They get people to like them by seeming like a whistleblower site and then they focus in on the devil/American empire, giving the identities of critical intelligence sources to the whole world.
I mean even his next leak will be against Bank of America. I'm not a fan of Bank of America at all, but why is he only going after US interests? He even leaked cables which exposed intelligence sources around the globe. Assange is not a force for good, he does not realize that his leaks hurt the very civilians he claims to be fighting for.
The political elites are rich, powerful, and wont be harmed if there is a world war. They wont be harmed if thousands of intelligence sources are tracked down.
Robert Hansen did something similar. The only difference is Hansen did it on purpose while Assange does not seem to have a clue what the consequences of his actions are. Or he's just trying to protect his own ass and is throwing intelligence sources under the bus. His behavior exposing intelligence sources like this and his inability to properly defend his own intelligence sources, lead me to believe hes completely rogue.
Intelligence sources are being put at risk by these leaks. Julian Assange claims to care about civilians but he leaks documents that can get people killed? Why? To solve what?
The world is not made safer. Nothing in these cables are worth the loss of civilian life. These cables don't prevent a war with Iran or North Korea, they make war much more likely.
3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services company includes an insulation division that may be in competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside" information on many other Iranian issues (including comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery construction) that does not relate to his private interests in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be affiliated. Based on the information provided by source (currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End Note.
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services company includes an insulation division that may be in competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside" information on many other Iranian issues (including comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery construction) that does not relate to his private interests in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be affiliated. Based on the information provided by source (currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End Note. http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services company includes an insulation division that may be in competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside" information on many other Iranian issues (including comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery construction) that does not relate to his private interests in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be affiliated. Based on the information provided by source (currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End Note. http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services company includes an insulation division that may be in competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside" information on many other Iranian issues (including comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery construction) that does not relate to his private interests in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be affiliated. Based on the information provided by source (currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End Note. http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services company includes an insulation division that may be in competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside" information on many other Iranian issues (including comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery construction) that does not relate to his private interests in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be affiliated. Based on the information provided by source (currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End Note. http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
This all but names the intelligence source. How much more evidence do you need that Julian Assange is putting lives at risk? READ THE DOCUMENTS!
It does not matter if its a few hundred, a few thousand or a few million. The cable leaks reveal the identity of intelligence sources. These intelligence sources are innocent civilians whose lives are now in danger or ruined because of Assanges decision to leak.
In some cases their families lives are also ruined. Men, women and children who will have to change their identity and live on the run, or never see one another again, because foreign governments around the world now know they worked with the US government.
What did they ever do to Assange? If Assange's leaks theaten hundeds of lives then it's not worth it. I suspect these leaks cause even more damage because now people will be afraid to work with the US government and afraid to surrender out of fear that someday soon in the future Julian Assange will reveal their identity.
Revealing the identity of an intelligence source is one of the worst things you can ever do. It's one of the worst forms of snitching there is when you claim to be on the side of civilians then you have to be on the side of intelligence sources, not enemy combatants and soldiers.
Assange is making himself into an enemy combatant. He is passively assisting the enemy by revealing intelligence sources.
And if it's true that intelligence agencies around the world already know this and then some then it further diminishes the effectiveness of the intelligence agencies who wont be able to find anyone who will want to work with them. It will reach a point where people will rather die than work with US Intelligence.
They do already have all of those safeguards. The problem is that some security officer somewhere wasn't following required procedures....that person's head is going to seriously roll.
Isn't time just infinite cycles? I don't understand his point. Time itself is just the measurement of infinite change in states. The universe is infinite because it expands as we measure it, just like Pi.
Why would the CIA want to neutralize Assange? He obviously works for them. Did you forget the changes Obama made? Putting the CIA in the back seat and the military in the front? This is all just the result of some internal power struggle.
Assange probably works for Austrlian intelligence. Didn't you read the article where Australian intelligence tipped him off?
There is a problem with the original strategy as anounced, if they release the documents, they only create trouble for themselves. Consequently, they can't make a credible threat to release the information, since that would only hurt them.
