Not many people out of IT business actually ever heard of Cisco.
They are still one of the richest companies in the world, topping Apple by far, and even IBM, both far more recognizable to mainstream public than Cisco is.
The another problem with Cisco is that they don't have publically recognizable products. If you ask a random person what he knows about Apple, you'll probably hear "Oh they are making Macs and iPods". If you ask a random person who actually knows what Cisco do about it, they'll probably mention "networking equipment" or "routers, switches and stuff". You ain't gonna get an answer like "Oh, for example 2600 series, I think it's awesome" from a random person.
Apple's iPhone devices would likely outsell Cisco's total iPhone sales after a relatively short time on market. However, single product's success has very little to do with legal rights to use the name. And Cisco's failure to earn more money on a product which wasn't really hyper-marketed as Apple products are has really nothing to do with anything, and doesn't really affect their corporative earnings much, so I am not really getting your point on that.
OLPC can give kids Internet connection where they would usually have none.
Web browser is, overall, the killer app. The pure difference in being able to access the Web, and not access it is remarkably huge. By giving children access to Google, Wikipedia, Slashdot, and billions of other sites and web applications it is the single most useful tool a child could have.
It also comes with RSS reader, chat, AbiWord and eToys along with several games.
Mesh networking is the point by itself, as its main function is not only to connect OLPC laptops together, but to also connect them to an Internet gateway, which will be provided by schools... This will have an overall effect of propagating Internet access through OLPC-targeted countries.
I just don't see what would children "need" Office and Photoshop for.
In developed countries, a child will have its computing needs satisfied already, by having access to regular computer. OLPC targetted child has no such privilege, and a difference between owning an OLPC laptop and not owning it will be huge.
Porting software to OLPC is not hard. While Sugar is the interface, it is still founded on X Window System, and it runs Python apps as well... And newer versions of OS will have more apps that are already announced.
Plus, judging a platform for not having enough software for it when it hasn't actually been released to its end-users yet isn't really fair. I predict it will create a very decent software library of its own, and that we'll see first of it quite soon after it goes fully public. It has happened to pretty much every platform around during the last 50 years.
Here and in other discussions you seem to be speaking from direct knowledge when you talk about this. Can it be reasonably presumed that you have used the browser as it is delivered with the XO Computers UI and it does in fact work as advertised. That would put an end to back on forth on the issue. I have used qemu emulated image of OLPC, and I played around with Sugar. There are some issues I had with it, my screen size was funky, and I didn't manage to get the emulated networking running, so I couldn't really surf, but I got a good look on the software from non-networked perspective.
I can, however, confirm 100% that you can type URLs manually.
It's just that unusual OLPC design... Our regular browsers display the URL bar, and we got title displayed on our browser window bar. Since Sugar doesn't really have window bars, its fork of Firefox displays the web page title over URL bar until it is clicked, when it switches to standard URL bar. Elegant, but different than what we're used to.
Despite what its wiki says, I believe that they don't just use gecko engine browser, but a fork of firefox itself. about:mozilla works on it, and displays the same message it does on Firefox, IIRC. (can't check it out at the moment because I switched systems since I ran Sugar)
There IS an url bar. It is just hidden behind the title bar. When you click on title bar, you can type regular URL.
Too bad the video does not show it, it actually misleads a lot of people in thinking the same way you did:)
Indeed.
I find the whole name "iPod generation" discriminating actually.
I am 22 years old. I do not own an iPod, actually, I am pretty much indifferent to it. On the other hand, space exploration is still something I'm very excited about... Or, to be completely honest, dissapointed about due to the last couple of decades' lack of progress on manned flights.
Wow. So the GUI is really just the tip of the iceberg - not only does the OLPC project require an entirely new GUI to be designed, written and tested, it also requires new methods of networking: also needing to be designed, written and tested.
Has this mesh networking thing ever been widely tested outside academia? To what extent does the OLPC network system reuse code that has been proven to work? Surely the implementation must be very different from a regular Internet Protocol network.
This OLPC thing sounds like a nightmare project! So much new and untested stuff to be invented especially for the OLPC. It's as if there was no sane person at any of the planning meetings: just a bunch of people proposing features without considering the costs and risks that would come with them.
Mesh routing technology has been tested for a long time, and it has some military use, although OLPC should make their laptop its first civilian use. Another link on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Machine states that they are going to use OLSR (Optimized Link State Routing) protocol for wireless communication.
