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Apple Announces iPhone 4
In a keynote presentation today at WWDC, Steve Jobs officially unveiled the iPhone 4. It's powered by an A4 chip, has a glass front and back, and has stainless steel around the edges, which turns out to be part of the antenna system. The new iPhone uses what Jobs called a "Retina display," running at 960x640, or 326 ppi. The battery is also bigger, with a corresponding increase in battery life. The iPhone 4 supports 802.11n, has two mics for noise cancellation, and a three-axis gyroscope, which allows rotation and precision that accelerometers can't match. The iPhone 4's camera is using a 5-megapixel backside illuminated sensor, which Jobs said does better at low-light photography. It also records 720p video at 30 frames per second, with tap-to-focus. In addition to this, they've created an iMovie app, which allows users to easily edit videos on their phone. Several live blogs of the event, with pictures, are available. The device ships in the US on June 24. Apple's product page has been updated with specs and a video. Read on for more details.
Update: 06/07 18:34 GMT by S : Steve's "One More Thing" this time around: FaceTime, live video chat from one iPhone 4 to another. It is Wi-Fi only at the moment, but they're working with carriers to expand that in the future. Jobs says the iPhone 4 OS is being renamed "iOS4," since it isn't just focused on phones anymore. The release candidate will be made available to developers today. He demonstrated multitasking, a unified email inbox, and folders for apps. In the App Store, you can expect to see an iPhone version of Netflix soon, as well as Guitar Hero and FarmVille. Jobs also announced that iBooks, the ebook application for the iPad, would be getting a few upgrades. Users will soon be able to make notes, and a bookmark button is on the way. It will put bookmarked pages into the book's table of contents. iBooks is also gaining support for viewing PDF files. On top of that, it won't be just for the iPad anymore; it's coming to the iPhone and iPod Touch as well, and it will sync between devices.
Update: 06/07 18:34 GMT by S : Steve's "One More Thing" this time around: FaceTime, live video chat from one iPhone 4 to another. It is Wi-Fi only at the moment, but they're working with carriers to expand that in the future. Jobs says the iPhone 4 OS is being renamed "iOS4," since it isn't just focused on phones anymore. The release candidate will be made available to developers today. He demonstrated multitasking, a unified email inbox, and folders for apps. In the App Store, you can expect to see an iPhone version of Netflix soon, as well as Guitar Hero and FarmVille. Jobs also announced that iBooks, the ebook application for the iPad, would be getting a few upgrades. Users will soon be able to make notes, and a bookmark button is on the way. It will put bookmarked pages into the book's table of contents. iBooks is also gaining support for viewing PDF files. On top of that, it won't be just for the iPad anymore; it's coming to the iPhone and iPod Touch as well, and it will sync between devices.
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
One of the nuggets they slipped in there was that it was a Quad Band phone. Previously it only worked on AT&T's 3G frequencies.
One can hope.
Anything about this being the same as the Gizmodo prototype?
None of which would have happened had Android not shown up.
"If you are on fire you can just stop, drop, and roll. If you fall into Lava you are just dead." - my 5yr old daughter
Never before have I wanted a product so much but will not buy do to Apple's draconian policies.
Coming July 1st!
Apple, that acronym is already taken for an operating system.
I'm really hoping Cisco is going to sue you over that. But I won't hold my breath.
Wow. the keynote isn't even finished and the post went up. We have no idea about networks or prices or sizes. Ridiculous.
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||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
But they have good brands, so it is not a problem
11:25AM "So let me tell you some of the brands that will be advertising with us. Nissan, Citi, Unilever, AT&T, Chanel, GE, Liberty Mutual, State Farm, Geico, Campbells, Sears, JC Penny, Target, Best Buy, Direct TV, TBS, and Disney... those are some of the brands."
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
Heh! Odds of that being approved for the App Store are approximately 3,720 to 1.
Corporatism != Free Market
...when you can announce that your document viewer will support PDFs and everyone is in the awe :)
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
Integrated Air Defense System?
Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
This is going to revolutionize the way we use iphones! Apple has done it again. All Hail Steve!
What do you mean I have to wait until the 24th to buy!!!!!
If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
This story was posted before the "one more thing" was mentioned, and it's one of the more interesting features: mobile video conferencing!
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Let a new round of religious wars commence!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
With the costs of AT&T's data plan going up and getting limited, I wonder how video calls will work on the system. Are they just calls and consume minutes, or do they consume data for the video as well? If the latter, well that's just stupid. Thanks AT&T.
Wow, those are conservative odds as well. I would have put it somewhere around G to 1...
If a man isn't willing to take some risk for his opinions, either his opinions are no good or he's no good
If they had any intention of trying to sue over something like that, Nintendo would've been in court already.
For those playing at home, IOS4 is a really old version of the Cisco router operating system and a version of the Wii kernel used to load the initial contents of a Wii console's flash chip. But then what abbreviation isn't taken nowadays?
I've been assimilated into the Apple collective since early last year! I bought the iPod touch, iPhone 3GS, iPad and Macbook Pro. Can't WAIT for this gyroscopic, high-quality camera iPhone!!!
I'm glad to see the iPhone getting a serious upgrade in the hardware department, but the walled garden is still enough to keep me from ever owning one. Android is teh place to be, at least for me.
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Never tell me the odds!
You don't need to wait long
11:29AM "I think a lot of people are going to try and win the car. It's a great idea! We're going to turn on iAd on July 1st for all iOS 4 devices."
It was a typo... It's supposed to be Aids.
Only Apple would get away with releasing key features this late. HTC has been big for what, a year? Already their phones (EVO, Incredible) are surpassing the IPhone.
-Multitasking
-HD video recording
-Dual cameras/mics
Also, it's still missing a good carrier, tethering, and flash.
All of this made in a suicide ridden factory...
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits" - Albert Einstein
It's an optional thing for a developer to include in his app. I can imagine that there will be free apps that use iAdd and pay versions that don't have ads. Just use the version without ads and you are good. If there's no version without ads then don't use the app!
That's basically how it works now except Apple is providing developers with an easy and good-looking way to include ads in their app without having to cut deals on the side. Pretty much win-win for Apple, app developers and iOS users.
Sapere aude!
Now you can switch your default search provider to Bing!
Never tell me the odds.
So Apple is out, as well as Sony.
I agree with your sentiment, I really do want some of these products, but I'm fed up with the companies that present them.
I'm in the market for several new products:
1. Smartphone
I want to ditch AT&T and would like something that is as flexible as my older generation jailbroken iPhone. (VNC, Strong developer base, etc)
2. eReader
Though eInk displays are pretty much all the same, anyone have any luck with an eReader that isn't Sony but lets you have flexibility with the device?
3. A non-rented media recorder
ie: Non-Tivo and non-TV company owned. Is MythTV really the only option right now?
4. Unicorns.
I mean, as long as I'm asking I might as well get it all out there.
Out of modpoints but really liked a post? 1BDkF6TtmmeZ3yqXbz9yhdYVqRYnwFoXDj
No, it's "inter-Active Denial System"
Price is $199 16GB / $299 32GB. AT&T will upgrade you at subsidized cost if your contract expires at any time in 2010, and the 2 year contract is added to your existing contract. Preorders begin June 15, and US sales begin June 24. International shipping begins rolling out in July, but some countries will have to wait 'til August or September.
AT&T NEW 2GB data plan will kill this.
Various 3G phones have supported video calling from the outset of the 3G network, phones from a variety of manufactures, on different networks, even in different countries. Why do they have to reinvent everything?
The maximum storage capacity of the iphone maxes out at 32G, while the ipod touch goes up to 64G. I suppose that's comparable to the HTC's incredible maximum capacity of 40G (via 8 GB internal and 32 GB microsd card), but it's unfortunate that there isn't a larger option. The iphone really seems capable of replacing many mp3 players for reasonably sized collections, but with apps and music it's not hard to hit 32G.
And, of course, it would really kill Apple's profit margins to actually offer an SD slot...Oh well.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
a three-axis gyroscope, which allows rotation and precision that accelerometers can't match
Uh... So the thing obviously doesn't have an actual gyroscope, so I'm assuming he means rotational accelerometers... which is better then regular accelerometers how? They measure different things. Am I or the summary getting some lingo wrong?
Now, finally a Keynote from Steve about an existing product that finally delivers what people where asking for and some new great features. Front camera, better battery life, a flash (the one for photography not the software), HSDPA, better camera, noise cancelling mic .... all stuff that Apple could have put long ago. And some new cool stuff there people where hoping for but didn't believe much, like the big resolution bump of the screen.
Now, I get to wonder how many of the features where actually planed for this iteration of the iPhone, and how many Apple enginners where forced to put just because Steve didn't want to give only old Gizmodo news in his keynote?
I hope someone leaks the next iPad has well, a couple of months before the next major Apple presentation.
iUser Account Draining System
\lol 2G cap
Indeed adverts are. Adblock Plus is a browser plugin so that adds are an optional thing a user can choose to accept. I'm unclear as to what way graphics heavy adverts will be 'win-win for ... iOS users' given that as of today it is no longer possible to start an unlimited data contract.
Will a user be winning when an ad for an ap that would have cost $1.99 for the ad-free version sends them over their monthly cap and results in a $10 bill from AT&T?
All ads have done is resulted in a proliferation of free apps with limited functionality and lots of adverts. It's cluttered the marketplace and made it difficult to distinguish between applications and value. It's not immediately obvious how much paid or versions of similar apps cost, making price comparisons more difficult for the user. Where's the 'win' in that?
Apple have distinct carrier contracts. What would have been innovative would have been to negotiate with carriers, make bandwidth to Apple's Ad servers not count as part of a user's allowance and have the advertiser pick up the cost of serving their Ad.
Would you watch network television if you were billed for each ad you see?
but nothing on the 4th gen ipod touch? nothing at all?
personally, it's a much better device especially when taking a cell provider out of the equation.
I've been a proponent for 300+ DPI screens for quite a while. I never got to see the Neo Freerunner (282 DPI), but the Droid (265 DPI) looks good. Jobs is correct, from about about 10-12 inches viewing, this is what is needed to have the device seem like paper. My preference though is to take that high DPI to a bigger screen - say something like 1280x720 with 4.8" diagonal (308 DPI). New Snapdragons are supporting 1280x800 (not sure I like 16/10 better than 16/9 for phones - it is the standard for laptops these days), so hopefully we'll see some Android phones with these high DPI numbers soon.
Never tell me the odds!
6 to 1 that someone will.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Sadly, the biggest announcement for most people was "Farmville on iPhone". Second place being "iPhone available in white!". Every other feature Apple announced has already been done by someone else.
None of which would have happened had Android not shown up.
Er, wrong. For example, if I go to the supermarket and have pasta for dinner, that doesn't mean I won't have pasta for dinner if I don't go to the supermarket. Maybe my SO stops by the supermarket. Or we go out to eat. Or a neighbor calls us up and says "hey, want to come over for dinner? We're having pasta." It's the same kind of logical fallacy used to defend space exploration expenditures by saying "we wouldn't have ____ if it hadn't been for the space program!"
Please help metamoderate.
Come on, it was a Star Wars reference...you would have the same odds of navigating an asteroid field as you would finding that app in the App Store
...taking phone sex to a whole new level since 2010!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Now what to call this extra strong glass...
I'd rate the odds of navigating an asteroid field as much better than seeing an Adblock app in the Apple app store.
As for actually navigating an asteroid field, Pioneer 10, 11, Voyager 1 & 2, Galileo, Cassini, and New Horizons had no problems :)
Corporatism != Free Market
If you set the bar low enough even basic functionality can seem like a milestone. Coming soon: over the air updates?
"a 5-megapixel backside illuminated sensor"
Does that mean the sun shines out its backside?
When do we get fed up and just build a wireless mesh network and cut out the carriers completely?
Firewall IP on a jail broken phone or Atomic Web Browser on jail broken or not.
Trolling is a art,
This is a very impressive evolution. Thinner, better display, more processing power, better battery life, better camera, new sensors, and more capabilities across the board, both hardware and software.
I'd love to develop for it.
I just wish there was some way I could know that if I spent thousands of hours creating software for it, that such software would continually be available for purchase via the App Store. I'd be okay with explaining in detail to Apple how the software was going to work before developing it. But it would be necessary to obtain an authoritative answer to inform as to whether the software would be accepted (if implemented to a proposed specification) and for what minimum duration the software would be allowed on the store.
There is a fundamental risk in developing new software: "Will customers buy this?" This risk can be calculated to a certain extent. My concern with developing for iOS is that an additional incalculable risk exists, and it is simply too much to bear.
iADS= Integrated Annoying Display of Scams
Obama's legacy: (N)othing (S)ecure (A)nywhere and (T)error (S)imulation (A)dministration
For proprietary codecs.