If they were smart, they cutted all that information on chuncks, to release if the US government tries something (like character assassination, for example). That way, after they release the first chunk they'd have a credible threat against the US government, and then, they would be protected.
Wouldn't that make the USA classify them as enemy combatants/terrorists?
The KGB is the FSB these days, I believe (more or less).
And yeah, they will find a creative way of killing you - whether it's stabbing you with a poisoned umbrella, or poisoning you slowly so you die from radiation sickness, in excruciating agony...lol.
It's kind of funny, all these silly DOWN WITH THE US IMPERIALIST jokers going around about how evil the US is - if the US were actually half as evil as you say they are, and half the cock-brained conspiracies you talk about were true, then you'd probably be lying in a shallow unmarked grave somewhere instead of ranting on like you do.
Whilst I may not agree with the recent US administrations and their various actions as such, I'm hardly gullible enough to think it's part of some far-reaching global conspiracy for world domination.
Most of what they've done has been fairly reactionary:
Afghanistan: Ok, so you bomb the WTO and kill a few thousand, we'll come over and hunt you down, and oust the government that gave you sanctuary and thumbed their noses at us.
Iraq: Ok, so you've been goading us for the past decade to give you aid, and blackmailing us with alleged WMDs - now we're fed us, we're going to come over and oust you.
Whilst neither actions may have been the wisest in terms of short-term regional stability (or fidicuary duty, for that matter - the US is plouging moutains of cash into this), it's hardly a global conspiracy - it's more a case of, you keep on throwing rocks at a dog, eventually it'll get up and bite you. Idiots.
And the Wikileaks people are a bit of a joke, at the moment.
Firstly, their alleged "war diaries" were nothing more than public domain knowledge, covering a rife of friendly-fire incidents, and well-document US military screw-ups. Sorry, but this is war - and if you're going to to retarded things - like driving *into* a US vs. insurgents firefight, you can expect to cop some flak. The lengths to which people will go to defend some obvious stupidity astounds me.
And Julian Assange seems to trying to cement his reputation as an attention-seeking little boy. I (and most people) don't know what really happened with the whole "rape" allegation, but based on his antics in the press, and his past history, whilst I seriously doubt he actually raped somebody, I don't have much trouble believing he's an arrogant little twat who probably overstepped the bounds of decency with a few girls. It's hardly like he's actually denied sleeping with them, he's just denied actually outright raping them. Poetic justice, if there ever was any.
Cheers, Victor
That is because Julian Assange speaks english and has been all over the US media. If he did not speak english and was not white, he would probably be dead right now.
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They get people to like them by seeming like a whistleblower site and then they focus in on the devil/American empire, giving the identities of critical intelligence sources to the whole world.
I mean even his next leak will be against Bank of America. I'm not a fan of Bank of America at all, but why is he only going after US interests? He even leaked cables which exposed intelligence sources around the globe. Assange is not a force for good, he does not realize that his leaks hurt the very civilians he claims to be fighting for.
The political elites are rich, powerful, and wont be harmed if there is a world war. They wont be harmed if thousands of intelligence sources are tracked down.
Robert Hansen did something similar. The only difference is Hansen did it on purpose while Assange does not seem to have a clue what the consequences of his actions are. Or he's just trying to protect his own ass and is throwing intelligence sources under the bus. His behavior exposing intelligence sources like this and his inability to properly defend his own intelligence sources, lead me to believe hes completely rogue.
Just read this:
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/03/09BAKU179.html
Intelligence sources are being put at risk by these leaks. Julian Assange claims to care about civilians but he leaks documents that can get people killed? Why? To solve what?
The world is not made safer. Nothing in these cables are worth the loss of civilian life. These cables don't prevent a war with Iran or North Korea, they make war much more likely.
How do you separate one from another? Really, how do you? And who should judge which is which?
And that is against the rules regardless of what side you are on. The rule is do not harm civilians.
He has lost all credibility with me. Wikileaks needs to remove Julian Assange or fork the project.
