so Newsweek did all the investigation and wrote the story for their dead tree based media, which Reuters reported on via their wire service, which cnn.com picked up and put on their web page, and then/. copied in a story reference. So the/. story is a report that cnn.com is blindly repeating a reuters wire story reporting on a newsweek article about ancient technology detecting stealth planes. And in so doing they used words written by Reuters to reference a cnn.com page containung a reuters report about a newsweek story.
One of my highschool journalism teachers used to have a phrase for that kind of reporting: inbread.
6.1 = cartman 6.0 = hedwig 5.2 = apollo 5.1 = manhattan 5.0 = hurricane 4.2 = biltmore 4.1 = vanderbilt 4.0 = colgate (not too sure about the number for these last two) 3.1? = the holloween release 3.0? = the mothers' day release
these seem to have a pattern within a release... 6.x are cartoon figures (Marc Ewing is marc@elmer-fudd.redhat.com and marc@tweety.redhat.com) 5.x were WWII fighter planes (Elliot Lee is sopwith@redhat.com) (also drinks) 4.x were industrialists? (also universities) 3.x were holidays
I'm sure there are more patterns not only in here, but also in the mapping of beta name to release name.
The message here was not a signature; in fact the signature is useless as a standalone piece of text. The message was: "need I say more?" Anyone who want to verify that I was the one to post that need only grab a copy of my public key and verify the message. If they're really paranoid then they'll do some leg work to verify the key is legit... through a network of trusted keys or offline or whatever. If it's important enough to both parties they will find a trusted connection to validate the keys used. People who are in danger of being impersonated - if they care about their image and understand crypto (torvalds@transmeta.com=0x449FA3AB; marc@redhat.com=0x251E09D1; nugget@distributed.net=0xE43C5FC3 for three examples off my key ring) - - then their public key is widely distributed and easily verified.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use
admitedly the layout of slashdot makes it more difficult to copy this out to verify it than it should... a link to retrieve the text of a comment/story as plain text (without the html formatting wrapper) would help a LOT (hint hint rob)
The post office analogy is not really very accurate when you really look closely at the problem. The program that dumps the headers out for you (an MTA: Mail Transfer Agent, such as sendmail) already accesses and parses the whole message... it HAS to. Said same program can pipe a copy of the headers to a file thereby keeping the "contaminated" part of the process (the one that reads your mail) in the program and the "prying eyes" part of the process (the postmaster trying to fix her network) seperate. (this of course assumes morals, competency and a whole bunch of other stuff.....)
A much better analogy is the telegram (don't laugh!) operated by the old school telegraph operators that could tap out a message without reading it... or better yet, an illeterate operator! If all you know how to do is transpose '---' to 'O' and vice-versa then it doesn't matter if I'm sending a love letter or a creditcard number.
The biggest refrain in this though is that if you want privacy you must encrypt. GnuPG or PGPi or if you must have someone to sue if it breaks... PGP.
or some kind of mixture... this might be "insigihtfully interesting troll that informs"
while insightful=3, interesting=1 would be "insightfully interesting" and insightful=1, interesting=3 would be "interestingly insightful" or would they be reversed?
both of you are basically trying to seperate the routing info needed to debug MTA problems from the contents of an email....
This seperation is already in place. per the RFC responsible for mail formating and stream protocol (eight hundred and something I think) the format of a message is:
From ???@??? [headers] [blank line] [body] .
where [headers] is zero to one headers of the form key=value, with second and higher lines of a multiline entry begining with a tab.
and [blank line] is defined as exactly that... an empty line. [body] then is whatever is in your email.
The top half of that, [headers] is the part needed for debugging; there are even scripts that will strip out everything except the headers for this very purpose. I think sendmail even has a configure option that will copy the headers of all messages to a log file.
