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Firefox 3 RC1 Out Now
Jay writes "Firefox 3 Release Candidate 1 is out now. If yours didn't auto-update, then get it while it's hot! The release came a bit early, with Computer World noting: 'As recently as last Saturday, Mozilla's chief engineer said that although the company had locked down RC1's code, it was planning to publicly launch the build in "late May."'" My copy just downloaded — restarting after I save this story. God I hope it's better than the last beta.
"So simple a grandmother can use it"
This is offensive. I am a grandmother, and a C programmer.
I've never had firefox 3 crash on Linux with my beta 5. Nor FF2 for that matter, I'm not sure what you're talking about. My friend's had some instability problems with a 64bit processor and flash, is that it?
Do you use a lot plugins or something? Because FF3 works fine for me on my Ubuntu install.
What was wrong with Beta 5?
Seems to work flawlessly here on my Eee PC 701. I never installed XP on my Eee so I can't compare it to that, only to the FF I have installed on my desktop, and the stability is the same - no complaints, no crashes so far.
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Yeah i dont get the comment in the summary Firefox3 beta 5 has been quite stable for most people, it still crashes with flash though (in fact last night using flash 10 it took out my xorg) but when not using flash i've not had any problems. I've been using it consistently since beta 3 because its been so much more stable than firefox 2
If people have been having people's they really should be filling bug reports, there's no way its going to magically improve without being told what's wrong
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Does anyone have the changelog compared to beta 5?
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What has changed since beta5? Grannies might not be interested, but geeks are...
Netscape 4 never crashed on me. I used Turbolinux, Mandrake, and Red Hat.
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
The only problem I saw on Linux was the growth of the "urlclassifier3.sqlite" file. When it grew over 20 MB, it was necessary to delete it.
Were there other problems? Because apart from the above, I used the last beta every day on Ubuntu, MS Windows, and OS X and had no problems.
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
I haven't had too many problems with crashes, but I still don't run firefox on linux. The biggest issue I've had with it is a tendency for tabs to just take a VERY long time to load.
The behavior I've seen is this:
1. Go to a site with lots of links - such as a news site or RSS aggregator.
2. Start middle-clicking on links to open them in tabs.
Inevitably one of the early ones just doesn't load - it sits and looks like it is loading and does nothing for a minute or two. All subsequent tabs do the same thing. As soon as the first one actually does load and render the others instantly load and rendor. Obviously something is blocking the loading/rendering in all open tabs when this is happening.
Everything works just fine in konqueror, so that is what I tend to use all the time. I'd actually prefer firefox for its plugins/etc, but it just isn't reliable for me. Now the only time I use it on linux is when a page doesn't render correctly in konqueror.
I'd also like to comment that I'm very concerned with the keep-piling-on-features mentality in Firefox. I want a web browser - not an OS/desktop-in-a-window. The whole reason that firefox was born was that everybody was tired of Mozilla having 47 huge features that nobody needed. Let's stick to the basics and do them right. If they want to come out with a few other apps that can tightly integrate with firefox, that's great - but let's let the stand-alone browser be a stand-alone browser...
Firefox 3.0 RC1 is not out yet. There is a build 1 for RC1, but RC1 is not expected until near the end of the month.
For the last year, I have consistently seen on the Windows version an annoying bug. If one tab takes forever to load, any other tab will not load a new page either. I find Ebay is one of the worst to bring it out. If you switch to using IE in a tab, that tab will show about:blank.
I can understand some websites may make a Firefox tab crap out but it shouldn't affect the rest.
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You imply people should accept using buggy software. I use linux and do accept some bugginess with certain applications, but no way am I going to live with a browser that crashes frequently (when I was using ubuntu 8.04 it would happen as much as ten times a day) while often taking down XORG with it! No way, nu-uh.
FF2 works rock solid with my machine. Why should I use something that causes aggravation with the most simple task? I think it's ridiculous that canonical should have used such a cheesy piece of crap for a browser in the first place - one more example of piling on feastures without fixing the problems first.
Anyway, I never had ff2 lock up my desktop, and it pretty much never crashes. the closest it comes to crashing is when flash locks up - and that problem was easy enough to fix by adding a KAPOW button on my tooltray that executes "killall npviewer.bin" This is an effective fix that is all but impossible using ff3 with its penchant for killing xwindows...
