You make a good point, and I'm not as familiar with SVG as you. Maybe I should refine my point to be, "if it's not built in to the browser with the largest marketshare (Internet Explorer), it's not mainstream."
So... you start out by saying you disagree with me, and then go to great lengths to prove my point? I don't understand.
I disagree. As a computer company, Apple may not be very mainstream
So, you disagree, and then state the same thing that I said -- Apple is not mainstream. Make up your mind.
As a music content delivering company, however, they're the mainstream.
Exactly the point that I made. Did you miss it when I wrote, "with the exception of iPods and iTunes?"
Once a company has hit the billions mark by sells of a consumer good, they can be considered "mainstream" in my book.
A reasonable proposition. But since Apple is still such a very very minority player in the consumer goods arena I contend that they're not "mainstream." But I can see your point.
I'd even consider Alienware as mainstream (though, like Apple, they are a niche provider
If they're a niche provider, then they're not mainstream, they're niche.
It all really depends on how you want to define "mainstream".
Does this all mean that SVG will now go mainstream, finally?
No. Because it's Apple. If it's on Microsoft, then it's mainstream.
And don't you Apple fans flame me. I'm as die-hard an Apple aopologist as the next fanboi (two laptops, four iPods, and two Airports), but the fact remains that with the exception of iPods and iTunes, Apple isn't exactly mainstream. And I like it that way.
The Law vs Justice has been a long fight and I don't see the end of it. People getting off on technicalities or getting caught because of their ignorance. Law cannot substitute for Justice - it can only be the fighting arm of Justice.
At this point in your post, you rip open your shirt to reveal a red T-shirt with a big yellow "G" on it before streaking into the sky.
1 - No, a business class internet connection doesn't help. At least not always. It's not always about bandwidth, but about the flaws inherrent in TCP/IP. The internet was designed for moving blocks of data around, not real-time voice communication.
2 - My VoIP phone is SOMETIMES indistinguishable from a normal landline. I've never been able to figure out why sometimes the sound drops out or there are echos or long delays. It all is random, as is the chances of getting a perfect call through.
3 - You are 100% correct about VoIP allowing small businesses to open into new markets. Therough the magic of VoIP my business has an American telephone number and a European telephone number. Since getting the European phone number I have suddenly gotten an increase in European clients. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it helps bridge a psychological barrier about calling across the ocean.
You're absolutely right. I thought it was just a bandwidth problem, but that turns out not to be true. I had Vonage on a pretty crappy Verizon DSL line, and I many of the calls would have long delays, and occasionally echos.
I moved to a new place with a nice 2 megabit fat pipe on a different provider in a different part of the city, and I get the same problems. That leads me to believe it's not the bandwidth -- it's the implementation.
Copper is far more reliable than VoIP. At least for the forseeable future.
With low power FHSS.. cell phones can all be WiFi style and routed over the net or each other.. there's a MIT paper on it.
Well, heck, if there's an MIT paper on it, then I can't understand why these companies and the government don't throw a hundred years worth of investment and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure out the window and start all over from scratch. After all, there's an MIT paper on it. That makes it golden.
Really? That's the exact opposite of everything I've read, especially when it comes to AT&T. I've read a few articles about how some surprisingly large percentage of their traffic is VoIP, and they only intend to expand further in this category.
Maybe the big names don't provide VoIP into residential homes where you see a brand name on a bill each month, but from what I've read, they're providing it to a lot of businesses, and do the infrastructure for some of the residential providers.
Anyone with better insight is encouraged to post references, since I don't have anything better than my scattered memory.
You need to reexamine the way you use your browser then. Bookmark the address! Stick the bookmark in your Links bar, or in a menu within your links bar. Or drag it to the desktop... one double-click and you're at the page.
So, the way he chooses to use his computer is wrong and stupid, and the ways you illustrate to accomplish a similar task are magically right because it's you doing them? Isn't variety and choice a good thing?
It sounds like Apple should be applauded for giving its users another choice -- another way to get a particular task done. Why should someone be stuck doing things your way when another way works for them?
For me, none of your methods work well because thy're all browser-dependent. I work for hours and hours without having a browser open. For me, pressing F12 to get to the calculator is a lot more convenient than starting up the browser and waiting for a web page to load.
