. I suspect that the first problems are going to be identification, notification and most of all entrapment.
This is nothing to fear, there is nothing to fear, but caution should be observed. Record your activity and the instant you are notified that it is a restricted system GET OUT and STAY OUT. Do not destroy your records, keep 2 copies in different locations, you may need them.
My larger concern is that these are unregulated frequencies and corporate use combined with prosecution could inspre the less altruistic to push to have them regulated (in the US).
. I dunno, but I wasn't aware that you could get a degree by dropping aquariums off the top of the student dorm, counting the survivors, and posting the results on your personal web page.
I also used to live just down the road from Hammondsport in Tyrone.
Got to go a round in the night trainer when I was a kid(they won't even let you touch it now).
One thing to note is that Glenn was very much in touch with other inventors of his time.
It was very very common to share information and techniques, and 'steal' them. But there are a few things overlooked about that time, and most any other, and it applies directly to computer code.
There are only a limited number of ways to build a practical device with available technology be it an aileron, or a shopping cart.
Worse yet who is to define the difference between the function of flexable portion of a wing and an aileron?
Written craftily enough, there could appear to be no difference, especially if the reviewer knew nothing of a budding technology like aviation.
Another point, a lot of what happened to Curtiss, Tesla and others is what happened to Visicalc creator Dan Bricklin and others in the software world of the not so distant past.
Sometimes it's not who is better, first, or best, but simply who is the best connected politically, or has the deepest financial pockets.
.
I respect Redhat
I like Mandrake
I can tolerate Lycoris
I WANT Xandros!!!
Of course. I want any new/revised distro and right now, but Corel Linux was the smoothest (maybe along with Stormix R.I.P.) of the installs I've ever used.
I don't care what the front end looks like, or I should say that Win-ish isn't to be feared, but there should be enough difference so that I, or anyone else using it KNOWS they are not using MSWin.
Just for safety sake. It can't be Windows and if your moving from platform to platform like I do, it's actually easier to be in alien atmosphere not in something that feels the same but puts you down a rabbit hole at odd momemts.
.
This is a classic (or soon to be) example of abuse of technology.
Of all of the means available for 'instruction' for assembly available (12 language pidgen printed manuals, unpictable pictograms, VHS tapes, CDROMs, Online webpages, 8/900# telephone help lines, and pdf versions), this one makes my skin crawl.
Now if they could apply it to refolding a roadmap, maybe I could tolerate it. One more backseat driver, in the car probably wouldn't phase me. .
You may have been mod'd down for off topic, but I have to agree with you.
The last flic I went to see in the theater was 'Back to the Future Part 2'.
Before a lot of the readers here were born.
Don't think this is a sour grapes post either... prior to my personal boycott against bad seats, bad popcorn, and bad manners, I used to go see 2 or 3 movies a week.
I won't download a crap either, I'll wait for it to come on broadcast, on sale on DVD, or even VHS first.
I've done T1 maintainence and provisioning for a VERY LARGE telcom.
From your question it appears you are probably not in a position to know.
Or at least not in one where you can test for yourself.
If you are behind a 'hub' as you say you are then you do not have access to your CSU/DSU, or your smartjack.
You leave more questions than you ask.
My first question is if you know your Access Provider Circuit ID. The second is as others have asked, who are you getting the service from?
Have you talked to your vendor? Is your vendor also your provider?
In the end _if_ you cannot access the equip. yourself directly, all you can do is trust your vendor and pay them to test.
If your into pain, and simply unable to trust anyone, check out the folks at www.gl.com. The have some nifty PC based T1 testing systems.
. Ok, nobody has (AFAIK) stated the obvious rational response.
Thompson-Gobbldy-GooginHoffer, is the parent of Thompson Electronics and RCA.
It's time to apply pressure to the Legs and Arms of the patient.
Contact Thompson (Insert your Country Name) and RCA (Insert your Country Name) and inform them that you WILL NOT BUY until they release MP3 from the IP prison they have placed it in.
And the topic was "Is Red Hat the Microsoft of Linux?".
The response was "Backlash against business?"
It appears you are happy being part of the problem.
FreeBSD is not commercial, nor is it Linux.
I'm not saying it isn't good, it just has nothing to do with the issues.
Linux and BSD have nothing to gain from, "My NonMSOS/Nix is better than your NonMSOS/Nix" childish behaviour, and MS has everything to gain.
If I had to work in a computing world where there was only room for one OS vendor, I think I'd become a street mime.
I've got to say right up front. I own stock in Redhat.
I won't say I've agreed with every turn the company has made in it's business decisions.
However, How many distros out there have Redhat as thier base?
