games. Again this makes for bizarre claims on your part.
You won't. Consoles are copying computers, nowdays. Might as well buy a computer!
I already own computers, multiples in fact, and have since some of the earliest PCs came out."
See above. Stick with your argument and quit detracting by mentioning other things.
Private servers. I don't pay for WoW (not that I'd even play it,) and there are tons of free MMOs out there that do not suck. And Graphics do not make the game.
And Maietz: Gunz is not a Korean POS. Do you even bother looking that deep into the gaming community or are you just a surface corporate player?
"You mean the overhead cost of having the thing paid to be shipped back to Microsoft to be fixed?"
No, the price you're going to have to pay later on for their next-gen system in order to recoup from the major losses this system has caused.
"So you never have to wait for things to be repaired or replaced when you have a PC? That's an amusing claim."
I can go pick up a part needed to fix my system in ten minutes or less and have it installed and running. Have fun waiting weeks for your replacement 360!
"You still don't get full compatibility for all PS2 games on PC emulators and those have been out for ages."
The only incompatible games are the new ones being released on the PS2 (Persona 4, for instance) and usually the only reason for that incompatibility is the BIOS revision one uses.
"There are tons of PS2 games that have little or no compatibility."
See above.
"So basically you spend more on the PC to emulate the PS3 than to just buy a PS3? Brilliant idea!"
By the time it works, the hardware required to run it will be cheaper than the system at initial launch. You don't think about time, do ya?
"Actually not it won't. The hardware of the two systems is drastically different in many cases."
BZZT. Both use IBM's Cell-based hardware. Better go re-check who has investments in which console.
"Because most gamers care about that? Oh wait, they don't."
Gamers care about entertainment value per dollar. I'm getting FAR more out of my second-hand or first-sourced stuff than you are with a next-gen console. You're just NOW getting stuff like Netflix and whatnot for your 360 - we've had it since it was out. The PC gets all the fun stuff, consoles just try to play catch-up and lock you into their stuff.
Your main argument, way up there, was pretty much hinting at entertainment value. Try beating a PC in the hands of someone that knows how to use it. You won't. Consoles are copying computers, nowdays. Might as well buy a computer!
If we're going that route, let's start checking the failure rate of the 360 versus failure rate of PC parts, and let's do a comparative overhead cost.
Oh, and for every game you pay to play online, the same PC version doesn't require such nonsense.
There's lots more to think about, we could keep this up all day. How about all that lost time waiting for your stuff to be repaired or replaced? There's the factor of convenience.
All around, a PC is the way to go. Hell, we're already working on emulating the PS3 and the 360, and PS2 and XBOX emulation is nearly rock solid. PS3 Emulation won't really be possible without an 8 core machine and some killer programming, but it could be done. 360 Emulation would require at least a quad-core, but since the 360 uses almost identical hardware that the PS3 uses emulating one should lead to emulating the other eventually, once the hardware itself is understood.
Give me a minute and let me reboot my computer into arcade mode so I can record you a video of something your 360 sure as hell can't do - let you program your own ultimate fighting game.
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It's posting as AC so I'm assuming shill off the bat.
Pricewatch.com
Newegg sucks.
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Newegg advertises on Pricewatch and has many prices consistently beaten down by other companies.
WINAMP was good but it also sucked - tooresource intensive
I was playing MP3 files on a 133MHz Cyrix using MP3Free while playing doom 2.
"Configurability. Go work with windows 95 and even compare it with XP you will realize how much stuff you have taken for granted over the years."
Ya messed up, here. In 95 and such I could individually set all my hardware settings, down to the IRQ and DMA of other stuff, so I could fine-tune the system.
You can't do that, now. You're mainly stuck with what the hardware and software vendors give you.
Let's put it like this, I can get more usability out of Win95 than I can Vista or Windows 7 - how is this?
My soundcard would work as a dedicated guitar effects processor under 95/98/ME/2000/XP. That functionality was removed come Vista and 7, and even the newer line of cards doesn't come with that capability.
"Linux is tremendously easier to get up and running than Windows."
Wow, you must hang around knowledgeable computer people only - last time I got any regular people to install ANY flavor of Linux they couldn't get past setting a home and swap partition in Ubuntu.
"Why do you need a touchscreen?"
Because I'm too lazy to fuck with the piece of shit trackpad that most laptops come with? Because sometimes the mouse refuses to work properly, or maybe the keyboard got something spilled on it and I'm out of warranty? How about for those of us with arthritis and bursitis, which can make clicking a button a massive pain where one could just touch the screen and be on their way?
You would do well to think a little further before you make such inane statements.
Why? BECAUSE WE CAN. BECAUSE IT CAN BE DONE AND THERE ARE MORE USES THAN WHAT YOUR MIND ALONE CAN COME UP WITH.
Seriously - innovate or die off and make room for someone that can.
They'd have to prove that you changed the MAC address - And the only way to prove that against ISP logs went away when the unique processor serial number that started in the Pentium 3 line disappeared because of privacy concerns.