Different strokes for different folks. Embrace diversity.
I think he's just trolling because Dashboard is quite snappy even on my wife's 500MHz iBook with just 384 MB of RAM. She keeps about ten widgets on it and even the language translator works flawlessly.
I run a 1.33GHz Powerbook and have about 15 widgets there at all time (25 if you count each sticky note as a seperate widget) and it's smooth as glass.
Anyone who complains that much about their system performance either has something wrong with their hardware, or they're making shit up.
. Pre-2000 there was real compitition. I did not have to go with local service provider. Today SBC has out nuts in a vise.
Your situation is unfortunate. But it is not indicative of the situation in every corner of the United States. Where I live (in the downtown of a large city) I have upwards of 30 choices for high-speed internet from cable, DSL, fixed microwave, cellular, and wi-fi.
Indymedia isn't a business? Since when? All the indy newspapers I can think of all accept advertising, and I just checked, and none of them are registered as non-profits or charities. Sounds like a business to me.
Indymedia as I am sure the wikipedia link provided above points out is a collaborative effort to organize independent media resources at a global level
So if they're collaborating and organizing and a global network, then they're not exactly independent media, are they? Sounds like like the press associations and TV networks of the "mainstream media."
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Your claim was, "if it's not built in to the browser with the largest marketshare (Internet Explorer), it's not mainstream."
That wasn't his claim. It was mine. You're flaming the wrong target.
You make a good point, and I'm not as familiar with SVG as you. Maybe I should refine my point to be, "if it's not built in to the browser with the largest marketshare (Internet Explorer), it's not mainstream."
So... you start out by saying you disagree with me, and then go to great lengths to prove my point? I don't understand.
I disagree. As a computer company, Apple may not be very mainstream
So, you disagree, and then state the same thing that I said -- Apple is not mainstream. Make up your mind.
As a music content delivering company, however, they're the mainstream.
Exactly the point that I made. Did you miss it when I wrote, "with the exception of iPods and iTunes?"
Once a company has hit the billions mark by sells of a consumer good, they can be considered "mainstream" in my book.
A reasonable proposition. But since Apple is still such a very very minority player in the consumer goods arena I contend that they're not "mainstream." But I can see your point.
I'd even consider Alienware as mainstream (though, like Apple, they are a niche provider
If they're a niche provider, then they're not mainstream, they're niche.
It all really depends on how you want to define "mainstream".
I think we can agree on this point.
Does this all mean that SVG will now go mainstream, finally?
No. Because it's Apple. If it's on Microsoft, then it's mainstream.
And don't you Apple fans flame me. I'm as die-hard an Apple aopologist as the next fanboi (two laptops, four iPods, and two Airports), but the fact remains that with the exception of iPods and iTunes, Apple isn't exactly mainstream. And I like it that way.
Thinking both ways is okay.
Wouldn't thinking both ways rot your brain twice as fast?
Not necessarily. Nokia alrady has one like that.
No keypad -- just a scrollwheel.
My wife wants one really bad, but I'm not shelling out $700 for it.
The publicity would just legitimize astrology.
You're probably right. It's working for Scientology .
The Law vs Justice has been a long fight and I don't see the end of it. People getting off on technicalities or getting caught because of their ignorance. Law cannot substitute for Justice - it can only be the fighting arm of Justice.
At this point in your post, you rip open your shirt to reveal a red T-shirt with a big yellow "G" on it before streaking into the sky.
I agree with half of what your say.
1 - No, a business class internet connection doesn't help. At least not always. It's not always about bandwidth, but about the flaws inherrent in TCP/IP. The internet was designed for moving blocks of data around, not real-time voice communication.
2 - My VoIP phone is SOMETIMES indistinguishable from a normal landline. I've never been able to figure out why sometimes the sound drops out or there are echos or long delays. It all is random, as is the chances of getting a perfect call through.
3 - You are 100% correct about VoIP allowing small businesses to open into new markets. Therough the magic of VoIP my business has an American telephone number and a European telephone number. Since getting the European phone number I have suddenly gotten an increase in European clients. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it helps bridge a psychological barrier about calling across the ocean.