Konqueror is great if you are running KDE, if you are running GNOME, XFCE or some other non-QT based DE, Konqueror takes ages to load and is almost unusable compared to Firefox. Epiphany is nice, but it still seems to lag behind Firefox in development. As for Opera, it is proprietary, and I for one don't trust a proprietary browser when I think about all the personal info I enter in websites, if Opera ever gets open-sourced I would gladly use it as my main browser, but I just can't trust a proprietary browser, and I can't trust it if it used to be adware too (like Opera used to be). So really, Firefox is about the only usable browser on Linux if you use a non KDE DE. (Granted, this is coming from the experience of me on my desktop made in 2002 so on more modern hardware I am sure that the speed differences would be minimal).
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This is really good news. Will be updating ASAP. Btw, never ever had any stability issues with ff3 on linux, while opera handles flash very crappy these days (and flash v.9.0.124 doesn't work at all in it). IMHO, the only problem of FF3 now is that some extensions are not yet ported (notably, firebug :( ).
The issue I've seen with Flash isn't a crash, but that if one lingers on a page with a lot of Flash content (say, Youtube) and leaves the page up while browsing in other tabs, CPU eventually spikes to 99% usage, requiring the browser to be shut down.
Unfortunately, this isn't a Firefox problem, but a problem with the Flash plugin. The workaround I found (thanks to other Slashdot users) was to install the addon Flashblock. Now, instead of having the Flash content sitting and waiting, it's replaced by a little clickable object to load it. Since installing it, I have not experienced the CPU spike behavior, when it used to be a daily issue. Hope this helps folks.
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I would use Opera but I just can't bring myself to use a proprietary browser. Now, I'm not RMS and I do use some proprietary software, for example Flash is installed on all my Linux boxes and I have a few proprietary games I play via WINE and some non-free Linux software such as Google Earth too. But when you think of all the information you enter on a web browser (credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, Social Security Numbers, etc.) I just can't bring myself to use a non-free browser. It also doesn't help that Opera used to be Adware and that also makes me hesitant to use Opera as a full time browser. I don't hate Opera (in fact I use it on non-personal sites on the Wii all the time) but I just don't trust a proprietary browser when there are several good free alternatives around (Firefox, Epiphany, Konqueror, Seamonkey, Etc.). If Opera ever comes out with a free version of their browser (As in open-source free) I will be one of the first to download it, but until then Opera is mostly restricted to browser-testing and the Wii.
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Can you turn off the "Awesomebar"?
No?
Not interested.
I am sorry for offtopic post, but Firefox was a bit of regression for me. The new page info doesn't contain outgoing links. I haven't used it much in fact, but few days ago I needed to paste few links into wget and found that out.
;-) I installed the web developer toolbar in the end, but it's not very nice to copy it from there and it comes with a lot of other stuff I don't really need.
Yes, I know they are planning an extension for that, but I wanted to use it now (I have Ubuntu) and I would like to note - try to find extension using google which will list links on page.
Why is there such movement in OSS lately that thinks that removal of features will be an improvement for users? It's strikingly similar to Wikipedia's deletionist movement. Organization of features/information, not removal, is the key.
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I've been running this build now for 4 days straight going to countless sites that use every which plugins for movies and flash and javascript and so far considering it hasn't crashed on me in windows I'd say it's pretty solid.
:)
Although I am running a Q6600 with 4GB. But Beta 5 used to crash on me every 2 hours.
Now to business,
Firebug Official for FF3 Please
"You imply people should accept using buggy software."
..a clearly labeled beta that you have to go through some hoops to deliberately download? Yeah, you should accept a few bugs. And also report them, so they won't be there in the final release.
Well
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Plus, it wasn't directed at your god anyway, it was meant for the God of Opensource.
The meme is dead, long live the meme!
Thanks to Firefox 3 betas I've managed *finally* to convert my wife to use FF. Only if I could get her using something other than Microsoft Live Messenger or get Messenger working with Wine I could get rid of our last WinXP installation.
FF3b5 has a strange JavaScript issue where if you go to a page that runs some kind of combination of JavaScript the entire browser, all running windows of it, will close, no warning and no recovery when you start it again. I saw it happen on a few pages but mostly with gmail. Trying to reply in gmail was almost a certain way to trigger it.
If Firefox "takes out" Xorg, that implies a bug in Xorg, not necessarily one in Firefox. In fact, the Xorg bug could conceivably be a security issue, so that's more severe.
vi ~/.emacs # I'm probably going to Hell for this.
why is it acceptable to use the word 'God' as an expletive?
