According to ABC exit polls Obama LOST among white voters 55% to 43%. Watching the media talk as if Obama Walks on water for all voters is just plain incorrect. Obama lost by 12 percent among whites and that number was much higher in most non metropolitan areas of the country.
It is nice to see the media is color blind in all this. Every single Media outlet is copying the exact same words to describe everything about the Obama presidency. Come on this stuff has all happened before, but now because a black man is president everything is now "Historic". I thought we were not suppose to be judging people based on skin color alone? After all Obama is Half White, and was raised by White women. The only thing about him that is black is his skin color. The media has fallen all over this guy, and in the process they have failed to be objective. They have lost all credibility.
You are correct in who nominated these judges. But no doubt that the judges in the majority are the ones that lean left of center. This also shows the recent trend of some kind of litmus test for Judges on the Supreme court. The first Bush and Reagan didn't pick known far right judges as Clinton picked from the far left(Ginsburg).
McCain clearly said he would not apply a litmus test, Obama didn't clearly answer the question.
So after all out jobs are shipped out of this country, and the only employer is the Government, and other Industry in which Government pays all the bills (Health Care, etc) does that make us a slave to Government?
Obama will probably be putting up cameras here soon. He is after all in favor of a bigger stronger Federal Government with more control and regulations.
Don't forget it was the Leftist Judges on the Supreme court appointed by Clinton, etc that gave us eminent domain laws that say they can tear down your house to build a shopping mall. Obama has alluded he would appoint similar judges to those that Clinton appointed.
Wow, you would put up Carter as an example of Energy Policy? That is a joke right?
As for overall economic performance, Clinton did a great job of building the economy, He led the really stable.com boom and bust, He also spear headed the growth of great companies like Enron.
The GOP has only had clear control of the Senate for 2 years of the Bush Presidency. That was during the years right around 911, and there were other priorities at the time. You need control of both the Senate and House to be able to get legislation through. CRA reforms were also blocked by Democrats in Congress.
The cost of the Iraq War sits at 800 billion, which is less than the 800+ billion in new spending proposed by Obama. Iraq war spending will eventually go away, but the spending proposed by Obama will only grow because they are social programs that will be as hard to cut as Medicaid or Social Security.
I am still trying to figure out how Obama's trickle down plan works. The best I can tell is that the Government steals money from those who work and earn money and let it trickle down through 10 layers of Government until a trickle of money ends up in the hands of those who don't work and don't earn it.
How is taxing the top 5% of people going to stimulate the economy? Oh he is going to lower taxes on the middle class? I am middle class and I get back more than I pay in taxes. Under Obama I will be getting a welfare check disguised as an additional $500 tax return.
The top 5% pay 95% of the taxes in the US. Obama will lie to you with a straight face and tell you that if you make under $250,000 per year that his taxes will not affect you. It will affect you when he requires your employer to pay extra taxes, because you will not be getting a raise. It will affect you when corporations are taxed because you buy their products at the store. It will affect you when 100% of people are Government insured and then government has to start regulating what they will pay for and what your doctor can do.(Ask anyone on Medicaid, Medicare how much they like it. And then just wait until it is universal)
I don't know what Obama was smoking when he put his economic plan together, but come on. Even Bush had a better economic plan.
It should be more than just who represents your views, but also someone you can trust to tell you the truth.
Right now Conservatives don't trust McCain because you can tell he is lying through his teeth every time he vouches for something conservative that everyone knows he is against.
Obama has very good oral skills, but when I hear him lie with a straight face that scares me. I don't think we have seen as good a liar and politician as Obama in my life time.
So if you take Trust out of the election. Do you vote for the lying Liberal pretending to be Conservative or for the lying Liberal pretending to be moderate.
Either way the Liberals win this time around. McCain would not have been the Republican nominee if all states had closed their republican primaries to non registered republicans.
If we are going to have a liberal drag us down to socialism it just as well be a liberal from the Democrat party.
Liberals will always be the ones that screw up everything in the end because they are out of touch with reality, and History.
Bill Clinton ran the economy into the ground. It started 300 days before he left office. His policies are to blame:
Nafta and Gatt sent jobs out of the country.
CRA required banks to make bad loans
Enviromental policies against Drilling for Oil and Bulding Refineries
Now the Republicans are trying to be liberals and don't have the Guts to tell the American People that it is not Governments responsibility to provide Health Care, Welfare, etc.
The Economy had recovered under Bush, but how long can an economy stand without manufacturing jobs, and with laws requiring banks to make bad loans? Bush has only had clear control of the Senate for 2 years of his administration (during and right after 911). Bush tried to fix the CRA but was shot down by Democrats.