Who is the base for the K12 Linux Terminal Server Project (K12LTSP.ORG)?
Who gives me the source code to do with what I will, and allows me to put the OS they sell on every boxen in sight(and without a registration code when I change out MY hardware)?
It sure isn't a company from Redmond, It's Redhat.
To compare RH to MS is to elevate MS, and denegrate RH.
There are some terms that need to be avoided and or discarded if we are to succeed at returning freedom to the Internet (and elsewhere).
First to go is the beloved and maligned 'hacker', we lost on that one, it's gone no matter what effort is used to returned the word to it's productive and wholesome origin. Using hacker is going to throw red flags in too many places to make it worth the risk of losing a fight that is about a lot more than words.
Lets substitute something harmless, instead of hack and hacker, make it repair and repairer.
other words some of the used in the infranet website are;
censor/ed, change to impair/ed
circumvention, to repair (don't used 'fix')
covert, to reliable.
Maybe some of you can see where I am headed.
The title for the Talks would change from: Infranet:Circumventing Web Censorship and Surveillance to,
Infranet:Repairing Web Impairment and Data Leakage
For those who didn't get it yet, here is the point.
Our inside terms have spilled to the outside and been manipulated to the darkest of interpretations.
The inside terms have then been used to propagandise the public into accepting them, and then it gets codified into law.
Lets get out of our terms and sic the thought police on themselves by being more descriptive, and not letting them play us with our own words.
"I will go cry in the corner and try to reply later:("
Don't bother. This has gone on way too long and has reached way past tedium, into moronisty.
What do you say we both just drop it, and move on to something intelligent.;)
I have nothing against your preference for keeping it case-sensitive, it's just as valid as the preference for keeping it insensitive. Don't make up technical limitations as a reason to support your preferences, though.
I never did, make up technical limitations for preferences. Filenames SHOULD NOT be case fixed, end user files however could be, and could be enforced by the user file manager parser, GUI, or application, there's no reason to criple an entire OS file system for the sake of a limited set of simple minded users.
The original message said - ", I have yet to come across anyone seriously questioning the traditional UNIX style file system name paradigm" Notice, it says file system name paradigm.
You know enough about *Nix to know that the OS file system _has_ to care about case.
I'll stand pat on my assertions about the internal issues, and I'll keep the lawnmower analogies when it comes to non-application user generated filenames, God help the *Nix programmer, or wannabe programmer that finds themselves on the system you propose, core parts of make and other common conventions in the internals would simply fail..c and.C are very different.
B and b, are not the same, no matter what the context is.
If you have taken this long to reach the point of suggesting that there be an OPTION that users only be able to save in one case, or that the system only recognise users input for filenames as a single case... Why didn't you do it sooner?
That IS an option in some systems, the idea of ever making it a requirement for all users would be insane.
Make the change to Aunt Ginny's Nix machine yourself, after all you are an MIT educated programmer with 6 years of experiance.
The issue as mis-stated seems not to be an OS issue, but a UI issue.
All things given, I'd rather see myself, of my Aunt Mary allowed the OPTION of have b not equal B.
Because once again, for the last time... They are not the same (only mistakenly percieved as almost the same), inside a computer, outside a computer, as nuke warhead component number, or in the exiration date of a deli item.
For those who are looking to get ahead, and have it first, without actually having it...
Save BIG BUCKS and get your percutaneous pedestals here. $7.15 ea on sale.
Well then, lets reduce the character set to just one letter, pick the first one A, uppercase, and try and force the computer to magically know what we intended.
The fact that there is a mower guard does not eliminate the need for caution, and modification of behavior.
Remind me to run like hell if your ever near a fire and the only available liquid is a can of gasoline, I'm not sure you would see the difference between it, and water.
Levels of complexity have limitations. It is apparent that you -just don't get it-, and you may be right Aunt Ginny might not get it either.
That's OK, my Grandmother never learned to drive a car and she 'got by'.
Look, what the hell do I care about the internal function of a lawn mower?
I just want it to cut the grass.
The problem is that for it to cut the grass, it has to have a blade. If I put my foot in close proximity to the blade, it's going perform in an manner quite contradictory to my desires.
It is as I said earlier a simple matter of education. Modify human (mis)behaviour.
In the case of the mower, I watch my feet.
In the case of the computer, for You, or Aunt Ginny it's less drastic, just remember that B and b are not the same.
B and b are not the same, inside the computer, or outside the computer (again postulating a modern OS)... The fact that you and some others may mistakenly view them as equivalent, does not make them the same.
Some things just are, unless we are willing to damage the function of the device, or ourselves.
Ok, I'll say it again. Letter.doc, LETTER.DOC and letter.DOC are not the same.
