About the box: PIII 450 128M Voodoo3AGP running (woefully) Win98. About the ball: Mozilla M15 (from:ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/r eleases/m15/) Build 2000041805 a 5339K download without the talkback client.
Impressions: [1] Downloading the program is fast. Getting a browser, mail and news in under 6M (1254 files), is impressive.
[2] click Mozilla.exe --> open browser == 11 seconds. Cool.
[3] Moving my mouse along the pull down menus, considerable lag when I hover over bookmarks (prolly from the 985 bookmarks:).
[4] Pulled down QA and loded the smoke tests. all OK.
[5] Loaded the aphrodite skin. The GO button is a few pixels to low on the tool bar but, It all works well.
[6] Loaded the Sullivan skin. The back ground color looks like something changed. M15 has a darker grey than the background on the buttons.
[7] Loaded xml.com Alert: "the connection was refused when attempting to contact adforce.imgis.com". There's a dialog for every time an image doesn't load. had to press OK 8 times.
[8] Fast...ohmygod fast. Loaded the Jargon file v4.2.0 Jargon.html file from my local drive (2.16M) and saw it on the screen in less than 2 seconds!
[9] Clean interface, standards compliant, and ohmygod fast.
[10] My best regards to the entire Mozilla team and to all that help them with this wonderfull platform. Your quality work shows in all that you do. To those of you who have been waiting for a working browser before you start your mozilla development project . ..come and get it! ! ___
Re:Funny how everyone gets all uptight if someone copies a bit of source code here or there, but then turns around and fires up Napster or Gnutella without thinking twice.
I have one foot in each field you mention (programer by day, musician by night), and I have to say you couldn't be more right.
A mason respects a solid foundry. A pilot respects a well built plane. Each person respects the work done by others in a related field, but may lack an apreciation for things they don't understand.
Some programers may view music as a series of acoustical waves combined in such a way as to elicit an emotion. Some musicians may view programs as a bunch of buttons on a screen combined in such a way as to get a task done. While both are technicly correct, each fails to see the art in the other, and thus, they lack the respect that prevents copying. ___
Look for Sony to offer them direct of the net with a legal disclaimer that reads: "I live in the us and won't return my PS/2 to japan in the form of a cruise missle".
The wierdest stuff I've heard is fan fiction writers trying to sue the show when bits of their stories turn up on the show... I bet someone could write a pretty good generative x-files plot generator to write a few hundred x-files plot synopses, and then just wait until their big chance to score:)
Well, If we see natalie portman pour grits down her pants in "Star Wars Episode II"/. has a case for prior art.;)
From the article: "Swiss Re New Markets, another equity stake holder, has stepped up to cover liabilities for companies who buy intellectual property that goes sour."
Dear Plx, Regarding the amazon one-click item you sold me last week. One click!? pfffft yea right. I've clicked repeatedly and no books have appeared. I look forward to you're prompt handling of my complaint. Regards, John Q. Public
On another note: Any company that would willingly put content on-line in .ppt format can't have all their oars in the water. ___
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i think this topic sucks [because i might lose more money] but oh ok ill post it but you people suck anyway", and "lets mark as 'troll' or 'offtopic' anything about a possible conflict of interest", thats completely against the ideals of a free-discussion community.
You're speaking as if the moderators have a plan. The moderators are you and me. Most do *not* have a vested interest in any company. Each may have his or her own agenda, but it is hardly a united front. ___
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Re: Slashdot is a terrific creation of his but its grown into something much more than his personal . . blah blah blah
1) The net is a big place. 2) You can post and read any content you want.
I agree that/. is a wonderfull creation and has opened a lot of peoples eyes to things that would never get coverage in the mainstream press. The fact that Rob chose to post this story is testimant to how open he is to all expression, no matter how vile or discusting. In fact,/. has gone out of the way to embrace and accomidate all opinions.
