According to whois the person at Micros~1 who will receive that email is Carolyn Gudmundson, assuming she still works for bill after this... he is known for a very low tolerance of mistakes after all....
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you're missing the point here... this is aimed at people who already have 390s, lots of them, for legitimate bussiness reasons. They have some extra cycles (or can easily upgrade a system to get some) and want to migrate an existing application or one they wrote in house from an overloaded PC to there trusted mainframe.
There is also the geek factor... IBMers are geeks first and foremost, especially the engineers, there have been a number of projects that came out of both research and development that were started by a much of engineers sitting around at lunch talking about how cool it would be to do X, or sitting in boring meetings with managers dreaming about how cool it would be to do X (ya know, standard geek stuff...). So they do it on a weekend or after hours and it gets going and works and they bring in a few geek co-workers and talk about it and eventually a manager hears about it and says "we can market this." Then a bunch of managers rub their heads together and figure out a plan and PRESTO you've got a product with no declared bussiness use, but the geeks of the world will find it and put it to use in their projects and eventually someone will come up with a bussiness use.
the sun classes are still proprietary, yeah you can read the source to most of them by unziping src.zip, but there are a LOT outside the java.* tree. Not to mention that there are none of the native implementations provided, so you can't rebuild the libs. Also the sheer frustration of trying to get something fixed in the sun code... you can go look at their source, and find the problem, and fix the problem... but then what? open a bug on the parade? even if you supply the fix the odds are it will never be accepted - and you aren't allowed to give that fixed class to anyone.... There was a gal back in jdk 1.1.4 time frame that had to include in her readme the directions to patch two of sun's awt classes so that her program would even work. That's pathetic. That's why we need an OSS impl of the core java classes.
before you go paying for that info check with noaa, they have free weather stats on an ftp server updated hourly by the nws. It's METAR code in an ascii flat file... I'm sure you can write a dtd to parse it. Most of the data you're looking for is probably available from the government for free. There are also places to get watches and warnings, special info, sunrise/sunset, etc... that's your tax dollars at work. (note: they have to collect this info anyway for the FAA and other groups in the government, now they also give it away for free on the net.) Actually in some places I swear this is where the weather channel gets their data from.
it's already happening... go take a look at the story awhile back about etoys and etoy, someone sugested it and a lot of people joined in. I would if I was actually shopping for toys.... This one on amazon though is certainly one I'll be joining; right after one last visit to rescue the list of ISBNs in my shoping cart.
while I agree with your comments about everyone making things fit into 640 width, I see that you're page is just as guilty about assuming what size type will come out.
A general rule of thumb is that all dimensions should either be set in pixels or left to flow by points. Never mix the two.
At 640 your central column bleeds into the slashdot green nav column, at 1600 it's vice versa. The new version is made even worse by the fixed width frameset; "Destinations", "thock.com", and "Adventures" all spilled out of the frame's width and require scrolling to read. I won't even go into the blue on slashdot green issue since that's already been brought up....
As long as people forget (or don't know) that HTML is a markup language, not a page definition language, we will continue to see some of the hideous travesties of design that are the mark of today's "Web Designers". (I'm not talking about thock.com here, the internal @Home web pages are far more like what I'm talking about... too bad NT's screen capture facility doesn't work under SMP with my video card drivers; I'd post some screen shots to show what I mean.;)
Jake, As both a software engineer and an audio engineer I must admit I am HIGHLY tempted by this position, actually I was back when it was first posted on your site (almost as soon as opensource.creative went live wasn't it?) I'm also a long time Creative SoundBlaster customer... in fact I still use my original SB16Pro, my SBAwe32 and my SBLive! Three out of four sound cards I've ever owned came from you. (the fourth was an MWAVE in a thinkpad... not much choice there;) As a geek I've always had rather cutting edge hardware in my hands and as such I can say with some certainty that the people implementing your drivers have never understood multithreading - infact NONE of these cards performs flawlessly under NT on a multi processor machine no matter how current the drivers - this is one reason why I'm pleased to see the rapid progress being made on the Linux drivers. Because of this belief I am even more attracted to a chance to work with your developers; assuming of course that they do not hold the same opinion of customers that the support people at creative obviously do.
