I find it interesting that this laptop more or less falls right in between your standard fare laptop and an Eee PC in terms of portability and raw power, but is the most expensive of the crop.
Using the base Vostro 1500 for the "average laptop" and the Eee PC 8G we have:
I realize the comparison is odd since they all hit different intended markets, but it seems that something that is between the two in specs would be closer to either of the two in terms of price than it currently is.
Compared to the Vostro you're paying for the size reduction. I bet that Vostro is one of those fugly and heavy cheap dells. At 6.33lbs, you can have that Vostro lead brick. UGH! Never again for travel would I use something that heavy. Once you go 3lbs for travel, you NEVER go back.
Compared to the EEE, you are paying for the larger 10" screen & faster processor.
All in all, it makes perfect sense to me the price placement from your list.
"For example, while Windows 95 was still DOS it was a very positive upgrade from Dos/Windows 3.11"
And yet a lot of little application-side bugs could bring the WHOLE system down, showing the DOS lineage. That has been fixed when Microsoft brought NT to the masses with XP but Unix existed years and years and years before NT was given birth and you had to actually want to code something to crash the system to crash a unix system compared to Win95.
"For example, while Windows 95 was still DOS it was a very positive upgrade from Dos/Windows 3.11. Off the top of my head, one feature in Windows 95 related to networking and use of the internet -- both were dramatically improved and simplified in Win95. Remember having to install all that Trumpet Winsock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock) crap to use the internet with Windows 3.11?"
Is that a form of joke you are playing on me ? Fixing your own crap is not innovation or anything exciting. Microsoft didn't do anything revolutionary by doing this, BSD and Unix had complex and modern networking facilities built-in, not to mention all the mainframes everywhere which sole reason of existence were the use of thin clients connected to them. The FIRST WEB BROWSER for fuck sake has been written in NeXTStep, of which are directly coming from the Unix world.
"Windows 95 made all that stuff so much easier. So yes, maybe unix was (and is) "better", unix didn't (and still doesn't) have the apps I want to use on a computer."
Apple Mac OS X is now a certified Unix platform. I bet it has everything you could wish for, games and business management crap notwithstanding. Everything from Video, to raster and vector image manipulation, to audio / music. Everything can be done on a mac. Unless you are a gamer in which case you consider the computer a TOY, you shouldn't feel anything for Microsoft. Why do you keep comparing the current state of computing to Win95 in 1995? When Win95 was RELEASED, it was a big deal and very helpful. Stop comparing Win95 to OX 10.5 please.
I hope you didn't have a "straight face" in front of your computer while you were typing that nonsense.
Microsoft had a golden era ? are you NUTS ? MS DOS was obsolete the day it was released, and so were any iteration of windows 3, win95, win98.. when Microsoft was releasing a MS DOS shell, people were using multimedia stuff on amiga and atari, and when Microsoft got serious about the enterprise with Windows NT, people already had Unix based for years, in fact Unix is older than MS DOS.. come on man, nothing exciting got out of Microsoft, every OS they put out had features done better by the competition. While maybe they were not the "leaders" in your mind, there were times I found OS releases from MS very exciting as they added features sorely needed (even if they were copied as you aptly point out). For example, while Windows 95 was still DOS it was a very positive upgrade from Dos/Windows 3.11. Off the top of my head, one feature in Windows 95 related to networking and use of the internet -- both were dramatically improved and simplified in Win95. Remember having to install all that Trumpet Winsock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock) crap to use the internet with Windows 3.11? Royal pain in the ass. Windows 95 made all that stuff so much easier. So yes, maybe unix was (and is) "better", unix didn't (and still doesn't) have the apps I want to use on a computer.
Disappointing that the first exciting thing coming out of MS OS in a long time is now not even to be a part of Vista part 2. MinWin had me thinking that MS was starting to change back into the company of its golden era (i.e. late 80s - 90s) when it released operating systems with new features that made one excited to buy the latest and greatest OS.
Oh well, maybe this will enable the year(s) of the Linux on the desktop (smile)?
Great response. Most of the people responding do not work in health IT and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about related to what HIPAA actually does -- which is about NOTHING since it just made all the lawyers money.