Bush also has not been much of a conservative when it comes to Federal Education spending, Medicare, etc.
Paul Krugman was an econimic consultant for Enron.(Nice job there) He also helped talk the Clinton Administration into "Free Trade." Maybe Krugman doesn't like the Bush Administration because they didn't listen to him like the Clinton administration did.
Sounds like you had to deal with bad insurance and bad health care facilities. I have had a much different experience with my insurance and health care provider. I think you will find that there are some bad health care providers that stay in business because most of their patients are paid for by either Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP or Insurance. None of which actually had to go into the hospital and get the procedure. Health Care in the US has gotten worse with increased Government say in the matter (since they pay for millions of patients every year)
More Government involvement in Health Care will make it that much worse.
First Bill Clinton ran the economy into the ground. It started 300 days before he left office. His policies are to blame:
Nafta and Gatt sent jobs out of the country.
CRA required banks to make bad loans
Enviromental policies against Drilling for Oil and Bulding Refineries
I have never been a McCain fan, and he has not gone conservative by any means. He is trying to promise people all the same things Obama is promising them without having enough Guts to tell the American People that it is not Governments responsibility to provide Health Care, Welfare, etc.
Hillary might just be a little more conservative than McCain.
The Economy had recovered under Bush, but how long can an economy stand without manufacturing jobs, and with laws requiring banks to make bad loans? Bush has only had clear control of the Senate for 2 years of his administration (during and right after 911). Bush tried to fix the CRA but was shot down by Democrats. Bush also has not been much of a conservative when it comes to Federal Education spending, Medicare, etc.
But given the current options, I would love to have 8 more years of Bush.
When Obama hands out Health insurance to 100% of the population the only way to control costs will be for the Government to mandate cost controls. They will have to say which procedures they will cover and which ones they won't. They will have to tell you which drugs they will buy and which ones they won't. They will tell the doctor which operations they will pay for and which ones they won't, and do you think a doctor is going to perform certain operations if he knows that the government will not pay for it? or will only allow him to charge a certain amount? In the end this will result in Hospitals, and Clinics that are cash only, made for the "Rich" and doctors don't have to cater to the mandates of a Government trying to keep the cost ofUniversal Healthcare from going through the roof.
I was just pointing out that Obama has not specified what he is going to cut. And as his record shows he consistently votes to spend more money.
Sure 4 billion in additional spending is not as much as a new aircraft carrier, but the point is also that the more troops you have a greater the need for Carriers, Tanks, housing, etc. So thank you for helping me make my point of how much extra it is going to cost to ad 92,000 troops to the armed forces. Any way you look at it this is not a cut.
The cost of the war in Iraq that was thrown out in the debate was 800 billion. Isn't that the same amount as the Government just put up to back the banks?
Obama's Health care program according to his numbers will cost $650,000,000,000 the first ten years. And after that it will be the next "social security." And will require Government to regulate costs for each procedure, etc.
Don't forget that defending our freedoms is the number one purpose of the Federal Government. And yet it is not the number one expenditure of the Federal Government. The largest expense in the Federal Government is Social Spending. How bad is it when in this country we spend more on people that don't work than on our Military.(And this was true before Bush so don't blame it on the Economy)
Leave welfare to Charitable organizations, religious groups, and communities. They get the job done with less waste, provide better service, and the Government does not have to forcibly steal from those who work to give to those that don't.
I have accepted that people deserve what they vote for.(Those that didn't vote also deserve what they didn't vote for) And everyone else is just screwed.
I also think McCain deserves what he is getting because he is the one that passed McCain-Feingold which gives more power to the Main Stream media to sway the election. It also limits the power of outside groups to run certain kinds of political advertisements within 60 days of an election. It also limits some revenues of campaign money, and Obama has raised tons more money than McCain.
McCain was my least favorite Republican Candidate in the primaries. Obama was among the worst Democrats running for president.
How bad is it when a Life long republican that hated the Clinton Years would rather have Hillary than any of the 2 candidates we have now?
And with those real issues to take into consideration when voting, people should ask:
With Government as screwed up as it is do I want to vote for the candidate that as a solution says Government needs to control and do more?
If the Federal Government can't even manage a war(And Defense is their main responsibility) then why should I trust them to manage parts of Government they have never managed before?
Do I want the same Government that screwed up in New Orleans to tell my doctor what procedures he can and cannot do if he wants the Government to pay up?
