How does that accomplish anything more than not filling one out in the first place? Much like filling out a blank ballot and turning that in, I don't see what difference it makes.
Does it make you feel better to know that someone put in that extra level of effort, because I don't give grades for intentions.
Neither isn't on the ballot, that's the point. If it is where you vote then you're luckier than most.
As I explained in a sibling reply I've been showing up on election day since before I could cast a ballot, but I don't see the point in telling someone else that if they don't support anyone they should have to show up anyway.
How is that different than not voting? All the act of going in and not filling out the ballot does is make you feel better, it doesn't actually have any influence on anyone since they have no way of knowing who you voted for, and for all you know now they think you do support a candidate because they saw you at the polls.
I don't know where you vote, but it isn't the U.S. in any state or district I've ever heard of.
For the record, I've voted in every major and minor election I've ever been able to, but I don't think that means anyone should be ridiculed if they actively choose not to.
I could never get the IE version to work on any of my systems because (I assume) I'm using an outdated version and have IE so locked up a stripped for security reasons that trying to figure our which setting it doesn't like is absolutely impossible.
Away I go to watch movies at work with the power of Firefox.
Correction, per the NYT, Obama graduated without honors from Harvard meaning a GPA below 3.3. He graduated Magna cum Laude from Columbia which has not released his GPA.
Sadly in modern times these things are viewed as insensitive and disruptive to proper emotional development.
I was never that against corporal punishment. You can read any number of studies that punishment doesn't work and only creates more problems, but there's something to be said for the moderating effect of proper discipline. I never had to be punished as I child because I learned from the mistakes of others. Sadly by the time you can see the full effect of the damage caused by ignoring your education it's usually too late to go back.
To be fair, Iraq is an active war zone fueled by a population with access to all manor of weapons and a web of hatred for Americans and for eachother.
IF the number were in any way comparable we'd be looking at a terrible problem. I'm personally bothered that you're only 10x more likely to be murdered in Iraq than in Chicago. I understand that Chicago came up because Barack lives there, but I'm concerned that more people don't ask "What are you planning to do about Philadelphia".
I heard last cycle that once the Dems took the house everything would change and we'd finally be back on the right track. All they've done since then is tow the same line as before and managed to garner themselves a worse approval rating than the man whose power they were supposed to check.
Taking control of the Legislature and doing absolutely nothing with the power, or even trying to do anything with it is the biggest reason McCain stands any chance in this election. They'd have been better of letting the Republicans run the nation into the ground than making a bunch of promises for change that they couldn't or wouldn't keep.
The problem is the same people who want it taught as a science would have a problem with it being taught as anything but.
I think theology is fascinating if not only in a historical perspective than as a different framework for discussing things than daily reality and I think it's unfortunate that for some many people the issue has to be taken so seriously that if you don't drink the kool-aid you can't even ask what flavor it is.
It's nice to know in this day and age that you can be modded insightful for answering a question that was never asked rather than actually responding to the opinions of the post you reply to.
Maybe it's niche belief, maybe it's a belief marginalized by the entrenched two party system, I don't know. What I do know is none of that has anything to do with the topic you replied to.
1. As is stated every time the Real ID act comes up, there are a huge number of people who do not, will not, and in many cases don't want, a photo ID. I personally don't agree with this because I think not having photo ID just makes everyone's life harder but it is the case.
2. People don't like the government knowing any more about them then they have to. The federal government would have an easier time finding me by Googling my magazine subscriptions than by any records they hold. It's not that I have anything to hide, but to be frank nothing can be gained from them knowing where I am. Despite moving 6 times I still vote (now absentee) in the same voting district I did when I turned 18, and I had to inform them of where I should be voting, not the other way around.
3. The biggest one, what does it matter? What do you care as an outsider if someone doesn't care enough to vote. What do I care as a voter if someone is disinterested and apathetic enough to not vote. Forcing the 40%-50% of voters who regularly don't show up to go to the polls only accomplished one thing. If these people were ignorant, lazy, or dissatisfied enough that they would otherwise be not voting how responsible do you think their forced vote will be?
The beauty of the system is choice, you can chose to vote, you can chose not to. You can go to vote and then not vote in all the elections. I don't see the value of making people take sides when they they aren't otherwise motivated to do so. Maybe if the candidates weren't so terrible every year people would be more inclined to get out and speak their minds.
There should never be an option for you to vote someone based on how they filled out their paperwork without ever having to read their names. In the area live I'd literally have an easier time running as a Democrat and not having a platform of any kind than I would running as anything else even if I could cure cancer and eliminate global warming. Who's bright idea was it to create a system that encourages people to know as little as they possibly can about who they're voting for.
No, it's like someone asking you if you want to be stabbed or shot, and refraining to answer because you'd really rather that neither one wins.