Because invoking the name of fictional entities is funny? Would you have objected if he put "Santa Claus" there instead?
It is strongly dependent on system. I run FF2 on x86_64 under Archlinux (probably less stable than other more static distros), and I cannot remember it crashing (it has probably happened, but not with much frequency).
However, someone I know, running it on 32-bit Ubuntu (or some other Debian-based system) has it crash all the time.
So is firefox 3 going to crash as much on Linux as Firefox 2 has been
I have been using Firefox 3beta 5 for a while and haven't had the crashes when visiting Gmail, that I had experienced in Firefox 2.x. I had experienced one or two crashes when running certain Javascript. It should be noted that I do have the "Web Developer" and "Firebug" extensions installed. In general its stable enough for my needs.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Never happened and I've run the latest version since FF2. I bet there is some other factor making it touch, otherwise it would be more of a storm about it because it is not that acceptable.
YES, its mostly about the plugins. A "vanilla" firefox is ROCK STABLE, even a Release Candidate.
Ubuntu, a terminal, Python and Slashdot. Thats all you need.
So is firefox 3 going to crash as much on Linux as Firefox 2 has been? Its been almost as bad as Netscape 4+ were. Actually I take that back, it is worse than it was as far as stability goes. Why are we going backwards? When I use Firefox in Windows, it much more stable.
Hey, because you system/install/whatever is shit, then it means Firefox is guilty.
Never mind that there are zillion people out there who don't have Firefox on Linux crashing at all. Must be that it's Firefox, not you.
beta5 -> RC1 was just bug fixes, as far as i can tell. And while SunSpider does help indicate javascript performance, ACID3 is fairly pointless, testing for CSS & html compliance is more relevant:
http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html
FF3b5 & FF3 RC1 are the same 36/43 7unsupported (373/578) though as they wont be fixed till FF4
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Not all flash crash under linux are due to Firefox (and any browser would crash) in the case you are using a distribution with PulseAudio activated. Flash has a nasty bug with PulseAudio which guarantee you a crash if you often use youtube.
"You imply people should accept using buggy software."
I didn't read that way. I'd say he implies that people should accept beta software is buggy and that using beta software and filling bugs against it it's the best way for such a software to become as buggy-free as possible when launched as stable.
"Why should I use something that causes aggravation with the most simple task? I think it's ridiculous that canonical should have used such a cheesy piece of crap for a browser in the first place"
That's quite a different assumption from the grandparent's poster and I have to say I do agree with both of them: specially when talking about open source software, betatesting and filling bugs is the best way to improve software quality for a non-developer but it's ridiculous and misleading shipping a quoted-to-be stable and "production-ready" OS release full of beta-quality software. Still, too many Linux distributions follow the featuritis trend instead of following strong engineering advices. Just as an example, I feel OK for Fedora to be released with beta-quality software (Fedora is aimed to be a "technology-preview" and enthusiast testing field) while I don't feel the same to be OK for Ubuntu which is told to be a production-ready, non-technical user-friendly one.
But then, I think Linux distributions not to be so different to any other "market" products: it is the consumer responsibility (within legal requirements) to practice their own "due-diligence" and see how good the *product*, not the marketroid speech, stands against their requirements.
I tried updating twice it downloads the 2.9meg update and then says it can not update. Anyone else have this problem on OSX ? I guess I will keep using beta 5 until release version of FF 3 is out.
I dont mean to ruin your hopes and dreams, but there is no god
...of opensource, if there was he would have proclaimed the 1 true way to do something and people would stop reinventing the wheel so often.
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I had a similar issue, but with digg. NoScript stopped it crashing so I could at least read comments.
Do you read the source code to all your browsers, or just trust that open-source authors would never leave some debug code in there?
while the actual culprit is Adobe Flash.
Jerks will be jerks, tho... Adobe and the complainers that is.
Go to about:config and create a new boolean entry called "extensions.checkCompatibility". Set to false.
Beware, while most of them still work fine some old extensions will most definetely kill FF3. (Google toolbar, I'm looking at you!)
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I don't mean to break it to you, but there is a god of (free and) open source software, and Stallman is a/one of the saint(s)... you can read more about it here; http://www.stallman.org/saint.html
*''I can't believe it's not a hyperlink.''
this rc doesn't import the bookmarks from version 2
can you say just a touch anal retentive?
