I'm obviously not going to change your opinion, mate, if you can't tackle the issues of the matter. I concede. Clearly, the iphone is an incredibly advanced device, exhibiting software and hardware advances far outside the scope of even the dreams of preceding devices.
There ya go. Feel a bit better about buying one now?
The web browser, NetFront 3.1, was above par at the time. In fact, I still use it to check movie times, research Pubmed and Wikipedia, download pdfs and docs, upload docs, check my student timetable and download lecture notes, and browse Fark, Reddit, and news sites — all on the go obviously.
It obviously has no Flash, and you need to change the user-agent to work with Gmail. However, you can set rendering quite flexibly, allowing convenient display of most sites even today.
I fail to see your point? I'm not claiming it isn't a PalmOS device or that it had multi-touch function... parent poster was claiming 320x480 screens in mobile devices were introduced by Apple. It looks like the user quality at/. has stagnated as much as mobile technology over the past few years.
Wrong. You said "NO ONE (AFAIK) made a screen that was 320x480 and within two years AFTER the iPhone's introduction we saw screens of that EXACT size from Palm"
I have been playing DivX files downloaded from the net on my Sony palm since 2003. No conversion to a format Apple would like you to use first. And a 320x480 screen which was really not that special even at the time.
MP3s play in the background while I'm reading a textbook or controlling my TV.
The OS didn't have fancy bells and whistles everywhere because it was designed to be functional rather than battery-sucking eye candy.
There are apps on my palm that haven't yet been emulated on the iphone. It was an evolutionary step forwards in some ways, and backwards in others.
My Nikon D90 records in M-JPEG. That's to say, each individual frame is encoded as a JPEG file.
Who cares about what kind of special video-out they have when these cameras produce decent, usable video for a much cheaper price and with a huge library of lenses?
If they've been fighting to be compensated for "nearly a decade and a half", then why are they only filing NOW ?
Have you been reading a different thread? As stated many times, and *even linked to in the original post*, the CSIRO has very recently had a similar case against several major manufacturers decided in their favour.
With this precedent now in place, and bolstered by extra capital, they are moving against other companies who have profited from their technology at no cost.
The money couldn't be going to a better cause. This is one of the examples of these patent laws being used for the good of the public and not for selfish corporate gain.
I realise that there is a difference between America and Australia when it comes to restaurant practices, but I am constantly amazed at just how ingrained the concept of tipping is in your culture, even if people do not deserve it.
This would be quite creepy if the (father) had never actually formally donated sperm. (ie. someone has picked up a condom or tissue, and impregnated themselves with the sperm.)
Dude, you're a prick. Instead of saying "OMG, SUSE is slow, SLOW" then when proven wrong falling back on "ZOMGZ!! I DOTN SPREAK ENGRISH", why not actually (shock, horror) point out exactly what you mean by slow? Is it overall feel? Application loading times? Start-up times? Having run all major Linux distros available, and using SUSE as default boot (hooked by 9.2), I can safely say that SUSE is one of, if not the fastest available distribution (disregarding, obviously, a gentoo stage-1). So the problem must be yours twofold: firstly, that you haven't tried any more than one other distribution; and secondly, that you do not know how to configure your software for maximum speed (or, if no problem there, your hardware has issues). I'm confidently posting this logged-in.
*sigh* Here we go again. At least, "Dot.Com.CEO", I had arguments. Arguments require evidence, or some form of proof presented. You did not close to prove the "efficiency of desicn and speed" of iTunes. In fact, during my use of it, I found it to look great; that is beside the point however, as the use of software to myself - and, I'm sure, many people around the world - goes much more than skin-deep. When I trialled it (as I did so extensively), I loathed the way it couldn't play half of my music formats - even though I don't own an iPod. I puzzled over why the CD ripping quality was so poor, ranking lowly on double-blind ripping tests. I wasted time over the poor menu placement for many key functions of the application. In short, I found iTunes to be and look great, until I actually tried to do something, and I almost pity those poor souls with iPods for they have no choice.