Note that it's nothing more than a routing protocol. And as most routing protocols do, it operates on top of TCP/IP. So, yes, it will be a TCP/IP network. OLSR is only a protocol that defines how routers recognize and reconfigure each other, and build routing tables.
They're not inventing much new technology. They are only cleverly incorporating existing technology.
The teachers' union is now trying to get all personal electronic devices banned from all schools in Western Quebec.Well, at least they're not trying to shut down the Internet.
Already got tired of those:)
Seriously, what did you expect? Aero? Compiz? Beryl?
Imagine a scenario: A child living in cramped suburban home somewhere in third world, probably with at least a dozen more people sharing the same home. The family manages enough food and they probably have some electricity, but not much more. Such children are a primary goal of the OLPC program.
Such children probably already have some benefits. They can usually get free used clothes, school books, and they probably have at least some form of free health insurance and basic education. Now, that child just got a laptop from his school for free! Now he can surf the internet via mesh network, have access to word processing, games, he can do anything he likes with his new OLPC which he gets to keep forever.
That child is OVERJOYED! He doesn't think "OMG what a crap interface!", he is happy that he got something which he could never afford, something which offers a ton of new possibilities, not only to him, but to his entire family as well!
The only child who will think of it as crap is the one which already has access to better computers, or the unlucky poor kid who will hang out only with rich kids who will be flaunting their Dells, HPs, Macs, IBMs, System76s and other computers which they paid for more than the poor kid's family earns in a year.
Also, I bet interface will look better on real OLPC laptops, as they have tiny 7.5" screens sporting a huge 1200*900 resolution.
OLPC interface works great. It is different from standard WIMP interfaces, but after reviewing it a bit (and spending 5 minutes to actually read something about its philosophy) I found it extremely simple overall. True, best and simple don't always go together. I still consider full WIMP interface to be superior in terms of usability and customization.
However, OLPC's Sugar interface is very simple to pick up, and quite customized to OLPC machines and their hardware capabilities. It promises to be more consistent, once finished, than most WIMP interfaces tend to be. And don't forget: OLPC's goal was to produce cheap and usable laptops for children, not to score points from advanced users based on their GUI design/implementation.
To elaborate - OLPC are not trying to simply ship cheap PC laptops. They're trying to provide a completely new platform of usability. It's not just about window manager, it's about how OLPCs should be used.
Basically, OLPC laptops have low-powered high-range WLAN cards which automatically configure network in a peer-to-peer mesh. Most features of Sugar interface are directly built with mesh networking and shared activities in mind, and most applications are encouraged to be able to work the same way.
Other reasons are technological, but other way around than you mentioned. For example, the Home screen (one of the optional views on Sugar, mostly equivalent to desktop as most of us would know it) has built-in task manager (called activity ring), represented in a circle around the XO human figure. It's also a visual feedback of memory constraints (128 MB RAM), and it provides means for resource management that doesn't require knowledge of the underlying architecture.
Text processor is AbiWord. It's not consistent with the rest of OLPC interface, but don't forget that the entire interface is still in testing and development phase.
You can type in address, of course. The same space is used for both title bar and URL. When you click on it, it displays URL and it is editable. Otherwise it shows title bar.
To repeat myself again: We're buying oil mostly from US. Nothing of Croatian oil comes from Iraq. Other sources of our oil include Canada, Syberia and Syria. So we're buying US oil almost exclusevely. And damn it's expensive! About $1.40 per litre. That's some $5.30 per gallon.
In Vukovar, more people died then on 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combined. Yet those two are only significant attacks on American soil since the US Civil War. And Americans took it personally.
Like in the war we had recently... US troops stood by when Serbs were killing Croats. Then one day, Serbs took down one US plane. Soon, US troops struck their positions heavily with air strikes and cruising missiles.
There is a great difference between liberation and vengeance. Bush once clearly stated he was going for Saddam "because he tried to kill his father". Plus, lots of news I've seen from the time after Baghdad siege were about US taking oil from their fields.
Add to that all that fuss about "weapons of mass destruction". If lack of democracy is a valid reason to start a war, why did Bush state all those other things?
I mentioned Belarus and DPRK because they are much less democratic than Iraq ever was.
Democracy is all about choice. And don't underestimate the power of the people, and late 80s/early 90s, when communist countries of the Europe threw down their regime support and elected a democratic one.
While you are talking about holocausts, death camps etc. I shall once again mention Abu Ghraib.
Communism did not fail because it was a bad system. It failed because it got corrupt and twisted, much removed from its original spirit and meaning. It was economically positive in the short run; yet quite damaging in the long run.