More like "paranoid".
"You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
Ive been using FF3b5 since it came out, on multiple machines, on xp, vista and ubuntu, all using gmail, without any problems whatsoever. Might be another issue affecting you
I trust that more open-source authors would be less likely to add in malware and I trust that the Mozilla Team for Ubuntu will read enough of the source code to check for anything malicious. I don't trust that proprietary companies will have a browser free of bad code or that my data isn't being sold to advertisers/the government.
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By hoops, I take it you mean "install the default web browser from the Ubuntu 8.04 CD". Granted, it's about as stable as everything else in the distribution.
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Firefox 3 always starts maximized in Mac OS. Anyone else notice this annoyance? Better yet, anyone know how to change this behavior?
I use Alchemy, you insensitive clod!
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I am also tired of the quality of trolling used on this site. We Discordians are always losing out — there ought to be a law.
Oh, there is one, and it's called Principia Discordia. It's just that it's optional, or subject to personal interpretation, or fit to be ignored altogether. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will.
(Can't be doin' with all these god-damned fuckers telling other folks how to talk.)
Btw anybody on ubuntu 7.10 needs to install ca-certificates, for automated bug reporting to work #407748
sudo apt-get install ca-certificates
That should fix, "there was a problem sending your bug report".
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I'm not sure exactly what was wrong... something was corrupted for sure but a variety of javascript was simply not being processed. Flash wasn't loading, possibly due to lack of javascript as so many flash embeds are done that way now....
In any case if you have any problems on OSX you might want to try moving all your prefs and addons/extensions/etc anything mozilla or firefox and starting up FF3 RC1 as a brand new install.
I only use FF to test websites (love safari) and occasionally to do some rigorous script debugging with firebug. So I don't have any bookmarks or other settings I care about. You may want to find out how to save those things for re-import later if you use it daily.
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
It's been stable for me on Hardy except for Flash issues. Installing that wrapper thingy (sorry I forget the name) that makes Flash run in a separate process meaning on Flash crashes not FF, and I haven't had an FF crash since doing that.
It's kind of a lot of work for something that's basically tits on a boar for 99% of users.
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That's not any better. Instead of blindly trusting a company, you are blindly trusting some hackers in mom's basement, many of whom have personality problems (Theo de Raadt, RMS, Hans Reiser, et al). Again, unless you are actually looking over the source code yourself, you have no reason to trust one over the other. And if you really care about whether data is being sold, you can always use monitoring tools, to see, for example, where packets are going, etc. The software doesn't need to be open source for you to do that. There's also strace and even gdb could be useful to an extent.
On MacOS the Sunspider test is faster than on Safari 3.1 - 2616 as against 2900~
(It is a bit difficult to tell whether it "feels faster" as I am on a Mac Pro dual quad core 6gig Ram and everything feels like shit off a shovel....)
I'm surprised at the number of people with stability problems. I tried 3.0a1 and I had instant crashes in AJAX web apps, so I decided to wait until b1 which turned out to be a good decision, because it was much more stable. Each beta has been increasingly better. I still get a couple crashes here and there but I am betting it's due to Flash or an add-on I'm using.
On Linux I use Swiftfox, which is a recompiled Firefox optimized for individual processors so it can be even a little faster than Firefox 3. Only problem is they occasionally push out a nightly build over their update package source thingy (I tend to prefer the public beta releases) but nothing that has been unstable yet.
If you're having stability problems, you really have no right to complain until you at least TRY to fix it since Firefox gives you the tools to do so. To use another car analogy, it's like complaining your car doesn't slow down fast enough so you need a different one but you haven't even tried using the brakes yet. Well not exactly but I needed to use a car analogy. Anyways here's some things you should try:
If you still have problems it's likely a problem with Firefox, in which case I suppose you could complain, but it would be more productive to file a bug report to increase the chances of it being fixed. To quote GLaDOS, "Thank you for helping us help you help us all."
It's not like FireFox is the only open source web browser. There are several based on Gecko and WebKit. If you don't like FireFox, and don't want to run Opera, perhaps you should try one or more of these?
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This happens to me all the time, although the session is fully recovered when Firefox restarts so it's more of a minor inconvenience than anything else.
It never happened in beta 4, only beta 5, so here's hoping RC1 solves the issue. And yes, I have been filing crash reports.
