Intelligence is at least at the level one step beyond -- unrestricted grammar.
I don't see how you can claim unrestricted grammar when every language I know of uses the concepts of nouns, verbs, etc. Surely an unrestricted grammar would mean completely alien languages which in no way are directly translateable into other human languages.
Games have trouble with timing if the player is in control, and not the comedian.
Control of what? In any comedy club, every patron is in control of themselves, their conversation, their focus, their interest, etc. The comedian is in control of the comedy (s)he's performing, and some other things, but not all. If there's a game where the player is in control of EVERYTHING and it can still be called a game, I'd love to see it.
False dilemma: there's no suggestion that GPS is causing the death of highly-detailed mapping.
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean no one suggested it. I think it's pretty clear to anyone capable of intellectual honesty, that when lots of people use GPS to navigate, less people are having to use traditional maps.
(Without contempt or disrespect) religion is a great example of how far you can get with an incomplete model. Enlightenment, which some would argue is the highest human state, is taught with nothing more than vague contradictions that hint at a different way of thinking. Most religions use similar techniques to some extent, and I suppose most education must to some degree as well.
That said, I think religion could not have come first, as it's basically a specialised educational system. Besides, you can't teach religion before you teach words, objects, etc.
that military style training aimed at developing self-discipline
Military training may well promote self-discipline, but it doesn't encourage free thinking, by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, since World War II, when they discovered that soldiers deliberately aim away from other people (even "enemies") whilst shooting, much army training has been devoted to dehumanising people and their enemies so that avoidance won't happen.
Oh, I'd love to have a GPS unit to use as my in-car 'minimap'. I'd never rely on one (in my home city at least) because a large part of effective commuting is knowing the traffic patterns. I find I can shave 10 minutes off a 50 minute journey simply by knowing which lanes snarl up where at what time of day.
I was thinking something similar -- not just about commuting though, but about the power of knowing where you are, where you need to be, and all the different options for getting there, taking detours, planning your itinerary, etc.
It's only lately that I've started putting my city of birth and local state/province together in my head. I've also started buying old-fashioned, detailed maps of the country, and a compass. All of this has been WELL worth it. Just the feeling of really knowing where you are on the earth, having a sense of your world, is powerful, in the same sort of way that knowing what to do if you're lost in the mountains is powerful when you're taking a trip in the mountains and anything could happen.
I'd always kind of shunned the old-fashioned compass stuff, but actually, it's simple to triangulate your position, or get your bearings from a map, and a lot of fun. Next step is an orientation course.
I think it's more talking about the fact that people who rely on sat-nav don't generally know the back streets as well as they used to.
It's more than just the back streets. I often notice LOTS of fascinating details on local maps (such as the high-res ordnance survey maps) that simply aren't included in the likes of Google Maps, Microsoft's Live Virtual Earth Whatever, etc. Mapquest (or was it multimap) used to provide these, but when google earth and all came along, they switched to Live to compete, and lost all the details that made me use them.
There's a basic example of what I'm talking about here:
Note the names of hills, local areas, quarries, etc. Often these local names are what give rise to street names and town names. More importantly, stuff like ancient pagan sites and ancient burial grounds --- the fascinating rich places of history and legend --- are often included.
The world will definitely be a colder place if these are lost in favour of being able to zoom in from a globe to pixelated overhead photos of cows, and low-res DEMs instead of intricate contour lines.
the network equivalent of the "It was my car, but I wasn't driving" defense is "someone haxx0red my (system|network)"
It's a bit different actually, since you can't be naively driving a short mail message to someone in your car, whilst 20 other people drive your car in ram-raids and getaways downtown.
Yeah, I wasn't replying only to your comment, but to the thread above you too. Specifically on what you said... I want to agree with your points and I see where you're coming from, but I disagree that games with people are just simpler versions of real life, with many of the same rules to be learned. A few might be learned, but let's face it... you'll learn learn those social rules much faster, immersed in a real social environment. More importantly, there are things you can learn in MMOs that are patently unreal... like the cheating that usually goes on to level up, where people actively cheat in public, doing repetitive, unreal tasks, to get ahead.
Hmm. I just realised that people actually do do this, in gyms. Never mind:D
Fair point, but I think that's a little backwards, since video decoding is down in general purpose GPU instructions now. Implementing the hardware decoding would be relatively straightforward, if it was supported.
That said, I agree with the general gist of the discussion here: VP3 was never a format worth getting behind in its own right. What we need to do is get all the interested companies and organisations together to purchase and open H264 or something like that, in much the same way that Blender was purchased and opened. But it WOULD be nice to have workable, standard infrastructure in place first, and HTML5 audio/video support would have helped that a lot.
Then again, I'd much prefer just to have the major browsers let me include scalable, fluid, transparent graphics via SVG instead of crappy bitmaps and *shudder* flash.
Business people do not mind paying for business-oriented content.
Nor to stock traders mind paying a little for tips on the markets that could double their money. That's a bit different from hearing what the latest insult between the USA and Iran is.
He said high-quality journalism. I'm not sure if you're lumping MSN(BC) and Fox in with the high quality stuff, or if you're joking that they're going to be excluded from the new system.
Personally I'd just like to SEE some truly high quality journalism these days. Woodward & Bernstein should've started a school which banned press releases and PR or something.
if you are involved enough in the game you must learn to do it well, with rules that work even in the real world.
As you say, games simplify reality. If you want a real model of life, go read proper philosophy, not the cut-down element/spell explanations and witty one-liners you'll get in D&D books. Yes, there's some value in that, but not that much, compared to what you can get elsewhere. Try the Tao Te Ching for a relatively easy intro.
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Yeah, .pls and php.
Also, anyone wanting to build a moonbase using an army of robots should start with a single robot arm, some materials, and a compiler. ;)
I don't see how you can claim unrestricted grammar when every language I know of uses the concepts of nouns, verbs, etc. Surely an unrestricted grammar would mean completely alien languages which in no way are directly translateable into other human languages.
Depends on your definition of teaching. Most of the education world would include being a role model, providing examples, as a type of teaching too.
I believe it's this one:
4: The average human gives a crap about reality
Control of what? In any comedy club, every patron is in control of themselves, their conversation, their focus, their interest, etc. The comedian is in control of the comedy (s)he's performing, and some other things, but not all. If there's a game where the player is in control of EVERYTHING and it can still be called a game, I'd love to see it.
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean no one suggested it. I think it's pretty clear to anyone capable of intellectual honesty, that when lots of people use GPS to navigate, less people are having to use traditional maps.
(Without contempt or disrespect) religion is a great example of how far you can get with an incomplete model. Enlightenment, which some would argue is the highest human state, is taught with nothing more than vague contradictions that hint at a different way of thinking. Most religions use similar techniques to some extent, and I suppose most education must to some degree as well.
That said, I think religion could not have come first, as it's basically a specialised educational system. Besides, you can't teach religion before you teach words, objects, etc.
You may not have noticed, but 1984 has already happened. In more ways than one.
"What else can I fuck up today?"
Military training may well promote self-discipline, but it doesn't encourage free thinking, by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, since World War II, when they discovered that soldiers deliberately aim away from other people (even "enemies") whilst shooting, much army training has been devoted to dehumanising people and their enemies so that avoidance won't happen.
Of course, having gone through boot camp, you'll never know for sure if that's really what you think, or if that's what they told you to think ;)
You mean you haven't used the Ctrl-X-Alt-AmazonKey-PhantomMouseButton combo yet?
I was thinking something similar -- not just about commuting though, but about the power of knowing where you are, where you need to be, and all the different options for getting there, taking detours, planning your itinerary, etc.
It's only lately that I've started putting my city of birth and local state/province together in my head. I've also started buying old-fashioned, detailed maps of the country, and a compass. All of this has been WELL worth it. Just the feeling of really knowing where you are on the earth, having a sense of your world, is powerful, in the same sort of way that knowing what to do if you're lost in the mountains is powerful when you're taking a trip in the mountains and anything could happen.
I'd always kind of shunned the old-fashioned compass stuff, but actually, it's simple to triangulate your position, or get your bearings from a map, and a lot of fun. Next step is an orientation course.
It's more than just the back streets. I often notice LOTS of fascinating details on local maps (such as the high-res ordnance survey maps) that simply aren't included in the likes of Google Maps, Microsoft's Live Virtual Earth Whatever, etc. Mapquest (or was it multimap) used to provide these, but when google earth and all came along, they switched to Live to compete, and lost all the details that made me use them.
There's a basic example of what I'm talking about here:
http://www.keith-dufftown-railway.co.uk/maps/Map3.gif
Note the names of hills, local areas, quarries, etc. Often these local names are what give rise to street names and town names. More importantly, stuff like ancient pagan sites and ancient burial grounds --- the fascinating rich places of history and legend --- are often included.
The world will definitely be a colder place if these are lost in favour of being able to zoom in from a globe to pixelated overhead photos of cows, and low-res DEMs instead of intricate contour lines.
LINE 10 PRINT "byte"
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Microsoft Basic Ready >
And it's usually, "fuck off" ;)
It's a bit different actually, since you can't be naively driving a short mail message to someone in your car, whilst 20 other people drive your car in ram-raids and getaways downtown.
There, fixed that for you.
Yeah, I wasn't replying only to your comment, but to the thread above you too. Specifically on what you said... I want to agree with your points and I see where you're coming from, but I disagree that games with people are just simpler versions of real life, with many of the same rules to be learned. A few might be learned, but let's face it... you'll learn learn those social rules much faster, immersed in a real social environment. More importantly, there are things you can learn in MMOs that are patently unreal... like the cheating that usually goes on to level up, where people actively cheat in public, doing repetitive, unreal tasks, to get ahead.
Hmm. I just realised that people actually do do this, in gyms. Never mind :D
Peaceful protesting is one thing, but I think it's a little unnecessary to start catching the Japanese in steel nets.
Fair point, but I think that's a little backwards, since video decoding is down in general purpose GPU instructions now. Implementing the hardware decoding would be relatively straightforward, if it was supported.
That said, I agree with the general gist of the discussion here: VP3 was never a format worth getting behind in its own right. What we need to do is get all the interested companies and organisations together to purchase and open H264 or something like that, in much the same way that Blender was purchased and opened. But it WOULD be nice to have workable, standard infrastructure in place first, and HTML5 audio/video support would have helped that a lot.
Then again, I'd much prefer just to have the major browsers let me include scalable, fluid, transparent graphics via SVG instead of crappy bitmaps and *shudder* flash.
Centralised news aggregators, even. Figuratively speaking, the personal aggregators on many peoples' desktops would amount to MORE than a "ton".
Nor to stock traders mind paying a little for tips on the markets that could double their money. That's a bit different from hearing what the latest insult between the USA and Iran is.
He said high-quality journalism. I'm not sure if you're lumping MSN(BC) and Fox in with the high quality stuff, or if you're joking that they're going to be excluded from the new system.
Personally I'd just like to SEE some truly high quality journalism these days. Woodward & Bernstein should've started a school which banned press releases and PR or something.
As you say, games simplify reality. If you want a real model of life, go read proper philosophy, not the cut-down element/spell explanations and witty one-liners you'll get in D&D books. Yes, there's some value in that, but not that much, compared to what you can get elsewhere. Try the Tao Te Ching for a relatively easy intro.