Russia is most definetely European, I agree. But it is unlikely to enter EU due to its population, size and politics.
Turkey has some territories in Europe, but most of its population and teritorry is in Asia. It is a part of the continent in geography, but not culture, except in some parts of Bosnia, Serbia and Albania, yet their effects go as far to north as Germany.
My point is, you cannot act as a world cop... Don't judge other cultures.
If I met you in the street, I'd drag you to a bar, buy you a beer or five, and then we'd discuss freedoms =)
This is kinda pointless, if you'd agree.
> Don't I remember a little something about ethnic cleansing in your part of the world a few years ago?
Yes. It happened throughout the entire Croatia. Try searching for Vukovar destruction on Google.
> It's been my experience that statements like yours are really disguised condemnations of democracy.
Erm... How did you get to that conclusion? I do not condemn democracy.
However, I feel strongly about sovereignity, and condemn attempts to disrupt that sovereignity by another country.
> Like many mistaken Arabs, you won't be satisfied until the U.S. stops supporting democracy and the spread
> of democracy and joins with fat and happy Europeans who happily suck up to tyrants and miscreants for oil.
Are you implying that Europe is un-democratic?
And I thought Americans would at least not criticize goverments who are sucking up to THEM for oil.
> It seems many of you would trade the misery of the Arab world for your own warm beds.
Well, better that than invade them, confiscate their oil reserves and slay half of their population. And bring them even greater misery.
> The U.S. was attacked on 9/11 because there are people in the world who believe that the Western way of life, including yours, is evil.
Then why did they not attack us? Not once?
We did not strike at them... Never. And never they struck at us. They struck only against countries which attacked Arabs, or supported those attacks.
It's your fault. Not their religious zeal.
> They believe they have a duty to kill all Westerners. They must be eliminated.
Urm.... Who is civilized now?
So we should kill all Arabs? Is that it?
> No, almost all Arabs are nothing like that.
Well, *finally*:)))))
> Yes, placating existing Arab regimes (all illegitimate because they are undemocratic) will do nothing to eliminate them.
Then why do you do that if you don't know it doesn't help?
And if those regimes are undemocratic, check out Belarus and North Korea. They are much less democratic than Arab countries.
The problem is, they have no oil.
> Frankly, having survived living under the yoke of Communist thugs, I'd think a Croatian would know better.
Actually, communism in former Yugoslavia was pretty lightweight. The first transition years (until 2000.) were much worse. "Survived" is not a word I would use here.
Actually, many good things from communism remained in our highly social system (like Sweden has). Free health insurance, education, care for poor people...
There are very few homeless people in Croatia. Those that are homeless sleep in organized shelters, eat free food and such. No one sleeps on streets. We take care of our own.
Yet Croatia throughout its 1400-year-long history never invaded another country.
> Sadly, your remarks are just further evidence of the cynical and corrupted world view typical of so many Europeans these days.
Perhaps you should bomb Europe as well?
> Remember, we're still cleaning up the mess Europe created in the 20th century.
Uhm... What mess did we create?
> All those corrupt Arab regimes nurturing death, repression, ignorance and terror? Your fault.
Actually, if I remember correctly, they started making problems after US shipped mass quantities of weapons to Israel.
Gulf War probably had nothing to do with it either.
> All those bogus illogically bordered African countries wallowing in misery and death? Your fault.
How?
OK, there was some fighting down there during WW2, but i do not see how did we cause their misery.
It probably has something to do with the fact that most of the African soil is not really fertile. And that most natives still live in their tribes and by their old traditions, not willing to accept our way of life.
> All those billions who slaved, and still suffer, und
Nah...
I'm a Croat, and we are not radicalized Islamists. We're Roman Catholic.
I can assure you that no mad arab Islamists want to kill us. Perhaps it is a different situation about USA, but that happened only because of US politics and warmongery.
So far, radical Muslims only struck on countries which invaded or helped invade Iraq, Afganistan or other countries.
As a matter of fact, my uncle works in the Croatian oil company, INA. He worked on drills in many countries, including Russia (in Syberia, to be precise), USA, Canada, and most recently Syria, which is of course "full of radicalized Islamists".
Guess what? Of all those countries, he was best received in Syria. Although he was a westener, people were kind to him and treated him with respect. They only could not stand Americans.
Catbeller is right. You brought this upon yourselves, mostly by listening to such propaganda. If you were to quit such tactics, you would find terrorist threat to be *much* lower.