Breach of contract? Where's my signature? Where's my oral agreement? There is no audio agreement that plays when I insert a demo CD into my audio player. There is no EULA when I play it in its intended device.
Show me where that contract is, again, please? Show me where the money changed hands and legally bound me to a contract, in the case of Demo CDs. I have hundreds, mostly songs never released by artists. I never signed a contract or paid one cent - these were sent to me as promotional material. For promotion, the material must be disseminated and spread. How the hell am I to promote material if I can't let other people listen to it?
So much RIAA shit makes no sense whatsoever. "Yuo may not publicly broadcast this material" so why the fuck did you send me a Demo CD for PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES?
Wow, you're so ignorant about the fact of hydroponics that you are the one that needs a clue. Are you still working off of that 1938 study or what?
Fertilizer? Any ruminant's manure, which will have a decent nitrate content, will do the job just fine as an organic tea in hydroponics. Cost - nil.
Lights? Hydro gets done outdoors as well. Cost - zero.
Pumps? Not necessary for some hydroponics systems. Ebb and flow can be done totally manually, including water aeration before flooding. Cost - nil
Gravelite? Any washed and sterile and neutral rock will work as long as it's about marble-sized. Hell you could use cotton wadding if you needed. It's called soilless culture for a reason - no SOIL really required, just something for roots to hold onto. So the cost for using pebbles found on the ground - nil
"that comes to how many hundred thousand dollars per acre?"
Since you can use recycled materials (I have used old cat sand buckets and washed-out paint trays and paint buckets and pickle buckets from landfills and construction garbage piles and fast food restaurants,) the cost of those materials can be zero as well.
In other words, it can cost absolutely jack shit.
Welcome to re-education.
Actually, using hydroponics the land can be totally reclaimed. See, those salts in HIGH CONCENTRATION are bad. You take the soil and start adding tiny doses of it into a hydroponics reservoir, and the plants can slowly but surely process it or you can help remove the salts by getting it solved into the water. You need to use salt-tolerant plants, but it can be done over a period of time. Might take a century, but compared to how long it has already been since those lands were salted, a century isn't all that long to have more usable land for food.
"In fact some of the best cost analyst in the world work for the government. Nice attempt to propagate that myth."
I point you to our national debt and look at you cock-eyed. What are you smoking? I'd sure as hell like some of it, please. How much for a gram?
"You can salt fields. The Romans did this thousands of years ago, and the areas they ravaged are, to this day, incapable of meaningful agriculture."
Ever hear of hydroponics? Back then they didn't know soil wasn't a requirement for plant growth. In fact the first published work on hydroponics didn't happen until the late 1600s. In this day and age, we can most certainly use that area for agriculture.
Why would a competent sysadmin even design a network hooked to the general internet to begin with if security is an absolute must?
Physical separation 100% is REQUIRED.
Good one!
Seriously, there are some things you just can't teach online. Sure you can give a student a basic run-down but you can't guarantee success unless you're there to help guide them through the whole process and answer any immediate questions they may have.
You *MIGHT* be able to teach it online if done as a live video lecture. I don't see how you could do it any other way.
No, I have it right. I've been through the system a few times, I should know. Go get yourself a few felonies and come back.
Okay, Mr. Smart Enough to Teach at College - just how the fuck do you expect to teach hands-on hydroponics classes with just a book? You need other things for a HANDS-ON CLASS, podcasts and books aren't going to hold one drop of water or support a plant.
This 'teacher' is suspect if he fails in such a simple step of logic.
Parole and probation are two entirely different things.
Parole is deferred sentence from prison.
Probation is issued after you have spent some time in prison.
As you fail to read my other comments which line up my $999 HP laptop vs the $999 White Macbook.
Go read and come back when you can not be a coward, yes?
"Oh yes, what great fun to play on servers where there is rampant cheating and the runners of the server give away all sorts of powerful stuff to themselves and friends."
Get honest people and start your own server. It's not that hard.
"Good for you. The whole point of bringing it up was to dispel the notion that you can play all PC games allow you to play online for free which is just false."
See above.
"Doubtful. There may be 1 or 2 but I've played plenty most of the free MMOs you will see listed on a site like MMORPG.com and they are overwhelmingly shit."
Note how you first say MMO then say MMORPG - I just talking the whole MMO genre, which is NOT limited to RPG games.
"Never made the claim so I have no clue what this is a response to."
It's not a response to anything - you're just looking for things to nitpick at. Were it a response to anything, it would have had it's own little quote before being mentioned.
"Did I ever say it was?"
You mention Korean gaming as a whole as a POS since you do not list specific games. You made a blanket statement that is grossly untrue. I just pointed out one example.
"Do you think I care that you pretend to be some sort of badass because you try to act nonconformist?"
No, I know you don't care, you're too busy being an elitist. I don't act like a noncomformist, either, quit assuming.