There's more reason to trust independant coders than a company: independant coders usually produce code because they want the features that they are coding or because they want the kudos for writing it. This would mean that they are far more likely to want to produce quality code, whereas a company will usually want to produce the cheapest code that will gain them money. Also, the independant coder's code can be peer reviewed and modified as and when necessary, but the proprietary coder is safe in the knowledge that no-one is even allowed to vet the code.
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It does work with FF 3 RC1. Granted to get the latest version to work you have to go about it a round-about way.
.xpi is just a zip file, so open the zip and find the install.rdf file. In there there's a section like this:
I have my add-ons compatibility check disabled in FF via the config (though I believe this would work fine even with that enabled).
To get the newest version, you have to go directly to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/15109/firebug-1.05-fx+fl.xpi via a link and save target as like this
The
[-- Firebug --]
[em:targetApplication]
[Description]
[em:id]{ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384}[/em:id]
[em:minVersion]1.5[/em:minVersion]
[em:maxVersion]2.0.0.*[/em:maxVersion]
[/Description]
[/em:targetApplication]
Change the [em:maxVersion]2.0.0.*[/em:maxVersion] line from 2.0.0.* to 3.0.0.*
This will make FF think it's a valid add-on (If you don't do this and just have the compat check disabled the add-on or something knows it's not compat and won't run).
Beyond that, it's currently telling me there's 12 Errors with the comments/replying setup lol
interesting....I use G-mail exclusively, and never had this problem with 3b5, running Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon...
By the way, I am not an Anonymous Coward, just dont want to go to the trouble to open an account..just sign me AlmostAGeek...
Especially as passing the ACID test for the sake of it will not actually improve the user experience.
ACID 3 passes should come naturally, there shouldn't be the webkit style rush to pass because its only improved the browser as a side-effect instead of passing the test as a side-effect.Its like learning the answer's to a test instead of actually learning the material, sure you'll pass the test but when you go out to do some real world work/browsing, it wont of helped.
This all combined with the fact that ACID doesn't test standards compliance, as a firefox user I'm glad they're not wasting their time on it.
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Webkit, the KHTML-based rendering engine behind Safari, is open-source, go fetch it from webkit.org and build it / see for yourself. Its nightly builds have been rendering acid3 100% for quite some time now. Wipe before extracting information.
You're an idiot.
I've only been using FF3 on Ubuntu 8.04, and it has been terrible on both of the machines I've used it on. Basically it has long and short hangs and random crashes. Well, not completely random, actually. Some of the problems are pretty clear related to JavaScript, and /. and Gmail are two of the most affected. I have a number of other machines to upgrade, but not yet, please.
I really feel that the Ubuntu people are losing it, and the failure of their project will be a major black eye for Linux. It's a good idea, but they are screwing it up by not figuring out how to manage their initial success. One example is relying on mirrors rather than BitTorrent as the default download. Some of the mirrors must be okay--but I sure have heck finding them. Certainly not the mirrors selected by their testing procedures for the best mirror.
Overall, I'd guess that their problem is that they are trying to be too aggressive about supporting new features for too many platforms. It's not like Apple's situation, where they can control the number of supported configurations. In theory, you'd suppose that Ubuntu could offset it by better testing, but in practice, their testing is evidently quite slipshod--and the result seems to be that each new release is worse than the previous one, though it has a few new bells and whistles. In conclusion, I can no longer recommend Ubuntu as a beginner's distro, and I'm thinking about switching to something else... My own employer is basically a RHEL shop, though I've never liked it much.
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Aren't you using a trashed Linux distribution ?
I have no problems using 3.0b5 in Slackware .
3866.0ms for Safari Version 3.1 (5525.13)
The vast majority of Firefox 3 crashes on Linux are actually caused by Flash. You can temporarily disable Flash, to see if this is causing your problem. Go to Tools->Add-Ons, select Plugins, and manually disable the Flash plugin. When you need to use a Flash site, turn it back on. While Flash tends to be very stable on Windows, it seems to have stability issues on Mac and especially Linux.
After like 10 years I'm still reading the "works on my machine" posts with no mention of the machine type.
;)
I call them the "Well, its raining HERE" comments.
You need to identify the (OS::distro) and plugins in use for these "Release [ ] suxx0rs!!!" posts to have any meaning.
I generally find that if that question is answered, it's some guy running the L33tware distro in 24MB of RAM on a Transmeta Crusoe who is enraged that his opensource software crashes, and no, he hasn't logged a bug because God told him that it is destiny to always have bugless software AND will be Lord of Faerun in time.