One final note: If you happen to bump a bee hive and get stung, you deserve to be angry at the bee. If you continually, day after day, bash the bee hive with a stick, you not only deserve every sting you get, but you also deserve a slap from the bee keeper. ___
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Wasn't Star Wars around 1976? So that would have been who, Ford? Carter? You bring up a good point, regarding Star Wars and the release date. My intention was to show how and why the media dubed it "star wars" instead of SDI (Strategic Defence Initiative). I may be off on when Star Wars was at it's peak, but I'm sure about it being a Reagan thing. He even showed animations of these little lasers in space shooting down enemy MIRVs as they came down. History has shown it to be a driving force behind getting Gorby (the Russians) to the table to negotiate and is a classic example of (successfull) dissinformation on the grandest scale. ___
After reading a few papers on the site, one can conclude that:
A)They can do all this stuff now. or B)They want to do this stuff in the future.
If it is A, I'm reminded of president Regan and his use of "Star Wars" technology as a negotiation tool. For those to young to remember, when the Star Wars movie was at the height of it's popularity, the president went on national television and proposed "laser beams in space" to intercept long range balistic missiles before re-entry, and deployed billions into fruitless research. Of course, at the time none of this was even in the relm of possibility, but the russians didn't know that.
This forced the Russians to funnel enourmous funds into similar (impossible) research in order to assure their people that they would be safe. In the end. the Russians (Gorby) came to the negotiating table begging the US not to deploy the system. This proved to be a wonderful negotiating tool to ask the russians for concessions.
If it is B it forces other countries to move funds into pursuing a "global network" to try to match these capabilities (that may just be pie in the sky dreams).
Either way it's (Score 5:Interesting) for the US. ___
A snippet from the article:Access to space will be available to any country that can pay for it. Most countries will be on the same technological level in the war-fighting arena. With the technological edge diminished, the US must focus on developing ways to best gather and distribute vital information; on a global scale, in near real time.
another blurb: ... . by providing the "God's eye view" commanders have always longed for, it would bring about a revolution in the manner in which forces are managed.
All they want is god like powers?! Is *that* all?!?! ___
PeterM makes a wonderfull point about this companies intention to place their system in GEO orbit. If you're curiuos about just how high a GOES is, check out This NASA page showing all the satellites whizzing around the 3rd rock (you can even see the Iridium sats on a LEO). Once the applet is loded, click and drag your mouse around to get an idea on how high in the sky a lot of items are.
The other thing I would add is that the 250ms latenncy is only the physical layer. If you add on the rest of the networking required for data to reach a wireless device, it won't be uncomon to see 500ms or more. ___
I've been using a PalmV with 8M of storage and I love it. To answer your question about content, the answer is Yes, and a lot of it.
First of all, I synced my Palm with our companies mailing list and it slurped up all 5498 contacts (addresses, names, details about each acount) with one push of the sync button. Very kewl
Using AvantGo (www.avantgo.com the software and service are free when you buy the thing) When my PDA is synced with the desktop, it goes out onto the net and puts the sites I would like into the avantogo browser for later reading. There are some sites with spacific content dedicated to the Palm screen, but even if the content isn't optimized for the small screen, avantgo does a good job to make sure the page "degrade gracefully" so that the content is still viewable.
One of the nicer things is you can add whatever website you would like to view. Using this feature, we now have a team of salesman who, on their drive into work, can be more educated and informed while they make phone calls (they used to have to wait till they got to the office to get answers).
I'm not even mentioning the wireless modem from OmniSky or the many choices for GPS. In short, 2 thumbs up! ___
I took a moment to look up more information on Bluetooth From the FAQ: Q: What is the range of Bluetooth transmitter/receivers?
Bluetooth is designed for very low power use, and the transmission range will only be 10m, about 30ft. High-powered Bluetooth devices will enable ranges up to 100m (300ft). Considering the design philosophy behind Bluetooth, even the 10m range is adequate for the purposes Bluetooth is intended for. Later versions of the Bluetooth spec may allow longer ranges.
Given the range limitations noted above, I find it doubtfull that bluetooth can be employed as a wide area access solution. I think bluetooth will be a replacement for the IR port, and may help get rid of the sync cradle, but it is hardly a "confirm the-fedex-shipment-from-the-back-of-a-cab" kinda thing. ___
Re:Is this a response to RIM's new blackberry pager?