Oh, and as a footnote, I don't care whether or not people use Linux. And with the definition of "ignorance" being a lack of knowledge, I think the crown goes to you.
The iPod is hopelessly difficult to use, compared to many other players which can be copied-and-pasted to. Putting the thing in sleep mode so the battery doesn't run out while you're not using it requires fifteen fingers and a good feeling of luck. But then, I'm not sure why I'm feeding a troll who can't spell "superiour" in properly-written English. None of this "US English" crap.
Many other players, with more features, are that easy to use. Some are even easier: with a couple of mouse clicks, Linux (which I use because it "just works") will automatically sync my music player when it's plugged in, without being locked to iTunes, an inefficient and low-quality application. The difference is, if I lose all data on my computer, and I am such a n00b that I have to use a program such as iTunes (and thus not know about the repercussions), I _will not_ lose all my songs on my device, and be able to do nothing about it.
Creative's product, like most other iPod competitors, is far superiour, being simpler to use with many many more features. The main problem is the brainless masses who are either hooked by the iPod's advertising campaign, hooked by the "coolness" of the iPod (hint: not cool when half of your friends own one), or both.
You must be new here. This symbolises that he was going to say "bug", and "you no longer get to know where your files are". It's commonly done on/., and stems from the fact that ^H will appear when you type the backspace in a Linux console if it is not in a text-ready state. In this context, you can think of it as a humorous strikeout.
I completely agree. Vista, which (as Longhorn in its initial announcement stages) looked actually quite good, has now become what is basically XP SP3. Features that would have made it worthwhile, such as WinFS, have all been stripped from the final product: while Linux continues to accelerate ahead in terms of stability, compatibility and features. The fact that it is becoming easier to use, more recognised and therefore attracts more coders, also is a great plus for Linux and means that it is increasing in value exponentially. As well, Vista's crazy system requirements are in stark contrast to those of many Linux distributions, despite the fact that these distributions have most if not all of Vista's featurs (and many more on top. And plus - the price difference.
Could not agree more. All the Americanisations (note the 's') in today's Aus/NZ society are becoming quite sad and repetitive. On that note, w.timmeh, try utilising (again, note the 's') the GB English and the Australian English settings in Worried or OOo: or, basically, English(The rest of the world).
What's easier to use? Apart from the obvious - such as the iAudio X5 and the like - there is the simple issue that 10 minutes of reading the instructions on players which are supposedly "harder to use" (the only iPod fanatics' remaining argument) enables the extremely efficient use of not only the player itself, but the extra features it possesses. Further, there are many people with entire music libraries encoded in.ogg (I believe the p2p stat is about 10% on bittorrent - FireFox has a similar usage rate, and look at the fuss being made about it.) As a final swift blow to your "rebuttal", EVEN IF you don't happen to like listening to the radio, _the feature is there for those who do_. Want to listen to the radio on the iPod? It's a $100AUD accessory. Virtually any other HDD-DAP? Comes with it. Gives a bit of perspective, hey?
Open mouth, insert foot. Steve Jobs could take a dump in a white paper bag, tout it at the latest MacWorld, and it would be bought up by the thousand by zealots from the world over. Take the iPod for example: it shows Jobs' superiour marketing capabilities. The iPod has absolutely no feature over its competitors: technically, it is so far behind it's not funny, and there are players which are far easier to use than it. However, since it's perceived as "cool" thanks to the marketing genius of Jobs, all the techno-n00bs think about how they want one - and of course, again thanks to the marketing scheme of Apple, they don't know about the alternatives. Case closed.
Slashdot Mirror
First time it's happened in almost 10 years of slashdotting. I stand by it with pride.
I hope our pollies' blatant disregard of anything other than what will make them the most popular will contrive to prevent this from being passed!
Also, first.
I'm obviously not going to change your opinion, mate, if you can't tackle the issues of the matter. I concede. Clearly, the iphone is an incredibly advanced device, exhibiting software and hardware advances far outside the scope of even the dreams of preceding devices.