Hmm... Bad memory then. Yup, I remember this pthread_create() from my C lessons... Many years ago. I'm currently programming in C# (pays my bills)... So I don't remember everything.
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Not many people out of IT business actually ever heard of Cisco.
They are still one of the richest companies in the world, topping Apple by far, and even IBM, both far more recognizable to mainstream public than Cisco is.
The another problem with Cisco is that they don't have publically recognizable products. If you ask a random person what he knows about Apple, you'll probably hear "Oh they are making Macs and iPods". If you ask a random person who actually knows what Cisco do about it, they'll probably mention "networking equipment" or "routers, switches and stuff". You ain't gonna get an answer like "Oh, for example 2600 series, I think it's awesome" from a random person.
Apple's iPhone devices would likely outsell Cisco's total iPhone sales after a relatively short time on market. However, single product's success has very little to do with legal rights to use the name. And Cisco's failure to earn more money on a product which wasn't really hyper-marketed as Apple products are has really nothing to do with anything, and doesn't really affect their corporative earnings much, so I am not really getting your point on that.
Cisco has been releasing iPhones before Apple was releasing, or even announcing iPods.
1997 is not what I'd call "something a month before Apple".
OLPC can give kids Internet connection where they would usually have none.
Web browser is, overall, the killer app. The pure difference in being able to access the Web, and not access it is remarkably huge. By giving children access to Google, Wikipedia, Slashdot, and billions of other sites and web applications it is the single most useful tool a child could have. It also comes with RSS reader, chat, AbiWord and eToys along with several games.
Mesh networking is the point by itself, as its main function is not only to connect OLPC laptops together, but to also connect them to an Internet gateway, which will be provided by schools... This will have an overall effect of propagating Internet access through OLPC-targeted countries.
I just don't see what would children "need" Office and Photoshop for.
In developed countries, a child will have its computing needs satisfied already, by having access to regular computer. OLPC targetted child has no such privilege, and a difference between owning an OLPC laptop and not owning it will be huge.
Porting software to OLPC is not hard. While Sugar is the interface, it is still founded on X Window System, and it runs Python apps as well... And newer versions of OS will have more apps that are already announced.
Plus, judging a platform for not having enough software for it when it hasn't actually been released to its end-users yet isn't really fair. I predict it will create a very decent software library of its own, and that we'll see first of it quite soon after it goes fully public. It has happened to pretty much every platform around during the last 50 years.
Word processor is a version of AbiWord. It has all the options you would require, hidden within menus :)
I can, however, confirm 100% that you can type URLs manually.
It's just that unusual OLPC design... Our regular browsers display the URL bar, and we got title displayed on our browser window bar. Since Sugar doesn't really have window bars, its fork of Firefox displays the web page title over URL bar until it is clicked, when it switches to standard URL bar. Elegant, but different than what we're used to.
Despite what its wiki says, I believe that they don't just use gecko engine browser, but a fork of firefox itself. about:mozilla works on it, and displays the same message it does on Firefox, IIRC. (can't check it out at the moment because I switched systems since I ran Sugar)
There IS an url bar. It is just hidden behind the title bar. When you click on title bar, you can type regular URL. :)
Too bad the video does not show it, it actually misleads a lot of people in thinking the same way you did
Indeed.
I find the whole name "iPod generation" discriminating actually.
I am 22 years old. I do not own an iPod, actually, I am pretty much indifferent to it. On the other hand, space exploration is still something I'm very excited about... Or, to be completely honest, dissapointed about due to the last couple of decades' lack of progress on manned flights.
For more info about this methods of networking, check out the following wikipedia sites:k
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_ad-hoc_networ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_networ
Mesh routing technology has been tested for a long time, and it has some military use, although OLPC should make their laptop its first civilian use. Another link on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Machine states that they are going to use OLSR (Optimized Link State Routing) protocol for wireless communication.
Note that it's nothing more than a routing protocol. And as most routing protocols do, it operates on top of TCP/IP. So, yes, it will be a TCP/IP network. OLSR is only a protocol that defines how routers recognize and reconfigure each other, and build routing tables.
They're not inventing much new technology. They are only cleverly incorporating existing technology.
The teachers' union is now trying to get all personal electronic devices banned from all schools in Western Quebec.Well, at least they're not trying to shut down the Internet. Already got tired of those :)
Seriously, what did you expect? Aero? Compiz? Beryl?