On Obama's website he says he is going to increase the number of overall soldiers in the armed services by 92,000. Personnel is one of the biggest expenses in just about anything, and in the armed forces you have to pay for their Benefits(Their insurance costs more than normal), Equipment, Travel, Housing, etc.
so just Salary alone 92,000 X $40,000(best guess average) = $3,680,000,000 per year not counting all the other expense which could easily double that number.
With everyone as upset as they are with the last 8 years of a Republican in the presidency, you would think that Obama would be blowing his Republican challenger out of the water. Especially when die hard Republicans don't even like McCain. I think in a way Obama scares everyone except the extreme left.
The largest expenditure of the Federal Government is Social Spending. According to Obama's website he is going to increase every form of social spending by Billions of dollars. His Health program alone will be Trillions of dollars. When Health care is a "Right" that means it should be provided for everyone. Who is going to pay for it? Government protects our "rights" and so by Obama's logic Government will protect/manage our Health Care "right". Even if you Trust Obama to run Health Care(which I don't), He will not be the only future President we have. In the future they will be talking about Obama's Health Care the way we talk about Social Security now.
Taxes will not have to be raised if spending is cut. Raising taxes will hurt an already hurting economy. Obama's plan to tax the top 5% will hurt the economy even more. You cannot tax the economy into growth. Taxes paid to Government = money taken out of the economy run through the bureaucracy and then trickle back into the economy.
Either way neither candidate has a good plan to fix the economy, but Obama is the one candidate that never says no to anybody when it comes to spending. Just look at his web page, He wants to spend more money on every issue.
The total spend on Iraq to this point 800 Billion. and Obama says he wants to add 92,000 additional soldiers.
92,000 X $40,000(est. annual cost) = 3,680,000,000
I don't think Obama will cut spending, he has voted for just about every spending bill he has had the chance to vote for. He has not said specifically what he will cut.
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According to ABC exit polls Obama LOST among white voters 55% to 43%. Watching the media talk as if Obama Walks on water for all voters is just plain incorrect. Obama lost by 12 percent among whites and that number was much higher in most non metropolitan areas of the country.
It is nice to see the media is color blind in all this. Every single Media outlet is copying the exact same words to describe everything about the Obama presidency. Come on this stuff has all happened before, but now because a black man is president everything is now "Historic". I thought we were not suppose to be judging people based on skin color alone? After all Obama is Half White, and was raised by White women. The only thing about him that is black is his skin color. The media has fallen all over this guy, and in the process they have failed to be objective. They have lost all credibility.
Obama + much higher taxes for Corporations = less money to donate to open source projects
Does being "one dimensional" qualify me to be part of the main stream media?
Oh wait I am not a former Clinton political advisor like George so I am not able to work for ABC and call all 4 debates for the Democrats.
You are correct in who nominated these judges. But no doubt that the judges in the majority are the ones that lean left of center. This also shows the recent trend of some kind of litmus test for Judges on the Supreme court. The first Bush and Reagan didn't pick known far right judges as Clinton picked from the far left(Ginsburg).
McCain clearly said he would not apply a litmus test, Obama didn't clearly answer the question.
So after all out jobs are shipped out of this country, and the only employer is the Government, and other Industry in which Government pays all the bills (Health Care, etc) does that make us a slave to Government?
Obama will probably be putting up cameras here soon. He is after all in favor of a bigger stronger Federal Government with more control and regulations.
Don't forget it was the Leftist Judges on the Supreme court appointed by Clinton, etc that gave us eminent domain laws that say they can tear down your house to build a shopping mall. Obama has alluded he would appoint similar judges to those that Clinton appointed.
Wow, you would put up Carter as an example of Energy Policy? That is a joke right?
As for overall economic performance, Clinton did a great job of building the economy, He led the really stable .com boom and bust, He also spear headed the growth of great companies like Enron.
The GOP has only had clear control of the Senate for 2 years of the Bush Presidency. That was during the years right around 911, and there were other priorities at the time. You need control of both the Senate and House to be able to get legislation through. CRA reforms were also blocked by Democrats in Congress.
The cost of the Iraq War sits at 800 billion, which is less than the 800+ billion in new spending proposed by Obama. Iraq war spending will eventually go away, but the spending proposed by Obama will only grow because they are social programs that will be as hard to cut as Medicaid or Social Security.
I am still trying to figure out how Obama's trickle down plan works. The best I can tell is that the Government steals money from those who work and earn money and let it trickle down through 10 layers of Government until a trickle of money ends up in the hands of those who don't work and don't earn it.
How is taxing the top 5% of people going to stimulate the economy? Oh he is going to lower taxes on the middle class? I am middle class and I get back more than I pay in taxes. Under Obama I will be getting a welfare check disguised as an additional $500 tax return.
