"The Psystar assholes are trying to profit off of someone elses work, that is all there is to it. I hope they get their asses handed ot them for it."
Go get some glasses, because your vision is WAY off.
They're selling the service of installing OSX on non-apple hardware and they are the ones supporting it. With your purchase of support and the service you get a fully-licensed copy of OSX with a legal key, and a disc-image of the modified version on your system (and the OSX license grants you modification ability as long as you don't sell it. Apple claims copyright when it's clear Psystar isn't violating it and the judge sees it this way as well,) as a backup recovery disc.
Why this pisses Apple off is because this is going to eat the shit out of their hardware sales. Apple is a HARDWARE company, and that will most likely never change, they're too inflexible to TRULY innovate and think different and move outside the electronics industry.
You're so full of shit I'm just going to say this.
I've worked as both an Apple laptop repair tech and an HP laptop repair tech. HP hardware is better and CHEAPER, and what I paid for my DV9825 you'd pay nearly triple for in your little crapbook pro.
You get: 1. The actual licensed version of OSX 2. A copy of the MODIFIED version they installed on your computer, using that license (after sale you are free to modify.) It is not a copy of the original disc, it is essentially an IMAGE of the modified software installed on your system - A RESTORE DISC that happens to use that apple license YOU JUST BOUGHT WITH THE COMPUTER.
There's not one fucking thing wrong here except Apple's greed. Psystar is basically doing this - Modifying the software so you don't have to to get it to install on a non-apple piece of shit (That's my right if I buy the software, EULA be damned,) and giving you the entire machine, original OSX license and all, and they're supporting it.
Psystar is basically selling a service and performing support for that service for people who do not wish to deal with the hassle of trying to install OSX on non-apple hardware.
Considering all it takes is a USB EFI-drive to get OSX to install without modification on non-apple hardware, why do you think Psystar hasn't gone that way to cover their asses?
Because First Sale DOES apply and they're trying to set precedent. They paid for OSX, they have a right PER LICENSE to modify. They do not keep the license when they sell the machine, so no real loss happens of license revenue, and they offer the support. This is a full-out First Sale contest. If you're that unknowing of a fool to use some common sense and see the tactic, then you need to go spend more time dealing with unscrupulous people out in the streets - you'll learn very quickly to spot behavior patterns and identify the intent behind them, and they apply just as much to the corporate world as they do to the street world.
"Except if you bothered to do a fair comparison, Apple hardware isn't more expensive than a similarly-configured Dell."
What kind of crack are you smoking?
Build a mac specced to my laptop from HP.
1.83 GHz T5550 Dual-Core 4GB DDR2-800 512MB 8600GS that can be removed and upgraded (MXM Slot FTW) 4 USB 2.0 ports 1 Firewire 1600/3200 port S-video/Component/D-SUB VGA/HDMI video out 320GB SATAII HDD with a second hard drive bay for more space. Remote Control 6-in-1 card reader Built-in Webcam, stereo microphones 17" widescreen 1440x900 Expansion port Lightscribe DVD-RW
And that costs me only one grand with Vista Home Premium installed.
Go spec out your Mac with the EXACT same hardware. I will GUARANTEE you will *NOT* be able to for such a cheap price.
Apple has been cheap commodity hardware for a while, now. They use the exact same fucking hardware as everyone else does. It runs a fucking Intel processor, with DDR2 SODIMM RAM, same as my HP, except my HP has double the features and costs HALF the price, and it's quite easily upgradable.
Every program I've had issues with comes directly from the repository - some of these games have NEVER worked well (Scorched3D runs better under Windows than Linux and all required libraries are installed - it just crashes.) and some of the other programs just do not work.
Say I'm doing it wrong all you want - If the fucking software that shows up in the repository doesn't work, it doesn't work. This is after a full Kernel upgrade, Restricted Drivers upgrade, and updating all core libraries for all installed packages - IT STILL DOESN'T WORK.
I shouldn't have to compile it myself to get it working in 64-bit if it's already in the fucking repository - that DESTROYS the entire "Works out of the box" image they're trying to achieve.
PV has advanced far enough to make it work out as an excellent supplement to other NE like wind turbines. If we made a wind turbine out of carbon which has been doped to have non-conductive areas to create a power path we could just spray Nanosolar's stuff onto it. A great deal of the turbines out here in Southern California are facing east-west due to the winds and have loads of sun exposure because of their location atop hills. WHAM! You have two power sources in one convenient package, and since you could have lighter-weight blades they could be larger to capture a little more wind force and extra solar.