Imagine a scenario: A child living in cramped suburban home somewhere in third world, probably with at least a dozen more people sharing the same home. The family manages enough food and they probably have some electricity, but not much more. Such children are a primary goal of the OLPC program.
Such children probably already have some benefits. They can usually get free used clothes, school books, and they probably have at least some form of free health insurance and basic education. Now, that child just got a laptop from his school for free! Now he can surf the internet via mesh network, have access to word processing, games, he can do anything he likes with his new OLPC which he gets to keep forever.
That child is OVERJOYED! He doesn't think "OMG what a crap interface!", he is happy that he got something which he could never afford, something which offers a ton of new possibilities, not only to him, but to his entire family as well!
The only child who will think of it as crap is the one which already has access to better computers, or the unlucky poor kid who will hang out only with rich kids who will be flaunting their Dells, HPs, Macs, IBMs, System76s and other computers which they paid for more than the poor kid's family earns in a year.
Also, I bet interface will look better on real OLPC laptops, as they have tiny 7.5" screens sporting a huge 1200*900 resolution.
OLPC interface works great. It is different from standard WIMP interfaces, but after reviewing it a bit (and spending 5 minutes to actually read something about its philosophy) I found it extremely simple overall. True, best and simple don't always go together. I still consider full WIMP interface to be superior in terms of usability and customization.
However, OLPC's Sugar interface is very simple to pick up, and quite customized to OLPC machines and their hardware capabilities. It promises to be more consistent, once finished, than most WIMP interfaces tend to be. And don't forget: OLPC's goal was to produce cheap and usable laptops for children, not to score points from advanced users based on their GUI design/implementation.
Mesh networking and activities.
That's why.
To elaborate - OLPC are not trying to simply ship cheap PC laptops. They're trying to provide a completely new platform of usability. It's not just about window manager, it's about how OLPCs should be used.
Basically, OLPC laptops have low-powered high-range WLAN cards which automatically configure network in a peer-to-peer mesh. Most features of Sugar interface are directly built with mesh networking and shared activities in mind, and most applications are encouraged to be able to work the same way.
Other reasons are technological, but other way around than you mentioned. For example, the Home screen (one of the optional views on Sugar, mostly equivalent to desktop as most of us would know it) has built-in task manager (called activity ring), represented in a circle around the XO human figure. It's also a visual feedback of memory constraints (128 MB RAM), and it provides means for resource management that doesn't require knowledge of the underlying architecture.
For more information about its interface, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Human_Interface_Gui delines is a nice read.
Text processor is AbiWord. It's not consistent with the rest of OLPC interface, but don't forget that the entire interface is still in testing and development phase.
You can type in address, of course. The same space is used for both title bar and URL. When you click on it, it displays URL and it is editable. Otherwise it shows title bar.
To repeat myself again: We're buying oil mostly from US. Nothing of Croatian oil comes from Iraq. Other sources of our oil include Canada, Syberia and Syria. So we're buying US oil almost exclusevely. And damn it's expensive! About $1.40 per litre. That's some $5.30 per gallon.
In Vukovar, more people died then on 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combined. Yet those two are only significant attacks on American soil since the US Civil War. And Americans took it personally.
Like in the war we had recently... US troops stood by when Serbs were killing Croats. Then one day, Serbs took down one US plane. Soon, US troops struck their positions heavily with air strikes and cruising missiles.
There is a great difference between liberation and vengeance. Bush once clearly stated he was going for Saddam "because he tried to kill his father". Plus, lots of news I've seen from the time after Baghdad siege were about US taking oil from their fields.
Add to that all that fuss about "weapons of mass destruction". If lack of democracy is a valid reason to start a war, why did Bush state all those other things?
I mentioned Belarus and DPRK because they are much less democratic than Iraq ever was.
Democracy is all about choice. And don't underestimate the power of the people, and late 80s/early 90s, when communist countries of the Europe threw down their regime support and elected a democratic one.
While you are talking about holocausts, death camps etc. I shall once again mention Abu Ghraib.
Communism did not fail because it was a bad system. It failed because it got corrupt and twisted, much removed from its original spirit and meaning. It was economically positive in the short run; yet quite damaging in the long run.
Russia is most definetely European, I agree. But it is unlikely to enter EU due to its population, size and politics.
Turkey has some territories in Europe, but most of its population and teritorry is in Asia. It is a part of the continent in geography, but not culture, except in some parts of Bosnia, Serbia and Albania, yet their effects go as far to north as Germany.
My point is, you cannot act as a world cop... Don't judge other cultures.