Let's break this own to the ORIGINAL QUOTE that started this mess:
"If you want to play any games from the last couple of years you would have spent at least 670 if not more on your PC."
In your own post here you use my site and find out you can build my system for about $440. And that's mid-range. A low-range system to play any games made within the past couple of years would cost LESS! 8800 graphics cards are still good! That old x2 4400 will do the trick! that 2GB of PC-4200 Works!
YOUR ORIGINAL CLAIM, THE ONE I QUOTED, IS BLATANTLY FALSE. You can BUY A CURRENT DELL FOR LESS THAN $670 and run Crysis.
Done! See this post here as I do a direct comparison of my $999 17" HP DV9825 versus the $999 13" Macbook - here you go
And that's WITHOUT software packages.
"That's no price I've paid or will pay. You're just inventing stuff out of thin air now."
No, I speak from actual business experience. Go run one for yourself sometime and you'll understand.
"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No they don't. The 360 uses a 3 core Xenon PowerPC processor. The Cell processor is different architecture. Way to make yourself look stupid."
From the PS3 site:
"PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz "
From the 360 site:
"IBM PowerPC-based CPU"
It's the Cell Architecture - go look at the damned SDKs.
"Huh? I don't get why you act like I have no PC. Just because I own a console doesn't mean I've never had a computer. I've been streaming movies from Netflix on my PC since it first started."
You're arguing 360 vs PC - you stick with your 360 and quit diverting by mentioning other hardware you own - it's YOUR 360 vs MY PC.
"That's great, but I also have 5 PCs so this claim that somehow I can never do anything that involves a PC is quite bizarre.
Your main argument, way up there, was pretty much hinting at entertainment value. Try beating a PC in the hands of someone that knows how to use it.
I have and do all the time. I've been doing PC gaming for 20+ years now. Just because I play console games doesn't exclude me from being able to play PC games. Again this makes for bizarre claims on your part.
You won't. Consoles are copying computers, nowdays. Might as well buy a computer!
I already own computers, multiples in fact, and have since some of the earliest PCs came out."
See above. Stick with your argument and quit detracting by mentioning other things.
Private servers. I don't pay for WoW (not that I'd even play it,) and there are tons of free MMOs out there that do not suck. And Graphics do not make the game.
And Maietz: Gunz is not a Korean POS. Do you even bother looking that deep into the gaming community or are you just a surface corporate player?
And you're not paying attention to CPU/Mobo/Memory combo deals, either.
"You mean the overhead cost of having the thing paid to be shipped back to Microsoft to be fixed?"
No, the price you're going to have to pay later on for their next-gen system in order to recoup from the major losses this system has caused.
"So you never have to wait for things to be repaired or replaced when you have a PC? That's an amusing claim."
I can go pick up a part needed to fix my system in ten minutes or less and have it installed and running. Have fun waiting weeks for your replacement 360!
"You still don't get full compatibility for all PS2 games on PC emulators and those have been out for ages."
The only incompatible games are the new ones being released on the PS2 (Persona 4, for instance) and usually the only reason for that incompatibility is the BIOS revision one uses.
"There are tons of PS2 games that have little or no compatibility."
See above.
"So basically you spend more on the PC to emulate the PS3 than to just buy a PS3? Brilliant idea!"
By the time it works, the hardware required to run it will be cheaper than the system at initial launch. You don't think about time, do ya?
"Actually not it won't. The hardware of the two systems is drastically different in many cases."
BZZT. Both use IBM's Cell-based hardware. Better go re-check who has investments in which console.
"Because most gamers care about that? Oh wait, they don't."
Gamers care about entertainment value per dollar. I'm getting FAR more out of my second-hand or first-sourced stuff than you are with a next-gen console. You're just NOW getting stuff like Netflix and whatnot for your 360 - we've had it since it was out. The PC gets all the fun stuff, consoles just try to play catch-up and lock you into their stuff.
Your main argument, way up there, was pretty much hinting at entertainment value. Try beating a PC in the hands of someone that knows how to use it. You won't. Consoles are copying computers, nowdays. Might as well buy a computer!
If we're going that route, let's start checking the failure rate of the 360 versus failure rate of PC parts, and let's do a comparative overhead cost.
Oh, and for every game you pay to play online, the same PC version doesn't require such nonsense.
There's lots more to think about, we could keep this up all day. How about all that lost time waiting for your stuff to be repaired or replaced? There's the factor of convenience.
All around, a PC is the way to go. Hell, we're already working on emulating the PS3 and the 360, and PS2 and XBOX emulation is nearly rock solid. PS3 Emulation won't really be possible without an 8 core machine and some killer programming, but it could be done. 360 Emulation would require at least a quad-core, but since the 360 uses almost identical hardware that the PS3 uses emulating one should lead to emulating the other eventually, once the hardware itself is understood.
Give me a minute and let me reboot my computer into arcade mode so I can record you a video of something your 360 sure as hell can't do - let you program your own ultimate fighting game.