Ok, and a secretary would be programming WHY?!?!?
You're obviously not a programmer, so why the hell
are you looking at a programming language? And
you're right, 99% of computer users are not developers
(drop the elite bullshit, being elite
has nothing to do with being able to code...) but
what the hell does that have to do with being able
to use applications written in Java? It's like
saying 'I don't understand C/C++ so I can't
use MS Windows'
BTW as a developer who's done C, C++, Objective-C,
Pascal, Cobol, Perl, and PHP I can say that Java
is one of the most straight-forward languages around...
Give me a fucking break... It is NOT unreasonable
to require an NDA if you're going to talk about
unannounced products.... hell the company I work
for does that an we're about as corporate as a
circus....
For example, no drug test, no fixed hours, we're
small enough that the CEO is about 50' from any
employee that wants to talk to him (and he will take time to talk to anybody)...
People need to relax... (and BTW I would never
work anywhere that requires drug tests or monitors
employees.. it's just plain wrong...)
The company I work for now requires an NDA at
interviews before discussing any detailed info
about unreleased products... it's not a big
deal...
And our 'prarnoia' is justified... several years
ago we were working on a product and word got back
to a LARGE company what it was... They immediately
announced a new product that would play the same
role and said they would give it away... well it
took them two years to release something, and when
they did it sucked, but it still destroyed any
hope of us selling our product which was ready at
the time of their announcement...
Define 'doing rather well'. Last I heard Palm was
still destroying CE in sales, with mostly outdated
hardware to boot... it'll be interesting to see
what happens when the StrongARM based Palms come
out...
Don't get me wrong. I love the hardware Wince has
driven to market, but I've used it and I've used
a Palm, and the Palm wins hands down...
I still love the 'noone is supporting KDE'. Nope,
nobody supports it at all, that's why it's got the
largest install base and is the default desktop on
Mandrake and ships with Suse, Redhat, and pretty
much every other linux distribution except for
Debian...
I love the IDEA of GNUStep.. however is seems to be missing a few key things... Progress on the project seems slow as hell, there are very few apps in existence or being created for it (compared to KDE/GNOME), and there is no themeability... If these things should change, I'd look at it in a heartbeat...
Of course the response to this is "you're a developer, why don't you help"
Yup, that's correct. Basically the native OS X API (Cocoa) is OpenStep, while Carbon is a compatibility layer to allow older Mac apps to compile on OS X. If you look at the class defs/ developer docs Cocoa is all OpenStep (in fact, all the class names still start with NS, which stands for, drumroll, NeXTStep).
This is why I was really confused when someone started spouting off a while ago that OS X wasn't being based on NeXTStep.
Yes, KDE 2.0 uses a component architecture... haven't looked at nautilus much, but basically the way KDE 2.0 and Konqueror works is that pretty much everything is a component.
This is a quote from an interview with Mosfet (one of the KDE 2.0 developers)
"The main difference is now KDE2 is heavily component based, focusing of the browser. All of the KOffice applications (KWord, KPresenter KIllustrator, KSpread, KImageShop, KIllustrator, KChart, and KFormula) as well as many other KDE applications such as the PS/PDF viewer, mpeg and image viewers, and DVI viewers are all components now - internet transparent and embeddable in the browser. You can even embed the terminal application in the browser and change directories using the arrow buttons;-) Pretty cool. KDE easily boasts the most extensive and complete component model support for Unix desktops."
And most importantly, from browsing the site for a few moments it appears there will finally be a version of gcc for QNX available for DL as well... QNX has been available in one form or another for free for awhile... Now that we can get dev tools without shelling out $$$ the real fun should begin.
Actually, I think it would just have to be too stuborn, as you can get a pentium system for $100 or less (I know, I just picked up 2 IBM P133 systems to fill out some specific functions on my home network)
IBM developed the copper interconnect technology... however there is currently no commercially available chip that uses it... I believe they're saying the Crusoe will be the first commercially available chip using the technology...
Kind of like sourceforge does? Sorry, if they want to do it it's cool... and I'm sure from Andover's point of view anything that draws more hits is good... but it just seems like kind of a waste of time... especially if they're rolling their own tools since sourceforge open sourced theirs...
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Ok, and a secretary would be programming WHY?!?!? You're obviously not a programmer, so why the hell are you looking at a programming language? And you're right, 99% of computer users are not developers (drop the elite bullshit, being elite has nothing to do with being able to code...) but what the hell does that have to do with being able to use applications written in Java? It's like saying 'I don't understand C/C++ so I can't use MS Windows'
BTW as a developer who's done C, C++, Objective-C, Pascal, Cobol, Perl, and PHP I can say that Java is one of the most straight-forward languages around...
.technomancer
Give me a fucking break... It is NOT unreasonable
to require an NDA if you're going to talk about
unannounced products.... hell the company I work
for does that an we're about as corporate as a
circus....