The Wii "wiimote" Controller has three MEMS linear accelerometers. The Wii "Motion Plus" adapters plug into the wiimote, and add three MEMS angular accelerometers, which are also very commonly referred as gyroscopic sensors. If the phone has the gyro sensors, it can sense relative tilt motions, but can't sense its own position relative to gravity when held still or sitting on a dock. The linear accelerometers work best at slow gestures, like those found in marble games or augmented reality windows. If it has all six sensors, which I expect it does, then there are a lot of quick and slow motion gestures you can do very accurately.
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...but how is it at phone calls?
Don't. You know that euphoria you have when you're watching porn and then after you're done jacking off you feel guilty about it. This is the same thing only instead of a woman's skin, you're jacking off to steel, glass an silica. If you go over the top and buy it, you'll wont' just feel guilty, you'll feel like an idiot.
You have problems if jacking off makes you feel guilty. You might want to talk to a psychiatrist.
Speaking for myself as an iPhone developer, I will not be adding this to any of my apps. Since I freaking hate them as a consumer I'm not going to then turn right back around and add them when I'm trying to make money.
I expect that Apple will host all of the ads. That would allow them to set standards on ads with regards to bandwidth. Perhaps one standard for those using WiFi, and another for 3G. They'll use their 800 pound gorilla
A surpise awaiting in few of the most dynamically growing markets
One that hath name thou can not otter
..I don't care for AT&T's terms. I have a pre-paid account with them already, don't care for data over 3G (WiFi is perfectly fine for me), and I'd rather just stick my SIM into this model and be done with it.
--- The American Way of Life is not a birthright. Hell, it's not even sustainable.
No, you don't have to interact with them. You *can* interact with them, once you click on them. Huge difference.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
So, does anyone else see how much Apple is taking from Cisco in relation to their naming schemes? iPhone is a Cisco trademark under license to Apple iOS is a Cisco trademark under license to Apple Apple has named their OS releases after "big cats", a term used when speaking about Catalyst switches. Anything else I missed?
If the world isn't beating a path to your door you're doing something wrong.
OMFG! Mobile video conferencing! You mean that crap that has been around for years and no one wants! OMFGHS!
Seriously, I can't wait for mobile video conferencing. Think people look stupid when they are babbling to themselves via blue tooth? Well you just wait! Apple is taking jackassery to a NEXT level. Now, people are going to walk around holding their phone out at arms length in front of their face as they walk. It is going to be awesome!
There is a reason why video never caught on. It wasn't a lack of technology. We could have done video phone calls decades ago. It just never worked because no one wanted it. Video adds nothing to the conversation other than the fact that now your eyes have to be used during the conversation, you can't move around easily, and you have to be dressed and decent. It is even more stupid on a mobile phone because you instantly lose the whole "mobility" piece if you have to be looking at a screen or holding a phone in front of your face.
There is exactly one use for mobile video conferencing... phone sex. If you want better phone sex, then I guess you can get excited that Apple has now made available a feature you can already get on any new Android phone and has been around for computers for decades. Whoop-de-fucking-do.
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
GlimmerBlocker (uses ABP's blacklist) does the trick (or your favorite ad-block daemon). More effective than browser plugins since it works across multiple apps (browser, email, feed reader, etc). Even more effective if you have your own web server w/ said daemon. I do this with all the wired/wireless clients at home. Setup up the iPhone to use your own server via proxy and you'll have all the ad blocking you want.
3,720 to 1.
C3-PO quote.
New radios, including 802.11N (nice!) but no mention of AWS support. Mobilicity offers $65 unlimited _everything_ in Toronto, but only on AWS.
Maury
You said you wanted to be around when Apple made a mistake. Well, this could be it.
I am not going to call you sweetheart though.
So it'll take what...a couple of weeks for them to port the existing iPhone Android ROM over. Best of both worlds!
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
A HA HA HA!!! Sure buddy. Whatever you say.
You don't expect people to believe that do you?
More precision than highly sensitive scientific instruments!
A HA HA HA!!! Sure buddy. Whatever you say.
I'll try anything once. Twice if it tastes good
I'm willing to bet that developers will allow users to choose between cheap apps with advertisements and apps that cost more but are advertisement free. This is happening right now in the app store even without Apple providing an easy way for developers to implement advertisements. The users win because more choice is almost always better, if you do download a free app and see that it has a ton of advertisements then no harm, remove it from your device and either get the paid version or move on to another app.
Adblock is a good add-on for your browser and it'd be nice to have for mobile Safari but I don't think it's a good thing if it also works on purchased apps. App developers do a lot of work on building these apps and they deserve to get paid for their efforts, if they want to be paid. Allowing people to get an inexpensive, advertisements-supported app and then block the advertisements would be cheating developers out of their work.
The market will balance all these things out. If an app goes overboard and charges too much or has too many advertisements then someone else will come by and eat their lunch with a better app. It happens all the time, competition is a good way to correct these sort of things.
As far as the bandwidth to Apple's advertisement servers, how do you know if it does count toward your carrier bandwidth? There hasn't been any announcement about it. There are several services on the iPhone that don't count toward your bandwidth, I believe that App Store purchases are one of them. We'll see how it pans out but I bet that the advertisement bandwidth will not count towards your total bandwidth.
Sapere aude!
I thought it was C3-PO translating a quote from R2D2?
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
Dang it. WHY the heck would you release the iPhone 4 (a year after the 3GS) and it STILL has the same amount of memory?? You gave us the option of 16 or 32GB *LAST* year. By this year, you'd think Apple would be up to 32 / 64 GB models. Or how about 32/64/128GB!! Do something like 32 = $299, 64 = $399, 128 = $599 with new two-year contract.
I don't know about everyone else but I LIKE having every movie I've ever liked right on my phone.
Paul
Several years ago, I was thinking in the same general vein and decided to experiment with an Invention Disclosure . I wonder how Apple structured their patents-- if they did-- because it's a pretty simple idea. I'm surprised that more cell phones haven't implemented it. Maybe they have. Does anyone know if others are experimenting with it too?
I'm unclear as to what way graphics heavy adverts will be 'win-win for ... iOS users'
Because we're too lazy to read!
For anyone snarking on about ATT and FaceTime being WiFi only ... they can't manage to launch an updated website in time for an announcement which will pour millions of customers in to check their upgrade eligibility.
http://twitpic.com/1uu6gz
Apple's site is live with new iPhone 4 pages and info.
FWIW
Does anyone know what the "Retina display" means?
Is it just a marketing term (a la "Powerglide transmission") or does it actually describe some innovation in the display?
And can we please pitch in and buy Steve Jobs a sandwich? Even Kate Moss says he's too skinny.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Let's see - would you rather have graphics heavy ads that come from a variety of sources, vary greatly in quality, design, size and compression quality, or ads from one source that will likely do a good job both of quality and limiting things to reasonable sizes and may well do some local caching?
Apparently: "When you tap on it, it fills the screen or you can hit a button in the top left to close the ad."
Never tell me the odds....
I took it as a marketing name to refer to the fact that it's 300+ ppi resolution, which is better (from what they said) than your eye can distinguish.
Sounds reasonable enough to me. I'm a developer myself and I don't think I'll be doing it either. However, I could see people doing it as a way to put out a clearly-labeled free version to defray development costs and serve as a try-before-you-buy.
It depends on a lot of factors but at least it's an option and easy to add into an app if you want to give it a whirl.
Sapere aude!
Marketing - the screen is higher than 300ppi, which is a resolution greater than the human eye can resolve.
No ability to export to 480p, 480i or even or 640x480 seemed like a really weird omission.
I find this one the most interesting feature.
iAds
-1 offtopic for talking about what Jobs is showing in the unveiling powerpoint presentation? Apple fanboys have raided Slashdot, and they're retarded.
The sweet spot for screens is said to be 300dpi. Being higher than that, it's said that your eyes are not able to distinguish individual pixels anymore. Hence the name. So yes, it's marketing-onyl, probably
From http://www.macrumorslive.com/
10:39 am Doing a live demo now.
10:39 am Firing up both phones.
10:40 am Zoomed in difference looking at home screen is remarkable. Apple had to get special projectors to show just how good this screen is.
10:40 am Loading up NY Times next.
10:41 am Loading slowly, "networks in here always unpredictable."
10:41 am Steve asks everyone to get off WiFi to help him out, audience laughs.
10:41 am NY Times still not loading on iPhone 4.
10:41 am Switching to backups.
10:42 am iPhone 4 now on AT&T, all kinds of error messages about not being connected to the internet popping up on iPhone 4.
10:42 am Steve goes back to showing photos.
10:43 am Difference is fairly amazing.
10:43 am iPhone 4 slowly barely loads NY Times.
10:43 am Steve apologizing again.
10:43 am Asks Scott for any suggestions.
10:44 am Someone shouts, "Try Verizon."
10:44 am Steve concludes demo.
Does anyone know what the "Retina display" means?
It means in Soviet Russia, iPhone 4 looks at you!
7-4 against.
They are 'optional' if a developer dosn't want any feedback from the app in terms of usage data. If you want that, you MUST sign up to iAd's: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/04/with-new-developer-agreement-apple-unlevels-the-iad-playing-field/
change position of 1 letter and you have Aids.
That's reflective on how good this is for the mobile networks, aka it's not.
That explains why I'm holding down the fort by myself. The Macheads must be waiting in line at the iStore.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
R2 was out with Luke at the time. They had to fix the hyperdrive and C3-PO had to talk to the computer to find out what was wrong. He needed to do it because R2 wasn't around.
Seriously? Not for 60% of the ad revenue? And that you control exactly when and how the ads show up?
I think you're being foolish to rule it out. Ads are only annoying when they're disruptive.
I've been thinking the same thing, and I think that (though I don't know for sure as I'm not a video game developer), that Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft won't even let you write the game without putting through a proposal. I doubt it's much more than a general form that describes the overall gameplay, maybe a pic of some concept art or somesuch, and assuming the game isn't based on the characters from goatse.cx, they presumably give you the tentative go-ahead. Of course, when I say "won't let you develop" the game, I mean that they wouldn't consider approving it unless you submit the proposal ahead of time.
I suppose that would double the work on Apple; they'd need a staff to review the finished apps, as well as a group of people to sift through the proposals. Also, I could see the process being abused; even if the proposal site was limited to official developers, that's only $99 that would give some the idea that they could write an automated script to flood the system with boilerplate proposals.
Still, even if that were the case, I'd still want to do that. Like you said, it's hard to think you've spent time on something only to be rejected for some arbitrary reason. My ideas for apps are, I think, totally in the mainstream, but I can imagine being rejected simply because some faceless reviewer didn't like my choice of background wallpaper in the app.
I think Bill Hicks summed advertising up quite accurately:
"There's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers. Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously. No this is not a joke, you're going, "there's going to be a joke coming," there's no fucking joke coming. You are Satan's spawn filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked and you are fucking us. Kill yourself. It's the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself."
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
Thank-you Mr. Jobs, now we won't just have to put up with people talking loudly into their cell phones, but we'll have to put up with iPhone users screaming into their speakerphones using "FaceTime" while mooching off a coffee shop's free wi-fi.
"There goes your ability to focus"? I think there was an article about that ...
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My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
As for actually navigating an asteroid field, Pioneer 10, 11, Voyager 1 & 2, Galileo, Cassini, and New Horizons had no problems :)
Obviously physics have changed a little from what they were a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Or the next 26,040 space probes are in deep shit.
...where the fuck is support for Flash?
And I ain't talking about a blinky white LED for the camera either.
They can put CPU-GPU-Sound-Touch-Wifi-BT-Cellradio in one chip, but not GSM & CDMA in the same chip?>??>>>>???? Cmon qualcomm/samsung, make some money here.....free humanity!
Over 3G and not limited to wifi. http://www.3.dk/ :)
It seems that the quality is good enough so that deaf people can use it for sign language on public transportation.
That's the last thing I can think of that's lacking...
"We'll see how it pans out but I bet that the advertisement bandwidth will not count towards your total bandwidth." LOL.
Let take the television example. I can watch a TV show and have 18 minutes of commercials for each hour of TV. I can invest in significantly in hardware and record the show and then watch it later without commercials. Both of these may require significant cable bills. I can watch the show on hulu with five minutes of commercials per hour of TV show, commercials using bandwidth I pay for. Or I could pay that magical 1.99 and watch the show without commercials. Frankly I often go the commercial route, though sometimes I pay the 1.99. And frankly, I feel that 18 minutes, or even five minutes, of my time is worth more than $2.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
And no mention of bluetooth drivers to support a bluetooth keyboard. How is it that my 5yr old TREO can still be used at meetings to take notes, but the frigging iDoesEverything doesn't seem to do that? I guess Steve just assumes we'll all be emailing videos of ourselves to each other, and yet, if we try that, we'll eat through our "unlimited" AT&T data plan with the very first email!
Jesus, do I have to use a jailbroken phone?
Is that really the only way to get something that actually "just works"?
I'm always amazed at just how far off apple's hype from reality is.
I guess Steve's reality Distortion field just grows larger each year.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
What monthly cap? I've got 'unlimited'...and I'm keeping it that way!!
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
certainly any time you are displaying a progress bar gathering data from the net for your app (not applicable to all apps of course) that is a pretty reasonable time to display an ad. Especially if that Ad allows you to give your application away rather than sell it.
