The really stunning thing is that there are many here on/., actually I would say a majority, who "can't see the forest for the trees" when it comes to where labor and jobs are going.
They are going away...
It will be a few decades, perhaps 30 to 50 years, when human labor of any kind will be almost completely replaced by, as Ford summarizes, "robots".
Who will pay taxes?
Who will decide who gets a UBI?
How will society deal with millions of unemployed?
How will human society over time come to terms to becoming, in effect, the "pets" of a larger machine state that cares for us?
How will the rules of robot warfare be worked out?
Who will maintain policies on what robots can and can't do?
How much decision making of all sorts will be given over to algorithms and "AI"?
etc, etc...
I'm an Xer, and I know many millenials. I also know that the world they(you) grew up in is much different than the one I grew up in.
I know Millenials face much, much, much more pressure than my generation did. Its not even close.
You can safely ignore dipshits like the guy you replied to.
He is the one trying to find his ass.
If by "bit of money" you mean enough income that they can live comfortably, without the threat of going bankrupt because of student debt or a medical emergency, then you are probably correct.
However, those circumstances don't exist in the system of American Capitalism.
Perhaps we should look at someplace like Denmark.
Yes, you make some good points.
A lot of what all this is about is what someones definition of those terms is.
Semantics...
If someone could succinctly and correctly define how "American Capitalism" works, then you could start from there on whether someone "rejects" it or not.
Really, there are parts of the system of American Capitalism that are fantastic and others that are horrendous.
Shades of gray is something most people have trouble with and pollsters don't even acknowledge.
The younger generation today is more informed. They have seen what has happened in the economy in the last 10-15 years. They have seen what has happened to their parents, families, with the effects of globalization(China), immigration, college debt, etc; They are no dummies.
How would any objective person expect them to react. They see now, very clearly, that "the game" is rigged. It has been going this way since the 1980's. Many spoke up about it, including the fantastic Bill Moyers.
If anyone had been paying attention, like Bill and others like him who had the courage and intelligence to document how the American middle class has been gamed, time and time again, they wouldn't be surprised AT ALL that Millenials are skeptical of what passes for "Capitalism" in the US.
I love the "Ghost in the Shell" animated films.
Too bad Pixar or some other US animation studio can't do something interesting like that, instead of the usual cutesy stuff.
For one, you should be able to extract all of your data, permanently delete it from FB, and import it to another social network of your choosing. Data should be free to move to/from between social networks.
That is half the reason I don't join.
They own everything.
Stephen Fry is, but his analysis of "social" networks is on the mark.
When things like MySpace first came out, then FB, etc, and I started hearing from people, from institutions, from businesses, schools, everything, that I HAD to have an account on those networks, that struck me as wrong.
Now, ten plus years later, I feel that way even stronger than when FB and the rest first showed up.
When I started seeing access to things like Public Television/Radio stations, etc being FB only I knew something was very wrong.
My understanding of "productivity", as used in the typical way about economics, etc, is productivity has gone up in the last few decades. As I understand it, productivity has gone up because of technical and scientific innovations. Because of technology the productivity of the average worker, and what can be produced, is much higher. Is that not correct?
"Productivity" is a result of numerous things, and primarily related to Freedom.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your analysis, but my understanding of "productivity", and how that relates to the large economy and to the American middle class specifically, has nothing to do with "Freedom" or any other such political categorization. In todays political climate, the use of the word Freedom usually shows up right before things like polemics and hyperbole.
"You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"(IIRC)
To summarize, we all have seen what has happened in the US in the last few decades.
Who or whatever you want to blame: technology, greed, de-regulation, "increased productivity", globalization, the decline of unions, etc
The fact remains, the average American is less well off than they were a generation ago.
No amount of statistical chicanery can deny that.
Step 4: Lose the fight and become assimilated into FBs Borg-like Hive-mind, where being buried by an avalanche of status updates, likes and political rant posts is seen not only as patriotic, but good for business, great for the environment and(most important) helping curb microagressions worldwide.
Zuckerberg's 10-year vision for the company relies on major technological breakthroughs on three main fronts: artificial intelligence, augmented and virtual reality, and bringing Internet access to the 4 billion or so people who don't have it. "I'm excited to have Regina apply DARPA-style breakthrough development at the intersection of science and products to our mission," Zuckerberg said.
At the end of the day, FB is a cat photo sharing service that scrapes user data and personal info.
Zuckerberg trying to sound like Kennedy in 1961 is ridiculous with these DARPA and "moonshot" references.
Slashdot Mirror
The really stunning thing is that there are many here on /., actually I would say a majority, who "can't see the forest for the trees" when it comes to where labor and jobs are going.
They are going away...
It will be a few decades, perhaps 30 to 50 years, when human labor of any kind will be almost completely replaced by, as Ford summarizes, "robots".
Who will pay taxes?
Who will decide who gets a UBI?
How will society deal with millions of unemployed?
How will human society over time come to terms to becoming, in effect, the "pets" of a larger machine state that cares for us?
How will the rules of robot warfare be worked out?