The top 5% pay 95% of the taxes in the US. Obama will lie to you with a straight face and tell you that if you make under $250,000 per year that his taxes will not affect you. It will affect you when he requires your employer to pay extra taxes, because you will not be getting a raise. It will affect you when corporations are taxed because you buy their products at the store. It will affect you when 100% of people are Government insured and then government has to start regulating what they will pay for and what your doctor can do.(Ask anyone on Medicaid, Medicare how much they like it. And then just wait until it is universal)
I don't know what Obama was smoking when he put his economic plan together, but come on. Even Bush had a better economic plan.
It should be more than just who represents your views, but also someone you can trust to tell you the truth.
Right now Conservatives don't trust McCain because you can tell he is lying through his teeth every time he vouches for something conservative that everyone knows he is against.
Obama has very good oral skills, but when I hear him lie with a straight face that scares me. I don't think we have seen as good a liar and politician as Obama in my life time.
So if you take Trust out of the election. Do you vote for the lying Liberal pretending to be Conservative or for the lying Liberal pretending to be moderate.
Either way the Liberals win this time around. McCain would not have been the Republican nominee if all states had closed their republican primaries to non registered republicans.
If we are going to have a liberal drag us down to socialism it just as well be a liberal from the Democrat party.
Liberals will always be the ones that screw up everything in the end because they are out of touch with reality, and History.
Bill Clinton ran the economy into the ground. It started 300 days before he left office. His policies are to blame:
Nafta and Gatt sent jobs out of the country.
CRA required banks to make bad loans
Enviromental policies against Drilling for Oil and Bulding Refineries
Now the Republicans are trying to be liberals and don't have the Guts to tell the American People that it is not Governments responsibility to provide Health Care, Welfare, etc.
The Economy had recovered under Bush, but how long can an economy stand without manufacturing jobs, and with laws requiring banks to make bad loans? Bush has only had clear control of the Senate for 2 years of his administration (during and right after 911). Bush tried to fix the CRA but was shot down by Democrats.
Bush also has not been much of a conservative when it comes to Federal Education spending, Medicare, etc.
Paul Krugman was an econimic consultant for Enron.(Nice job there) He also helped talk the Clinton Administration into "Free Trade." Maybe Krugman doesn't like the Bush Administration because they didn't listen to him like the Clinton administration did.
Sounds like you had to deal with bad insurance and bad health care facilities. I have had a much different experience with my insurance and health care provider. I think you will find that there are some bad health care providers that stay in business because most of their patients are paid for by either Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP or Insurance. None of which actually had to go into the hospital and get the procedure. Health Care in the US has gotten worse with increased Government say in the matter (since they pay for millions of patients every year)
More Government involvement in Health Care will make it that much worse.
First Bill Clinton ran the economy into the ground. It started 300 days before he left office. His policies are to blame:
Nafta and Gatt sent jobs out of the country.
CRA required banks to make bad loans
Enviromental policies against Drilling for Oil and Bulding Refineries
I have never been a McCain fan, and he has not gone conservative by any means. He is trying to promise people all the same things Obama is promising them without having enough Guts to tell the American People that it is not Governments responsibility to provide Health Care, Welfare, etc.
Hillary might just be a little more conservative than McCain.
The Economy had recovered under Bush, but how long can an economy stand without manufacturing jobs, and with laws requiring banks to make bad loans? Bush has only had clear control of the Senate for 2 years of his administration (during and right after 911). Bush tried to fix the CRA but was shot down by Democrats. Bush also has not been much of a conservative when it comes to Federal Education spending, Medicare, etc.
But given the current options, I would love to have 8 more years of Bush.
Exactly!
When Obama hands out Health insurance to 100% of the population the only way to control costs will be for the Government to mandate cost controls. They will have to say which procedures they will cover and which ones they won't. They will have to tell you which drugs they will buy and which ones they won't. They will tell the doctor which operations they will pay for and which ones they won't, and do you think a doctor is going to perform certain operations if he knows that the government will not pay for it? or will only allow him to charge a certain amount? In the end this will result in Hospitals, and Clinics that are cash only, made for the "Rich" and doctors don't have to cater to the mandates of a Government trying to keep the cost ofUniversal Healthcare from going through the roof.
I was just pointing out that Obama has not specified what he is going to cut. And as his record shows he consistently votes to spend more money.
Sure 4 billion in additional spending is not as much as a new aircraft carrier, but the point is also that the more troops you have a greater the need for Carriers, Tanks, housing, etc. So thank you for helping me make my point of how much extra it is going to cost to ad 92,000 troops to the armed forces. Any way you look at it this is not a cut.