It's a total winning situation. Let Nanosolar's spray-on stuff get a little better in efficiency and a combo of PV/Wind in the same structure will be viable.
Gigabyte has decent boards, my old Athlon64 3000+ was rock-solid with it. Not a single hardware issue, and I sold it still working for nearly it's full original price.
I won't talk much about Foxconn. Their connectors are utter crap, and half of the stuff they ship out is counterfeit to begin with.
"There's not a single modern OS out there that doesn't support 64bit CPUs in some way, while still working perfectly fine with (99.9% of) 32bit Apps."
I just installed the 64-bit version of Ubuntu 8.10 three days ago. About 10% of the software that I've tried (mostly the free games) didn't work, while the 32-bit Ubuntu ran them all just fine.
So I have to disagree with your statement that I quoted. the 64-bit version of Ubuntu likely doesn't play very well with 32-bit programs.
I put every server option I could on before installation via LiveCD.
Try Parallels for installation.
Or, get a good-sized flash drive and just run Ubuntu from that. I've done it for all kinds of things, from a portable FTP server to a portable webserver installer.
Unfortunately, with about 5+ years of personal Linux experience behind me, I must say that RTFM is a bit more complicated. If some could bother translating it into shorter simpler terms I'd be willing to bet that Linux adoption would pick up at a rapid pace.
"I look forward to the time when windows is no longer a monopoly and so can start becoming a good OS."
Swap windows with Microsoft and it makes more sense, but I still totally agree. It's nice to see someone else that will hope for the monopoly to go away so real innovation and advances come into play, and Windows turns into something more useful than it is today.
"Yes, there's a few places there are merge lights, but if you look you will notice they are always placed a good distance back from the actual merge point to allow drivers to obey the law on merge speed."
You've never been to LA - merge lanes are about 50 feet, if that. Nowhere near enough room to get up to 65 MPH.
"2. If you've *ever* driven in ANY city anywhere in the world, you know as well as I do that it's impossible to maintain sufficient distance behind someone so that if they suddenly mashed their brakes to the floor you wouldn't hit them"
You're so astonishingly full of shit in this comment it's insane. Of course you can, you slow the hell down and FORCE that safe distance, If the asshole behind you hits you, that's their fucking fault for following too closely, and you just got a new car + damages + compensation for lost time/wages/personal suffering.
So here's your -1, can't think of the obvious city moderation, and another -1, totally unaware of traffic law and insurance-designed scheme moderation.
150 feet is NOT plenty of time. at 45 MPH that's just barely 3 seconds. You lose about a second in reaction time between human recognition/action and vehicle response, and those other two seconds ain't going to help you unless you're locking your brakes and have enough tire surface on the pavement.
250 feet minimum. Anything less is stupidity at 45MPH or higher.
Too bad nobody follows this because it would also make freeway merging and interstate driving easier with less traffic congestion.
If we're talking the USA here, that's fine, because a rear-end collision is ALWAYS the person in the back's fault for not watching the road ahead and maintaining control of their vehicle.
"Sure I'd love to help, but I'm a interaction guy, not a driver programmer. And if I was writing drivers, someone would surely kick my ass for doing it poorly."
I wish I had mod points, that's what damn-near everyone here fails to realize while they're busy going "Do it yourself." Some people just don't have the knack or aptitude to do it themselves.
Personally, I do better building physical things, not structuring code and making it work. I am hundreds of times better at taking raw materials that I can hold in my hands than I am working with a keyboard and bits.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet a large MAJORITY of people couldn't program even if they took classes and had a wonderful education, at least not complex stuff like drivers for an OS. I'll be willing to bet many programmers here couldn't wield a hammer or reciprocating saw in the same fashion a fair majority of people couldn't program.
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"The Psystar assholes are trying to profit off of someone elses work, that is all there is to it. I hope they get their asses handed ot them for it."
Go get some glasses, because your vision is WAY off.
They're selling the service of installing OSX on non-apple hardware and they are the ones supporting it. With your purchase of support and the service you get a fully-licensed copy of OSX with a legal key, and a disc-image of the modified version on your system (and the OSX license grants you modification ability as long as you don't sell it. Apple claims copyright when it's clear Psystar isn't violating it and the judge sees it this way as well,) as a backup recovery disc.
Why this pisses Apple off is because this is going to eat the shit out of their hardware sales. Apple is a HARDWARE company, and that will most likely never change, they're too inflexible to TRULY innovate and think different and move outside the electronics industry.