I responded above how actually the word is now that these PHRS and their privacy policies are under FTC regulations. My understanding is that the FTC regulations recourses are actually stronger than the HIPAA ones anyway. All the PHR vendors have privacy and data use policies that are STRONGER than HIPAA anyway.
Slashdot users are funny in how they think they know everything. I bet most here had to look up how to spell HIPAA.
Enough with the HIPAA scare. Most of these PHR vendors privacy policies are STRONGER than HIPAA and are governed by the FTC which is (from what I understand) MUCH stronger than HIPAA rights.
Also, I believe an organization which changes a policy must ask their members to re-accept their policies under FTC regs.
Enough with the HIPAA scare. Most of these PHR vendors privacy policies are STRONGER than HIPAA and are governed by the FTC which is (IMHO) MUCH stronger than HIPAA.
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For the last year, I have consistently seen on the Windows version an annoying bug. If one tab takes forever to load, any other tab will not load a new page either. I find Ebay is one of the worst to bring it out. If you switch to using IE in a tab, that tab will show about:blank.
I can understand some websites may make a Firefox tab crap out but it shouldn't affect the rest. Did you file a bug report?
All good news. I just wish that developers would stop giving the PS2 any thought and instead focus on making the Wii version the best it can be. I'd hate to see another enhanced PS2 port on the Wii. I suppose though that even if it does come down to that, at least it won't be as butchered as the Wii version of Rock Band. Activision has already shown that they're willing to at least tailor a majority of the game to the Wii's strengths. It does have the best guitar, after all. Sure, why not just ignore the 103 million PS2s out there?
Exactly what is this magical VOIP phone going to communicate over? Ether? You still need some sort of wireless network. Assuming this person has dsl or cable modem internet access
No one minds reinstalling for newer releases. The OP is taking about having to reinstall the same version over and over again. I don't mind starting for scratch for Windows XP -> Windows Vista upgrade. But having to reinstall just Windows XP every year just to clear all the crap it has accumulated over the year is ridiculous. exactly:)
I have never been able to get a repair to work correctly -- though I am not a OS administrator. Every single time I have tried with ALL the Windows products (going back to 3.1) the repair would not work properly. In the end, format and fresh install always, in my experience, took less time and had a higher probability of making things work correcctly.
Bike 20 miles with 20-30 pounds of tools. You will then save ~500$ on your next laptop, because you won't care about weight anymore. wuss from the person posting as an anonymous coward poster....
Well, from a personal standpoint, it isn't the laptop, but all the crap I used to drag WITH it. And the more capable the laptop, the more crap I thought I needed to bring with me. I also made the mistake of buying a nice, expensive, BIG bag to go with it. The same logic followed - the more space I had, the more shit I put in it. Portable floppy drives (don't ask), USB gooseneck light (I work in a theater), wireless mouse, portable HD, etc. Were the laptop ONLY for 'Net stuff, I'd be WAY less inclined to carry so much shit around.
But that goes back to what are you buying it for? At the time, it was to have a more "mobile desktop" - that I could do CAD on, run our lighting software, etc. I've since learned that I don't REALLY need all that, and something like the Eee PC fits more what I need very nicely, in a nice small package, and on a tight budget.
Granted, I don't have one (anymore - ex-wife got the laptop in the divorce), but were I in the market for a portable computing device, that would probably be what I would get, and slap Ubuntu on it.;) Thank you for responding to one of the endless streams of "Oh what's the big deal it's only 6lbs versus 2lbs"
When these nerds with laptops that don't leave their desks say this they have absolutely no idea what a BIG difference this is when dragging around an airport with a 6lb metal object on your shoulder.
p.s. Again, I am in VERY good shape so don't say I am a wuss... I can bench 240lbs
I have a $500 full size laptop, and I don't find it hard to carry around by any means. It's has a 14.1 inch screen and is pretty light and pretty thin. It weighs just over 5 lbs, battery included. Comparing it to the eee PC, it's quite a bit bigger, but neither one can just be shoved in your pocket as you leave the house. Both of them require some kind of backpack or shoulder bag to bring with you. So as far as I see it, the ultra portables, don't really offer much in terms of portability, because you can' just put them in your pocket, and a standard laptop lets you get your work done much easier. Have you ever carried for business travel a 3lb or less laptop? When you feel what a big difference it is when you are lugging it on your shoulder for hours versus the 5+ lbs model then you realize it IS a big difference.
Oh, so you say pack it in your carry on? Yep, have done that too. Trust me you can feel the weight difference (part of it is the weight distribution of the larger laptops) when you're climbing stairs or up escalators or lifting it to the overheard space on the place.... etc etc etc
And it is not like I am a small out of shape guy. Any weight held or carried for a period of time gets heavy.
I love my 2.8 lb thinkpad. I would NEVER go back to the former Compaq 5-6lbs model EVER for my usage on the road.
What is a Yuppie anyway? Someone who has a job and/or business that earns good money after spending a lot of time studing and/or working hard to become successful? Wow, what an awful person!
Oh right, this is Slashdot, where IT folks all work for free for the betterment of society.
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I find it interesting that this laptop more or less falls right in between your standard fare laptop and an Eee PC in terms of portability and raw power, but is the most expensive of the crop.
Using the base Vostro 1500 for the "average laptop" and the Eee PC 8G we have:
I realize the comparison is odd since they all hit different intended markets, but it seems that something that is between the two in specs would be closer to either of the two in terms of price than it currently is.
Compared to the Vostro you're paying for the size reduction. I bet that Vostro is one of those fugly and heavy cheap dells. At 6.33lbs, you can have that Vostro lead brick. UGH! Never again for travel would I use something that heavy. Once you go 3lbs for travel, you NEVER go back.Compared to the EEE, you are paying for the larger 10" screen & faster processor.
All in all, it makes perfect sense to me the price placement from your list.
And yet a lot of little application-side bugs could bring the WHOLE system down, showing the DOS lineage. That has been fixed when Microsoft brought NT to the masses with XP but Unix existed years and years and years before NT was given birth and you had to actually want to code something to crash the system to crash a unix system compared to Win95.
"For example, while Windows 95 was still DOS it was a very positive upgrade from Dos/Windows 3.11. Off the top of my head, one feature in Windows 95 related to networking and use of the internet -- both were dramatically improved and simplified in Win95. Remember having to install all that Trumpet Winsock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock) crap to use the internet with Windows 3.11?"
Is that a form of joke you are playing on me ?
Fixing your own crap is not innovation or anything exciting. Microsoft didn't do anything revolutionary by doing this, BSD and Unix had complex and modern networking facilities built-in, not to mention all the mainframes everywhere which sole reason of existence were the use of thin clients connected to them.
The FIRST WEB BROWSER for fuck sake has been written in NeXTStep, of which are directly coming from the Unix world.
"Windows 95 made all that stuff so much easier. So yes, maybe unix was (and is) "better", unix didn't (and still doesn't) have the apps I want to use on a computer."
Apple Mac OS X is now a certified Unix platform. I bet it has everything you could wish for, games and business management crap notwithstanding.
Everything from Video, to raster and vector image manipulation, to audio / music. Everything can be done on a mac. Unless you are a gamer in which case you consider the computer a TOY, you shouldn't feel anything for Microsoft. Why do you keep comparing the current state of computing to Win95 in 1995? When Win95 was RELEASED, it was a big deal and very helpful. Stop comparing Win95 to OX 10.5 please.
Microsoft had a golden era ? are you NUTS ? MS DOS was obsolete the day it was released, and so were any iteration of windows 3, win95, win98.. when Microsoft was releasing a MS DOS shell, people were using multimedia stuff on amiga and atari, and when Microsoft got serious about the enterprise with Windows NT, people already had Unix based for years, in fact Unix is older than MS DOS.. come on man, nothing exciting got out of Microsoft, every OS they put out had features done better by the competition. While maybe they were not the "leaders" in your mind, there were times I found OS releases from MS very exciting as they added features sorely needed (even if they were copied as you aptly point out). For example, while Windows 95 was still DOS it was a very positive upgrade from Dos/Windows 3.11. Off the top of my head, one feature in Windows 95 related to networking and use of the internet -- both were dramatically improved and simplified in Win95. Remember having to install all that Trumpet Winsock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock) crap to use the internet with Windows 3.11? Royal pain in the ass. Windows 95 made all that stuff so much easier. So yes, maybe unix was (and is) "better", unix didn't (and still doesn't) have the apps I want to use on a computer.
Disappointing that the first exciting thing coming out of MS OS in a long time is now not even to be a part of Vista part 2. MinWin had me thinking that MS was starting to change back into the company of its golden era (i.e. late 80s - 90s) when it released operating systems with new features that made one excited to buy the latest and greatest OS.
Oh well, maybe this will enable the year(s) of the Linux on the desktop (smile)?
Slashdot is pathetic. Google will never come under hipaa -- please look it up at wiki to learn what is a covered entity.
:)
Besides, see my other 2 posts on this page explaing why HIPAA doesn't matter anyway.
My goodness, you were modded insightful with such mis-information?? way to go mods!
Great response. Most of the people responding do not work in health IT and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about related to what HIPAA actually does -- which is about NOTHING since it just made all the lawyers money.
I responded above how actually the word is now that these PHRS and their privacy policies are under FTC regulations. My understanding is that the FTC regulations recourses are actually stronger than the HIPAA ones anyway. All the PHR vendors have privacy and data use policies that are STRONGER than HIPAA anyway.
Slashdot users are funny in how they think they know everything. I bet most here had to look up how to spell HIPAA.
Enough with the HIPAA scare. Most of these PHR vendors privacy policies are STRONGER than HIPAA and are governed by the FTC which is (from what I understand) MUCH stronger than HIPAA rights.
Also, I believe an organization which changes a policy must ask their members to re-accept their policies under FTC regs.
Enough with the HIPAA scare. Most of these PHR vendors privacy policies are STRONGER than HIPAA and are governed by the FTC which is (IMHO) MUCH stronger than HIPAA.
I can understand some websites may make a Firefox tab crap out but it shouldn't affect the rest. Did you file a bug report?
Why not get a VOIP phone?
The real problem is that operating systems are complex beasts.
No, the real problem is that our industry has yet to learn how to adequately manage complexity.
Instead, we add new features... making the problem worse.
excellent insight!Sooner or later, this problem will have to be dealt with. It will be painful.
I have never been able to get a repair to work correctly -- though I am not a OS administrator. Every single time I have tried with ALL the Windows products (going back to 3.1) the repair would not work properly. In the end, format and fresh install always, in my experience, took less time and had a higher probability of making things work correcctly.
It's funny that to fix Microsoft Windows, it's faster to just wipe and re-install from scratch rather than try to fix the issue.
I always wonder, how did this become an acceptable state of affairs in IT?
The dominant OS in the world easiest way to fix is by re-installing!! Just seems weird, and describes yet another problem with the computer industry.
Bike 20 miles with 20-30 pounds of tools. You will then save ~500$ on your next laptop, because you won't care about weight anymore. wuss from the person posting as an anonymous coward poster
But that goes back to what are you buying it for? At the time, it was to have a more "mobile desktop" - that I could do CAD on, run our lighting software, etc. I've since learned that I don't REALLY need all that, and something like the Eee PC fits more what I need very nicely, in a nice small package, and on a tight budget.
Granted, I don't have one (anymore - ex-wife got the laptop in the divorce), but were I in the market for a portable computing device, that would probably be what I would get, and slap Ubuntu on it.
When these nerds with laptops that don't leave their desks say this they have absolutely no idea what a BIG difference this is when dragging around an airport with a 6lb metal object on your shoulder.
p.s. Again, I am in VERY good shape so don't say I am a wuss... I can bench 240lbs
Make sure she finds the smaller keyboard comfortable to type on or you will be getting lots of complaints come paper writing time...
Oh, so you say pack it in your carry on? Yep, have done that too. Trust me you can feel the weight difference (part of it is the weight distribution of the larger laptops) when you're climbing stairs or up escalators or lifting it to the overheard space on the place
And it is not like I am a small out of shape guy. Any weight held or carried for a period of time gets heavy.
I love my 2.8 lb thinkpad. I would NEVER go back to the former Compaq 5-6lbs model EVER for my usage on the road.
So true... :)
Wow, good think you're not relying on generalizations ...
Shame that is the definition of yuppie, as it looks more like the definition of an asshole :)
haha funny :)
What is a Yuppie anyway? Someone who has a job and/or business that earns good money after spending a lot of time studing and/or working hard to become successful? Wow, what an awful person!
Oh right, this is Slashdot, where IT folks all work for free for the betterment of society.
Wow, that's quite a deal. How did you get a Mini for $300 new?