Also, I'd think twice about running such a neo-Luddite movie, if I were an executive at a broadcast network. Wouldn't this increase the risk of the Script Kiddies attacking them?
not that I want to encourage them... but we can only hope.
cute ain't it... I've seen that little trick too. They claim it's cheaper to use the same MCM in variety of boxes and control the performance by software then it is to develop custom MCM for each configuration. I beleive them; and besides... "MIPS on Demand" is a damn cool concept.
and to really diverge... remember that in X the client-server division is backwards... that "regular old X-client" is really a server (ala XFree) providing GUI services to the window manager and other X clients you're running on the mainframe. But, again... why?:)
and the moderation of this thread is another trend that's developing... the moderators that marked the original comment "insightful" obviously didn't read the article either. of course then someone marked the second response as falimbait... which is true, but the comment was also 100% correct and thus hardly deserved to be a -1; and beign under that of course means that most of this conversation won't see the light of day.....
if it's actually a class action then the money would be divisible by everyone in the class (a lot more than 20 people) who claims it (usually far less than 100% of those elidgeable) and can prove it (usually most who claim) not the ones that filed the suit. That's the whole point of a class action suit.
damn near every LUG I've ever seen does demo days and install fests; they're all over the place. I've seen Redhat, Suse, and Caldera people show up at some, and there are ALWAYS people demoing SOMEHTING... from the guy showing off LinQuake and streaming mp3 to the gal painting a masterpiece in the Gimp. Not to mention the "my desktop is sexier than yours" competitions that always seem to break out....
marquette is in the milwaukee area right? a 30 second browse of linux.org found this lug: http://mlug.waukesha.tec.wi.us.
two dozen CDRs should just about cover it, that's about $25 today isn't it? I helped a guy in uni do this with 9Gb worth of his research data when he moved from NTFS to ext2fs (take a guess why;) in his case we had about 1.5Gb of space to work in so we used tar and bzip2 from cygnus to pack the data down into chunks just the right size for a CD, then did a comparison of the expanded data before nuking the original and moving on to the next chunk.
re the segates: yup, their SCSI is GOOD, I've a pair of 9GB Ultra2s in this box, good and fast, very stable... the IDE stuff they sell is second rate crap; I've had more failures with that stuff than I can count... to the point of actively advising people away from it.
as for WD, they buy platters from IBM (at least for "enterprise storage") infact they just built a plant here in Rochester a block away from IBM's platter manufacturing facility.
The deskstars are just incredible... but seem to me to be a bit hard to get ahold of... and expensive when you can. I would have prefered them to the Barracudas I put in my last machine, but I couldn't get any.
actaully CD-Rs really aren't "for ever" I've already had two fail... all I can say is keep them away from halogen lamps and sun light, even in the jewel case. I'd expect though that they'll last longer than you care about the data backed up on them.
to be fair these were very cheap CDRs for their time, (at 7.50 each back in the day) and they spent any time out of the drive in a verticle rack on my desk (lit by a halogen overhead lamp).
re the size of the Linux crowd vs the AIX crowd...
Well let's see... AIX is the desktop of most of IBM's engineers, designers, systems programmers, infrastructure developers, etc... it also provides the kiosk style office machines in their manufacturing plants via the netstation products. Notes is IBM's strategic collaboration platform. There are I suspect far more people in that first catagory around the world than there are seriously looking at Linux as a BUSINESS DESKTOP (not I'm not talking about home users because Notes is a business product). This provides a very large set of users that want notes on AIX; yet it died. On my site for example these people now are officially told to run Notes under a "windows client" called "wincenter" against a bank of Windows Terminal Server boxes. There are still hold outs like myself who run the native AIX client at a backlevel because it was the last version put into production level use.
Someone had it close awhile ago; they were killed due to lack of interest... not user interest, but mgmt interest.
Slashdot Mirror
so Newsweek did all the investigation and wrote the story for their dead tree based media, which Reuters reported on via their wire service, which cnn.com picked up and put on their web page, and then /. copied in a story reference. So the /. story is a report that cnn.com is blindly repeating a reuters wire story reporting on a newsweek article about ancient technology detecting stealth planes. And in so doing they used words written by Reuters to reference a cnn.com page containung a reuters report about a newsweek story.
One of my highschool journalism teachers used to have a phrase for that kind of reporting: inbread.