All that being the case I'm happy where I'm at. (or maybe I'm just crazy;)
I would however like to present an idea for your consideration: All work on the drivers and the GUIs need to be seperate and distinct; with a clean, public, documented interface between the two. They should be distinct entities. I say this because I know of NO ONE who likes and uses your GUIs. There were over 50 people in a group I formerly belongged to who used creative cards, and not a single one of them could tolerate the creative programs for more than a couple days after installing a new driver package. By providing a clear break between them you allow other developers to interface into your cards and take full advantage of the awesome capabilities you develop in hardware. It seems to be that Creative has an incredible talent in the hardware realm, but the software side just can't match it. So what. Those of us in the OSS community can and will if you'll let us.
[...]
I just read this in review mode and it sounds a lot more negative than intended, please understand that I perfer creative boards to the competition; however, realize also that as an professional engineer in both senses I have an amazingly low tollerance for bad design or function. Example: update a point realse of the drivers and all of a sudden the output gain control disapears and the level is hard coded at 4x. Example: removing a source from the speaker positioning mutes the channel rather than removes the 3D effect. Example: the presets for environmental audio configurations (just down right frustrating). If it wasn't so late I could probably go on... all the way back to the dos drivers for the SB16Pro. If you give me the interfaces, then I'll implement my own controls, and they'll look something like a Soundcraft Venue board and be wired by a virtual patch panel.;) -=Chris
... without cluttering up the display? That's the design deliema.
Here's an idea... a small icon - perhaps a pile of gold coins - that's no more than a twenty or so pixels high, placed after the authors name anytime they post a story needing the disclaimer. It would of course be a link to the actual disclaimer just like the text today, and the alt text would be the textual disclaimer as used today.
why does everyone assume that this will lead to a bio-engineered race!! can't people see that it just might, just maybe be used to cure disease and all other kinds of ailments.
and just how the hell do you think you're going to cure a genetic disease except for bio-engineering?
you both missed the point here... the layered "memory" buys you the ability to have a huge amount of L1 cache at chip speed on the same wafer. after that screw L2... just jump straight to main memory across the fat memory bus someone really needs to cram down Intel's throat (not RAMbus). Imagine a chip like the athlon - in a socket mount, the way god intended - with the kinds of cache you see in PIII Xeons or s/390's G6s (and then some) at chip speed without that whole cartridge gimick.
other applications may include chips with huge register banks, or taking the TLBs and layering them into half the space. it also allows every chip to have it's own cache built right in... think about other than the CPU: gfx chips, dsp, comm controlers, network pumps (think about the i820).
yeah lay off, it's great stuff... just ask the Minnesota highway department! They heat 'em up and spread them on the roads every winter to keep the Idiots Out Driving Around* from ending up in a ditch... not to mention the locals**. Post*** makes great road agregate.
*The 20th century finally caught up with Iowa . . . they're out driving now instead of wandering.
**If you think Iowans and New Yorkers are bad drivers then you've never seen Minnesotans... especially the natives. eeh gads!
except that people who have a natural two have it because other people who have moderation think that these people tend to make good posts and that other people might be more interested in reading their future posts than they would be in reading the inate ramblings of a habitual first poster that always gets offtopic'd or a 3733t hax0r füvvα that trolls in AC mode all day.
you've proven an ability to post good material, enjoy that trust while you can, just don't abuse it.
the alternative of course is cutting those few people off completely... our @Home AUP says that they have the right to cut you off if you impact other users. I suspect a group of guys in the apartment complex down the road will be cut off very soon because they use the cable modem plant as if it was their own private ethernet... it isn't uncommon at night to see the segment saturated with IPX and NetBIOS traffic between their computers; that single cable plant is shared by a quarter of the city.
Your example of the multimedia folks would have certainly been booted off @Home.
ok... I'm going to stand up and admit to some ignorance here... can someone please relate the british monetary system to the illustrious "pound sterling" reported on the financials . . . PLEASE! what is a pence? and a ukp? and even though it isn't involved here... quid? I've been reading more and more discusions of british money and every one of them seems to introduce some new term that I'm going to have to guess is modern slang.
as turnabout and to explain what I mean here is the American system in terms of the US Dollar.
a penny (slang: a copper) is a one cent piece and is worth 0.01 USD; making it the smallest monetary unit off-line. a nickel is a five cent piece; a dime is ten cents, and a quarter (more recent slang: a silver) is twenty five cents; making four quarters equal to 1.00 USD. These are all common coins. less common coins are the half dollar (old slang: a slug) at fifty cents and the silver dollar at one dollar; the silver dollar was more recently reissued as the Susan B. Anthony Dollar and was a dismal flop in terms of public acceptance. There are more gimics in progress, like commemerative state quarters (I've got all five so far!) and a "gold dollar"...
Curency comes in 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 500, 1000, 5000, 10,000, and 100,000 USD bills; officially they're Treasury Reserve Notes - and they're all the same ugly green. The one dollar bill is also called a buck, a green back, and a skin (all slang, in order of decreasing commonality). The two dollar bill is rare. The five dollar bill is called a spot in some circles, a spot is a ten dollar bill in others. slang for the hundred USD bill is a 'C' note, while 1000 USD is a grand or 'G'. most bills have a president pictured on the front so they often go by the name of the president... a Franklin is a hundred, a Grant is fifty, a Jackson or an Andy Jackson is twenty, Hamilton is a ten, Lincoln a five, Jefferson is two, a Washington is one dollar. bills larger than 500 USD are no longer printed and being removed from circulation, with some of the real big ones never having been publicly circulated.
ok, y'all got the point.... for those that really want to know more the US Treasury and US Mint are both using president Gore's invention.
the last hand me down tube I got has one of those... a friend who works for sony as an engineer looked at it and fiddled with the magnets for about twenty minutes before telling me it was burn in from being left on without a signal for most of it's life... she says nothing could be done since the phosphorus on the inside of the tube is chemically degraded. like you said... works ok in text mode; I gave mine to netware server farm where I'm told it still gets used every now and again.
does any one else have visions of the IBM tv ad about the guy in the support group that says they had this great idea... they got all kinds of publiclity (substitutite/. for the superbowl comercial) they were going to be huge... but they forgot to warn the web guys... and the site crashed.
Actually the difficulties here wouldn't be technical at all. You're correct in that the lion's share of the work is in translating the tax code into directions simple enough a computer would understand, but in the US at least this is already done for you by the IRS... actually they take it a step farther and translate the tax code into directions any idiot with a GED can understand. When I was in college I translated the 1040EZ and 540E (State of California) forms into Pascal in under a week for crying out loud.
No... the hard part about tax software isn't the code... it's the legalesee... who is Joe SixPack going to sue when GnuTax-1040 causes him to be audited? Can we get an addendum to the GPL that says if you use the results without verifying them then you use them at your own risk (oh... wait the wording on that reminded me... isn't there already a "use at your own risk" clause in the GPL?)
Another sticky situation is the trust aspect... are people going to trust us to not collect their personal info? Lately I'm not so sure they're going to trust anyone... OSS or not. ('cause even if they *can* read the source it doesn't mean they'll understand it.)
Being OSS also brings up another point... let's say you and I put out GnuTax and have correctly translated all the tables and formulary... then some 'leet haxor goes and patches it for something (say performance... or "privacy") and breaks the math... who's to blame? (I hate to think this way... but with something like this the blame game is going to be important... just ask Intuit's legal department).
well... just to be on topic I was going to translate this to french or something... but the poor server is slashdotted....
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According to whois the person at Micros~1 who will receive that email is Carolyn Gudmundson, assuming she still works for bill after this... he is known for a very low tolerance of mistakes after all....
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you're missing the point here... this is aimed at people who already have 390s, lots of them, for legitimate bussiness reasons. They have some extra cycles (or can easily upgrade a system to get some) and want to migrate an existing application or one they wrote in house from an overloaded PC to there trusted mainframe.
There is also the geek factor... IBMers are geeks first and foremost, especially the engineers, there have been a number of projects that came out of both research and development that were started by a much of engineers sitting around at lunch talking about how cool it would be to do X, or sitting in boring meetings with managers dreaming about how cool it would be to do X (ya know, standard geek stuff...). So they do it on a weekend or after hours and it gets going and works and they bring in a few geek co-workers and talk about it and eventually a manager hears about it and says "we can market this." Then a bunch of managers rub their heads together and figure out a plan and PRESTO you've got a product with no declared bussiness use, but the geeks of the world will find it and put it to use in their projects and eventually someone will come up with a bussiness use.
goto chips.ibm.com (their microelectronics site) and search for s390. The last link is the best.
Also check out the Blue Logic(TM) section for more one the technology that enables the G6 to reach 1600 MIPS.
the sun classes are still proprietary, yeah you can read the source to most of them by unziping src.zip, but there are a LOT outside the java.* tree. Not to mention that there are none of the native implementations provided, so you can't rebuild the libs. Also the sheer frustration of trying to get something fixed in the sun code... you can go look at their source, and find the problem, and fix the problem... but then what? open a bug on the parade? even if you supply the fix the odds are it will never be accepted - and you aren't allowed to give that fixed class to anyone.... There was a gal back in jdk 1.1.4 time frame that had to include in her readme the directions to patch two of sun's awt classes so that her program would even work. That's pathetic. That's why we need an OSS impl of the core java classes.
disclaimer: I'm not part of GNUClasspath.
before you go paying for that info check with noaa, they have free weather stats on an ftp server updated hourly by the nws. It's METAR code in an ascii flat file... I'm sure you can write a dtd to parse it. Most of the data you're looking for is probably available from the government for free. There are also places to get watches and warnings, special info, sunrise/sunset, etc... that's your tax dollars at work. (note: they have to collect this info anyway for the FAA and other groups in the government, now they also give it away for free on the net.) Actually in some places I swear this is where the weather channel gets their data from.
it's already happening... go take a look at the story awhile back about etoys and etoy, someone sugested it and a lot of people joined in. I would if I was actually shopping for toys.... This one on amazon though is certainly one I'll be joining; right after one last visit to rescue the list of ISBNs in my shoping cart.
while I agree with your comments about everyone making things fit into 640 width, I see that you're page is just as guilty about assuming what size type will come out.
;)
A general rule of thumb is that all dimensions should either be set in pixels or left to flow by points. Never mix the two.
At 640 your central column bleeds into the slashdot green nav column, at 1600 it's vice versa. The new version is made even worse by the fixed width frameset; "Destinations", "thock.com", and "Adventures" all spilled out of the frame's width and require scrolling to read. I won't even go into the blue on slashdot green issue since that's already been brought up....
As long as people forget (or don't know) that HTML is a markup language, not a page definition language, we will continue to see some of the hideous travesties of design that are the mark of today's "Web Designers". (I'm not talking about thock.com here, the internal @Home web pages are far more like what I'm talking about... too bad NT's screen capture facility doesn't work under SMP with my video card drivers; I'd post some screen shots to show what I mean.
Jake, ;) As a geek I've always had rather cutting edge hardware in my hands and as such I can say with some certainty that the people implementing your drivers have never understood multithreading - infact NONE of these cards performs flawlessly under NT on a multi processor machine no matter how current the drivers - this is one reason why I'm pleased to see the rapid progress being made on the Linux drivers. Because of this belief I am even more attracted to a chance to work with your developers; assuming of course that they do not hold the same opinion of customers that the support people at creative obviously do.
;)
;) -=Chris
As both a software engineer and an audio engineer I must admit I am HIGHLY tempted by this position, actually I was back when it was first posted on your site (almost as soon as opensource.creative went live wasn't it?) I'm also a long time Creative SoundBlaster customer... in fact I still use my original SB16Pro, my SBAwe32 and my SBLive! Three out of four sound cards I've ever owned came from you. (the fourth was an MWAVE in a thinkpad... not much choice there
All that being the case I'm happy where I'm at. (or maybe I'm just crazy
I would however like to present an idea for your consideration: All work on the drivers and the GUIs need to be seperate and distinct; with a clean, public, documented interface between the two. They should be distinct entities. I say this because I know of NO ONE who likes and uses your GUIs. There were over 50 people in a group I formerly belongged to who used creative cards, and not a single one of them could tolerate the creative programs for more than a couple days after installing a new driver package. By providing a clear break between them you allow other developers to interface into your cards and take full advantage of the awesome capabilities you develop in hardware. It seems to be that Creative has an incredible talent in the hardware realm, but the software side just can't match it. So what. Those of us in the OSS community can and will if you'll let us.