(No offense to parent
Your comment leads me to believe you've never done any significant software development work. Consider that the Acid3 test was released at the tail end of the Gecko development cycle. This puts Mozilla in a bad position, because they were already at feature freeze and didn't want to further delay the final release. So, shooting for Acid3 compliance at this point would be the height of stupidity.
The Acid3 test is also a bit controversial in its own right. Acid1 and Acid2 addressed broad compatibility with several core web standards, without regard for any particular browser. In contrast, Acid3 covers an odd mix of quirks chosen to intentionally highlight bugs in different browsers. Acid3 also includes a random mix of features from things like SMIL and SVG, which are enormously complex standards not supported in their entirety by any major browser. That also means that Acid3 can be gamed by simply implementing just enough of a feature to pass the test, but not enough to be genuinely useful in practice.
Simply put, Acid3 is a much less useful test than the previous versions. I have no doubt that Mozilla will eventually pass, but they won't delay the Firefox 3.0 release and have made it clear that they won't play the partial implementation game to beat the test.
Just use Kazehakase, it uses firefox's gecko but doesn't clutter .
Call me crazy but shouldn't a piece of software not be labeled a release candidate when it still has a list of known issues. I realize that big software shops (I'm looking at you Microsoft) do this all the time and will even release a product with a whole bunch of known issues still unresolved (again I'm looking at you Microsoft) but it seems to me that you wouldn't label something a release candidate until you were at a point where you thought all known issues were resolved. Hence the title release candidate. If nothing no new serious bugs or security holes are found this is it.
Could you please link to the bug you filed?
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It would be "nice" if the plugins developers would KEEP UP with the growing revisions of Firefox. I haven't been able to use FF on the Mac yet, since the plugins I depend on are slow to be updated.
Yeah, I know you can hack the install to override it, but come on.
Same reason as they link to articles on Sundays. And people are allowed to talk about bacon. And we say "you insensitive clod" rather than stoning people to death.
If you want to avoid certain things for religious reasons, that's fine, but don't expect everyone else to share your skewed version of morality.
Give me a break. I'm well and truly tired of hearing this empty argument. Is FOSS guaranteed to be bug- and exploit-free? Hardly. Does the fact that millions of people can look at it make a difference, even if only a few do? Absolutely. Tell ya what. I'll pick up a list of five hundred closed-source programs with malware. If you can get me a list of ten open-source programs with malware, I'll concede.
I'll be waiting over there. Asleep.
Opera 9.50 Beta 2 On Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4:
Acid3 test: 78/100
Don't know what numbers to post from the SunSpider test.
How does moving to a different country change the way that people on slashdot use language?
By the way, what's the penalty if we transgress the laws laid out in the bible?
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
It also happened in the latest release of Firefox 2 ... damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think GMail altered their Javascript because it stopped happening after a week. This was on Windows as well, so the window would remain, unresponsive, and took several attempts with the "End Program" dialog to even kill it.
Never mind, I filed it for you:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434180
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
I apparently still need to wait for compatible versions of "FireFTP" and "Download Embedded" to come out. :\
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
That is certainly not Mozilla's fault.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
"Millions of people" do not look at the code. While I accept the argument that the "more eyes" model works out better, the truth is that open source software isn't all THAT better.
The openssl "bug" in debian is a perfect example.
It seems really, really slow. Is anyone else seeing this?
The open source idea is great but open source is not the be all end all. It just isn't. There are too many industry specific applications that are so highly tailored to particular industry and there is simply no open source alternative. I work in the construction software industry. There are several job cost accounting, project management, estimating and document imaging packages made by several vendors that are specifically tailored to this industry. I highly doubt there will ever be open source alternatives to these kinds of pieces of software that can all integrate together as seamlessly as the propriety alternatives. Forget integrating together, I doubt we will ever see open source alternatives for any of these in the first place. Writing that kind of software can be tedious and you have to understand the specifics of the industry and the kinds of business processes that small, medium and large companies have and you have to understand the different kinds of contractors that are out there (general contractors, electrical contractors, heavy highway, etc) and their various requirements.