You're so full of shit I'm just going to say this.
I've worked as both an Apple laptop repair tech and an HP laptop repair tech. HP hardware is better and CHEAPER, and what I paid for my DV9825 you'd pay nearly triple for in your little crapbook pro.
Fanboi much?
WHAT ILLEGAL COPY?
You get:
1. The actual licensed version of OSX
2. A copy of the MODIFIED version they installed on your computer, using that license (after sale you are free to modify.) It is not a copy of the original disc, it is essentially an IMAGE of the modified software installed on your system - A RESTORE DISC that happens to use that apple license YOU JUST BOUGHT WITH THE COMPUTER.
There's not one fucking thing wrong here except Apple's greed. Psystar is basically doing this - Modifying the software so you don't have to to get it to install on a non-apple piece of shit (That's my right if I buy the software, EULA be damned,) and giving you the entire machine, original OSX license and all, and they're supporting it.
Psystar is basically selling a service and performing support for that service for people who do not wish to deal with the hassle of trying to install OSX on non-apple hardware.
Allow me to take advantage of your username.
Considering all it takes is a USB EFI-drive to get OSX to install without modification on non-apple hardware, why do you think Psystar hasn't gone that way to cover their asses?
Because First Sale DOES apply and they're trying to set precedent. They paid for OSX, they have a right PER LICENSE to modify. They do not keep the license when they sell the machine, so no real loss happens of license revenue, and they offer the support. This is a full-out First Sale contest. If you're that unknowing of a fool to use some common sense and see the tactic, then you need to go spend more time dealing with unscrupulous people out in the streets - you'll learn very quickly to spot behavior patterns and identify the intent behind them, and they apply just as much to the corporate world as they do to the street world.
"Except if you bothered to do a fair comparison, Apple hardware isn't more expensive than a similarly-configured Dell."
What kind of crack are you smoking?
Build a mac specced to my laptop from HP.
1.83 GHz T5550 Dual-Core
4GB DDR2-800
512MB 8600GS that can be removed and upgraded (MXM Slot FTW)
4 USB 2.0 ports
1 Firewire 1600/3200 port
S-video/Component/D-SUB VGA/HDMI video out
320GB SATAII HDD with a second hard drive bay for more space.
Remote Control
6-in-1 card reader
Built-in Webcam, stereo microphones
17" widescreen 1440x900
Expansion port
Lightscribe DVD-RW
And that costs me only one grand with Vista Home Premium installed.
Go spec out your Mac with the EXACT same hardware. I will GUARANTEE you will *NOT* be able to for such a cheap price.
You are a moron.
Apple has been cheap commodity hardware for a while, now. They use the exact same fucking hardware as everyone else does. It runs a fucking Intel processor, with DDR2 SODIMM RAM, same as my HP, except my HP has double the features and costs HALF the price, and it's quite easily upgradable.
Are you really that ignorant and stupid?
Every program I've had issues with comes directly from the repository - some of these games have NEVER worked well (Scorched3D runs better under Windows than Linux and all required libraries are installed - it just crashes.) and some of the other programs just do not work.
Say I'm doing it wrong all you want - If the fucking software that shows up in the repository doesn't work, it doesn't work. This is after a full Kernel upgrade, Restricted Drivers upgrade, and updating all core libraries for all installed packages - IT STILL DOESN'T WORK.
I shouldn't have to compile it myself to get it working in 64-bit if it's already in the fucking repository - that DESTROYS the entire "Works out of the box" image they're trying to achieve.
PV has advanced far enough to make it work out as an excellent supplement to other NE like wind turbines. If we made a wind turbine out of carbon which has been doped to have non-conductive areas to create a power path we could just spray Nanosolar's stuff onto it. A great deal of the turbines out here in Southern California are facing east-west due to the winds and have loads of sun exposure because of their location atop hills. WHAM! You have two power sources in one convenient package, and since you could have lighter-weight blades they could be larger to capture a little more wind force and extra solar.
It's a total winning situation. Let Nanosolar's spray-on stuff get a little better in efficiency and a combo of PV/Wind in the same structure will be viable.
Gigabyte has decent boards, my old Athlon64 3000+ was rock-solid with it. Not a single hardware issue, and I sold it still working for nearly it's full original price.
I won't talk much about Foxconn. Their connectors are utter crap, and half of the stuff they ship out is counterfeit to begin with.