You're absolutely right. I thought it was just a bandwidth problem, but that turns out not to be true. I had Vonage on a pretty crappy Verizon DSL line, and I many of the calls would have long delays, and occasionally echos.
I moved to a new place with a nice 2 megabit fat pipe on a different provider in a different part of the city, and I get the same problems. That leads me to believe it's not the bandwidth -- it's the implementation.
Copper is far more reliable than VoIP. At least for the forseeable future.
With low power FHSS .. cell phones can all be WiFi style and routed over the net or each other .. there's a MIT paper on it.
Well, heck, if there's an MIT paper on it, then I can't understand why these companies and the government don't throw a hundred years worth of investment and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure out the window and start all over from scratch. After all, there's an MIT paper on it. That makes it golden.
Where they don't have money invested is VoIP
Really? That's the exact opposite of everything I've read, especially when it comes to AT&T. I've read a few articles about how some surprisingly large percentage of their traffic is VoIP, and they only intend to expand further in this category.
Maybe the big names don't provide VoIP into residential homes where you see a brand name on a bill each month, but from what I've read, they're providing it to a lot of businesses, and do the infrastructure for some of the residential providers.
Anyone with better insight is encouraged to post references, since I don't have anything better than my scattered memory.
You need to reexamine the way you use your browser then. Bookmark the address! Stick the bookmark in your Links bar, or in a menu within your links bar. Or drag it to the desktop... one double-click and you're at the page.
So, the way he chooses to use his computer is wrong and stupid, and the ways you illustrate to accomplish a similar task are magically right because it's you doing them? Isn't variety and choice a good thing?
It sounds like Apple should be applauded for giving its users another choice -- another way to get a particular task done. Why should someone be stuck doing things your way when another way works for them?
For me, none of your methods work well because thy're all browser-dependent. I work for hours and hours without having a browser open. For me, pressing F12 to get to the calculator is a lot more convenient than starting up the browser and waiting for a web page to load.
Different strokes for different folks. Embrace diversity.
Not to mention, Apple stole the entire Dashboard concept from Konfabulator.
Wow. I see you've been to the FUD archive. Next time try picking out a piece of misinformation that hasn't been debunked several hundred times.
That's twice now that you completely missed his point.
NOT EVERYONE HAS THEIR BROSWER OPEN AT ALL TIMES.
How many times does he have to say it?
why cant apple just add a "favorite apps" hot corner, so i can access my calculator and other plain ol' osx apps easily??
It's called The Dock.
I think he's just trolling because Dashboard is quite snappy even on my wife's 500MHz iBook with just 384 MB of RAM. She keeps about ten widgets on it and even the language translator works flawlessly.
I run a 1.33GHz Powerbook and have about 15 widgets there at all time (25 if you count each sticky note as a seperate widget) and it's smooth as glass.
Anyone who complains that much about their system performance either has something wrong with their hardware, or they're making shit up.
And you're powerless to change it.
I've slowly expanded to the point where I am now.
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Sounds like a new
Register at gay-torrents.net and look in the non-pron section to find a regular torrent for the symphonies.
Ummm... no. Thanks. I'd rather not wade through gay porn to get free music.
To Kofi Annan's kid. Just like the money that was supposed to buy food for hungry Iraqis.
"Slashdotted?"
The New York Times?
On a Saturday?
With 10 comments posted?
I don't think so. Looks like karma whoring to me.
. Pre-2000 there was real compitition. I did not have to go with local service provider. Today SBC has out nuts in a vise.
Your situation is unfortunate. But it is not indicative of the situation in every corner of the United States. Where I live (in the downtown of a large city) I have upwards of 30 choices for high-speed internet from cable, DSL, fixed microwave, cellular, and wi-fi.
Indymedia isn't a business? Since when? All the indy newspapers I can think of all accept advertising, and I just checked, and none of them are registered as non-profits or charities. Sounds like a business to me.
Indymedia as I am sure the wikipedia link provided above points out is a collaborative effort to organize independent media resources at a global level
So if they're collaborating and organizing and a global network, then they're not exactly independent media, are they? Sounds like like the press associations and TV networks of the "mainstream media."