There is nothing wrong with iAd, some developers will use it poorly im sure, but those that use it well will likely be very successful with it.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
I hear Flashblock works great on it!
At what distance?
The reason to choose 960x640 resolution is purely technical: to overcome their bad 3-year old decision to stick to a single resolution for application development. Quadrupling pixels is the only working solution for all the legacy apps out there.
However once they are at it, why not use this solution for PR? They now have the highest resolution on a cellphone ever, and 99% of potential buyers aren't aware of the real reason. The higher - the better, it's just like the megapixel wars in cameras.
I just hope the megapixel story won't be repeated with cellphone resolution, and we are not going to see stuff like 400-dpi 3" screens.
What a let down. Steve promised that people would be amazed. Well I am not. There is not really anything unexpected on this phone, and it can't match all the features of an Android :( oh well. Since it's going to be a year before the next one, the next gen Androids that will be out in a couple months will have to do, and at least I won't be stuck with AT&T which is horrible where I live. Verizon here I come.
Firewall IP is fantastic, it's amazing how many apps phone home without telling the user.
The problem with iAd is developers are going to get greedy, sooner or later even paid apps will have ads, the same way paid TV now has ads.
i would assume that as ppi is pixels per inch - and that an inch as it is displayed to the "unaided eye" is relative to how close you put it to your eye, that it would be any distance.
There is a point where too close and you can't focus - sure you could use a magnifying glass BUT then it wouldn't be the "unaided eye".
'...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
I also hear the new iPhone is powered almost entirely by the user's sense of self-importance, hence the extra few hours of call time.
Unsure if that is a new feature, though.
I agree, for smaller portable devices, you never want fixed layout like PDF. Reflowed content is much better than doing some horrible viewport scrolling around a page larger than your screen. People get a fetish about all the multitouch scroll and zoom, but frankly that is no way to read a large document.
But, I remember being impressed by the LCD on my ipod nano. I hope for the day they push the industry towards 300 ppi in a larger format display, such as ipad or a laptop. I think with resolution like that, PDF can really start to be nice, e.g. it looks like a printed page for most purposes.
story:
The iPhone 4 supports 802.11n...has stainless steel around the edges, which turns out to be part of the antenna
you:
No wireless
What, exactly, do you mean by 'wireless'? I'm honestly asking; 802.11x is 'wireless', no? What value of 'wireless' do you have in mind?
As an app developer, I haven't even bothered to look at iAds -- screen real estate is at way too much of a premium. It's possible, just possible, that I could find a way to fit it in to my iPad app, but I don't like the idea of it either and so it'll only be looked at as I start to make decisions about the product levels I'll offer (free version, pay version, add-on packages, etc.) and the overall business plan.
With 5 times stronger than steel and glass 30 times harder than plastic..
Will it Blend?
Yeah, I mean, who wants the world's largest selection of quality apps, all vetted to be reasonably sure of being malware-free and of at least a minimum level of quality and stability!
Yeah, because fart apps are considered quality. Quantity != quality. Plenty of quality apps have been denied, while plenty of crap is available in the app store.
Even though, at present, the "walled garden" provides a superior all-around app experience for most people
New Kids on the Block had a number 1 hit. "Superior" is very subjective.
there are some for whom ideology trumps reality. And I'm the one that gets called "fanboy"?
You are defending the fact that your device is artificially limited. That, to me, is the very definition of a fanboy.
Nothing I can do or say will change the fact that Apple retains control over what you can and can't do with your device. The only thing I can do is vote with my wallet, so that's what I do. Forgive me for being a consumer who pays attention.
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Does anyone know what the "Retina display" means?
The resolution exceeds that of the retina.
Is it just a marketing term (a la "Powerglide transmission") or does it actually describe some innovation in the display?
Yes, it's a marketing term.
And can we please pitch in and buy Steve Jobs a sandwich? Even Kate Moss says he's too skinny.
Dude just recovered from cancer. Not just cancer, but a type of cancer that is to cancer what most cancers are to not having cancer at all, which fucked up his liver and he had to get that replaced after getting past the cancer. I usually don't comment on personal attacks, but this one is exceptional in its lack of class, and not even at least being funny enough to make up for it.
You want free videoconferencing on your forward-camera phone? Use Fring - I'm using it on my EVO on travel, and I'm Skype videoconferencing our offices just with my phone.
http://www.fring.com/fring_is/what_is_fring/
It's too simple:
1. Create Fring account
2. Attach Fring to whatever xport you want. I don't have any special skype app installed, I just told Fring that I wanted to use Skype and AIM, logged in to each and I was good to go.
Won't support video or audio thru AIM, so I'm SOL for my iChat only friends - but Skype - works great.
Pathological kinda promises Path + Logical - but instead, you get stuck with pathetic.
Read it and weep, puny feature^^^^^^smartphone makers!!
1. This baby has 2 cameras, one of which is a whopping 5Mpel! This wipes the floor with everything that came before!
2. It can now even do sci-fi like video calls (ok, Wifi only, but still...) Bet you never though of that one!
3. The ebook reader can even read PDF! Ha!! In your faces!
4. It even runs more than 1 program at the time! Emulate this, suckers!
Yes sir, visionary Steve (all blessings be upon him) did it again!
PS Just kidding. Look like real nice kit, but a tad too expesive for me.
That statement implies that not only AT&T, but other carriers, will be carrying the iPhone. Which other carriers? That fact would be by far the biggest news about the new iPhone. And one step away from the total vertical monopoly Jobs has managed to lock people into if they want to "Think Different" about their phone.
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How are we not affected by the dictatorship of Steve Jobs?
Because you don't have to buy an iPhone. Seriously. I like the iPhone well enough but it's hardly the only usable smartphone out there. Presently I use a Nokia smartphone and it works well enough for my purposes that I'm in no hurry to trade it in. Don't like Apple's policies? Don't buy from Apple. I'm sure the makers of Android, Blackberry and other smart phones will be happy to take your money.
We're not allowed to use GPL'd software;
If that bothers you buy one of the other phones that permits the use of GPL software. They certainly exist.
we're not allowed to use applications that replicate included functionality; we're not allowed to modify the UI to our liking; we're not allowed to watch porn;...
Again, there are other products that permit all of this. You realize you don't have to like the iPhone right? It's completely ok if you buy something else. Furthermore if you don't care about Apple's blessing you can even do all this on a jailbroken iPhone.
This is different from shopping at Wal-Mart, Target, etc. because those companies might not sell what you're interested in, but they aren't going to stop you from buying the products you want from another source.
You can buy competing phones that are functionally equivalent to an iPhone. No they aren't identical but that's ok - Mac's and PCs aren't identical but you can do most of the same things on each. Economists even have a term for that. Apple isn't stopping you from buying products you want from another source either. My Nokia phone does essentially everything the iPhone 3G does, albeit with a fair bit less panache. Your analogy is quite simply wrong because you are defining the product too narrowly. If your definition of the product is "something that works on an iPhone" then yes, you will be frustrated. But if your definition is "useful smartphone software", there are vast options available to you. Don't paint yourself into a corner and you won't have a problem.
Please, stop glossing over the fact that this "walled garden" blows; it's insulting to my intelligence.
So buy somewhere else and stop whining. Plenty of very intelligent people have looked at the facts and come to a different conclusion. They obviously are not bothered by the same things that bother you. Speaking for myself, if the built in apps suit my needs I don't care if I can't replace them. I want a device that is well enough designed that I don't need to alter the interface. I don't remotely care if porn is available on the iPhone because I'll never use it for that purpose. Despite my being a big fan of the GPL, I don't even care if the iPhone has any GPL software because if I want GPL software I can get it elsewhere. The iPhone is there if I want it and I can buy some very good competing products if they suit my needs better. You are free to do the same.
I suppose if I embraced the lack of freedom, I'd be happy. Not unlike the Patriot Act, I might add.
That's a profoundly stupid argument. Comparing the federal government taking away civil liberties to a manufacturer of a technology product not producing exactly the product you rather arrogantly feel entitled to? That is amazingly lacking in perspective.
So wait, you mean its impossible to post an article and then have people post continuing updates in the thread? The mind reels.
Go easy, man. Usually the complaint about Slashdot is that its news stories are days old. Give us time to adapt!
We have just experienced a failed slashcode test. ;)
Slashdot 3.0 will be able to post dupes prior to an event's conclusion
I don't see anything wrong with adding them PROVIDED that developers offer users a choice between a "pay once" and a "pay via ads" option. If they want to charge, say, $20 for the non-ad version and $0 for the ad version, it could be a useful option for some people. At the very least it would give people an easy way to demo the software, and if they like it, then they can buy the "real" (non-ad) version.
Having said all that, I personally would never, ever, ever use the "iAd" version except to test the software temporarily, because I hate ads too. I'll certainly be staying away from apps where ads are the only option.
Dude just recovered from cancer. Not just cancer, but a type of cancer that is to cancer what most cancers are to not having cancer at all, which fucked up his liver and he had to get that replaced after getting past the cancer. I usually don't comment on personal attacks, but this one is exceptional in its lack of class, and not even at least being funny enough to make up for it.
A public figure is a target for random ridicule?
Cry me a river.
Indigent's Apple discount supplier?
Aids?
he who controls the spice controls the universe
"artificially limited"
You are assuming this is inherently a bad thing. Unless you'd like my behavior to not be artificially limited by laws and authority. Because if you don't want anything to be artificially limited, you won't mind me coming over there to strangle your stupid short-sighted ass for making dumb assumptions.
Huge selling point will be Divx support. Obviously, it will need a jailbreak.. but even with a jailbreak, my iPhone 3G can't properly play Divx.
At 10-12 inches. As Jobs said in the speech.
Towards the Singularity.
Front-facing camera, video conferencing, HD recording, multitasking all have been around for a while. 960x640 at 326ppi is not different in any practical sense from the 800x480 272ppi screens found on many other phones; the oddball resolution is probably mainly a concession to lack of resolution independence in many iPhone apps, allowing for simple pixel-doubling (hello, Palm!).
This device is a nice upgrade for iPhone users, but it just gives them parity with other smartphones, nothing more.
Once again from the consumer point of view, I'm a huge believer in try before you buy. As soon as they enabled in-app purchase in free apps, I got rid of all my lite versions and converted them all to free with in-app purchase to enable full functionality. Now I know that may not be appropriate for all apps, but that was my solution to that problem.
Without jailbreaking, you can actually run Safari on your iPhone through an ad-blocking proxy, but it is wi-fi only as you go through the VPN settings. Not really worth it, IMO, since the most annoying ads (Flash) already can't display.
why are you assuming that iAds will ever be transmitted over the cell network?
Like anyone can even know that
And the developer or whoever is running the server can optionally decide to allow you to continue using something if they detect ads being blocked.
But then again, I make $texas (relative to my normal income) in giving sites ways to detect Adblock and ban you, or serve up less content, or just not display anything to you at all. "But adblock filters will find a way!" Mmmhmm, and I'll be given more money to get around the fixes.
Yeah, I know it's an arms race - but I get paid for it. Adblock filter writers do not :) The more people fight against it the more money I get.
It's a beautiful world.
Note: I don't accept payment or contracts from sites that use popover, popunder, or flash ads with default sound to 'on'. The most successful ads are the ones that annoy people the least. You have the power to block ads - but these people also have the power to block adblockers from sucking up their bandwidth :) It isn't about canceling out AdBlock (too easy to work around that), it's about not wasting time with people that are using it.
I have bifocals on top of 20/20 vision in my left eye (long story, involving lazy eye and farsightedness in the right eye.) Bring 400 ppi screens on.
As GP pointed out, the joke sucked. That is a perfectly valid reason to criticize it.
Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
Yep, it's a "Blast Processing" marketing term.
Dude just recovered from cancer. Not just cancer, but a type of cancer that is to cancer what most cancers are to not having cancer at all, which fucked up his liver and he had to get that replaced after getting past the cancer. I usually don't comment on personal attacks, but this one is exceptional in its lack of class, and not even at least being funny enough to make up for it.
A public figure is a target for random ridicule?
Cry me a river.
That's why I wrote the part I bolded above for you. I'm not making this point because someone dared to ridicule someone else (public or otherwise), but for the topic (not subject) of the ridicule and the lack of humor (which tends to allow almost any level of otherwise inappropriate ridicule).
Which event is the more important? The debut of the iPhone 4, or the return of Futurama as a television series?
For me it's no question. I am planning my schedule around Futurama but will be waiting on a jailbreak being released before I upgrade my iPhone.
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I installed Atomic Web Browser ($.99) on my iPad as I wasn't sure about jailbreaking it. My 3GS is jailbroken but it's caused a few issues. And os 4 looks pretty nice.
but year, Firewall IP is awesome, the calls home you mention are quite the eye opener.
Trolling is a art,
That, or learn to read. I made it clear I don't give two shits if you make fun of Steve Jobs. There's plenty about him to ridicule. But to ridicule a cancer surviver for being skinny after losing his fucking liver? I don't care who the target of such a comment is, it's out of line.