Here is the Proof
3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a
prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a
large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing
champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing
Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports
association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten
years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the
Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services
company includes an insulation division that may be in
competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside"
information on many other Iranian issues (including
comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery
construction) that does not relate to his private interests
in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies
with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be
affiliated. Based on the information provided by source
(currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one
possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End
Note.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/03/09BAKU179.html
You can thank Julian Assange for this.
No, thank the embassy personnel playing spy and violating all rules of Operational Security.
Really? Putting the information and the personally indentifying information on the informant in the very same document?
Mart
Maybe thats why the document was classified
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a
prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a
large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing
champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing
Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports
association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten
years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the
Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services
company includes an insulation division that may be in
competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside"
information on many other Iranian issues (including
comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery
construction) that does not relate to his private interests
in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies
with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be
affiliated. Based on the information provided by source
(currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one
possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End
Note.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a
prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a
large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing
champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing
Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports
association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten
years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the
Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services
company includes an insulation division that may be in
competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside"
information on many other Iranian issues (including
comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery
construction) that does not relate to his private interests
in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies
with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be
affiliated. Based on the information provided by source
(currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one
possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End
Note.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a
prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a
large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing
champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing
Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports
association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten
years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the
Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services
company includes an insulation division that may be in
competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside"
information on many other Iranian issues (including
comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery
construction) that does not relate to his private interests
in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies
with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be
affiliated. Based on the information provided by source
(currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one
possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End
Note.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/03/09BAKU179.html
Thank your hero Julian Assange for putting this businessmans life at risk.
I don't know how you can be any more specific.
"3. (S) The Baku businessman is a UK-educated engineer from a
prominent Pre-Revolution Isfahan family, and formerly owned a
large factory in Iran. He is a former national fencing
champion of Iran. former President of the Iran Fencing
Association, and Vice-President of an Azerbaijan sports
association. He has been based in Baku for more than ten
years, working primarily as a sub-contractor to BP and the
Cape Industrial Services company. While his oil services
company includes an insulation division that may be in
competition with INSULTEC, source has provided "inside"
information on many other Iranian issues (including
comprehensive data on the status of new Iranian oil refinery
construction) that does not relate to his private interests
in any way.
4. (S) Note: A quick google check revealed several companies
with the name INSULTEC in the title - these may or not be
affiliated. Based on the information provided by source
(currently in Iran, where he frequently travels), one
possible candidate could be "INSULTEC Chitral Ltd." End
Note.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...09BAKU179.html
This all but names the intelligence source. How much more evidence do you need that Julian Assange is putting lives at risk? READ THE DOCUMENTS!
Yes theres 100,000 dead as a result of the war. Those 100,000 are mostly enemy combatants, terrorists, fighters, and some of them are civilians.
The people Julian Assange is putting are risk are 100% civilian. It's not the same.
It does not matter if its a few hundred, a few thousand or a few million. The cable leaks reveal the identity of intelligence sources. These intelligence sources are innocent civilians whose lives are now in danger or ruined because of Assanges decision to leak.
In some cases their families lives are also ruined. Men, women and children who will have to change their identity and live on the run, or never see one another again, because foreign governments around the world now know they worked with the US government.
What did they ever do to Assange? If Assange's leaks theaten hundeds of lives then it's not worth it. I suspect these leaks cause even more damage because now people will be afraid to work with the US government and afraid to surrender out of fear that someday soon in the future Julian Assange will reveal their identity.
Revealing the identity of an intelligence source is one of the worst things you can ever do. It's one of the worst forms of snitching there is when you claim to be on the side of civilians then you have to be on the side of intelligence sources, not enemy combatants and soldiers.
Assange is making himself into an enemy combatant. He is passively assisting the enemy by revealing intelligence sources.
And if it's true that intelligence agencies around the world already know this and then some then it further diminishes the effectiveness of the intelligence agencies who wont be able to find anyone who will want to work with them. It will reach a point where people will rather die than work with US Intelligence.
They do already have all of those safeguards. The problem is that some security officer somewhere wasn't following required procedures....that person's head is going to seriously roll.