[...]
I just read this in review mode and it sounds a lot more negative than intended, please understand that I perfer creative boards to the competition; however, realize also that as an professional engineer in both senses I have an amazingly low tollerance for bad design or function. Example: update a point realse of the drivers and all of a sudden the output gain control disapears and the level is hard coded at 4x. Example: removing a source from the speaker positioning mutes the channel rather than removes the 3D effect. Example: the presets for environmental audio configurations (just down right frustrating). If it wasn't so late I could probably go on... all the way back to the dos drivers for the SB16Pro. If you give me the interfaces, then I'll implement my own controls, and they'll look something like a Soundcraft Venue board and be wired by a virtual patch panel.
... without cluttering up the display? That's the design deliema.
Here's an idea... a small icon - perhaps a pile of gold coins - that's no more than a twenty or so pixels high, placed after the authors name anytime they post a story needing the disclaimer. It would of course be a link to the actual disclaimer just like the text today, and the alt text would be the textual disclaimer as used today.
and just how the hell do you think you're going to cure a genetic disease except for bio-engineering?
take a look at jd (jikes debugger) on alphaworks.
Moore's original was 2 years, then it got revised to 18 to 24 months when the PC explosion drove the industry to try harder.
remember Moore is a geek like us... he works in binary:
if ( year == lastChange << 1 ) then ( performanc <<= 1 && ( size >>= 2 || capacity <<= 2 ) );
that day was several years ago.
as/400s use powerpc, rs/6000s use powerpc, there were some pc/servers that used it I think (with mca no less)
it's embeded in a lot of stuff... from game consoles to routers to airplanes
wasted as L3 cache? are you kidding??
you both missed the point here... the layered "memory" buys you the ability to have a huge amount of L1 cache at chip speed on the same wafer. after that screw L2... just jump straight to main memory across the fat memory bus someone really needs to cram down Intel's throat (not RAMbus). Imagine a chip like the athlon - in a socket mount, the way god intended - with the kinds of cache you see in PIII Xeons or s/390's G6s (and then some) at chip speed without that whole cartridge gimick.
other applications may include chips with huge register banks, or taking the TLBs and layering them into half the space. it also allows every chip to have it's own cache built right in... think about other than the CPU: gfx chips, dsp, comm controlers, network pumps (think about the i820).
yeah lay off, it's great stuff... just ask the Minnesota highway department! They heat 'em up and spread them on the roads every winter to keep the Idiots Out Driving Around* from ending up in a ditch... not to mention the locals**. Post*** makes great road agregate.
*The 20th century finally caught up with Iowa . . . they're out driving now instead of wandering.
**If you think Iowans and New Yorkers are bad drivers then you've never seen Minnesotans... especially the natives. eeh gads!
***not phillip-morris
except that people who have a natural two have it because other people who have moderation think that these people tend to make good posts and that other people might be more interested in reading their future posts than they would be in reading the inate ramblings of a habitual first poster that always gets offtopic'd or a 3733t hax0r füvvα that trolls in AC mode all day.
you've proven an ability to post good material, enjoy that trust while you can, just don't abuse it.
yes, it's very off topic; but if I had mod right now you'd find yourself with a +5 informative.
Thanks for clearing it up -=Chris
the alternative of course is cutting those few people off completely... our @Home AUP says that they have the right to cut you off if you impact other users. I suspect a group of guys in the apartment complex down the road will be cut off very soon because they use the cable modem plant as if it was their own private ethernet... it isn't uncommon at night to see the segment saturated with IPX and NetBIOS traffic between their computers; that single cable plant is shared by a quarter of the city.
Your example of the multimedia folks would have certainly been booted off @Home.
ok... I'm going to stand up and admit to some ignorance here... can someone please relate the british monetary system to the illustrious "pound sterling" reported on the financials . . . PLEASE! ... quid? I've been reading more and more discusions of british money and every one of them seems to introduce some new term that I'm going to have to guess is modern slang.
what is a pence? and a ukp? and even though it isn't involved here
as turnabout and to explain what I mean here is the American system in terms of the US Dollar.
a penny (slang: a copper) is a one cent piece and is worth 0.01 USD; making it the smallest monetary unit off-line. a nickel is a five cent piece; a dime is ten cents, and a quarter (more recent slang: a silver) is twenty five cents; making four quarters equal to 1.00 USD. These are all common coins. less common coins are the half dollar (old slang: a slug) at fifty cents and the silver dollar at one dollar; the silver dollar was more recently reissued as the Susan B. Anthony Dollar and was a dismal flop in terms of public acceptance. There are more gimics in progress, like commemerative state quarters (I've got all five so far!) and a "gold dollar"...
Curency comes in 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 500, 1000, 5000, 10,000, and 100,000 USD bills; officially they're Treasury Reserve Notes - and they're all the same ugly green. The one dollar bill is also called a buck, a green back, and a skin (all slang, in order of decreasing commonality). The two dollar bill is rare. The five dollar bill is called a spot in some circles, a spot is a ten dollar bill in others. slang for the hundred USD bill is a 'C' note, while 1000 USD is a grand or 'G'. most bills have a president pictured on the front so they often go by the name of the president... a Franklin is a hundred, a Grant is fifty, a Jackson or an Andy Jackson is twenty, Hamilton is a ten, Lincoln a five, Jefferson is two, a Washington is one dollar. bills larger than 500 USD are no longer printed and being removed from circulation, with some of the real big ones never having been publicly circulated.
ok, y'all got the point.... for those that really want to know more the US Treasury and US Mint are both using president Gore's invention.
the last hand me down tube I got has one of those... a friend who works for sony as an engineer looked at it and fiddled with the magnets for about twenty minutes before telling me it was burn in from being left on without a signal for most of it's life... she says nothing could be done since the phosphorus on the inside of the tube is chemically degraded. like you said... works ok in text mode; I gave mine to netware server farm where I'm told it still gets used every now and again.
this is the same story we reviewed five days ago... LITTERALLY THE SAME LINK!!!
does any one else have visions of the IBM tv ad about the guy in the support group that says they had this great idea... they got all kinds of publiclity (substitutite /. for the superbowl comercial) they were going to be huge... but they forgot to warn the web guys... and the site crashed.
bump-ba-dee-dumm-dup
"that was stupid dave...."
that old lady at the end just cracks me up....
easiest way is to leave it in plain old text mode and just type the HTML like you want it....
<a href="http://www.capalert.com">yada</a>
becomes
yada
was this one pass from english to something and back to english? or the full degenerative case of repeating until stability?
Actually the difficulties here wouldn't be technical at all. You're correct in that the lion's share of the work is in translating the tax code into directions simple enough a computer would understand, but in the US at least this is already done for you by the IRS... actually they take it a step farther and translate the tax code into directions any idiot with a GED can understand. When I was in college I translated the 1040EZ and 540E (State of California) forms into Pascal in under a week for crying out loud.
No... the hard part about tax software isn't the code... it's the legalesee... who is Joe SixPack going to sue when GnuTax-1040 causes him to be audited? Can we get an addendum to the GPL that says if you use the results without verifying them then you use them at your own risk (oh... wait the wording on that reminded me... isn't there already a "use at your own risk" clause in the GPL?)
Another sticky situation is the trust aspect... are people going to trust us to not collect their personal info? Lately I'm not so sure they're going to trust anyone... OSS or not. ('cause even if they *can* read the source it doesn't mean they'll understand it.)
Being OSS also brings up another point... let's say you and I put out GnuTax and have correctly translated all the tables and formulary... then some 'leet haxor goes and patches it for something (say performance... or "privacy") and breaks the math... who's to blame? (I hate to think this way... but with something like this the blame game is going to be important... just ask Intuit's legal department).
well... just to be on topic I was going to translate this to french or something... but the poor server is slashdotted....