Whoops, replied to my comment not the first reply. Damn iPhone... ;)
Trolling is a art,
Hopefully andriod and other competition keeps them honest. Game consoles are even worse as I can't even figure out how to get a development kit or get my applications on one.
People want "just works" over "I can code on it". Most consumers aren't coders.
On the plus side for us developers Apple just paid out 1 billion dollars to app developers. thats a billion dollar phone market that wasn't there before.
Steve Jobs single handedly changed the mobile app market for the better as well:
http://cdixon.org/2010/06/06/steve-jobs-single-handedly-restructured-the-mobile-industry/
Think of all the poor dead sperm...
It's even worse if you don't ejaculate for a long time - the sperm get reabsorbed into your body as new ones are produced.
It's kind of like cannibalism.
Poor analogy. The phone is opt-in, so your analogy would be better if you asked the OP whether they'd want any limits on any consensual person-to-person interaction they want, which I'm sure you realise is fucking retarded. Like your analogy.
I'm genuinely curious about how this works. I only read the live engadget blog, but I didn't see a mention of how this application connects to another iphone. Does it do it via phone number, mobileme/AIM, or jabber type of connection (via email addy)? Is there some sort of user agent checking that tells the application it's really talking to another iPhone or what?
What would be interesting to see, is if this is some way to appease the telcos until the feature goes live and then one day they just open it up to connect to all sorts of video confrencing/video IM applications.
Honestly, I would love to have this iPhone. It looks great and reminds me of a sony ericsson that I had quite a few years back. I agree that there really isn't anything super revolutionary about this particular iPhone, but I don't really think that Steve Jobs is an innovator in tech, as much as he is a diplomat with a keen eye for style. The real revolutionary stuff that comes from Apple is more in terms of design and simplified function than real technological progress. Even the Apple haters will give Apple some credit for the aesthetics of their machines. I could be wrong, but until Apple came along with bolder machine cases, everything was beige, white, and sometimes black. I don't really think that would have changed a whole lot in the mainstream had it not been for them. Even the newer phones are riding Apple's design coattails in form and function. For another company to de-throne Apple, that company would have to take some design risks and (I hate saying this,) think outside of the box. I'm not the guy to come up with it though. I really can't imagine something better than a rectangle for a mobile phone.
So Flash is the open alternative compared to Apples apps which are written in horrible...Objective-C?
Objective-C vs Flash is no contest. Apple may have proprietary API's but there is nothing to keep you from re-releasing the code for another platform. If you develop in Flash, you're Adobe's bitch forever.
Which is just exactly what Steve Said in the keynote. That resolution also happens to be exactly 2x the current resolution in both x and y making scaling a breeze.
Think before you type.
Setting aside your disregard for the Star Wars reference (turn in your geek card as you leave) I still consider you an optimist in your calculation of the odds of seeing Addblock Plus in the App Store.
I just hope the megapixel story won't be repeated with cellphone resolution, and we are not going to see stuff like 400-dpi 3" screens.
On the contrary, I hope we do! Resolution like that would make the VR goggle aspirations of the 90s and augmented reality aspirations of the present a reality. If the initial resolution war is fought on cell phone screens, so be it.
Not only that, but while your casual snapshot taker doesn't need more then 5 megapixels, your professional photographer certainly does. Generally speaking, "the money is at the bottom". Selling a million iPhones at $200 could allow the development of $2000 HMD where you can't see the pixels at 1" from your eye.
Cool art gallery, if you're into that sort of thing.
All ads have done is resulted in a proliferation of free apps with limited functionality and lots of adverts. It's cluttered the marketplace and made it difficult to distinguish between applications and value.
I like the model of the Textie app. It comes in only one ad-supported version. If you try the app and like it but hate the ads, you can pay $0.99 as an in-app purchase to disable them.
I think that's a win for all involved. I don't have to pay a penny to initially test the full version of the app and there's no crippled demo version that I have to extrapolate from. The developer gets a lot more downloads than if it were a paid app, and doesn't have to deal with 1-star reviews on a demo version like "this demo version sucks cause it doesn't have all the features of the paid app and $0.99 is too expensive they should give it away for free".
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
No, you see, the turtleneck can be pulled up and around the phone, for an intimate, and muffled experience.
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They might come as a bundled package that sits in memory on your phone, that is refreshed when you sync with iTunes. There's nothing to say one way or the other whether they will be downloaded via the cellular network.
FaceTime video chat app lacks a "Next" button.
There are a whole bunch of websites that I've been browsing almost every single day for years, and have never personally given them even a dime of my money. If it wasn't for advertisers paying some bills, then I wouldn't get to do that.
Accept the reality. Content isn't free to produce. Someone has to pay for it. You can mumble whatever you want about subscriptions or micropayments or whatever, but the reality is that all of that stuff implemented on a large scale would be just annoying as your average web ad, and you'd rather not pay anyways.
That's not to say that some ads are more tasteful while others are purposefully aggravating and quite annoying. But to pretend that everything would be puppies and roses if web ads went away is to ignore how the world works.
One time I threw a brick at a duck.
Another place to do chores for NOTHING.
What is this fascination with farming? Oh yeah, that's right. The computer version doesn't smell.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
I believe I can do VPN on iPhone through 3G.... why cant you ?
Correct. That's why I wrote, "yeah, I mean, who wants the world's largest selection of quality apps". The App Store has the largest selection of quality apps, not just the largest selections of apps alone (which it also has).
You are limited to the app store. Android (and, even though as an OS it isn't as robust, Windows Mobile 6.5) are limited to anything written for them available anywhere on the Internet, with no hacking or modding required.
Yeah, like 5 or something. That doesn't change the fact that the App Store has more quality apps than any other mobile store out there.
Again, you are still limited to the store. For Android, for example, you have the choice of going through the official store or any other place online that provides applications.
Whereas the Android Marketplace has no crap apps?
It does, but once again, Android users aren't limited to the Marketplace.
You pay so close attention that you think fart apps are indicative of the overall App Store, that thinks that the iPhone is a locked down wasteland, while Android is a thriving metropolis?
No, I was merely using fart apps as an example. Overall, yes, the Appstore does have plenty to offer. However, I don't like being restricted to a single location as a means for finding applications for my phone, regardless of what that single location offers. Why wouldn't Apple enable you to download things from places other than the Appstore? People that actually need the walled garden can stick to the Store, and "power users" would be free to go elsewhere. So why doesn't Apple do that?
No, you're simply informed that the App Store is locked down, and that Android is less locked down, any any other fact be damned.
You're right. Unless I hack an iPhone, I am limited to the Appstore, again, regardless of what that may include. With Android, I have the option of the Appstore and other sources, without having to hack my phone.
Bullshit. Apple doesn't control what I can do, they merely control what apps I can get from the App Store, nothing more. I can buy a key and compile and run any app I want. I don't even have to buy a key, someone else can and distribute an app to hundreds of people for free. I can jailbreak. I can use HTML5 apps, which are extremely capable (Google's Voice webapp is fantastic).
See bold section. Having to hack your phone to leap over the walled garden isn't necessarily something to use in an attempt to sway my opinion, when I can already download anything I want from wherever I want for my unmodified device.
No, I'm defending the fact that the device has far more quality options than any other device out there. You are defending a device that is actually limited by actually not having as many quality apps for nothing more than ideology.
Once again, Android devices aren't limited to the Appstore.
That's the definition of a fanboy.
I don't have an iPhone primarily because I don't want to be stuck with a single location for applications. I'm sorry that seems stupid to you, but that is my requirement, and as of now the iPhone doesn't meet that requirement.
Not buying a product because it doesn't do what I want makes me a fanboy?
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the screen is higher than 300ppi, which is a resolution greater than the human eye can resolve.
Wouldn't it depend on how close the screen is to your eye?
Yeah, I definitely agree that's a great way to reduce app clutter and confusion. The good thing is that Apple is offering these types of tools to developers so that we can be innovative and creative with how we finance the development. The more tools we have the better the apps can get.
Sapere aude!
Hey, that's the same as successfully navigating an asteroid field! Does this mean Apple is developing a rocket? Must be, let's see if Gizmondo can find that laying around and leak pictures.
I actually have that setup on my WiFi at home... squid proxy. works well, and decreases the loading time of pages by quite a bit.
Though I'd have to say, along the same vein, I'm glad there's no flash on the iPhone, just imagine how much longer it'd take to pull all the flash based web ads. Bleh.
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Come on Apple, how do you expect others to respect your trademarks if you don't respect other?
Ever think of checking your facts before commenting? From the FaceTime IM company web site:
"Our agreement with Apple to transfer the FaceTime trademark to them comes as we are rebranding our company to better reflect our capabilities. We will be announcing a new name in the coming months."
Our Name - FaceTime As you've probably heard, Apple has announced that it will use "FaceTime" as the trademark for its new video calling application Our agreement with Apple to transfer the FaceTime trademark to them comes as we are rebranding our company to better reflect our capabilities. We will be announcing a new name in the coming months.
http://facetime.com/LearnMore.aspx
There aint no pancake so thin it doesn't have two sides.
at about 12 inches.
wha'? where am i?
http://facetime.com/LearnMore.aspx "Our agreement with Apple to transfer the FaceTime trademark to them comes as we are rebranding our company to better reflect our capabilities. We will be announcing a new name in the coming months."
Quantity != quality
You know, nobody bought that argument when mac users were saying the same thing about PC applications.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
this is the iPhone, after all!
Does this mean iPhone 4 will work in Korea, Japan, China, Europe, etc.?
Thank you in advance. :)
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I'd love to write a best-selling novel, but until Bedford St. Martin's gives me 100% assurance that they will publish and advertise my novel before I start writing it, I'm not going to write a word of it.
There is a fundamental risk in writing new books: "Will customers read this?" This risk can be calculated to a certain extent. My concern with writing a novel for Bedford St. Martin's is that an additional incalculable risk exists, and it is simply too much to bear.
Indeed adverts are. Adblock Plus is a browser plugin so that adds are an optional thing a user can choose to accept. I'm unclear as to what way graphics heavy adverts will be 'win-win for ... iOS users' given that as of today it is no longer possible to start an unlimited data contract.
Will a user be winning when an ad for an ap that would have cost $1.99 for the ad-free version sends them over their monthly cap and results in a $10 bill from AT&T?
Do you have any idea how many iAds a person would have to click on to affect their 2GB cap? This is a rather silly concern.
All ads have done is resulted in a proliferation of free apps with limited functionality and lots of adverts. It's cluttered the marketplace and made it difficult to distinguish between applications and value. It's not immediately obvious how much paid or versions of similar apps cost, making price comparisons more difficult for the user. Where's the 'win' in that?
There are already ads on iPhone apps. The win here is that iAds is pretty damned impressive.
1. Users can click on an ad without leaving the app they're in. I've never clicked on an iPhone ad, for the simple reason that I don't want to be kicked out of the app. Multitasking in iOS 4 helps alleviate this, but the way iAds does this is even better still.
2. The ads are rather compelling in their own right. I'm far more likely to mess around a few seconds on an ad that is even mildly engaging, rather than just the banner-style ads that currently exist.
3. Developers can easily ad iAds, and not have to set up new accounts, worry about metrics, etc.
Apple, developers, users and advertisers. It's hard to see any party that doesn't benefit from this, other than the existing mobile ad companies.
Apple have distinct carrier contracts. What would have been innovative would have been to negotiate with carriers, make bandwidth to Apple's Ad servers not count as part of a user's allowance and have the advertiser pick up the cost of serving their Ad.
That would be nice (although just this weekend someone got "+5 Insightful" for saying that if Apple were to make a deal with AT&T to allow free bandwidth for Apple services, that he would (and others should) immediately boycott Apple.
Would you watch network television if you were billed for each ad you see?
What? You aren't billed per ad with iAds. On the contrary, you end up getting an app for free instead. The current pattern is that apps tend to have a paid and an ad-funded version (if there is an ad-funded version at all). If you really don't like ads, and somehow think that you'll have to pay $10 extra per month for a gigabyte of ads, then just buy the paid app. Problem solved.
"Apple senior vice president of superlatives" :-)
They need one for the next iPad/iPhone and such.
I think all superlatives and "oh my god is this cool"-words are used up.
I think their next product will be a wordbook that contains the words necessary to glorify the next but one product
Anyway - I have to leave now - I am on my way camping for the iPhone - hope to be the first in line...
Except you can already get an adblocked browser for the iPhone, so I will take your odds quite happily.
You just can't get it on Safari, since it does not support plugins.
"You did it backwards. You're supposed to marry the Jewish girl and fool around with the shiksa." So buy the iPad and steal software for your PC.
Recent HTC CDMA phones such as TP2 support all the GSM/HS frequencies *and* the advanced CDMA ones as well. Phones for Korea market include both SIM and CDMA removable cards.
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Some people do, most people don't. It is just not worth it for most developers to keep 2 versions of every app, considering now you have to also keep an ipad version, and a higher resolution version for the new iphone.