File names are parsed by the OS file system.
Texas Instruments attempted an 'intelligent' parser in the TI Professional, years and years ago. It just wasn't useful enough to spread beyond specialized fields.
Computers are absolute literalists, and syntax (computer grammer) is more critical.
The grammer on an advanced OS is -more- critical than on Commodore 64 generation OS.
Of course the grownup OS has the ability to pattern match and so a "something like" when you search.
You might want to hire some patent folks before making the anouncement.
The current state of IP indicates that no matter how new and earth shattering your discovery, there is a good chance that HP or Unisys has a vague patent that covers it.
Just a word of caution, do the smart thing... Keep it under your hat and for Pete's sake GPL the thing.
Of course it cannot be a requirement, there are types and varitions of code, and software that by nature are not clickable. A requirement for clickthough is going to destroy many forms of GPL'd non desktop software. Clickthrough also assumes a mouse and keyboard, or some other input device... and an output or display. There may be none.
Legal advisors are wrong about enforcement, somebody needs to introduce them to technology, not PC's.
Arachnophilia 4.0 is my first choice. www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/ The older version 4.0, the newer version 5.+ is java based and doesn't seem to work as well. I understand the Author's reason for going to java, but the new version can flake out at the worst times.
Arachnophilia isn't open source, but a modified version of freeware called careware.
Scripting should be knowledge area number two, right after proper html coding, and before design. Nobody should be taught or allowed to use a Wysiwyg editor until they can build and work without it.
Other folks who come to me for fixes to thier Frontpage and Dreamweaver problems drive me absolutely nuts. Ok, you've got wizards and plug-ins. What do you do when they don't work, or when your stuff doesn't display like you need it to? You harass people like me to tweak what you should have known before you ever were allowed to be paid to do web work.
End of rant... Keep coming to me, I complain, but I do enjoy the attention.
Slashdot Mirror
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I suspect that the first problems are going to be identification, notification and most of all entrapment.
This is nothing to fear, there is nothing to fear, but caution should be observed.
Record your activity and the instant you are notified that it is a restricted system GET OUT and STAY OUT.
Do not destroy your records, keep 2 copies in different locations, you may need them.
My larger concern is that these are unregulated frequencies and corporate use combined with prosecution could inspre the less altruistic to push to have them regulated (in the US).
.
I dunno,
but I wasn't aware that you could get a degree by dropping aquariums off the top of the student dorm,
counting the survivors, and
posting the results on your personal web page.
I also used to live just down the road from Hammondsport in Tyrone.
Got to go a round in the night trainer when I was a kid(they won't even let you touch it now).
One thing to note is that Glenn was very much in touch with other inventors of his time.
It was very very common to share information and techniques, and 'steal' them.
But there are a few things overlooked about that time, and most any other, and it applies directly to computer code.
There are only a limited number of ways to build a practical device with available technology be it an aileron, or a shopping cart.
Worse yet who is to define the difference between the function of flexable portion of a wing and an aileron?
Written craftily enough, there could appear to be no difference, especially if the reviewer knew nothing of a budding technology like aviation.
Another point, a lot of what happened to Curtiss, Tesla and others is what happened to Visicalc creator Dan Bricklin and others in the software world of the not so distant past.
Sometimes it's not who is better, first, or best, but simply who is the best connected politically, or has the deepest financial pockets.
.
I respect Redhat
I like Mandrake
I can tolerate Lycoris
I WANT Xandros!!!
Of course. I want any new/revised distro and right now, but Corel Linux was the smoothest (maybe along with Stormix R.I.P.) of the installs I've ever used.
I don't care what the front end looks like, or I should say that Win-ish isn't to be feared, but there should be enough difference so that I, or anyone else using it KNOWS they are not using MSWin.
Just for safety sake. It can't be Windows and if your moving from platform to platform like I do, it's actually easier to be in alien atmosphere not in something that feels the same but puts you down a rabbit hole at odd momemts.
.
According to this news story at New Scientist
Entering certain keywords into google is knocking out all internet activity for 5 minutes for chinese users.
I wonder if google were using https, if it would happen. Looks like the state is 'inspecting' for 'dangerous' thoughts.
.
This is a classic (or soon to be) example of abuse of technology.
Of all of the means available for 'instruction' for assembly available
(12 language pidgen printed manuals, unpictable pictograms, VHS tapes,
CDROMs, Online webpages, 8/900# telephone help lines, and pdf versions),
this one makes my skin crawl.
Now if they could apply it to refolding a roadmap, maybe I could tolerate it.
One more backseat driver, in the car probably wouldn't phase me.
.