For example, no drug test, no fixed hours, we're
small enough that the CEO is about 50' from any
employee that wants to talk to him (and he will take time to talk to anybody)...
People need to relax... (and BTW I would never
work anywhere that requires drug tests or monitors
employees.. it's just plain wrong...)
.technomancer
The company I work for now requires an NDA at
interviews before discussing any detailed info
about unreleased products... it's not a big
deal...
And our 'prarnoia' is justified... several years
ago we were working on a product and word got back
to a LARGE company what it was... They immediately
announced a new product that would play the same
role and said they would give it away... well it
took them two years to release something, and when
they did it sucked, but it still destroyed any
hope of us selling our product which was ready at
the time of their announcement...
.technomancer
Define 'doing rather well'. Last I heard Palm was
still destroying CE in sales, with mostly outdated
hardware to boot... it'll be interesting to see
what happens when the StrongARM based Palms come
out...
Don't get me wrong. I love the hardware Wince has
driven to market, but I've used it and I've used
a Palm, and the Palm wins hands down...
.technomancer
Actually, the Sony Picturebooks are small... check
out sony's site and look at one... they're kind
of like a Libretto on steroids...
.technomancer
I still love the 'noone is supporting KDE'. Nope,
nobody supports it at all, that's why it's got the
largest install base and is the default desktop on
Mandrake and ships with Suse, Redhat, and pretty
much every other linux distribution except for
Debian...
I love the IDEA of GNUStep.. however is seems to be missing a few key things... Progress on the project seems slow as hell, there are very few apps in existence or being created for it (compared to KDE/GNOME), and there is no themeability... If these things should change, I'd look at it in a heartbeat...
Of course the response to this is "you're a developer, why don't you help"
.technomancer
One can hope so... Quicktime is one of the few
things that I miss when using linux....
.technomancer
Yup, that's correct. Basically the native OS X
API (Cocoa) is OpenStep, while Carbon is a compatibility layer to allow older Mac apps to
compile on OS X. If you look at the class defs/
developer docs Cocoa is all OpenStep (in fact, all
the class names still start with NS, which stands
for, drumroll, NeXTStep).
This is why I was really confused when someone started spouting off a while ago that OS X wasn't being based on NeXTStep.
.technomancer
Unfortunately, mpeg encoder cards are insanely
expensive... been there, looked at that, decided
it wasn't worth it.
.technomancer
Hey, that's bull... wait a minute, my wife uses a Mac DOAH!
.technomancer
I kinda' doubt it... have you looked at Apple's sales figures recently?
.technomancer
This is almost unbelievable... Government is
threatening business to do something that half
makes sense...
Hmmm... I think you'll like this. Take a look at Freenet.
.technomancer
Yes, KDE 2.0 uses a component architecture... haven't looked at nautilus much, but basically the way KDE 2.0 and Konqueror works is that pretty much everything is a component.
This is a quote from an interview with Mosfet (one of the KDE 2.0 developers)
"The main difference is now KDE2 is heavily component based, focusing of the browser. All of the KOffice applications (KWord, KPresenter KIllustrator, KSpread, KImageShop, KIllustrator, KChart, and KFormula) as well as many other KDE applications such as the PS/PDF viewer, mpeg and image viewers, and DVI viewers are all components now - internet transparent and embeddable in the browser. You can even embed the terminal application in the browser and change directories using the arrow buttons ;-) Pretty cool. KDE easily boasts the most extensive and complete component model support for Unix desktops."
The interview is located here
.technomancer
I've been following the KDE 2.0 development
(which Konqueror is a part of) and from what
I've seen I would guess 2 to 3 months.
Note that this would put them within their
proposed time frame of a release in second
quarter.
.technomancer
And most importantly, from browsing the site for
a few moments it appears there will finally be a
version of gcc for QNX available for DL as well...
QNX has been available in one form or another
for free for awhile... Now that we can get dev
tools without shelling out $$$ the real fun should
begin.
.technomancer
.technomancer
Maybe as a jab at the fact that the crypt function used in their password system sucks =)
.technomancer
It was broken about a week ago... slashdot story is here
Actually, I think it would just have to be too
stuborn, as you can get a pentium system for $100
or less (I know, I just picked up 2 IBM P133
systems to fill out some specific functions on
my home network)
.technomancer
Downloading from redhat as I type this =)
IBM developed the copper interconnect technology...
however there is currently no
commercially available chip that uses it...
I believe they're saying the Crusoe will be
the first commercially available chip using
the technology...
Kind of like sourceforge does? Sorry, if they want
to do it it's cool... and I'm sure from Andover's
point of view anything that draws more hits is good... but it just seems like kind of a waste of time... especially if they're rolling their own tools since sourceforge open sourced theirs...
Ok, Macromedia actually has FAQs on their websites about this. For those that are interested:
Macromedia FAQs