Why does the Engadget article say the phone will be available for $199 for the 16gb model? Is that for an unlocked phone that YOU own, or is that just the down payment for the lease agreement masquerading as a call plan?
An unlocked HTC Desire costs £400 in UK. The 16gb 3GS unlocked is £650 ($940), though £440 for PAYG, which has no committment but is locked to a carrier so you don't fully own it.
Tiny 14 megapixels on latest batch of cameras are there to showcase the lens weaknesses and noise reduction algorithms.
No professional photographer needs more megapixels than his lens can resolve. And pros are often more pragmatic than regular consumers: some still shoot with first generation Canon 1D (4MP) - it works, and is enough for newspapers. A lot of pros shoot product photos for their customers' web sites - they don't need resolution at all, only good lighting.
For real VR glasses you need much higher resolution than what the new iphone offers (e.g. 1080p in a 1" display, ~2200dpi). I'm afraid it won't happen as a by-product of cellphone development, someone has to target that market specifically.
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
Heh! Odds of that being approved for the App Store are approximately 3,720 to 1.
http://www.icab.de/mobile.html
http://www.appbird.com/adblockweb/
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
Reality distortion field alert!
Your post is 100% iFail(tm)
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-1 offtopic for talking about what Jobs is showing in the unveiling powerpoint presentation? Apple fanboys have raided Slashdot, and they're retarded.
Powerpoint? Who is retarded, Tard?
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
viewing apple.com on firefox on a macbook... it loads the new iphone ad, and then it disappears and the site is just the navigation bar and the footer. very unprofessional.
Amusing thought from a dead and overrated comic. He obviously only worked from word of mouth and never advertised his shows or albums.
Or DID he?
But then I don't live my life according to a fucking stand-up comedian. But if you take your christ figures in the shape of a professional giggle-man, more power to you. It's your life.
You mean the android that is aimed at phone manufacturers, not you? Whereby you likely cannot upgrade to the latest version, may not even be able to access the app store if your carrier locks it out (optus!!), and have to do a convoluted "root" proceedure which is different for every phone (and doesn't exist yet for some phones!) in order to have more access to the OS than you have on an iphone?
I honestly see no difference except that you have more choice over your form factor (a good thing) and that you can write apps in java instead of objc (another good thing)... not that you'll be able to INSTALL those apps if your carrier or phone manufacturer doesn't want you to.
Marketing - the screen is higher than 300ppi, which is a resolution greater than the human eye can resolve.
That is wrong.
The human eye can resolve nearly twice that resolution. How ever if you refer to computer/TV screens or printed media and the typical displayed images then you are right in so far: there is very rarely an image where this matters.
However if you have a 600 DPI print output of 3 pixels, black white black, then the human eye easy sees the gap between the 2 black pixels.
angel'o'sphere
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
It is just not worth it for most developers to keep 2 versions of every app, considering now you have to also keep an ipad version, and a higher resolution version for the new iphone.
It can all be done in a single version. The iPhone and iPad versions can easily be made to run as a single app which run on either device, no matter the resolution. Also, with in-app purchases you can have a free version which converts into a paid version upon making the in-app payment. This means a developer can easily have a single version in the app store which covers all the bases.
There are quite a few apps in the app store which have consolidated themselves in this fashion. It's really very little extra work for the developer and because they only have to maintain a single app it actually ends up saving work. It also makes it less confusing for consumers so your app is more likely to be purchased.
Sapere aude!
I honestly see no difference except that you have more choice over your form factor (a good thing) and that you can write apps in java instead of objc (another good thing)... not that you'll be able to INSTALL those apps if your carrier or phone manufacturer doesn't want you to.
The key thing is that you have a choice...if you don't like what a manufacturer/carrier has to offer, you can go with someone else.
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... involving lazy eye ...
They'll definitely bring 400ppi displays, but in 3D only. Just to make you feel bad.
Sure, glass is the most important thing when it comes to sharpness, but image resolution can really save your ass sometimes. There are times you're just not going to be close enough or fast enough to get the shot, or your going to find something in the background that really adds to the shoot (I'm talking event here). In those cases being able to crop in and maintain sharpness can save your ass.
Pros are pragmatic, and very often improvise, but I've never known a photographer that didn't want the best equipment that they could get their hands on. My fiancee is a professional photographer and I have a BFA in photography, in fact most people I know are either artists or professional photographers. My fiancee will shoot with her old Nikon D70 (hell she'll shoot with my F3 sometimes) if she has to, but she'd rather use her D300.
As far as VR goes, sure you need a lot more resolution then you'll ever need on a cell phone. My point is that the companies making the screens for the cell phones are the same companies that will be making the screens for VR. Its not just technological cross pollination, its money for R and D.
Cool art gallery, if you're into that sort of thing.
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
Heh! Odds of that being approved for the App Store are approximately 3,720 to 1.
It's actually exactly 1.
It wasn't a bad decision. Having a fixed resolution means that apps can be designed to a pixel perfect degree. And given that 3 years later, they have been able to up the resolution in a way that means all those apps remain pixel perfect means that fixing the resolution in the first place wasn't a technological dead end.
For a desktop windowing OS, variable resolution combined with resolution independence is a good thing. Apps run in windows that can be of any size, and the generous screen space allows plenty of flexibility for apps to rearrange themselves to suit. For a screen as small as a smartphone that just doesn't work. Designers have to design very carefully to fit the app UI on the screen in a good way.
On the one hand you are criticising Apple for not allowing enough freedom. On the other hand you are criticising the result of freedom - some developers choose to release fart apps. Get the logic of your criticism straight before you start ranting.
So, if FaceTime only works on WiFi, does that mean there will be an App for your MacBook or MacBook Pro so you can get FaceTime calls on your laptop? I mean if you can't use it over wireless, and doing WiFi-only (for now), then why not have an FaceTime app for the laptop so both users don't have to have an iPhone4?
Awk! Pieces of eight. Pieces of eight. Pieces of seven... ERROR: General Protection Fault. [Paroty Error.]
Sounds reasonable enough to me. I'm a developer myself and I don't think I'll be doing it either. However, I could see people doing it as a way to put out a clearly-labeled free version to defray development costs and serve as a try-before-you-buy.
It depends on a lot of factors but at least it's an option and easy to add into an app if you want to give it a whirl.
This is how the Android market works (in a de facto, not policy sense) presently. I'm hardly putting up the Android market (it's terrible, IMO as someone who has an iPad and an Android phone to contrast with) as an example of it being done right, but I'm pointing out this is what the Android app developers have chosen to do when presented with the choices you're about to face as iOS developers.
Many non-free apps have two versions: Appname, Appname Free. Where the 'Free' generally implies ad-supported, if it's not outright labeled as having trial-esque limitations.
This works generally well, for me at least, as I find the ads wasteful (in loading time, CPU, etc. (I have unlimited data)). So if it's an app I use for more than a day or so I'll buy the premium version to support development and skip the ads.
I suspect this will translate over to the App Store in a similar way.
Well, that decision is probably the reason Apple didn't up the resolution much earlier - first WVGA phones appeared about 2 years ago. It may have cost Apple some sales (I know it was one of the factors for me).
In addition, the older apps are going to look worse than what they could have been (even those that are already capable of utilizing the full resolution and do it fine with FullForce from cydia). But it probably doesn't concern Apple much, everyone will be forced to update their apps eventually.
Interestingly, those are the same odds that C3PO gave against Luke Skywalker surviving the night when he was lost on the ice world Hoth.
He made it..
If you deliberately decide to buy a phone where the manufacturer has disabled the most useful features - being able to install non-market apps or even access the app store at all - then it's just dumb to complain about that afterwards. The fact is, there *is* choice, so choose! Don't reward old school dinosaur carriers and phone manufacturers with your business. It's a new world now.
Setting aside your disregard for the Star Wars reference (turn in your geek card as you leave)
Let's get this straight: referencing the solution to:
Consider an n-dimensional hypercube, and connect each pair of vertices to obtain a complete graph on 2n vertices. Then colour each of the edges of this graph using only the colours red and black. What is the smallest value of n for which every possible such colouring must necessarily contain a single-coloured complete sub-graph with 4 vertices which lie in a plane?
is not geeky, but awareness of a mainstream hollywood kids action movie is?
Someone must have changed the definition of geekiness while I wasn't looking.
You must be a Trekkie.
To be fair to use anything other than the market you have to go into settings and change an option, which takes about as long as jailbreaking :D
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
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You are limited to the app store. ... ... ...
Again, you are still limited to the store.
It does, but once again, Android users aren't limited to the Marketplace.
However, I don't like being restricted to a single location as a means for finding applications for my phone, regardless of what that single location offers.
Exactly. You don't care about the reality of what's offered, but instead by your ideological aversion to having only one app store.
Bullshit. Apple doesn't control what I can do, they merely control what apps I can get from the App Store, nothing more. I can buy a key and compile and run any app I want. I don't even have to buy a key, someone else can and distribute an app to hundreds of people for free. I can jailbreak. I can use HTML5 apps, which are extremely capable (Google's Voice webapp is fantastic).
See bold section. Having to hack your phone to leap over the walled garden isn't necessarily something to use in an attempt to sway my opinion, when I can already download anything I want from wherever I want for my unmodified device.
No, you read the bold section. You don't have to hack the iPhone to run apps from outside the app store. You don't even have to pay to do so.
Once again, Android devices aren't limited to the Appstore. ...
I don't have an iPhone primarily because I don't want to be stuck with a single location for applications. I'm sorry that seems stupid to you
Not wanting to be stuck with a single app store is not stupid, but choosing an inferior product for the primary reason that it has the option for additional sources of apps tends towards the irrational. I.e., fanboyism.
Now, if you truly think that Android will end up with more apps because of this, or at the very least, more high quality apps, then your decision to avoid the iPhone is rational, but the basis behind it is still based on ideology. There's no reason whatsoever to believe that third party Android app stores is going to result in more apps than the iPhone. What will result in more apps is more users and a higher-quality user experience. Android lags significantly behind iPhone in both categories.
Or put differently, if there was a third-party app store for iOS, how many more quality apps would there be? There'd be a native Google Voice (like I already said, though, the existing web app is excellent), there'd be that Squeak interpreter app. There'd be a bunch of porn apps. And...? Flash?
Oh, what a long list of things I can't have!
You repeat the "there's only one app store" thing over and over, but you completely fail to demonstrate how that's a problem. It's just ideology. It's fanboyism.
Reality distortion field alert!
Your post is 100% iFail(tm)
Thanks for that well thought out rebuttal. It's so wonderfully full of Insight, you got modded up for it!
Is there a way to tell if an app had iAds before buying/downloading it? I think it should be a requirement that iAd apps are flagged as such in the app store. It would really piss me off if I paid for an app only to find ads inside.
For that matter, there are so many apps that require you to register before using them. These should be flagged as well.
I find it astounding that we have so much crap to deal with in the mobile realm. We thought desktop apps were annoying. They were just the beginning.
Would you drink Coca Cola / eat McDonald's / make a call on an iPhone / put gas in your car / etc / etc ... if you knew that a significant portion of the cost was going to fund American Idol / America's Funniest Home Videos / Big Bother 49 / America's Got Talent? Your cup of overpriced coffee is making Simon Cowell and Kobe Bryant rich....
Exactly. You don't care about the reality of what's offered, but instead by your ideological aversion to having only one app store.
I see. So you're saying my opinion is wrong. Thanks.
Not wanting to be stuck with a single app store is not stupid, but choosing an inferior product for the primary reason that it has the option for additional sources of apps tends towards the irrational. I.e., fanboyism.
opinion.
Now, if you truly think that Android will end up with more apps because of this, or at the very least, more high quality apps, then your decision to avoid the iPhone is rational, but the basis behind it is still based on ideology. There's no reason whatsoever to believe that third party Android app stores is going to result in more apps than the iPhone. What will result in more apps is more users and a higher-quality user experience. Android lags significantly behind iPhone in both categories.
I haven't seen anything the iPhone OS can do that Android can't. Can you name some?
You repeat the "there's only one app store" thing over and over, but you completely fail to demonstrate how that's a problem. It's just ideology. It's fanboyism.
I told you why it's a problem. I personally don't want to be tied to a single store. It's not fanboyism, it's what I want.
Living With a Nerd
Is that why there's no MS Office 13 or no "13 anything" in hotels? (surely pandering to people "sufficiently educated to have grown out of that kind of nonsense"...)
Besides, those markets you so favorably speak of are the ones with most growth potential...and you have to realise that even on simple marketing & linguistic level the name of new iPhone is a very poor choice - it literally sounds like "iPhone Death"!
One that hath name thou can not otter
Ever think of checking your facts before commenting?
You must be new here...
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
Heh! Odds of that being approved for the App Store are approximately 3,720 to 1.
Install GlimmerBlocker on a machine that's always available, and use it as a proxy for your phone.
Ok, so it's completely ridiculous, but it works.