Until "Neither" appears on the ballots not voing is a perfect valid way to voice your opinion, sadly it hard to tell if people are protesting or being lazy sometimes.
Oh it gets crazier, we don't even limit our elections to every four years, it's every two, and there's no limit to the amount of things that can be voted on. Referendum, amendments, three levels of government.
On the other hand it also means we get to leave local issues to the direct hand of those it effects most, I think it's a pretty fair price to pay.
They rarely switch their votes because in something like 36 states they're legally bound to vote with the popular vote, and in every state I'd ever heard of the electors are chosen by the party that wins, who obviously have no reason to vote against their own party.
The point of the electoral college at this point is not the safeguard against the uneducated masses that it originally (partially) was. The other half of the formation of the Electoral College was that it balanced out the political power of the states to prevent candidates from neglecting entire section of the nation, something that was a very real possibility then and remains one now.
Truth be told, it rarely makes a difference, but just as you think there's little reason to keep it I think there's absolutely no reason to get rid of it.
I would not only throw a fit, I would vote completely at random. If they can't trust me to choose when I have an opinion they surely can't trust me choose who's running the government.
Even forwarding your mail is more or less a formality. As long as you update everyone's records and know you don't have anything on the way you're just fine just handing out the new one and never telling the government a thing.
I've had 6 different addresses and the only thing the government knows about it is that I'm still registered to vote in the ward I grew up in.
Everyone is registered once they register with the local municipality which they have to do anyway? Well we don't have to register with the local municipality, most people don't have passports, plenty don't have drivers licenses, only property owners pay local taxes.
Your solution to people not being registered is that they should be, well that's my solution too but it doesn't change anything. You're asking why we have one form or registration based on your system having a different form.
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I know how you feel.
I had to register as a Democrat so that I could vote in the primaries because if I waited till the general election to get involved I'd already have all of my choices made for me.
No, I voted for Obama and I still think the left is being a bunch of smug pricks about the whole thing, and have been since early in the primaries. I've gone so far as to say that I'd feel even better voting for him if so many self righteous liberals weren't.
I voted for him because I think he's a better candidate not, as it seems like in many cases, to feel special about myself.
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How does that accomplish anything more than not filling one out in the first place? Much like filling out a blank ballot and turning that in, I don't see what difference it makes.
Does it make you feel better to know that someone put in that extra level of effort, because I don't give grades for intentions.
Neither isn't on the ballot, that's the point. If it is where you vote then you're luckier than most.
As I explained in a sibling reply I've been showing up on election day since before I could cast a ballot, but I don't see the point in telling someone else that if they don't support anyone they should have to show up anyway.
How is that different than not voting? All the act of going in and not filling out the ballot does is make you feel better, it doesn't actually have any influence on anyone since they have no way of knowing who you voted for, and for all you know now they think you do support a candidate because they saw you at the polls.
I don't know where you vote, but it isn't the U.S. in any state or district I've ever heard of.
For the record, I've voted in every major and minor election I've ever been able to, but I don't think that means anyone should be ridiculed if they actively choose not to.
Here here!
I could never get the IE version to work on any of my systems because (I assume) I'm using an outdated version and have IE so locked up a stripped for security reasons that trying to figure our which setting it doesn't like is absolutely impossible.
Away I go to watch movies at work with the power of Firefox.
The HLR is not a meritocracy. His selection as an editor (along with 40 others at the time) was in no way based on strong academic standing.
Oops, other way around.
Correction, per the NYT, Obama graduated without honors from Harvard meaning a GPA below 3.3. He graduated Magna cum Laude from Columbia which has not released his GPA.
Sadly in modern times these things are viewed as insensitive and disruptive to proper emotional development.
I was never that against corporal punishment. You can read any number of studies that punishment doesn't work and only creates more problems, but there's something to be said for the moderating effect of proper discipline. I never had to be punished as I child because I learned from the mistakes of others. Sadly by the time you can see the full effect of the damage caused by ignoring your education it's usually too late to go back.
I'm guessing you don't live in a battleground state. The ads I get here in CO are far more venomous on both sides than anything I was getting in WI.
To be fair, Iraq is an active war zone fueled by a population with access to all manor of weapons and a web of hatred for Americans and for eachother.
IF the number were in any way comparable we'd be looking at a terrible problem. I'm personally bothered that you're only 10x more likely to be murdered in Iraq than in Chicago. I understand that Chicago came up because Barack lives there, but I'm concerned that more people don't ask "What are you planning to do about Philadelphia".
That's why I'm not worried.
I heard last cycle that once the Dems took the house everything would change and we'd finally be back on the right track. All they've done since then is tow the same line as before and managed to garner themselves a worse approval rating than the man whose power they were supposed to check.
Taking control of the Legislature and doing absolutely nothing with the power, or even trying to do anything with it is the biggest reason McCain stands any chance in this election. They'd have been better of letting the Republicans run the nation into the ground than making a bunch of promises for change that they couldn't or wouldn't keep.
The problem is the same people who want it taught as a science would have a problem with it being taught as anything but.
I think theology is fascinating if not only in a historical perspective than as a different framework for discussing things than daily reality and I think it's unfortunate that for some many people the issue has to be taken so seriously that if you don't drink the kool-aid you can't even ask what flavor it is.
It's nice to know in this day and age that you can be modded insightful for answering a question that was never asked rather than actually responding to the opinions of the post you reply to.
Maybe it's niche belief, maybe it's a belief marginalized by the entrenched two party system, I don't know. What I do know is none of that has anything to do with the topic you replied to.
1. As is stated every time the Real ID act comes up, there are a huge number of people who do not, will not, and in many cases don't want, a photo ID. I personally don't agree with this because I think not having photo ID just makes everyone's life harder but it is the case.
2. People don't like the government knowing any more about them then they have to. The federal government would have an easier time finding me by Googling my magazine subscriptions than by any records they hold. It's not that I have anything to hide, but to be frank nothing can be gained from them knowing where I am. Despite moving 6 times I still vote (now absentee) in the same voting district I did when I turned 18, and I had to inform them of where I should be voting, not the other way around.
3. The biggest one, what does it matter? What do you care as an outsider if someone doesn't care enough to vote. What do I care as a voter if someone is disinterested and apathetic enough to not vote. Forcing the 40%-50% of voters who regularly don't show up to go to the polls only accomplished one thing. If these people were ignorant, lazy, or dissatisfied enough that they would otherwise be not voting how responsible do you think their forced vote will be?
The beauty of the system is choice, you can chose to vote, you can chose not to. You can go to vote and then not vote in all the elections. I don't see the value of making people take sides when they they aren't otherwise motivated to do so. Maybe if the candidates weren't so terrible every year people would be more inclined to get out and speak their minds.
Add on the vote straight ticket option.
There should never be an option for you to vote someone based on how they filled out their paperwork without ever having to read their names. In the area live I'd literally have an easier time running as a Democrat and not having a platform of any kind than I would running as anything else even if I could cure cancer and eliminate global warming. Who's bright idea was it to create a system that encourages people to know as little as they possibly can about who they're voting for.
No, it's like someone asking you if you want to be stabbed or shot, and refraining to answer because you'd really rather that neither one wins.
Until "Neither" appears on the ballots not voing is a perfect valid way to voice your opinion, sadly it hard to tell if people are protesting or being lazy sometimes.
Oh it gets crazier, we don't even limit our elections to every four years, it's every two, and there's no limit to the amount of things that can be voted on. Referendum, amendments, three levels of government.
On the other hand it also means we get to leave local issues to the direct hand of those it effects most, I think it's a pretty fair price to pay.
They rarely switch their votes because in something like 36 states they're legally bound to vote with the popular vote, and in every state I'd ever heard of the electors are chosen by the party that wins, who obviously have no reason to vote against their own party.
The point of the electoral college at this point is not the safeguard against the uneducated masses that it originally (partially) was. The other half of the formation of the Electoral College was that it balanced out the political power of the states to prevent candidates from neglecting entire section of the nation, something that was a very real possibility then and remains one now.
Truth be told, it rarely makes a difference, but just as you think there's little reason to keep it I think there's absolutely no reason to get rid of it.
I would not only throw a fit, I would vote completely at random. If they can't trust me to choose when I have an opinion they surely can't trust me choose who's running the government.
Even forwarding your mail is more or less a formality. As long as you update everyone's records and know you don't have anything on the way you're just fine just handing out the new one and never telling the government a thing.
I've had 6 different addresses and the only thing the government knows about it is that I'm still registered to vote in the ward I grew up in.
How is this insightful?
Everyone is registered once they register with the local municipality which they have to do anyway? Well we don't have to register with the local municipality, most people don't have passports, plenty don't have drivers licenses, only property owners pay local taxes.
Your solution to people not being registered is that they should be, well that's my solution too but it doesn't change anything. You're asking why we have one form or registration based on your system having a different form.
I know how you feel.
I had to register as a Democrat so that I could vote in the primaries because if I waited till the general election to get involved I'd already have all of my choices made for me.
Wait, what?
Last time I checked more accountability for elected officials is always better.
No, I voted for Obama and I still think the left is being a bunch of smug pricks about the whole thing, and have been since early in the primaries. I've gone so far as to say that I'd feel even better voting for him if so many self righteous liberals weren't.
I voted for him because I think he's a better candidate not, as it seems like in many cases, to feel special about myself.