How do we know that person wasnt in on it?
Isn't time just infinite cycles?
I don't understand his point. Time itself is just the measurement of infinite change in states. The universe is infinite because it expands as we measure it, just like Pi.
Why would the CIA want to neutralize Assange? He obviously works for them. Did you forget the changes Obama made? Putting the CIA in the back seat and the military in the front? This is all just the result of some internal power struggle.
Assange probably works for Austrlian intelligence. Didn't you read the article where Australian intelligence tipped him off?
There is a problem with the original strategy as anounced, if they release the documents, they only create trouble for themselves. Consequently, they can't make a credible threat to release the information, since that would only hurt them.
If they were smart, they cutted all that information on chuncks, to release if the US government tries something (like character assassination, for example). That way, after they release the first chunk they'd have a credible threat against the US government, and then, they would be protected.
Wouldn't that make the USA classify them as enemy combatants/terrorists?
heya,
The KGB is the FSB these days, I believe (more or less).
And yeah, they will find a creative way of killing you - whether it's stabbing you with a poisoned umbrella, or poisoning you slowly so you die from radiation sickness, in excruciating agony...lol.
It's kind of funny, all these silly DOWN WITH THE US IMPERIALIST jokers going around about how evil the US is - if the US were actually half as evil as you say they are, and half the cock-brained conspiracies you talk about were true, then you'd probably be lying in a shallow unmarked grave somewhere instead of ranting on like you do.
Whilst I may not agree with the recent US administrations and their various actions as such, I'm hardly gullible enough to think it's part of some far-reaching global conspiracy for world domination.
Most of what they've done has been fairly reactionary:
Afghanistan: Ok, so you bomb the WTO and kill a few thousand, we'll come over and hunt you down, and oust the government that gave you sanctuary and thumbed their noses at us.
Iraq: Ok, so you've been goading us for the past decade to give you aid, and blackmailing us with alleged WMDs - now we're fed us, we're going to come over and oust you.
Whilst neither actions may have been the wisest in terms of short-term regional stability (or fidicuary duty, for that matter - the US is plouging moutains of cash into this), it's hardly a global conspiracy - it's more a case of, you keep on throwing rocks at a dog, eventually it'll get up and bite you. Idiots.
And the Wikileaks people are a bit of a joke, at the moment.
Firstly, their alleged "war diaries" were nothing more than public domain knowledge, covering a rife of friendly-fire incidents, and well-document US military screw-ups. Sorry, but this is war - and if you're going to to retarded things - like driving *into* a US vs. insurgents firefight, you can expect to cop some flak. The lengths to which people will go to defend some obvious stupidity astounds me.
And Julian Assange seems to trying to cement his reputation as an attention-seeking little boy. I (and most people) don't know what really happened with the whole "rape" allegation, but based on his antics in the press, and his past history, whilst I seriously doubt he actually raped somebody, I don't have much trouble believing he's an arrogant little twat who probably overstepped the bounds of decency with a few girls. It's hardly like he's actually denied sleeping with them, he's just denied actually outright raping them. Poetic justice, if there ever was any.
Cheers,
Victor
That is because Julian Assange speaks english and has been all over the US media. If he did not speak english and was not white, he would probably be dead right now.
You can be certain that they'd give warnings long before that would happen. So I'm sure Julian Assange knows this better than anyone.
No the CIA or KGB would not have to kill Assange. They both have sneaky mechanisms to neutralize people they don't like.
If he releases something like that hes just going to take his situation from bad to worse.
And they all have code breakers, this includes the CIA and FBI.
Despite all this clever wording, Americans do not outlive Brits in the vast majority of cases.
USA - Male life expectancy 75.6 years, female 80.8 years.
UK - Male life expectancy 77.2 years, female 81.6 years.
Notice how one set of numbers are larger than the others.
This tells you a lot about statistics. It can be fudged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman
At least 250 people died at the hands of this one man. Did they take that into account when considering these statistics?
Not to sound cruel, but at 87 years old she was expected to die any day any minute.
It's starting to look that way.