To clarify, I never said that the iPhone sucks, nor did I say that Android is the best. I simply said that it provides me with what I want. Again, not fanboyism, just my opinion. In fact, if you look at my original post that you replied to, I specifically stated that Android was where it was at for me.
Also, for what it's worth, the people modding you down because of your opinion can suck it.
Living With a Nerd
Tiny 14 megapixels on latest batch of cameras are there to showcase the lens weaknesses and noise reduction algorithms.
No professional photographer needs more megapixels than his lens can resolve. And pros are often more pragmatic than regular consumers: some still shoot with first generation Canon 1D (4MP) - it works, and is enough for newspapers. A lot of pros shoot product photos for their customers' web sites - they don't need resolution at all, only good lighting.
You need resolution to allow for cropping.
How was the choice to stick with power-of-two resolution increases a "bad" decision? If you just want your programs to look like complete ass, then by all means, design them in a resolution- and aspect ratio-independent way.
Resolution-independent design and fractional scaling are two things that work a whole lot better in theory than they ever will in practice.
You are absolutely right, but in a controlled environment (like product shots) it's much better to use proper focal length, frame well and crop only a little.
Usually cropping can get you at most 2x the focal length (even with 21MP you'll be left with 5MP after 2x crop; interpolation and the lens weaknesses will be much more apparent on the cropped picture).
While I find most advertising to be boring, manipulative and a general waste of time for both the advertisers and their audience, and also find Bill Hicks very funny, I think a blanket statement like that betrays not only the useful purpose ads can serve (making people aware of consumer choice where they would otherwise be limited) and also the fact that many ads can be genuinely clever, creative and inherently entertaining.
Advertising makes possible the magazines people enjoy reading, the TV shows they enjoy watching, the web sites and newspapers that educate and inform them.
It's already available if you jailbreak.
Wifi only because AT&T will never allow it. They say they are working with carriers which means outside the US it should be available in no time but inside, you can forget about it.
It is iPhone only, but it sounds like Apple is opening up the protocol for others to use. It would be nice if there was a standard for video calls on phones.
According to Rui Carmo, who's working in the mobile industry for quite a few years, the standard 3GPP video protocol uses 64 kbps:
http://the.taoofmac.com/space/links/2010/06/07/2009
Of course this won't be the BluRay quality that I'm sure you get with the iPhone 4 with H.264, but it gets the job done, and if more bandwidth (i.e., WiFi) because available you can scale up.
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
Use Firefox Mobile on the Nokia N900. It supports extensions and one of them is Adblock Plus.
Somehow most of them manage to look good. Very weird, isn't it? Maybe not apple-good, but I guess I'm not refined enough to notice.
How arrogant of me to feel entitled to use something I paid for any perfectly legal way that I please.
You clearly want to criticize Apple for not supporting what you want to do. Go ahead and hack on your iPhone. Nothing is stopping you. You CAN use GPL software an iPhone - just not with Apple's blessing. If it is so important to you, why the hell do you care what Apple thinks? Make your actions support your words.
If you read the OP, then you'd know that he was defending Apple's draconian policies, which set the tone for my response.
And your response was complete nonsense. I thought I'd made that clear enough. There are advantages and disadvantages to Apple's approach. Since you so clearly don't like what Apple is doing, buy a competing product from a different company. In fact doing so will probably force Apple to have a better and possibly more open product. Competition is good.
You'd also know that he directly compared shopping at the App Store with shopping at any other of these "curated experiences" like Wal-mart or Target, hence the direct reference to his own metaphor.
And he was right. Walmart doesn't sell the porn you seem so eager to get but you certainly can get it elsewhere. Likewise Apple doesn't sell it but that doesn't prevent you from getting it elsewhere. Walmart even sells products under its own labels just like Apple and you can't get them elsewhere. However that doesn't mean you can't get perfectly adequate substitutes elsewhere. In other words stop whining that Apple isn't making exactly what you want and find someone who is.
Now, that I've read his posting back to you, feel free to STFU and RTFOP for yourself, lazybones.
Interesting how your lack of a coherent and logical argument means I'm lazy. Curious.
Sadly, even those who try to escape Steve's clutches ...
"Steve's clutches"? What is he some cartoon villain now? I'm sure he's cackling in his lair right now plotting the next way he can make your life worse by forcing yet another industry to make better and more useful products.
...are affected by the iPhone, as evidenced by the fact that nearly every mobile platform is copying the App Store model, some of them with exactly the same kind of draconian lock-in policies.
Draconian? Let's take the WABAC machine back to the 1960s when AT&T was the only telecom company in town - LITERALLY. Back then you didn't even own the large and primitive phone in your house. It was leased to you by the phone company which was a government sanctioned monopoly and wired directly into the wall. If you didn't pay they came and took the phone from your house. Oh and you paid handsomely for the privilege of having this level of "service". The phone was robust but not remotely innovative and if you think Apple is being "draconian" you really have no idea what draconian is. You have more options now than you ever have had.
Really the enemy here isn't the phone manufacturers. The enemy is the telecom companies. The handset manufacturers main customers aren't you and me. Their customers are the telecom companies (AT&T etc) and the interests of the telecoms differ significantly from yours and mine. That's why most of them historically have paid little attention to the user experience. They didn't have to to sell products to their customers. Apple, despite their flaws, has forced the telecoms and handset manufacturers to pay more attention to the end users. Yes they are being restrictive but most of the worst restrictions come from the telecoms, not the handset makers.
I've met and spoken with Ed Whitacre when he was CEO of AT&T. I've never met a CEO who so bluntly held his customers in lower regard than he did and I've met quite a few Fortune 500 CEOs. My father and grandfather worked for AT&T and its successor companies for a combined 50 years between them. I know these companies well and they are not your friend.
So this is not something we can just sit by and watch, it is an industry wide phenomenon that we must fight on every front that opens up, or one day we will get out of bed and there will be no platforms left where we have the legal right to run our own software any more.
Excellent. Fight the good fight. I support you fighting for open platforms completely. But let's keep the hyperbole out of it shall we? Steve Jobs by all accounts can be a real ass but the phones we have today are better products because of his efforts. There are at least 3 other major phone platforms (Blackberry, Android and Nokia/Symbian) competing with Apple and the more they compete the better off you and I will be.
What's sad is, the most open OS on a smartphone you can buy from a carrier today (nobody buys unlocked GSM phones in the US, so the N900 is out,) from the user perspective, anyway, is WINDOWS FREAKING MOBILE 6.5.3.
Out of the box, you have root.
Not quite...my point was that things like fart apps are approved, while genuinely useful apps are denied. It wasn't a dig at fart apps, but rather Apple's approval policies.
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Exactly. You don't care about the reality of what's offered, but instead by your ideological aversion to having only one app store.
I see. So you're saying my opinion is wrong. Thanks.
No (this double-post is going to be a bit redundant, so I'll try to be brief). Not wrong, just not as objective as it's being portrayed. If you aren't meaning to say it's objective, then your claim that it's not fanboyism[*] loses much of its steam.
Not wanting to be stuck with a single app store is not stupid, but choosing an inferior product for the primary reason that it has the option for additional sources of apps tends towards the irrational. I.e., fanboyism.
opinion.
But based on reality. If your reasoning is not borne out by what actually exists, I don't see how calling it "irrational" is not an apt term.
Now, if you truly think that Android will end up with more apps because of this, or at the very least, more high quality apps, then your decision to avoid the iPhone is rational, but the basis behind it is still based on ideology. There's no reason whatsoever to believe that third party Android app stores is going to result in more apps than the iPhone. What will result in more apps is more users and a higher-quality user experience. Android lags significantly behind iPhone in both categories.
I haven't seen anything the iPhone OS can do that Android can't. Can you name some?
I've never said that iOS has capabilities that Android cannot also do. There are definite differences in the OS's, and in terms of APIs, iOS does offer the developer a much richer set of tools from which to build their app, but that's never been the basis of my claim. That basis is simply the fact that there are more apps (of quality, and not just fart sounds, or similarly vapid apps) for iOS than Android.
It's strange to call the iPhone limited, when the number of things you can actually do with it that actually exist are greater than the number of things that actually exist that you can do with Android. Theoretically, something like Apple's closed store would lead to fewer apps than a more open one like Android, but reality has failed to validate that theory. That's because the theory is not sound. It has too many assumptions. Assumptions that may be reasonable, but do not fit with reality. I'd suggest the main reason for that is that Apple tends to do things in a way that makes a lot of assumptions moot.
You repeat the "there's only one app store" thing over and over, but you completely fail to demonstrate how that's a problem. It's just ideology. It's fanboyism.
I told you why it's a problem.
But you haven't. Not in reality, only in theory (and even then without much of an argument other than "fart apps!" and a reference to the extremely small number of app rejections that are beyond simply being due to bugs or porn).
Yes, there are a few apps that would be great, but aren't allowed (and of those, only the Google Voice one stands out as being something of a special case, and not just, "well, the rules say no interpreters, so the Squeak app runs afoul of it, even though it probably should be allowed"). The number is very small, and definitely not enough to tilt the number of great apps in Android's favor.
I personally don't want to be tied to a single store. It's not fanboyism, it's what I want.
Of course it's what you want. I can't imagine that most people who get called "fanboys" don't want the thing they say they want either. The point is that the explanation for why you want what you want is not apparently rational, which is always the foundation for cries of "fanboy" against Apple users.
[*]As an aside (although maybe it shouldn't be), I'd like to point out that I wasn't initially calli
To clarify, I never said that the iPhone sucks, nor did I say that Android is the best. I simply said that it provides me with what I want.
If you have any familiarity with my past posts, you'll know that I never, ever put anyone down for their opinion on buying the product that they most want, whether it's iPhone, Android, or whatever.
Again, not fanboyism, just my opinion.
What triggered my "fanboy" response was that you're saying that *THE* reason you won't buy one is the single-source App Store, without providing any evidence that the App Store is holding back the platform. By every metric, iOS has more apps, more quality apps, etc., than any other mobile OS, and it is in no danger of that changing.
Even so, I don't mean to imply in any way that that invalidates your opinion. Opinions are personal, and no one has the right to tell you that yours is wrong. I'm just pointing out that it's not as rationally based as it's being portrayed (based on the reasoning you gave). This is specially pertinent due to all the people constantly saying that anyone who says anything in defense of Apple is guilty of the same.
In fact, if you look at my original post that you replied to, I specifically stated that Android was where it was at for me.
And I never said it shouldn't be. I just said that your stated reason is based on ideology (or theory, if you prefer) and not on how things actually are.
Also, for what it's worth, the people modding you down because of your opinion can suck it.
Thanks. It generally doesn't bother me, that's just how the moderation system operates here (and the internet in general).
That is absolute BS. The iPhone uses 'points' not pixels as a metric, which allows them to be resolution independent. Does it make everything easier to have an even multiplier? Sure- but they could have used any resolution. Look at the iPad, as an example- Much of the same widgets but at different display resolutions.
10-12". I'm not sure I buy it, but it sounds reasonable enough.
I have developed a truly marvelous proof of this comment, which this signature is too narrow to contain.
In a keynote presentation today at WWDC, Steve Jobs officially unveiled the iPhone 4. It's powered by an A4 chip, has a glass front and back, and has stainless steel around the edges, which turns out to be part of the antenna system. The new iPhone uses what Jobs called a "PORN display," running at 960x640, or 326 ppi. The battery is also bigger (FOR MORE PORN WATCHING), with a corresponding increase in battery life. The iPhone 4 supports 802.11n (FASTER PORN DOWNLOADS), has two mics for noise cancellation (CLEARER SEX LINE CALLS), and a three-axis gyroscope (PORN IN ANY POSITION!), which allows rotation and precision that accelerometers can't match. The iPhone 4's camera is using a 5-megapixel backside illuminated sensor, which Jobs said does better at low-light photography (NIGHTTIME VOYEUR PORN!). It also records 720p video at 30 frames per second, with tap-to-focus (CLOSE-UP PORN!). In addition to this, they've created an iMovie app, which allows users to easily edit videos on their phone (AMATEUR PORN!).
Update: 06/07 18:34 GMT by S : Steve's "One More Thing" this time around: FaceTime, live video chat from one iPhone 4 to another (YES! LIVE PORN!)
What triggered my "fanboy" response was that you're saying that *THE* reason you won't buy one is the single-source App Store, without providing any evidence that the App Store is holding back the platform. By every metric, iOS has more apps, more quality apps, etc., than any other mobile OS, and it is in no danger of that changing.
Even so, I don't mean to imply in any way that that invalidates your opinion. Opinions are personal, and no one has the right to tell you that yours is wrong. I'm just pointing out that it's not as rationally based as it's being portrayed (based on the reasoning you gave). This is specially pertinent due to all the people constantly saying that anyone who says anything in defense of Apple is guilty of the same.
And I never said it shouldn't be. I just said that your stated reason is based on ideology (or theory, if you prefer) and not on how things actually are.
Fair enough. I went back and reread what I had written...hindsight and all that, I can easily see what you're talking about.
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Please tell that to Steve Jobs. Apparently he forces you to use ugly pixel doubling on ipad for no reason at all, everything is ready for any resolution. What a BS.