From the article: "Palm is now in a situation where they have a direct competitor (RIM) which has a technological advantage over them," said Matt Sargent, a handheld analyst with ARS. "This makes huge sense for Palm." ___
I've been useing a PalmV 8meg for about 6 months now and I have to say, I love it. I'm very happy to see the Palm OS beating ms to market and stepping out ahead of the pack.
a quote from the article: In the relatively near future, Palm will market versions of the Palm III and the Palm V that contain built-in capabilities for wireless communications. These new products could contain all the technology necessary for direct wireless communications, or they might contain Bluetooth chips. Bluetooth chips are radios that allow devices to hook into networks without wires.
This sounds like it may help get rid of the sync cradle, but is it really a solution for wide area access? ___
Let's not loose focus. micros~1 has been delt a serious blow with the FOF and the FOL in the anti-trust case they're fighting. The remedy phase of the case is coming soon and then the appeals will begin. The key thing to remember here is that ms is still fighting this.
Fighting with an almost inexaustable supply of money. Fighting with time on their side (every day they delay, more peecees ship with IE). The focus should remain on ms anti-competitive tactics. Ms should be made to suffer for it's decisions to use it's monopoly to stomp all comers.
Then, and only then, will a message be sent to other companies (AOL included) that the tactics that ms uses will not be tolerated.
yea... It is funny, isn't it? I often thought that there should be some content reviewer giving points for propoganda.
I always found MSs press releases to be the most shameless. "... empowering users to simply and easily [do a thing] with just one mouse click..blah blah blah".
Never a word about standards. Never a word about reliability. Never a word about conectivity. Never a word about compatibility.
And when pressed on these points, the standard answer seems to be "it's the most standard" "it's the most compatible" "it's has the best conectivity" or some other contentless blurb.
"Mr. Case said: "Our next-generation Netscape 6 browser will provide consumers and businesses with exciting new opportunities to enjoy the full energy and versatility of the interactive medium" anywhere, anytime and any way they want.
If this doesn't score a (Score-1 Propoganda) nothing does.
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PIII 450 128M Voodoo3AGP running (woefully) Win98.
About the ball:
Mozilla M15 (from:ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/r eleases/m15/) Build 2000041805 a 5339K download without the talkback client.
Impressions:
[1] Downloading the program is fast. Getting a browser, mail and news in under 6M (1254 files), is impressive.
[2] click Mozilla.exe --> open browser == 11 seconds. Cool.
[3] Moving my mouse along the pull down menus, considerable lag when I hover over bookmarks (prolly from the 985 bookmarks:).
[4] Pulled down QA and loded the smoke tests. all OK.
[5] Loaded the aphrodite skin. The GO button is a few pixels to low on the tool bar but, It all works well.
[6] Loaded the Sullivan skin. The back ground color looks like something changed. M15 has a darker grey than the background on the buttons.
[7] Loaded xml.com Alert: "the connection was refused when attempting to contact adforce.imgis.com". There's a dialog for every time an image doesn't load. had to press OK 8 times.
[8] Fast...ohmygod fast. Loaded the Jargon file v4.2.0 Jargon.html file from my local drive (2.16M) and saw it on the screen in less than 2 seconds!
[9] Clean interface, standards compliant, and ohmygod fast.
[10] My best regards to the entire Mozilla team and to all that help them with this wonderfull platform. Your quality work shows in all that you do. To those of you who have been waiting for a working browser before you start your mozilla development project . . .come and get it! !
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I have one foot in each field you mention (programer by day, musician by night), and I have to say you couldn't be more right.
A mason respects a solid foundry. A pilot respects a well built plane. Each person respects the work done by others in a related field, but may lack an apreciation for things they don't understand.
Some programers may view music as a series of acoustical waves combined in such a way as to elicit an emotion. Some musicians may view programs as a bunch of buttons on a screen combined in such a way as to get a task done. While both are technicly correct, each fails to see the art in the other, and thus, they lack the respect that prevents copying.