I just don't see an incentive for a bunch of developers to get together who have that kind of very industry specific understanding to write these big, complex pieces of software just for the fun of it. I love my job because the work environment is great and so is the money but if I were given a choice of writing any piece of software I wouldn't choose writing stuff for this industry. It's not that I don't like it, it just wouldn't be my first or second choice if I could do anything and get paid just as well as I'm paid doing this and have the kind of job security that I have.
I get enjoyment from my work, but the real enjoyment comes when we close a huge deal and I cash a huge check.
I had this problem too. I think I fixed it by uninstalling Firebug. There are several versions of firebug (official and otherwise) that claim to run with ff3, but i don't think any do.
Why, he'll be very angry of course, and he will write you a letter telling you how angry he is.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
you are blindly trusting some hackers in mom's basement, many of whom have personality problems (Theo de Raadt, RMS, Hans Reiser, et al)
Hermann Hesse said it best:
People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.
-1 Uncomfortable Truth
It depends on the religion... in my religion the more you use God as an expletive the more beer volcanoes and stripper factories you will get in heaven... so please explete as much as you can
A: Why would a CPU spike cause a browser to crash?
B: Why did this never ever ever happen in FF2?
Disclaimer: I'm downloading firefox3 for the first time right now so dont know if it will happen to me in FF3 so if it happened to you in FF2 as well disregard B.
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Don't know who the hell modded you as troll, but if anyone reads this please note that parent was most likely being deadly serious, in fact up until 3.0-beta4 I always used Opera over Firefox on Linux.
To GP, in my experience Firefox3 is much more stable than FF2 on Linux, I'm using Kubuntu 8.l04 KDE4 edition.
I used this daily since beta 4 on Linux, superiorly sweet. After getting used to the awesomebar (I don't know, but I imagine some sort of guy shouting AWWWWWYEEEEEAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! when I think of the bar's name...) and the smart bookmarks/tagging I can't go back. My experience has been quite stable...after I disabled flash. Only one random crash a few weeks ago in a site with faulty code. I am very happy so far.
Also, if you don't dig the Linux skin or some Stylish (such as Vista Theme) doesn't work, I have seen a small fix in http://hetdegon.deviantart.com/ (of all places...), just replacing the linux chrome.jar from a windows version. (Seriously, why is the linux skin so abominably ugly?)
Swell. Google Earth's download page is still crashing it.
Flash + you tube + Firefox 2 on Ubuntu 7.10 = frequent crash
That's *without* pulseaudio's help!
While watching youtube sometimes, my just freezes. Can't kill it. Even downloaded process explorer and tried to pause the process and kill it that way, but it refused to go away. I actually had to reboot the machine to get firefox to die. Do you have an ATI video card? As soon as I replaced my NVidia card with an ATI I noticed that sometimes loading flash applets (usually after a day or two of uptime, but not always) will trigger everything to go "brain-dead", that's the best way I can describe it. The system doesn't freeze, but you just can't perform any new actions in your applications (the menus work), or start a new application. All apps are unkillable. If you attempt to reboot or shutdown Windows it just acts like you never asked it to do so. I haven't had the problem within the last month or so, so maybe some of the updated ATI drivers fixed the problem.
Forget Flash which is notorious for eating CPU time. Just turn it off through a utility known as Flashblock until you need it. Then you can save CPU cycles for other more important tasks.
"Flashblock is an extension for the Mozilla, Firefox, and Netscape browsers that takes a pessimistic approach to dealing with Macromedia Flash content on a webpage and blocks ALL Flash content from loading. It then leaves placeholders on the webpage that allow you to click to download and then view the Flash content."
Excellent! I'm going to wait by my letterbox.
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
Even with the very few bugs that may pop up, Firefox 3 beta 5 was still much better than firefox 2. that's why it was included in Ubuntu, at least, that's my assumption.
If you can read this, I forgot to post anonymously.
A lot more people read open source than closed. Maybe only 200+ people outside of the Mozilla project have read Firefox, but how many external developers have read IE7? 0?
I can't see how you don't understand that all else being equal, an open source program is going to be more screened for this stuff.
As for trusting it, well, I'd rather trust the thing I could verify, even if all I had time to check was random subsets of it, than the thing I couldn't...
Of course, high end commercial packages will be here for a while.
What the OSS movement has done well is to provide alternatives to commodity software so that the ancillaries don't smoke your budget. OSS can also provide add-ons that the mainline vendor has not built into their official package releases.
Applying what I have learned through this site, I have completely replaced IE as a browser, and because MS-Office 7 is so silly, *almost* replaced that with Open Office (the 3.0 betas are out, and can handle the new extensions.)