One wonders how you do your PS3 reviews if you're really so unhappy with those walled gardens. Methinks you doth protest too much.
Maury
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You need resolution to allow for cropping.
*sigh*
Read it again: "needs more megapixels than his lens can resolve"
If you have more pixels than the lens can resolve, then you're cropping noise.
But I disagree with the original post. Adding more megapixels than the lens can resolve makes the pictures *worse*, because the light gathering ability per-pixel is reduced. That's why I find the use of a back-illuminated sensor far more interesting than the extra pixels.
Maury
I don't subscribe to any kind of fanboyism, and when it comes to video games I want to be able to play as many as I possibly can. I don't want to miss out on a game because I'm not willing to own this console or that console. So, once there are five or more exclusives that I want to play on a system, I go buy it.
As far as the closed nature of consoles, that's why I have a gaming-capable PC :-) If it's available on PC, that's what I play it on:-)
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Also, for reference, I would buy an iPod Touch if there were enough games out for it that I felt that I needed to play...alas, there isn't :/ It's just as well though, my fiancee would likely steal it from me anyway ;-)
Living With a Nerd
Nothing I can do or say will change the fact that Apple retains control over what you can and can't do with your device. The only thing I can do is vote with my wallet, so that's what I do. Forgive me for being a consumer who pays attention.
And forgive me for being a netizen that does the same.
For those that didn't bother to click through to Pojut's blog, I'll save you the trouble of poking about: Pojut reviews many games for the PS3, PSP, XBox 360, DS, etc., and his ebay store is filled with used games for these platforms. These platforms are, obviously, "walled gardens" that he protests to hate so much that he won't buy them.
Seriously, glass houses.
Maury
Exactly. You don't care about the reality of what's offered, but instead by your ideological aversion to having only one app store.
Indeed, note the lack of concrete examples.
Not wanting to be stuck with a single app store is not stupid, but choosing an inferior product for the primary reason that it has the option for additional sources of apps tends towards the irrational. I.e., fanboyism.
Sure, but the world is filled with such behavior all around. I find embracing it all to be excellent for the brain cells.
But in this particular case the broader consumer base has already voted with their dollars, in spite of impediments. Outside the US, where there are multiple carriers, I have seen very very few platforms other than RIM and iPhone. Android appears extremely rare here in Toronto, and yes, I do look. I don't believe that to be a case of myopia, but I would argue the opposite may be true: sales figures in the US may be a reflection of carriers, not platforms?
Maury
This won't happen (otherwise no one will buy the app), but if it does, it would have happened without iAd anyway. Except instead of a well tested framework, you'd have a myriad of shitty, harder to firewall, insecure coded ads out there.
I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
Not wanting to be stuck with a single app store is not stupid, but choosing an inferior product for the primary reason that it has the option for additional sources of apps tends towards the irrational. I.e., fanboyism.
Android is far from inferior to the iPhone. I'm actually getting rid of my iPhone to change to an Android phone. Especially once the 2.2 update comes out in a month, Android will be significantly superior to the iPhone OS. Also, since there are multiple manufacturers making handsets, I can choose between a touch screen or a touch screen with a slideout keyboard, a big screen, iPhone size screen, and all sorts of different hardware. With the iPhone, you're limited to what Lord Jobs gives you and nothing else.
There's no reason whatsoever to believe that third party Android app stores is going to result in more apps than the iPhone.
Yes, there is a reason to believe that. Haven't you seen all the good apps that have been denied from the App Store because Lord Jobs whim of the day was to deny that particular app? There is no limit to what an app can do on Android. You can't even come close to saying that about the iPhone. Hell, you can't even just change your color scheme on an iPhone because Lord Jobs demands that all users have exactly the same colors and it would be an affront to him if you changed your battery charge screen to show a blue battery instead of a green battery.
Or put differently, if there was a third-party app store for iOS, how many more quality apps would there be?
There are third party app stores for the iPhone - Cydia being the most well known. I've had a jailbroken iPhone and most of the apps I downloaded were through Cydia since most of the apps in the App Store are, to be kind, utter garbage. It's being very optimistic to say that 1% of the apps in the iPhone App Store are actually worthwhile.
You repeat the "there's only one app store" thing over and over, but you completely fail to demonstrate how that's a problem. It's just ideology. It's fanboyism.
It's been demonstrated that it's a problem by Lord Jobs refusing to allow people to make a large variety of apps. The fact that you defend his "rule with an iron fist" approach to software is pure fanboyism.
I have to ask - have you ever actually used an Android phone or looked at the apps available for it?
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I think he qualifies as a nerd rather than a geek.
He who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.
They've got it in Cydia
Oh man that's horrible. The ad takes up the whole screen. If I had a ton of apps that did that it'd really annoy the hell out of me.
6" is considered reasonable by many, but I'm not going to get hung up on details.
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
What would be interesting is Adblock Plus for the iPhone.
Article 3.3.4.1 of the Apple iPhone SDK prevents any software "that disables certain functionality of the core Apple API, including AdBlockers..."
It wasn't a bad decision. Having a fixed resolution means that apps can be designed to a pixel perfect degree. And given that 3 years later, they have been able to up the resolution in a way that means all those apps remain pixel perfect means that fixing the resolution in the first place wasn't a technological dead end.
For a desktop windowing OS, variable resolution combined with resolution independence is a good thing. Apps run in windows that can be of any size, and the generous screen space allows plenty of flexibility for apps to rearrange themselves to suit. For a screen as small as a smartphone that just doesn't work. Designers have to design very carefully to fit the app UI on the screen in a good way.
Meanwhile, Android phones have been resolution independent since v1.5 (somewhere around 2008).
Why was that a bad decision, exactly?
Kind of worked out well for them -- how doubling the size also made it as high a PPI as they'll ever need. Perhaps you meant to say "good"?
No, your reference would be nerdy, not geeky.
The CB App. What's your 20?
Here in Japan the majority of phones on sale have had the ability to 'video call' over 3G using a front camera for several years. My wife's crappy old sharp which is ready to be thrown in the bin included.
My current iPhone was a step back in that regard, and it'll be pretty amusing once Softbank starts selling the iPhone alongside phones which can video-call over 3G and has to tell customers that the iPhone is 'wifi only' for some goddamned reason.
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The reason to choose 960x640 resolution is purely technical: to overcome their bad 3-year old decision to stick to a single resolution for application development. Quadrupling pixels is the only working solution for all the legacy apps out there.
That would be a clever observation, except that it's completely wrong. We've had resolution independence all along on the iPhone, whether you're working with Quartz2D or OpenGL ES. Developers will probably want to use higher resolution images for icons and the like to take advantage of the improved display, but their apps would have worked the same if the resolution had been increased by any other amount.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
You might want to rethink that. I know many people who like ads and do not disable them. They know about adblock plus and the like.
Many moons ago, I was working helpdesk at a tiny software company, and started to put together a mickey-mouse database to help me keep track of calls. I named it "Trouble Incident Tracking System".
As you can prolly guess, there weren't any female employees.
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Am I the only one missing a new iPod touch? Haven't the next gen iTouches previously also been announced at the WWDC keynote?
they haven't, you're just confusing geek and nerd.
... an Internet communications device!
If by "best of both worlds" you mean as expensive and on long contract as iPhone, whilst not actually working properly or having a stable version of Android that supports some of the more advanced features like making calls and the GPU, then sure. It's an interesting experiment, but the Android-on-iPhone ROMs are for shits'n'giggles, not for serious use, and I'm sure their developers would be the first to admit it.
If you want an iPhone, buy one. If you want Android, get an Android handset.
Or to be equally selective: fantastic apps are approved, whilst horrible apps are denied.
Clearly it was. But it was a misguided one, if your ideal is freedom to publish anything, to then criticise the sort of crappy apps that such freedom inevitably brings. The thing is: in the App Store as stands, fart apps are the worst example you can come up with. Given the complete freedom you commend, the worst will be far more awful.
While it sounds damn sexy, I don't want it. It is stained with blood from Foxconn employees that make Apple products.
Did you know that the average Foxconn employee is paid 113 euros per month?
I am so shocked, I can't believe it. I read it today in the local newspaper.
I deeply apologize for the offtopic comment;I am going back to the high-tech /. nirvana. It's just that I am so shocked about this.
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Well from watching the keynote. The 3GS wifi worked and the 4 didnt work at all. Steve had to ask everyone to turn off there wifi devices several times just to demo the phone. Then at the end demoing the new video chat he constantly complained about people not turning off there wifi devices.
Considering the 3GS worked that is not a good sign for the new stainless steel antenna. I really dont wont to spend my days yelling turn off your wifi in the shopping center.
Except that the Droid phones typically have none of those problems. As shocking as it may seem, somebody besides Apple actually does make a phone that works well.
Don't tell him that. iSlaves don't cope well when non-Jobsian reality intrudes into their walled garden...you might traumatize him for life.
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That may be true, but I've never heard of anyone's Android device getting bricked after changing that option and then installing an official update.
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
Changing a single option in the settings (on android) to enable use of apps from other sources takes at most 5 seconds. Jailbreaking is THAT quick? I hope you are being sarcastic!
And changing that "option" doesnt void my warranty, nor start a cat and mouse game of updates undoing the jailbreak.
Have a nice day!
Anyone worth their salt knows the only place to go to get firmware updates for HTC phones is www.xda-developers.com.
Developers there always have the latest Windows Mobile or Android roms backported to all HTC phones within a week of them releasing.
Gaming consoles and phones are two very different devices. Don't go selling me oranges while trying to convince me they are apples. If you want to talk about the walled gardens surrounding consoles, I will be happy to do so, but that is an entirely different conversation.
Living With a Nerd
I know.... its kinda ironic isnt it? Though you can also add Symbian to that mix, that is also pretty open on what you can install. I believe it was the same for Palm as well.
In fact, all three OSs were doing custom apps without havign an "app store". the norm was to download from various sources, and install.
Have a nice day!
No? Ah, now i get it - you pay twice the price for less flash, eh?
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Iphone has defiantly came a long way as anything else everyone will have there likes and dislikes. Personally liked the Netflixs on the Iphone I thought that was very cool as well as the face to face chat. I am personally waiting to here if Apple is going to release the Iphone to other carriers.
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Can't copy your own non DRM stuff back from device. Can't upload stuff to device from more than one source. This has nothing to do with being developer, is shockingly draconian and nobody bloody ever mentions it so I had to discover it myself, when buying iPod Touch as a present for my mom.
Things like:
- true multitasking
- installing applications from the web
- removable battery
- removable storage or MSC
- WIMAX/4G
- not AT&T
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Damn near anyway. Assuming that blackrain or whatever is already downloaded, it is probably closer to like 20 seconds or something after docking, but it is very quick.
Fear is the mind killer.
Thank you! I'm very glad to hear not only that you as a developer won't be doing this, but also that I'm not the only one left who hates adware. I've lately feeling like I'm the only one around who learned anything from the days of Aureate/Radiate, Gator, and similar slimy companies. And now Apple wants to be the new Aureate!
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
If it's clearly labeled as adware I never download it. If it is adware and is not clearly labeled that way, I delete it and rate it one star.
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
Worked pretty well in the era of usenet and gopher. People created lots of excellent add free content.
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There is a handy Android app called AdFree which blocks most in-app advertising.
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... and a death knell for traditional publishing.
Hardly. It's another avenue for publishers. I think you are confusing traditional publishing to mean ONLY publishing dead-tree versions, those very small companies that will adhere to that probably don't care because it won't affect the market they inhabit, those larger publishing companies are already embracing the digital world and so this just gives them another outlet to peddle their wares.
The 'book' publishing industry can learn from the mistakes made by the Music Industry so I don't think this will sound the death knell of anything except perhaps variety. Although maybe digitizing literature will now mean that 'out of print' no longer applies and effectively creates a new market or allows publishers to keep their catalog forever (no pesky warehouses to have to store all those space taking books).
Ads are only annoying when they're disruptive.
Says you. I say ads are always annoying.
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
Well, although I can certainly see your point. Most of the stuff you refer to don't really have interest for me.
I don't need 4G, since HDSPA in where I live is quite well developed and can deliver the 7.2 mbps Apple claims. I also don't care about AT&T since I'm not from USA. The removable battery ... well, I've never ever in my life bought a spare battery for any mobile device ... I usually sell them and buy new one before the battery gets too old (which lets be real, takes about 5 years to happen). I also think the multitasking should be made this way Apple is presenting (At least in theory since I haven't seen it in practice).
I do completely agree with the other 2 points tough. I would like to install whatever I want that exists outside App Store, and I would like to be able to use Micro SD cards.
This thing is hardly a phone any more. A phone needs to be able to call out and receive calls and that's about it. If we look at most smart phones there becoming smaller and smaller computers that have the option on the side to use it as a phone. Why not label these things net-books, I think it fits better. Sure there not full blown net-books but they do so much more then a phone needs I think it's better then calling them phones.
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2264305/apple-unveils-iphone
Already available now with iPhone 3. Funny post, though.