You may have been mod'd down for off topic, but I have to agree with you.
The last flic I went to see in the theater was 'Back to the Future Part 2'.
Before a lot of the readers here were born.
Don't think this is a sour grapes post either... prior to my personal boycott against bad seats, bad popcorn, and bad manners, I used to go see 2 or 3 movies a week.
I won't download a crap either, I'll wait for it to come on broadcast, on sale on DVD, or even VHS first.
I've done T1 maintainence and provisioning for a VERY LARGE telcom.
From your question it appears you are probably not in a position to know.
Or at least not in one where you can test for yourself.
If you are behind a 'hub' as you say you are then you do not have access to your CSU/DSU, or your smartjack.
You leave more questions than you ask.
My first question is if you know your Access Provider Circuit ID. The second is as others have asked, who are you getting the service from?
Have you talked to your vendor?
Is your vendor also your provider?
In the end _if_ you cannot access the equip. yourself directly, all you can do is trust your vendor and pay them to test.
If your into pain, and simply unable to trust anyone, check out the folks at www.gl.com. The have some nifty PC based T1 testing systems.
.
Ok, nobody has (AFAIK) stated the obvious rational response.
Thompson-Gobbldy-GooginHoffer, is the parent of Thompson Electronics and RCA.
It's time to apply pressure to the Legs and Arms of the patient.
Contact Thompson (Insert your Country Name) and RCA (Insert your Country Name) and inform them that you WILL NOT BUY until they release MP3 from the IP prison they have placed it in.
FREE MP3
.
And the topic was "Is Red Hat the Microsoft of Linux?".
The response was "Backlash against business?"
It appears you are happy being part of the problem.
FreeBSD is not commercial, nor is it Linux.
I'm not saying it isn't good, it just has nothing to do with the issues.
Linux and BSD have nothing to gain from, "My NonMSOS/Nix is better than your NonMSOS/Nix" childish behaviour, and MS has everything to gain.
If I had to work in a computing world where there was only room for one OS vendor, I think I'd become a street mime.
I've got to say right up front. I own stock in Redhat.
I won't say I've agreed with every turn the company has made in it's business decisions.
However, How many distros out there have Redhat as thier base?
Who is the base for the K12 Linux Terminal Server Project (K12LTSP.ORG)?
Who gives me the source code to do with what I will, and allows me to put the OS they sell on every boxen in sight(and without a registration code when I change out MY hardware)?
It sure isn't a company from Redmond, It's Redhat.
To compare RH to MS is to elevate MS, and denegrate RH.
There are some terms that need to be avoided and or discarded if we are to succeed at returning freedom to the Internet (and elsewhere).
First to go is the beloved and maligned 'hacker', we lost on that one, it's gone no matter what effort is used to returned the word to it's productive and wholesome origin. Using hacker is going to throw red flags in too many places to make it worth the risk of losing a fight that is about a lot more than words.
Lets substitute something harmless, instead of hack and hacker, make it repair and repairer.
other words some of the used in the infranet website are;
censor/ed, change to impair/ed
circumvention, to repair (don't used 'fix')
covert, to reliable.
Maybe some of you can see where I am headed.
The title for the Talks would change from:
Infranet:Circumventing Web Censorship and Surveillance to,
Infranet:Repairing Web Impairment and Data Leakage
For those who didn't get it yet, here is the point.
Our inside terms have spilled to the outside and been manipulated to the darkest of interpretations.
The inside terms have then been used to propagandise the public into accepting them, and then it gets codified into law.
Lets get out of our terms and sic the thought police on themselves by being more descriptive, and not letting them play us with our own words.
"I will go cry in the corner and try to reply later :(" ;)
Don't bother. This has gone on way too long and has reached way past tedium, into moronisty.
What do you say we both just drop it, and move on to something intelligent.
I have nothing against your preference for keeping it case-sensitive, it's just as valid as the preference for keeping it insensitive.
.c and .C are very different.
Don't make up technical limitations as a reason to support your preferences, though.
I never did, make up technical limitations for preferences.
Filenames SHOULD NOT be case fixed, end user files however could be, and could be enforced by the user file manager parser, GUI, or application, there's no reason to criple an entire OS file system for the sake of a limited set of simple minded users.
The original message said - ", I have yet to come across anyone seriously questioning the traditional UNIX style file system name paradigm"
Notice, it says file system name paradigm.
You know enough about *Nix to know that the OS file system _has_ to care about case.
I'll stand pat on my assertions about the internal issues, and I'll keep the lawnmower analogies when it comes to non-application user generated filenames, God help the *Nix programmer, or wannabe programmer that finds themselves on the system you propose, core parts of make and other common conventions in the internals would simply fail.