There ya go. Feel a bit better about buying one now?
The web browser, NetFront 3.1, was above par at the time. In fact, I still use it to check movie times, research Pubmed and Wikipedia, download pdfs and docs, upload docs, check my student timetable and download lecture notes, and browse Fark, Reddit, and news sites — all on the go obviously.
It obviously has no Flash, and you need to change the user-agent to work with Gmail. However, you can set rendering quite flexibly, allowing convenient display of most sites even today.
Not bad for 2003 huh?
I fail to see your point? I'm not claiming it isn't a PalmOS device or that it had multi-touch function... parent poster was claiming 320x480 screens in mobile devices were introduced by Apple. It looks like the user quality at /. has stagnated as much as mobile technology over the past few years.
Wrong. You said "NO ONE (AFAIK) made a screen that was 320x480 and within two years AFTER the iPhone's introduction we saw screens of that EXACT size from Palm"
A simple Google search would have revealed that Palm devices have run 320x480 screens since 2002. Tens of devices of this screen resolution were released. I present one of the first,
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1195&c=sony_clie_peg-nr70v
You must be a technically incompetent imbecile.
I have been playing DivX files downloaded from the net on my Sony palm since 2003. No conversion to a format Apple would like you to use first. And a 320x480 screen which was really not that special even at the time.
MP3s play in the background while I'm reading a textbook or controlling my TV.
The OS didn't have fancy bells and whistles everywhere because it was designed to be functional rather than battery-sucking eye candy.
There are apps on my palm that haven't yet been emulated on the iphone. It was an evolutionary step forwards in some ways, and backwards in others.
My Nikon D90 records in M-JPEG. That's to say, each individual frame is encoded as a JPEG file.
Who cares about what kind of special video-out they have when these cameras produce decent, usable video for a much cheaper price and with a huge library of lenses?
If they've been fighting to be compensated for "nearly a decade and a half", then why are they only filing NOW ?
Have you been reading a different thread? As stated many times, and *even linked to in the original post*, the CSIRO has very recently had a similar case against several major manufacturers decided in their favour.
With this precedent now in place, and bolstered by extra capital, they are moving against other companies who have profited from their technology at no cost.
The money couldn't be going to a better cause. This is one of the examples of these patent laws being used for the good of the public and not for selfish corporate gain.
Thanks, very informative. The More You Know!
Why on earth did you leave her a tip at all?
I realise that there is a difference between America and Australia when it comes to restaurant practices, but I am constantly amazed at just how ingrained the concept of tipping is in your culture, even if people do not deserve it.
This would be quite creepy if the (father) had never actually formally donated sperm. (ie. someone has picked up a condom or tissue, and impregnated themselves with the sperm.)
Dude, you're a prick. Instead of saying "OMG, SUSE is slow, SLOW" then when proven wrong falling back on "ZOMGZ!! I DOTN SPREAK ENGRISH", why not actually (shock, horror) point out exactly what you mean by slow? Is it overall feel? Application loading times? Start-up times? Having run all major Linux distros available, and using SUSE as default boot (hooked by 9.2), I can safely say that SUSE is one of, if not the fastest available distribution (disregarding, obviously, a gentoo stage-1). So the problem must be yours twofold: firstly, that you haven't tried any more than one other distribution; and secondly, that you do not know how to configure your software for maximum speed (or, if no problem there, your hardware has issues). I'm confidently posting this logged-in.
KDE, GNOME _and_ cli-based Linux have had pdf output support for far, far longer than Apple operating systems - in their specific incarnations.