The cost of the war in Iraq that was thrown out in the debate was 800 billion. Isn't that the same amount as the Government just put up to back the banks?
Obama's Health care program according to his numbers will cost $650,000,000,000 the first ten years. And after that it will be the next "social security." And will require Government to regulate costs for each procedure, etc.
Don't forget that defending our freedoms is the number one purpose of the Federal Government. And yet it is not the number one expenditure of the Federal Government. The largest expense in the Federal Government is Social Spending. How bad is it when in this country we spend more on people that don't work than on our Military.(And this was true before Bush so don't blame it on the Economy)
Leave welfare to Charitable organizations, religious groups, and communities. They get the job done with less waste, provide better service, and the Government does not have to forcibly steal from those who work to give to those that don't.
I have accepted that people deserve what they vote for.(Those that didn't vote also deserve what they didn't vote for) And everyone else is just screwed.
I also think McCain deserves what he is getting because he is the one that passed McCain-Feingold which gives more power to the Main Stream media to sway the election. It also limits the power of outside groups to run certain kinds of political advertisements within 60 days of an election. It also limits some revenues of campaign money, and Obama has raised tons more money than McCain.
McCain was my least favorite Republican Candidate in the primaries. Obama was among the worst Democrats running for president.
How bad is it when a Life long republican that hated the Clinton Years would rather have Hillary than any of the 2 candidates we have now?
Exactly! Obama will be in charge of policy when he wins.
Obama on Health Care:
"You will be assimilated", Barack Obama, January 2009
Obama on the personal freedom:
"You will be assimilated", Barack Obama, January 2009
Obama on Education:
"You will be assimilated", Barack Obama, January 2009
Obama on Taxes:
"You will be assimilated", Barack Obama, January 2009
True,
I do believe however that Obama is trying to play towards the middle ground knowing that if he is to far to the left he will lose votes.
And with those real issues to take into consideration when voting, people should ask:
With Government as screwed up as it is do I want to vote for the candidate that as a solution says Government needs to control and do more?
If the Federal Government can't even manage a war(And Defense is their main responsibility) then why should I trust them to manage parts of Government they have never managed before?
Do I want the same Government that screwed up in New Orleans to tell my doctor what procedures he can and cannot do if he wants the Government to pay up?
On Obama's website he says he is going to increase the number of overall soldiers in the armed services by 92,000. Personnel is one of the biggest expenses in just about anything, and in the armed forces you have to pay for their Benefits(Their insurance costs more than normal), Equipment, Travel, Housing, etc.
so just Salary alone 92,000 X $40,000(best guess average) = $3,680,000,000 per year not counting all the other expense which could easily double that number.
Obama will always be called a liberal because he is.
McCain should never be called a conservative because he is not.
It does look like we will find out.
With everyone as upset as they are with the last 8 years of a Republican in the presidency, you would think that Obama would be blowing his Republican challenger out of the water. Especially when die hard Republicans don't even like McCain. I think in a way Obama scares everyone except the extreme left.
Sorry, I should have said watch out for the Used Car Salesman. FYI...His name is Obama
The largest expenditure of the Federal Government is Social Spending. According to Obama's website he is going to increase every form of social spending by Billions of dollars. His Health program alone will be Trillions of dollars. When Health care is a "Right" that means it should be provided for everyone. Who is going to pay for it? Government protects our "rights" and so by Obama's logic Government will protect/manage our Health Care "right". Even if you Trust Obama to run Health Care(which I don't), He will not be the only future President we have. In the future they will be talking about Obama's Health Care the way we talk about Social Security now.
Taxes will not have to be raised if spending is cut. Raising taxes will hurt an already hurting economy. Obama's plan to tax the top 5% will hurt the economy even more. You cannot tax the economy into growth. Taxes paid to Government = money taken out of the economy run through the bureaucracy and then trickle back into the economy.
Either way neither candidate has a good plan to fix the economy, but Obama is the one candidate that never says no to anybody when it comes to spending. Just look at his web page, He wants to spend more money on every issue.
This may be non-news. But I still think that Obama has more Spam coming out of his mouth than any other candidate.
You have to be careful with those slick snake oil salesman.
The total spend on Iraq to this point 800 Billion. and Obama says he wants to add 92,000 additional soldiers.
92,000 X $40,000(est. annual cost) = 3,680,000,000
I don't think Obama will cut spending, he has voted for just about every spending bill he has had the chance to vote for. He has not said specifically what he will cut.