B and b, are not the same, no matter what the context is.
If you have taken this long to reach the point of suggesting that there be an OPTION that users only be able to save in one case,
or that the system only recognise users input for filenames as a single case... Why didn't you do it sooner?
That IS an option in some systems, the idea of ever making it a requirement for all users would be insane.
Make the change to Aunt Ginny's Nix machine yourself,
after all you are an MIT educated programmer with 6 years of experiance.
The issue as mis-stated seems not to be an OS issue, but a UI issue.
All things given, I'd rather see myself, of my Aunt Mary allowed the OPTION of have b not equal B.
Because once again, for the last time... They are not the same (only mistakenly percieved as almost the same), inside a computer, outside a computer, as nuke warhead component number, or in the exiration date of a deli item.
For those who are looking to get ahead, and have it first, without actually having it...
Save BIG BUCKS and get your percutaneous pedestals here. $7.15 ea on sale.
Well then, lets reduce the character set to just one letter, pick the first one A, uppercase, and try and force the computer to magically know what we intended.
The fact that there is a mower guard does not eliminate the need for caution, and modification of behavior.
Remind me to run like hell if your ever near a fire and the only available liquid is a can of gasoline, I'm not sure you would see the difference between it, and water.
Levels of complexity have limitations. It is apparent that you -just don't get it-, and you may be right Aunt Ginny might not get it either.
That's OK, my Grandmother never learned to drive a car and she 'got by'.
Look, what the hell do I care about the internal function of a lawn mower?
I just want it to cut the grass.
The problem is that for it to cut the grass, it has to have a blade.
If I put my foot in close proximity to the blade, it's going perform in an manner quite contradictory to my desires.
It is as I said earlier a simple matter of education. Modify human (mis)behaviour.
In the case of the mower, I watch my feet.
In the case of the computer, for You, or Aunt Ginny it's less drastic, just remember that B and b are not the same.
B and b are not the same, inside the computer, or outside the computer (again postulating a modern OS)... The fact that you and some others may mistakenly view them as equivalent, does not make them the same.
Some things just are, unless we are willing to damage the function of the device, or ourselves.
Ok, I'll say it again. Letter.doc, LETTER.DOC and letter.DOC are not the same.
File names are parsed by the OS file system.
Texas Instruments attempted an 'intelligent' parser in the TI Professional, years and years ago. It just wasn't useful enough to spread beyond specialized fields.
Computers are absolute literalists, and syntax (computer grammer) is more critical.
The grammer on an advanced OS is -more- critical than on Commodore 64 generation OS.
Of course the grownup OS has the ability to pattern match and so a "something like" when you search.
There's something called syntax.
Of course if you have no idea of how your 'puter works, you wouldn't be expected to know about it.
But that doesn't stop your computer from knowing about it.
I'm not going to waste a lot of time on the reply.
What, what and WhAt are all different, it's that simple. I.T. is different from it.
It's a Simple matter of education.
Unfortunately there is only a certain level that things can be dumbed down to... or maybe only a certain level that they should be dumbed down to.
Capitalization punctuation and spelling, are the kinds of things that cannot be dumb'ed out of existance beyond the use of GUI's.
You might want to hire some patent folks before making the anouncement.
The current state of IP indicates that no matter how new and earth shattering your discovery, there is a good chance that HP or Unisys has a vague patent that covers it.
Just a word of caution, do the smart thing... Keep it under your hat and for Pete's sake GPL the thing.
Of course it cannot be a requirement, there are types and varitions of code, and software
that by nature are not clickable.
A requirement for clickthough is going to destroy many forms of GPL'd non desktop software.
Clickthrough also assumes a mouse and keyboard, or some other input device... and an output or display.
There may be none.
Legal advisors are wrong about enforcement, somebody needs to introduce them to technology, not PC's.
Arachnophilia 4.0 is my first choice.
www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/
The older version 4.0, the newer version 5.+ is java based and doesn't seem to work as well.
I understand the Author's reason for going to java, but the new version can flake out at the worst times.
Arachnophilia isn't open source, but a modified version of freeware called careware.
Scripting should be knowledge area number two, right after proper html coding, and before design.
Nobody should be taught or allowed to use a Wysiwyg editor until they can build and work without it.
Other folks who come to me for fixes to thier Frontpage and Dreamweaver problems drive me absolutely nuts.
Ok, you've got wizards and plug-ins. What do you do when they don't work, or when your stuff doesn't display like you need it to? You harass people like me to tweak what you should have known before you ever were allowed to be paid to do web work.
End of rant... Keep coming to me, I complain, but I do enjoy the attention.