Who will maintain policies on what robots can and can't do?
How much decision making of all sorts will be given over to algorithms and "AI"?
etc, etc...
Why is this modded Troll?
He's right.
Wow, the vitriol...
And all this time I thought I was the odd one, not like iTunes.
While billed as the "first intelligent security robot," Anbot will not be a replacement for human police anytime soon.
I'm an Xer, and I know many millenials. I also know that the world they(you) grew up in is much different than the one I grew up in.
I know Millenials face much, much, much more pressure than my generation did. Its not even close.
You can safely ignore dipshits like the guy you replied to.
He is the one trying to find his ass.
Eventually, wages will even out and we'll stop offshoring and outsourcing. (2065- almost two generations).
Who actually believes most people will even be "working a job" in 2065.
You've got to be kidding me!
It's 2016:
robotics are taking off rapidly
AI is on the ground floor and can only go up
automation in all occupations is only a matter of time
If by "bit of money" you mean enough income that they can live comfortably, without the threat of going bankrupt because of student debt or a medical emergency, then you are probably correct.
However, those circumstances don't exist in the system of American Capitalism.
Perhaps we should look at someplace like Denmark.
Yes, you make some good points.
A lot of what all this is about is what someones definition of those terms is.
Semantics...
If someone could succinctly and correctly define how "American Capitalism" works, then you could start from there on whether someone "rejects" it or not.
Really, there are parts of the system of American Capitalism that are fantastic and others that are horrendous.
Shades of gray is something most people have trouble with and pollsters don't even acknowledge.
The younger generation today is more informed. They have seen what has happened in the economy in the last 10-15 years. They have seen what has happened to their parents, families, with the effects of globalization(China), immigration, college debt, etc; They are no dummies.
How would any objective person expect them to react. They see now, very clearly, that "the game" is rigged. It has been going this way since the 1980's. Many spoke up about it, including the fantastic Bill Moyers.
If anyone had been paying attention, like Bill and others like him who had the courage and intelligence to document how the American middle class has been gamed, time and time again, they wouldn't be surprised AT ALL that Millenials are skeptical of what passes for "Capitalism" in the US.
This.
Slashdot, can you please change the logo for random digital stuff.
Kurzweil is anything but a "Typical American".
I love the "Ghost in the Shell" animated films.
Too bad Pixar or some other US animation studio can't do something interesting like that, instead of the usual cutesy stuff.
For one, you should be able to extract all of your data, permanently delete it from FB, and import it to another social network of your choosing. Data should be free to move to/from between social networks.
That is half the reason I don't join.
They own everything.
At least you're honest about it.
Stephen Fry is, but his analysis of "social" networks is on the mark.
When things like MySpace first came out, then FB, etc, and I started hearing from people, from institutions, from businesses, schools, everything, that I HAD to have an account on those networks, that struck me as wrong.
Now, ten plus years later, I feel that way even stronger than when FB and the rest first showed up.
When I started seeing access to things like Public Television/Radio stations, etc being FB only I knew something was very wrong.
My understanding of "productivity", as used in the typical way about economics, etc, is productivity has gone up in the last few decades. As I understand it, productivity has gone up because of technical and scientific innovations. Because of technology the productivity of the average worker, and what can be produced, is much higher. Is that not correct?
"Productivity" is a result of numerous things, and primarily related to Freedom.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding your analysis, but my understanding of "productivity", and how that relates to the large economy and to the American middle class specifically, has nothing to do with "Freedom" or any other such political categorization. In todays political climate, the use of the word Freedom usually shows up right before things like polemics and hyperbole.
My understanding of productivity, as how it relates to our economy, is better defined by Wikipedia.
"The business of America is Business"
This is why smartphones have replaced PCs in popularity - people would rather waste time than do work
Yes, but now we can waste time anywhere/everywhere...
"You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"(IIRC)
To summarize, we all have seen what has happened in the US in the last few decades.
Who or whatever you want to blame:
technology, greed, de-regulation, "increased productivity", globalization, the decline of unions, etc
The fact remains, the average American is less well off than they were a generation ago.
No amount of statistical chicanery can deny that.
Step 4: Lose the fight and become assimilated into FBs Borg-like Hive-mind, where being buried by an avalanche of status updates, likes and political rant posts is seen not only as patriotic, but good for business, great for the environment and(most important) helping curb microagressions worldwide.
Zuckerberg's 10-year vision for the company relies on major technological breakthroughs on three main fronts: artificial intelligence, augmented and virtual reality, and bringing Internet access to the 4 billion or so people who don't have it. "I'm excited to have Regina apply DARPA-style breakthrough development at the intersection of science and products to our mission," Zuckerberg said.
At the end of the day, FB is a cat photo sharing service that scrapes user data and personal info.
Zuckerberg trying to sound like Kennedy in 1961 is ridiculous with these DARPA and "moonshot" references.
FBs day.
There are people who go just streaming and are ok with that...
That really scares me.
Yep.
I've been with NF since 2002 or so.
To me all this hand wringing is comical.