6.1 = cartman
6.0 = hedwig
5.2 = apollo
5.1 = manhattan
5.0 = hurricane
4.2 = biltmore
4.1 = vanderbilt
4.0 = colgate
(not too sure about the number for these last two)
3.1? = the holloween release
3.0? = the mothers' day release
these seem to have a pattern within a release... 6.x are cartoon figures (Marc Ewing is marc@elmer-fudd.redhat.com and marc@tweety.redhat.com)
5.x were WWII fighter planes (Elliot Lee is sopwith@redhat.com) (also drinks)
4.x were industrialists? (also universities)
3.x were holidays
I'm sure there are more patterns not only in here, but also in the mapping of beta name to release name.
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n hbr3CvUr4bUAoPuK
Hash: SHA1
apparently I do need to say more...
The message here was not a signature; in fact the signature is useless
as a standalone piece of text. The message was: "need I say more?"
Anyone who want to verify that I was the one to post that need
only grab a copy of my public key and verify the message. If they're
really paranoid then they'll do some leg work to verify the key is
legit... through a network of trusted keys or offline or whatever. If
it's important enough to both parties they will find a trusted
connection to validate the keys used. People who are in danger of
being impersonated - if they care about their image and understand
crypto (torvalds@transmeta.com=0x449FA3AB; marc@redhat.com=0x251E09D1;
nugget@distributed.net=0xE43C5FC3 for three examples off my key ring)
- - then their public key is widely distributed and easily verified.
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Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use
iQA/AwUBODywmJbuFrVpZ9bSEQK9bgCg2ZJpEPJqC2+gu+c
jLx/EOVd289UPpF7A5aAXUSU
=TGtE
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opps... good point.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
i IyWNsJX2D1UAn3j4
Hash: SHA1
need I say more?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use
iQA/AwUBODxtVJbuFrVpZ9bSEQLdKQCdHTC0cRO8tgwRHzS
EfaIDJ4tZDgqPb9O6z28Z3mP
=X8pF
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admitedly the layout of slashdot makes it more difficult to copy this out to verify it than it should... a link to retrieve the text of a comment/story as plain text (without the html formatting wrapper) would help a LOT (hint hint rob)
The post office analogy is not really very accurate when you really look closely at the problem. The program that dumps the headers out for you (an MTA: Mail Transfer Agent, such as sendmail) already accesses and parses the whole message... it HAS to. Said same program can pipe a copy of the headers to a file thereby keeping the "contaminated" part of the process (the one that reads your mail) in the program and the "prying eyes" part of the process (the postmaster trying to fix her network) seperate. (this of course assumes morals, competency and a whole bunch of other stuff.....)
A much better analogy is the telegram (don't laugh!) operated by the old school telegraph operators that could tap out a message without reading it... or better yet, an illeterate operator! If all you know how to do is transpose '---' to 'O' and vice-versa then it doesn't matter if I'm sending a love letter or a creditcard number.
The biggest refrain in this though is that if you want privacy you must encrypt . GnuPG or PGPi or if you must have someone to sue if it breaks... PGP.
or some kind of mixture... this might be "insigihtfully interesting troll that informs"
while insightful=3, interesting=1 would be "insightfully interesting" and insightful=1, interesting=3 would be "interestingly insightful" or would they be reversed?
both of you are basically trying to seperate the routing info needed to debug MTA problems from the contents of an email....
This seperation is already in place. per the RFC responsible for mail formating and stream protocol (eight hundred and something I think) the format of a message is:
From ???@???
[headers]
[blank line]
[body]
.
where [headers] is zero to one headers of the form key=value, with second and higher lines of a multiline entry begining with a tab.
and [blank line] is defined as exactly that... an empty line. [body] then is whatever is in your email.
The top half of that, [headers] is the part needed for debugging; there are even scripts that will strip out everything except the headers for this very purpose. I think sendmail even has a configure option that will copy the headers of all messages to a log file.
idiot #1: "The chinese have night lights?"
idiot #2: "Yeah, and the bomb too."
OK, I'm off topic - deal with it.
Did anyone else follow the link to china daily?
This is a highlight?
not that I want to encourage them... but we can only hope.
cute ain't it... I've seen that little trick too. They claim it's cheaper to use the same MCM in variety of boxes and control the performance by software then it is to develop custom MCM for each configuration. I beleive them; and besides... "MIPS on Demand" is a damn cool concept.
:)
and to really diverge... remember that in X the client-server division is backwards... that "regular old X-client" is really a server (ala XFree) providing GUI services to the window manager and other X clients you're running on the mainframe. But, again... why?
actually they're up to the Power3 now... expect the Power4 to replace that sometime next year with it's awesome technology.
are you sure you aren't thinking about the AS/400? (hint: it isn't a mainframe.)
:)
the S/390 uses the G5 or G6 chips (be sure to check out the images link on the upper right... intel bunny suits eat your hearts out
the AS/400 uses a cousin of the PowerPC chip; and was in fact the first IBM product to use PowerPC based technology over five years ago.
the RS/6000s use PowerPC as well as PowerRS chips such as the Power4.
and the moderation of this thread is another trend that's developing... the moderators that marked the original comment "insightful" obviously didn't read the article either. of course then someone marked the second response as falimbait ... which is true, but the comment was also 100% correct and thus hardly deserved to be a -1; and beign under that of course means that most of this conversation won't see the light of day.....
if it's actually a class action then the money would be divisible by everyone in the class (a lot more than 20 people) who claims it (usually far less than 100% of those elidgeable) and can prove it (usually most who claim) not the ones that filed the suit. That's the whole point of a class action suit.
CoS has an intelligence agency that is second only to the FBI.
the FBI isn't an intelligence agancy... that's the CIA... the FBI is a law enforcement agency.
damn near every LUG I've ever seen does demo days and install fests; they're all over the place. I've seen Redhat, Suse, and Caldera people show up at some, and there are ALWAYS people demoing SOMEHTING... from the guy showing off LinQuake and streaming mp3 to the gal painting a masterpiece in the Gimp. Not to mention the "my desktop is sexier than yours" competitions that always seem to break out....
marquette is in the milwaukee area right? a 30 second browse of linux.org found this lug:
http://mlug.waukesha.tec.wi.us.
RadShack doesn't exactly have a clean reputation either... remember Tandy?
this has been linked from Redhat's news page since September.
two dozen CDRs should just about cover it, that's about $25 today isn't it? I helped a guy in uni do this with 9Gb worth of his research data when he moved from NTFS to ext2fs (take a guess why ;) in his case we had about 1.5Gb of space to work in so we used tar and bzip2 from cygnus to pack the data down into chunks just the right size for a CD, then did a comparison of the expanded data before nuking the original and moving on to the next chunk.
re the segates: yup, their SCSI is GOOD, I've a pair of 9GB Ultra2s in this box, good and fast, very stable... the IDE stuff they sell is second rate crap; I've had more failures with that stuff than I can count... to the point of actively advising people away from it.
as for WD, they buy platters from IBM (at least for "enterprise storage") infact they just built a plant here in Rochester a block away from IBM's platter manufacturing facility.
The deskstars are just incredible... but seem to me to be a bit hard to get ahold of... and expensive when you can. I would have prefered them to the Barracudas I put in my last machine, but I couldn't get any.
actaully CD-Rs really aren't "for ever" I've already had two fail... all I can say is keep them away from halogen lamps and sun light, even in the jewel case. I'd expect though that they'll last longer than you care about the data backed up on them.
to be fair these were very cheap CDRs for their time, (at 7.50 each back in the day) and they spent any time out of the drive in a verticle rack on my desk (lit by a halogen overhead lamp).
re the size of the Linux crowd vs the AIX crowd...
Well let's see... AIX is the desktop of most of IBM's engineers, designers, systems programmers, infrastructure developers, etc... it also provides the kiosk style office machines in their manufacturing plants via the netstation products. Notes is IBM's strategic collaboration platform. There are I suspect far more people in that first catagory around the world than there are seriously looking at Linux as a BUSINESS DESKTOP (not I'm not talking about home users because Notes is a business product). This provides a very large set of users that want notes on AIX; yet it died. On my site for example these people now are officially told to run Notes under a "windows client" called "wincenter" against a bank of Windows Terminal Server boxes. There are still hold outs like myself who run the native AIX client at a backlevel because it was the last version put into production level use.
Someone had it close awhile ago; they were killed due to lack of interest... not user interest, but mgmt interest.
opps... forgot the mac... ok, make that "killed off all *nix clients with r5"