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Look for Sony to offer them direct of the net with a legal disclaimer that reads: "I live in the us and won't return my PS/2 to japan in the form of a cruise missle".
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Well, If we see natalie portman pour grits down her pants in "Star Wars Episode II" /. has a case for prior art. ;)
Remember folks, you heard it here on /. first.
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Dear Plx,
Regarding the amazon one-click item you sold me last week. One click!? pfffft yea right. I've clicked repeatedly and no books have appeared. I look forward to you're prompt handling of my complaint.
Regards,
John Q. Public
On another note: Any company that would willingly put content on-line in .ppt format can't have all their oars in the water.
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You're speaking as if the moderators have a plan. The moderators are you and me. Most do *not* have a vested interest in any company. Each may have his or her own agenda, but it is hardly a united front.
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IANAL used 4 times
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The closest wins a /. baseball hat
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1) The net is a big place.
2) You can post and read any content you want.
I agree that /. is a wonderfull creation and has opened a lot of peoples eyes to things that would never get coverage in the mainstream press. The fact that Rob chose to post this story is testimant to how open he is to all expression, no matter how vile or discusting. In fact, /. has gone out of the way to embrace and accomidate all opinions.
One final note: If you happen to bump a bee hive and get stung, you deserve to be angry at the bee. If you continually, day after day, bash the bee hive with a stick, you not only deserve every sting you get, but you also deserve a slap from the bee keeper.
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1 Cisco Eclipses Microsoft As 'Most Valuable Company' by timothy on 02:07 PM -- Sunday March 26 2000 CST 249
2 3Com Spinning Off US Robotics by Hemos on 08:15 AM -- Tuesday March 21 2000 CST 80
3 Net Firms Running Out Of Cash? by Hemos on 10:57 PM -- Monday March 20 2000 CST 197
4 The Implications Of Knowledge Work by timothy on 02:43 AM -- Monday March 20 2000 CST 139
5 Secrets of Software Success: Management Insights from 100 Software Firms by Hemos on 09:40 AM -- Thursday February 24 2000 CST 71
6 What are Share Options Worth? by Cliff on 06:37 AM -- Saturday January 15 2000 CST 126
7 What's the Best Online Financial Solution? by Cliff on 01:25 PM -- Wednesday January 05 2000 CST 151
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Wasn't Star Wars around 1976? So that would have been who, Ford? Carter?
You bring up a good point, regarding Star Wars and the release date. My intention was to show how and why the media dubed it "star wars" instead of SDI (Strategic Defence Initiative). I may be off on when Star Wars was at it's peak, but I'm sure about it being a Reagan thing. He even showed animations of these little lasers in space shooting down enemy MIRVs as they came down. History has shown it to be a driving force behind getting Gorby (the Russians) to the table to negotiate and is a classic example of (successfull) dissinformation on the grandest scale.
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A)They can do all this stuff now.
or
B)They want to do this stuff in the future.
If it is A, I'm reminded of president Regan and his use of "Star Wars" technology as a negotiation tool. For those to young to remember, when the Star Wars movie was at the height of it's popularity, the president went on national television and proposed "laser beams in space" to intercept long range balistic missiles before re-entry, and deployed billions into fruitless research. Of course, at the time none of this was even in the relm of possibility, but the russians didn't know that.
This forced the Russians to funnel enourmous funds into similar (impossible) research in order to assure their people that they would be safe. In the end. the Russians (Gorby) came to the negotiating table begging the US not to deploy the system. This proved to be a wonderful negotiating tool to ask the russians for concessions.
If it is B it forces other countries to move funds into pursuing a "global network" to try to match these capabilities (that may just be pie in the sky dreams).
Either way it's (Score 5:Interesting) for the US.
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another blurb: . .. . by providing the "God's eye view" commanders have always longed for, it would bring about a revolution in the manner in which forces are managed.
All they want is god like powers?! Is *that* all?!?!