*sigh* Here we go again. At least, "Dot.Com.CEO", I had arguments. Arguments require evidence, or some form of proof presented. You did not close to prove the "efficiency of desicn and speed" of iTunes. In fact, during my use of it, I found it to look great; that is beside the point however, as the use of software to myself - and, I'm sure, many people around the world - goes much more than skin-deep. When I trialled it (as I did so extensively), I loathed the way it couldn't play half of my music formats - even though I don't own an iPod. I puzzled over why the CD ripping quality was so poor, ranking lowly on double-blind ripping tests. I wasted time over the poor menu placement for many key functions of the application. In short, I found iTunes to be and look great, until I actually tried to do something, and I almost pity those poor souls with iPods for they have no choice. Oh, and as a footnote, I don't care whether or not people use Linux. And with the definition of "ignorance" being a lack of knowledge, I think the crown goes to you.
The iPod is hopelessly difficult to use, compared to many other players which can be copied-and-pasted to. Putting the thing in sleep mode so the battery doesn't run out while you're not using it requires fifteen fingers and a good feeling of luck. But then, I'm not sure why I'm feeding a troll who can't spell "superiour" in properly-written English. None of this "US English" crap.
Many other players, with more features, are that easy to use. Some are even easier: with a couple of mouse clicks, Linux (which I use because it "just works") will automatically sync my music player when it's plugged in, without being locked to iTunes, an inefficient and low-quality application. The difference is, if I lose all data on my computer, and I am such a n00b that I have to use a program such as iTunes (and thus not know about the repercussions), I _will not_ lose all my songs on my device, and be able to do nothing about it.
Creative's product, like most other iPod competitors, is far superiour, being simpler to use with many many more features. The main problem is the brainless masses who are either hooked by the iPod's advertising campaign, hooked by the "coolness" of the iPod (hint: not cool when half of your friends own one), or both.
You must be new here. This symbolises that he was going to say "bug", and "you no longer get to know where your files are". It's commonly done on /., and stems from the fact that ^H will appear when you type the backspace in a Linux console if it is not in a text-ready state. In this context, you can think of it as a humorous strikeout.
You must be new here.
I completely agree. Vista, which (as Longhorn in its initial announcement stages) looked actually quite good, has now become what is basically XP SP3. Features that would have made it worthwhile, such as WinFS, have all been stripped from the final product: while Linux continues to accelerate ahead in terms of stability, compatibility and features. The fact that it is becoming easier to use, more recognised and therefore attracts more coders, also is a great plus for Linux and means that it is increasing in value exponentially. As well, Vista's crazy system requirements are in stark contrast to those of many Linux distributions, despite the fact that these distributions have most if not all of Vista's featurs (and many more on top. And plus - the price difference.
Could not agree more. All the Americanisations (note the 's') in today's Aus/NZ society are becoming quite sad and repetitive. On that note, w.timmeh, try utilising (again, note the 's') the GB English and the Australian English settings in Worried or OOo: or, basically, English(The rest of the world).
Yes. My .sig is clearly no exception.
What's easier to use? Apart from the obvious - such as the iAudio X5 and the like - there is the simple issue that 10 minutes of reading the instructions on players which are supposedly "harder to use" (the only iPod fanatics' remaining argument) enables the extremely efficient use of not only the player itself, but the extra features it possesses. Further, there are many people with entire music libraries encoded in .ogg (I believe the p2p stat is about 10% on bittorrent - FireFox has a similar usage rate, and look at the fuss being made about it.) As a final swift blow to your "rebuttal", EVEN IF you don't happen to like listening to the radio, _the feature is there for those who do_. Want to listen to the radio on the iPod? It's a $100AUD accessory. Virtually any other HDD-DAP? Comes with it. Gives a bit of perspective, hey?
Open mouth, insert foot. Steve Jobs could take a dump in a white paper bag, tout it at the latest MacWorld, and it would be bought up by the thousand by zealots from the world over. Take the iPod for example: it shows Jobs' superiour marketing capabilities. The iPod has absolutely no feature over its competitors: technically, it is so far behind it's not funny, and there are players which are far easier to use than it. However, since it's perceived as "cool" thanks to the marketing genius of Jobs, all the techno-n00bs think about how they want one - and of course, again thanks to the marketing scheme of Apple, they don't know about the alternatives. Case closed.