If I met you in the street, I'd drag you to a bar, buy you a beer or five, and then we'd discuss freedoms =)
This is kinda pointless, if you'd agree.
> Don't I remember a little something about ethnic cleansing in your part of the world a few years ago?
:)))))
Yes. It happened throughout the entire Croatia. Try searching for Vukovar destruction on Google.
> It's been my experience that statements like yours are really disguised condemnations of democracy.
Erm... How did you get to that conclusion? I do not condemn democracy.
However, I feel strongly about sovereignity, and condemn attempts to disrupt that sovereignity by another country.
> Like many mistaken Arabs, you won't be satisfied until the U.S. stops supporting democracy and the spread
> of democracy and joins with fat and happy Europeans who happily suck up to tyrants and miscreants for oil.
Are you implying that Europe is un-democratic? And I thought Americans would at least not criticize goverments who are sucking up to THEM for oil.
> It seems many of you would trade the misery of the Arab world for your own warm beds.
Well, better that than invade them, confiscate their oil reserves and slay half of their population. And bring them even greater misery.
> The U.S. was attacked on 9/11 because there are people in the world who believe that the Western way of life, including yours, is evil.
Then why did they not attack us? Not once?
We did not strike at them... Never. And never they struck at us. They struck only against countries which attacked Arabs, or supported those attacks. It's your fault. Not their religious zeal.
> They believe they have a duty to kill all Westerners. They must be eliminated.
Urm.... Who is civilized now?
So we should kill all Arabs? Is that it?
> No, almost all Arabs are nothing like that.
Well, *finally*
> Yes, placating existing Arab regimes (all illegitimate because they are undemocratic) will do nothing to eliminate them.
Then why do you do that if you don't know it doesn't help?
And if those regimes are undemocratic, check out Belarus and North Korea. They are much less democratic than Arab countries. The problem is, they have no oil.
> Frankly, having survived living under the yoke of Communist thugs, I'd think a Croatian would know better.
Actually, communism in former Yugoslavia was pretty lightweight. The first transition years (until 2000.) were much worse. "Survived" is not a word I would use here.
Actually, many good things from communism remained in our highly social system (like Sweden has). Free health insurance, education, care for poor people...
There are very few homeless people in Croatia. Those that are homeless sleep in organized shelters, eat free food and such. No one sleeps on streets. We take care of our own.
Yet Croatia throughout its 1400-year-long history never invaded another country.
> Sadly, your remarks are just further evidence of the cynical and corrupted world view typical of so many Europeans these days.
Perhaps you should bomb Europe as well?
> Remember, we're still cleaning up the mess Europe created in the 20th century.
Uhm... What mess did we create?
> All those corrupt Arab regimes nurturing death, repression, ignorance and terror? Your fault.
Actually, if I remember correctly, they started making problems after US shipped mass quantities of weapons to Israel.
Gulf War probably had nothing to do with it either.
> All those bogus illogically bordered African countries wallowing in misery and death? Your fault.
How?
OK, there was some fighting down there during WW2, but i do not see how did we cause their misery.
It probably has something to do with the fact that most of the African soil is not really fertile. And that most natives still live in their tribes and by their old traditions, not willing to accept our way of life.
> All those billions who slaved, and still suffer, und
Nah...
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I'm a Croat, and we are not radicalized Islamists. We're Roman Catholic.
I can assure you that no mad arab Islamists want to kill us. Perhaps it is a different situation about USA, but that happened only because of US politics and warmongery.
So far, radical Muslims only struck on countries which invaded or helped invade Iraq, Afganistan or other countries.
As a matter of fact, my uncle works in the Croatian oil company, INA. He worked on drills in many countries, including Russia (in Syberia, to be precise), USA, Canada, and most recently Syria, which is of course "full of radicalized Islamists".
Guess what? Of all those countries, he was best received in Syria. Although he was a westener, people were kind to him and treated him with respect. They only could not stand Americans.
Catbeller is right. You brought this upon yourselves, mostly by listening to such propaganda. If you were to quit such tactics, you would find terrorist threat to be *much* lower.
And about US soldiers in Iraq, and what they are doing, here's a nice link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_a
This is not a flaming attempt. This is a wake-up call.
Hmm... Bad memory then. Yup, I remember this pthread_create() from my C lessons... Many years ago.
:)
I'm currently programming in C# (pays my bills)... So I don't remember everything.
Anyway, thx. I stand corrected
Erm...
Fork spawns a new thread in a current process. It does not spawn a new process.