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The other thing I would add is that the 250ms latenncy is only the physical layer. If you add on the rest of the networking required for data to reach a wireless device, it won't be uncomon to see 500ms or more.
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First of all, I synced my Palm with our companies mailing list and it slurped up all 5498 contacts (addresses, names, details about each acount) with one push of the sync button. Very kewl
Using AvantGo (www.avantgo.com the software and service are free when you buy the thing) When my PDA is synced with the desktop, it goes out onto the net and puts the sites I would like into the avantogo browser for later reading. There are some sites with spacific content dedicated to the Palm screen, but even if the content isn't optimized for the small screen, avantgo does a good job to make sure the page "degrade gracefully" so that the content is still viewable.
One of the nicer things is you can add whatever website you would like to view. Using this feature, we now have a team of salesman who, on their drive into work, can be more educated and informed while they make phone calls (they used to have to wait till they got to the office to get answers).
I'm not even mentioning the wireless modem from OmniSky or the many choices for GPS. In short, 2 thumbs up!
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From the FAQ:
Q: What is the range of Bluetooth transmitter/receivers?
Bluetooth is designed for very low power use, and the transmission range will only be 10m, about 30ft. High-powered Bluetooth devices will enable ranges up to 100m (300ft). Considering the design philosophy behind Bluetooth, even the 10m range is adequate for the purposes Bluetooth is intended for. Later versions of the Bluetooth spec may allow longer ranges.
Given the range limitations noted above, I find it doubtfull that bluetooth can be employed as a wide area access solution. I think bluetooth will be a replacement for the IR port, and may help get rid of the sync cradle, but it is hardly a "confirm the-fedex-shipment-from-the-back-of-a-cab" kinda thing.
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From the article: "Palm is now in a situation where they have a direct competitor (RIM) which has a technological advantage over them," said Matt Sargent, a handheld analyst with ARS. "This makes huge sense for Palm."
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a quote from the article: In the relatively near future, Palm will market versions of the Palm III and the Palm V that contain built-in capabilities for wireless communications. These new products could contain all the technology necessary for direct wireless communications, or they might contain Bluetooth chips. Bluetooth chips are radios that allow devices to hook into networks without wires.
This sounds like it may help get rid of the sync cradle, but is it really a solution for wide area access?
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:56:04 +0530
From: Bill Gates
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Fighting with an almost inexaustable supply of money. Fighting with time on their side (every day they delay, more peecees ship with IE). The focus should remain on ms anti-competitive tactics. Ms should be made to suffer for it's decisions to use it's monopoly to stomp all comers.
Then, and only then, will a message be sent to other companies (AOL included) that the tactics that ms uses will not be tolerated.
Remember, United we stand, Divided we fall.
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I often thought that there should be some content reviewer giving points for propoganda.
I always found MSs press releases to be the most shameless. "... empowering users to simply and easily [do a thing] with just one mouse click..blah blah blah".
Never a word about standards. Never a word about reliability. Never a word about conectivity. Never a word about compatibility.
And when pressed on these points, the standard answer seems to be "it's the most standard" "it's the most compatible" "it's has the best conectivity" or some other contentless blurb.
Then there's this little one from AOL at: http://recruit.web.aol.com/media/press _view.cfm?release_num=25100429&title=AOL%20Launche s%20Next%2DGeneration%20Netscape%206%20B rowser
"Mr. Case said: "Our next-generation Netscape 6 browser will provide consumers and businesses with exciting new opportunities to enjoy the full energy and versatility of the interactive medium" anywhere, anytime and any way they want.
If this doesn't score a (Score-1 Propoganda) nothing does.
You really want a laugh?
They have there own "Fact Book" (warning: fat PDF file)
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For those of you wondering just who AOL is http://www.corp.aol.com/ has a lot of information, including: SEC filings.
company timeline.
These Finacial Discolsures are informative.
This little animated GIF is a good start on learning just how many pies they have their fingers in.
Who owns the most AOL?
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aol://[keyword] == Given how much content they own, this is what I'm really afraid of.
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