Dude, there's 486 processors everywhere from cash registers to spacecraft and satellites. How much more capability do you need?
"There's not a single modern OS out there that doesn't support 64bit CPUs in some way, while still working perfectly fine with (99.9% of) 32bit Apps."
I just installed the 64-bit version of Ubuntu 8.10 three days ago. About 10% of the software that I've tried (mostly the free games) didn't work, while the 32-bit Ubuntu ran them all just fine.
So I have to disagree with your statement that I quoted. the 64-bit version of Ubuntu likely doesn't play very well with 32-bit programs.
The Over 9000 meme was funny because of the DragonBall Z manga. In Japane, it's over 8000, USA over 9000, in Finland I think it's over 5,000.
Pretty strange how they edit a power level for different countries.
You can take a regular Ubuntu LiveCD and while it's loaded you can access the internet and get everything needed, then hit install and go from there.
I put every server option I could on before installation via LiveCD.
Try Parallels for installation.
Or, get a good-sized flash drive and just run Ubuntu from that. I've done it for all kinds of things, from a portable FTP server to a portable webserver installer.
Did they overcome the RAM issue in BeOS? IIRC BeOS5 (last I tried and I think last version out) didn't see over 1GB of RAM.
Unfortunately, with about 5+ years of personal Linux experience behind me, I must say that RTFM is a bit more complicated. If some could bother translating it into shorter simpler terms I'd be willing to bet that Linux adoption would pick up at a rapid pace.
No, I installed Ubuntu just two days ago (8.10) and it took me two reboots. One for Kernel then one for restricted drivers.
"I look forward to the time when windows is no longer a monopoly and so can start becoming a good OS."
Swap windows with Microsoft and it makes more sense, but I still totally agree. It's nice to see someone else that will hope for the monopoly to go away so real innovation and advances come into play, and Windows turns into something more useful than it is today.
"Yes, there's a few places there are merge lights, but if you look you will notice they are always placed a good distance back from the actual merge point to allow drivers to obey the law on merge speed."
You've never been to LA - merge lanes are about 50 feet, if that. Nowhere near enough room to get up to 65 MPH.
"2. If you've *ever* driven in ANY city anywhere in the world, you know as well as I do that it's impossible to maintain sufficient distance behind someone so that if they suddenly mashed their brakes to the floor you wouldn't hit them"
You're so astonishingly full of shit in this comment it's insane. Of course you can, you slow the hell down and FORCE that safe distance, If the asshole behind you hits you, that's their fucking fault for following too closely, and you just got a new car + damages + compensation for lost time/wages/personal suffering.
So here's your -1, can't think of the obvious city moderation, and another -1, totally unaware of traffic law and insurance-designed scheme moderation.
Idiot.
150 feet is NOT plenty of time. at 45 MPH that's just barely 3 seconds. You lose about a second in reaction time between human recognition/action and vehicle response, and those other two seconds ain't going to help you unless you're locking your brakes and have enough tire surface on the pavement.
250 feet minimum. Anything less is stupidity at 45MPH or higher.
Too bad nobody follows this because it would also make freeway merging and interstate driving easier with less traffic congestion.
"Unfortunately there are cars behind you"
If we're talking the USA here, that's fine, because a rear-end collision is ALWAYS the person in the back's fault for not watching the road ahead and maintaining control of their vehicle.
Real men use musical timing to benchmark loading times! 120bpm 4/4 ALL THE WAY!
"Sure I'd love to help, but I'm a interaction guy, not a driver programmer. And if I was writing drivers, someone would surely kick my ass for doing it poorly."
I wish I had mod points, that's what damn-near everyone here fails to realize while they're busy going "Do it yourself." Some people just don't have the knack or aptitude to do it themselves.
Personally, I do better building physical things, not structuring code and making it work. I am hundreds of times better at taking raw materials that I can hold in my hands than I am working with a keyboard and bits.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet a large MAJORITY of people couldn't program even if they took classes and had a wonderful education, at least not complex stuff like drivers for an OS. I'll be willing to bet many programmers here couldn't wield a hammer or reciprocating saw in the same fashion a fair majority of people couldn't program.
The appropriate answer is "Yes, or you can also try these HUNDREDS of free games and software that you can use and NOT PAY FOR!"
In this economy, not having to pay for shit is a dream come true. Play that angle and we could DESTROY Microsoft.
Any distro?
DSL - 22 seconds.
The REAL winner is MinuetOS. 6 seconds last time I tried it and that was about 2 years ago.