More seriously, Apple lets you write your own wrapper for WebKit if you want on the iPhone OS. A few 3rd parties are doing it now, adding features like ad blocking, side-by-side display, and so on. What Apple won't let you do is create your own rendering engine (Opera does it by rendering web pages on Opera's own servers and just sending down the optimized display) or add plugins to MobileSafari itself (not only will they not allow that, but they also don't have any frameworks to do it).
So if you want to write a WebKit wrapper that handles ad blocking, go for it. But you've already got competition out there.
Plus iAds isn't a framework for inserting ads on websites. It's a framework to allow app developers to distribute ad-supported software, using a pretty transparent revenue model. There's a bunch of third parties (AdMob, the Deck, etc.) providing that right now for developers, and iAds is joining them.
-- Josh Turiel
"2. Do not eat iPod Shuffle."
Is the cancer preventing him from shaving, combing his hair and putting on a decent pair of pants?
Stephen Hawking is way more messed up and still manages to appear groomed when he goes out in public.
Does anyone buy the image of "hippie" Steve Jobs any more?
You are welcome on my lawn.
By the way, in the nineties, I battled lymphoma for four years and I managed to shave and comb my hair when I went in public (or when I couldn't I stayed home). I had enough respect for my position that despite the weight loss from chemo I endeavored to look presentable.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Looking at an iPad on the train earlier today with the iPhone Metro newspaper application, it certainly looked to me as if the scaling up for text and certain imagery (zoomable images) was at the higher resolution, not pixel doubling.
Most apps don't scale perfectly because they come bundled with (e.g.) 320 pixel wide images, so they need resolution specific imagery supplied for the iPad (and now the iPhone 4). Which is how Android handles things anyway.
Anyway, for many apps the iPad is such a larger screen it demands a redesign of the app's UI to make best use of it.
Yeah, I mean, who wants the world's largest selection of quality apps, all vetted to be reasonably sure of being malware-free and of at least a minimum level of quality and stability!
Yeah, because fart apps are considered quality. Quantity != quality.
Yeah, the dozens of fart apps for Android - now that is both proof of quality and diversity! And that's just the ones available from Google's store - the porn fart apps are even better!
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
For years, the Iphones had a relatively low resolution - even my 2 year old far cheaper 5800 has a much higher resolution than the latest Iphone. If I pointed this out, people would dismiss it as not something that's important.
But when this is released, you can bet that suddenly having a high resolution will be important, and a bragging feature...
(What are the resolutions of other future expensive high end phones? They may well be comparable anyway, but you'd never hear about them here.)
The new sensor is bigger now, maintaining the same pixel size.
So you get more megapixels due to a larger sensor AND you get better sensitivity due to backside illumination.
I have a DSLR for quality pictures... for the rest, social situations and what not, 5 megapixels is plenty good and better low light performance just might make this good enough to obviate the need for a separate point & shoot camera.
I'd love to see some HTC Evo 8MP vs iPhone 4 5MP camera quality comparisons.
So, if you toggle a pixel and nobody can see it, is it on?
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God is imaginary
which fucked up his liver and he had to get that replaced after getting past the cancer
Hopefully it inspires him to make the battery user-replaceable in Apple devices.
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I did it on my Android app mostly because I wanted a way to push users to buy the "full" version.
It was either that, or limiting the feature set in the free version, or worse -- inserting some kind of annoying artificial limitation. This way I'm pushing people to buy it, but in the end if they don't, I still get something for my trouble, and the users get the full functionality.
I think mobile ads offer a good compromise between asking the users to pay for the app, and making it available to as many people as possible. If the ads annoy you that much you can pay the 1 Euro, hack it (it's not that hard), or pirate it.
you can do video to video calls using fring [fring.com] app on a humble Nokia E71, or a phone that has a front facing camera. I do salute them on their ability to hype 'NEW' features. interestingly the first time i used that app was two days ago, when i called my girlfriend on her iPhone 3GS. she could see me but i couldn't see her cos she didn't have frontfacing cam. I think everyone should learn about marketing, it really brings in the money!
What grinds my gears is that he is claiming that the camera can shoot in HD (720p) yet the display area on the device is less than what the specs of HD 720p demand (Down coding?) So how can he make this claim?
A Flip has no display and can do 720P, are you claiming that is impossible?
Because the actual video is 720p and can be moved to other devices (like a home PC).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
is not geeky, but awareness of a mainstream hollywood kids action movie is?
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Does anyone know what the "Retina display" means? Is it just a marketing term (a la "Powerglide transmission") or does it actually describe some innovation in the display? And can we please pitch in and buy Steve Jobs a sandwich? Even Kate Moss says he's too skinny.
I believe that Jobs more or less explained that term in the Keynote. It refers to the fact that, at 10 to 12 inches, the display actually has more resolution than a human retina (and lens). So yes, it is a marketing term; and yes, it actually describes an innovation (326ppi) in the (Apple designed) display.
In case you have been offworld for the past year; Mssr. Jobs had a liver transplant, you insensitive clod. That means he gets to LIVE; but it doesn't mean he isn't still sick.
For one thing, he has to take anti-rejection drugs for the rest of his life. That basically gives him chemically-induced AIDS (no jokes, please!). And, since you obviously know absolutely nothing about human anatomy and the functions of the various organs (like the liver), one of the liver's MANY functions (besides that whole chemical-processing thing it does!) is to help regulate insulin/glucose levels in the bloodstream. When those go whacky, you can either eat nearly nothing and gain weight, or eat everything in sight and remain gaunt.
And if you look at Steve's physique, he isn't THAT much skinnier than he was in pictures from 30+ years ago. He's always been pretty thin.
"artificially limited"
You are assuming this is inherently a bad thing. Unless you'd like my behavior to not be artificially limited by laws and authority. Because if you don't want anything to be artificially limited, you won't mind me coming over there to strangle your stupid short-sighted ass for making dumb assumptions.
I tip my hat to you, sir! That was one FINE analogy, and directly on-point!
Dude just recovered from cancer. Not just cancer, but a type of cancer that is to cancer what most cancers are to not having cancer at all,
Cachexia is common to all cancers when they become sufficiently advanced.
Especially once the 2.2 update comes out in a month, Android will be significantly superior to the iPhone OS.
Better in what way(s), specifically? Especially since "better" is often a purely subjective term. And don't just fall back on that tired, old "Because it's open" argument. Open Source stuff has yet to storm ANY market, and it's had NINETEEN YEARS to do so.
Oh man that's horrible. The ad takes up the whole screen. If I had a ton of apps that did that it'd really annoy the hell out of me.
It only takes up the whole screen if you ASK it to.
Moron.
But then again, I make $texas (relative to my normal income) in giving sites ways to detect Adblock and ban you, or serve up less content, or just not display anything to you at all. "But adblock filters will find a way!" Mmmhmm, and I'll be given more money to get around the fixes.
And it is YOU (and others just as despicable as you) that are clogging the tubes and our inboxes with unwanted, unwarranted, and ILLEGAL crap! FUCKING STOP IT!!!!
Thanks for your help in making the internet HELL for the rest of us, while you line your pockets, you disgusting fucker!
I think I speak for most of the internet-using population in saying EAT SHIT AND DIE A HORRIBLE, PAINFUL DEATH YOU DISGUSTING, GREEDY, ANONYMOUS LITTLE COWARDLY SLIMEBALL!!! WHY DON'T YOU POST UNDER YOUR REAL NAME SO WE CAN DDOS YOUR ASS INTO SUBMISSION. YOUR KIND GIVES ALL OF GEEKDOM A BAD NAME, YOU FUCKING LITTLE COWARDLY BITCH!!!
It's funny... when it's poor folks, everyone says they can "wear what they want" and hollers and screams that they're just "being themselves"...
Put a millionaire on stage in a pair of jeans, and the world freaks out that he's "not properly dressed".
WTF? Who cares what he's wearing. Or if he's shaving. Or whatever.
Aren't we over this by now? (And yeah, I know the answer is no, but I still want folks to actually take a second and THINK about it.)
It's not like you can look at your future mate and tell if they're a financial winner from the shoes they have on... in modern society... but we're still wired that way, so we buy shit that NO ONE needs... in our "Consumer" economy.
I read about a brilliant naval engineer who gave it up finally, and bought identical sets of the same clothes to put in his closet... Short and Long sleeve blue oxford/collared shirts, navy blue pants and shorts (like dress shorts), black socks, and black loafers, and a couple of identical black belts.
He kept one pair of shoes for Sunday church, as he was a churchgoer, the next most worn out set for daily wear, and an almost worn out pair of loafers for mowing the lawn. He kept enough shirts/pants/shorts to get him through a few weeks of travel.
When he was recognized for one of the U.S. highest Intelligence awards for his work during the Cold War, he had to borrow a navy blue jacket and tie.
Eccentric, yup. Predictable on budget, yup. No worries ever again in your whole LIFE about "what should I wear?" or farting around looking in the closet, yup. Just dressy enough and also non-dressy enough for just about any situation, yup to that too.
Most of the world would look at him and say, "How boring!" But the guy built things no one else on the planet has ever built, and cared just enough to pick sane items to make up his wardrobe that if you worked with him regularly, you'd know he "always had the same clothes on", but if you'd never met him, you thought he looked downright normal. And then never worried about clothes ever again.
His self-worth came from within, knowing what he'd done in his life. Clothes were just a "uniform" so he wasn't running around nekkid.
+++OK ATH
As an iPhone developer I intend to offer a free version with ads and a paid version without ads and let the customer choose.
Or their grammar...
You're mistake is taking jobs cock out your mouth long enough to talk. Why would you ever fucking what that "feature". The only moron is you mac fag.
No, Apple retains control over what people can and cannot do with their own device only so far as those people want to retain the excellent warranty from Apple for their devices. You can still jailbreak phones, but Apple will not support you. Nobody, including Apple is stopping you from using your device however you see fit, only what they will pay for to replace/repair your phone.
Better because it does more things, does them faster, and allows you to run whatever the hell you want. I couldn't care less about if an OS is "open" or not. What I do care about is being able to run software written by whoever writes something worthwhile. With Apple, not only do you get less features in the OS, but you can only run software on your phone if Apple decides they're feeling kind enough to let you.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
Symbian doesn't give you root, though, as I understand, and apps have to be signed to get root permissions.
Palm OS was the same, but Palm OS is completely dead.
WebOS isn't far off, Palm doesn't make the password to install unsigned apps and get root hard to find.
Even an useless product named ''iSuck' would be successful if the marketing is done by apple.
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Better because it does more things, does them faster, and allows you to run whatever the hell you want.
Uh, moron: You haven't articulated WHAT "more things", nor have you provided a single citation or benchmark as to your "faster" claim.
As for the ability to "run whatever the hell you want", I suggest 2 things: 1) You can WRITE and RUN whatever the hell you want on YOUR iOS device. 2) If 250,000 apps (and counting!) is too restrictive a software catalog, then either WRITE IT YOURSELF (and maybe make a dollar or two!), or, like every other consumer, STFU.
BTW, just WHAT is it that you want to run SO badly, that DOESN'T exist in the App Store? (And don't say Pr0n apps. What are you, like 12 years old?)
Please tell me in what fucked-up version of reality do you think it is that Apple doesn't want the largest USEFUL (booby apps are arguably NOT in that category) software catalog? And with 250,000 apps (and counting!) in the App Store, they must be "feeling kind enough" to approve a new App about every 15 seconds.
'Tard.
BTW, the CAPTCHA is "idiocy".
Describes your "argument" perfectly.
As the poster mentioned, it really is about that quick.
but..
"And changing that "option" doesnt void my warranty, nor start a cat and mouse game of updates undoing the jailbreak."
This part is a very valid point. It really is a cat and mouse game. Not the warranty part though as it is a software only mod and it is essentially impossible to truly brick your device these days. And if its bricked how could they tell? Unless you actually tell them you were jailbreaking there is no way for them to find out.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
I know you're just a troll, but you can read on multiple websites that features that Android has that iphones don't have.
Why should I pay a $99 a year fine to write software for MY device? Android lets me write an app for free - AND I can distribute it to anyone I want without having to beg Lord Jobs approval.
BTW, just WHAT is it that you want to run SO badly, that DOESN'T exist in the App Store?
Useful apps. The majority of worthwhile apps that get submitted to the App Store get rejected (probably because Lord Jobs is pissy he didn't think of it first).
Please tell me in what fucked-up version of reality do you think it is that Apple doesn't want the largest USEFUL (booby apps are arguably NOT in that category) software catalog?
Again, you fail to realize that they'll only let in a useful app if Lord Jobs feels like it - too often he doesn't because he's focused purely on his ego and couldn't care less about the peons who use the device.
And with 250,000 apps (and counting!) in the App Store, they must be "feeling kind enough" to approve a new App about every 15 seconds.
Yes, and as an iPhone owner I can tell you from experience that just about all of those apps are utter crap. The quantity of apps available means nothing. The quality of apps and the ability to run any app you want is what matters.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson