As far as I'm concerned, proprietary software is, by definition, not fit for purpose in public projects**. So yes, OSS and open formats can win on their merits, but yes, they should also be mandated.
** See Peter Quinn's "Sovereignty" arguments for why
The UK did the "equal consideration" thing years ago (I think around 2002/3). A few years later, I was still seeing government contracts being awarded based on statements like (actual quote) "Your tender was perfect, except for one word we wanted to hear: Microsoft".
Equal consideration isn't enough; it's a weasel word to appease people who care, while continuing with the status quo. Government buyers take risks only when forced to do so be legal requirements.
Yeah, knowing that your data is inaccurate and openly admitting it is worse than thinking your data is perfect when it's far from it, and attempting to brow-beat others with it anyway. Well done, smart guy.
No, but if you buy a car and it arrives with "Nigger" on the license plate, because Ford bought random license plates from a racist company, then Ford (amongst others, including the individuals who chose that plate) should probably be blamed.
Which, of course, is because Dell and Apple are sponsoring the show. This has been happening for years; Amiga used to sponsor the Neighbors soap, and so people had Amigas on the show. They went with Macs later, probably because they got better/alternate sponsorship from Apple then.
No, I'm saying that people at the forefront of a technological revolution often "get" the issues involved in that revolution better than people who are armchair critics of change, luddites, or worse, sheep.
Anyway, you obviously have a different view, and we'll never agree. A question was asked, and I gave my own personal view on the answer. You're under no obligation to agree, so let's leave it there.
You can quote well-known anecdotes, that's great. I could do the same myself, but none of that is hard data. I suggest we drop this unless one of us actually has useful information which could sway the other.
If you have some data to the contrary, present it. Otherwise, I'm gonna trust people who are more authoritative than you, until I see some hard data for myself.
When's the last time you laid out a site without a table element on every page?
I think you mean, "When's the first time...?" It was many years ago. No one who's kept remotely up to date with web technology (and their responsibilities as web developers/designers) uses tables for layout anymore.
I'd like to talk to you about what I'm really excited about--the datagrid element.
You seem to not understand what this is for. I'll give you a clue: that data in the name means it's for data, not layout.
What you REALLY seem to want is the CSS3 display: table* options, which let you do old-style tabular layout in pure CSS.
Actually I just listened to people talking on the radio the other day about how modern western culture has much less social mobility than in the past. People are more and more isolated these days, and much more commoditised, with rising populations, formulaic CVs as a test of skills, etc. So it stands to reason that it's HARDER to prove your worth and make your mark, not easier.
"Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people I never met, never had no problem with, get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Oh, send in the Marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile, he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And, of course, the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. And they're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, of course, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's got to walk to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he's starvin', 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat, the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure fuck it, while I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president. "
So can having to put up with RIAA-types, telling you you're not allowed to use information, because its special information that can only be written down by their magic writing tools. That way lies insanity.
the dentistry was for purely cosmetic purposes. "They were not marks of social class,"
Hmm. Methinks that all cosmetics are about improving your social class, and the quality of those cosmetics indicates which social class you can get away with claiming to be part of.
It's worked out pretty well, considering they're still in business, expect to be in business for another five years while the appeal goes through, have discredited the judge in their case, have launched a new business off the publicity, and have encouraged their supporters to elect people who support them not just at a national level, but at a European level. They're a few guys. Think how far on we'd be now if a few more had taken a similar stance. A critical mass of support for p2p could be reached pretty quickly, if people just stood up to be counted.
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As far as I'm concerned, proprietary software is, by definition, not fit for purpose in public projects**. So yes, OSS and open formats can win on their merits, but yes, they should also be mandated.
** See Peter Quinn's "Sovereignty" arguments for why
The UK did the "equal consideration" thing years ago (I think around 2002/3). A few years later, I was still seeing government contracts being awarded based on statements like (actual quote) "Your tender was perfect, except for one word we wanted to hear: Microsoft".
Equal consideration isn't enough; it's a weasel word to appease people who care, while continuing with the status quo. Government buyers take risks only when forced to do so be legal requirements.
Assuming these insightful posts are like the normal, uninsightful posts, then a good benchsaw should do it.
You're assuming he had a choice.
*whoosh*
See? I can do it too. Are we done yet, or would you like to play at 2-year-olds some more?
Yeah, knowing that your data is inaccurate and openly admitting it is worse than thinking your data is perfect when it's far from it, and attempting to brow-beat others with it anyway. Well done, smart guy.
No, but if you buy a car and it arrives with "Nigger" on the license plate, because Ford bought random license plates from a racist company, then Ford (amongst others, including the individuals who chose that plate) should probably be blamed.
Unless you're called Bill, in which case you'll want around 640k of evil.
Idiot. You don't have to miss the point of something to take the topic further anyway. It's called conversation. You should try learning it sometime.
Which, of course, is because Dell and Apple are sponsoring the show. This has been happening for years; Amiga used to sponsor the Neighbors soap, and so people had Amigas on the show. They went with Macs later, probably because they got better/alternate sponsorship from Apple then.
Last I heard, the FBI was embarrassingly under-tech'd. They probably use paper and pencil a lot of the time.
No, I'm saying that people at the forefront of a technological revolution often "get" the issues involved in that revolution better than people who are armchair critics of change, luddites, or worse, sheep.
Anyway, you obviously have a different view, and we'll never agree. A question was asked, and I gave my own personal view on the answer. You're under no obligation to agree, so let's leave it there.
You can quote well-known anecdotes, that's great. I could do the same myself, but none of that is hard data. I suggest we drop this unless one of us actually has useful information which could sway the other.
I don't think "upgrade" means what they think it means.
If you have some data to the contrary, present it. Otherwise, I'm gonna trust people who are more authoritative than you, until I see some hard data for myself.
No, get your own.
I think you mean, "When's the first time...?" It was many years ago. No one who's kept remotely up to date with web technology (and their responsibilities as web developers/designers) uses tables for layout anymore.
You seem to not understand what this is for. I'll give you a clue: that data in the name means it's for data, not layout.
What you REALLY seem to want is the CSS3 display: table* options, which let you do old-style tabular layout in pure CSS.
Why would I want your Klingon for a datagrid element? ;)
Actually I just listened to people talking on the radio the other day about how modern western culture has much less social mobility than in the past. People are more and more isolated these days, and much more commoditised, with rising populations, formulaic CVs as a test of skills, etc. So it stands to reason that it's HARDER to prove your worth and make your mark, not easier.
"Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people I never met, never had no problem with, get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Oh, send in the Marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile, he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And, of course, the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. And they're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, of course, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's got to walk to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he's starvin', 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat, the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure fuck it, while I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president. "
So can having to put up with RIAA-types, telling you you're not allowed to use information, because its special information that can only be written down by their magic writing tools. That way lies insanity.
Hmm. Methinks that all cosmetics are about improving your social class, and the quality of those cosmetics indicates which social class you can get away with claiming to be part of.
Because we're geeks, and we understand geek issues before the average non-geek begins to grasp it.
Or, in other words... because they're right.
It's worked out pretty well, considering they're still in business, expect to be in business for another five years while the appeal goes through, have discredited the judge in their case, have launched a new business off the publicity, and have encouraged their supporters to elect people who support them not just at a national level, but at a European level. They're a few guys. Think how far on we'd be now if a few more had taken a similar stance. A critical mass of support for p2p could be reached pretty quickly, if people just stood up to be counted.
It said "shills".