Now when we buy software, at least I can be satisfied when it's spent on first-tier applications rather than the result of a 25-year old weasel deal in Seattle.
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I'm just hoping the new version displays the web the way that IE does. I realize most everyone on the blog is just Pro anything free and Anti anything MS, but when I first starting using FF, I noticed all over where images and items on websites were out-of-place. I then switched back to IE and everything looked right. If FF can just produce all websites as consistently as IE, I'll make the switch.
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Not quite.
Somewhere around Beta 3 and 4 in Windows, Yahoo Mail was giving me fits. One of my work sites was also rather nutty-rendered.
Beta 5 was at least better, and I am sure RC1 will be at least modestly better still, so now we're back on track.
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I had a similar problem. The solution was to right click on any flash applet, and "disable hardware acceleration"
Firebug has caused problems for me in the past as well, although the current beta seems to work very well with 3.0b5
A bit early? It was originally promised in late April!
Bugs can still lie dormant, but when someone eventually becomes motivated to fix it, they can usually get their results out faster without having to deal with private company politics.
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I don't know what the deal is with people on /. having Firefox issues. I've never seen Firefox issues on any of our Linux boxes. Our hardware is very diverse too. 64/32 bit from old i585 boxes to multicore intel and amd boxes. Most machines are running Debian. About an equal number are using Ubuntu and CentOS. None of these include sales or marketing but I find it hard to believe the complaints on /. are because users are not technical. I don't think anyone is using KDE though. Maybe that is the connection.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
Pictures at Eleven - Robert Plant's first solo album. It was about fifteen years before I realised it was referring to US television news.
[ ]Half Empty [ ]Half Full [x]Twice as big as it needs to be
I think about "Trust Grids". It's about who has what agenda.
On one corner, I was late to understand, but I watched enough of MS's tricks unfold live to absolutely distrust everything they do.
My verdict is out on Apple.
Some of the famous OSS icons have their special situations, but I feel that their mistakes are somewhat easier to both see through and counteract afterward.
Because I have no programming skill at all, I have to trust someone; I currently trust the independent coders as a cohesive whole to produce purer code because that's in their best interests long term.
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I, for one, welcome my C-Coding grandmotherly overlords.
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With FF3rc1, the "flash" ad at the top right of the page is all black, and FF is clearing space for it too far to the left, wiping out a third of the text of the top article.
it would be more of a storm about it because it is not that acceptable.
/. have gmail accounts. If 20 users had an issue we would see ^10 that many threads complaining about it.
Agreed. There is no way something like that would not get posted all over the web. I'd bet a crisp $50 that the majority of Linux
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
Ever visit MySpace.
... goes to his MySpace page, freeze. Did it again, same thing.
...
Showing a friend Linux for first time on a fresh Ubuntu install
Not great.
Now admittedly MySpace is a pile of poo sometimes but this was a pretty simple page. My guess is it's the flash audio player
If like me you prefer typing urls and find the Awesomebar intrusive, this is how to make it so you don't feel the urge to rant like the AC above.
1) Download Oldbar from Mozilla.org https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227. This makes it look like the FF2 addressbar.
Then, open about:config and:
2) Edit this key browser.urlbar.maxRichResults and set the value to 5 or 6.
3) Most importantly create this key: browser.urlbar.matchOnlyTyped type Boolean Value: true
The Awesomebar will now behave almost like the FF2 addressbar.
Cultist of the Average Middle-Aged Ones
Eternal damnation, obviously (or a £10 on-the-spot fine)
[ ]Half Empty [ ]Half Full [x]Twice as big as it needs to be
Odd, I've never entered my 'social security number' (or Canadian equivalent, my SIN) or a credit card into a web browser. If I need to buy something online, I get one of those pre-paid credit cards from wherever and use those.
Regardless, you send all of your information over the network - even your e-mail address! - despite not being able to see the code on the other end?
Fact of the matter is, you should trust Opera more than any web site. Breaking into a poorly-maintained server (or even a well-maintained server with a 0-day exploit) is often not as hard as you'd think. Once you're in, it's a trivial matter to dump the database, or even just modify the code to redirect information.
Do you really know who's behind every website you visit? Not 100%, not all the time. But you know who's behind Opera, and you can track where it tries to connect and how. That's more reassuring than anything.
Any 'closed-source is the boogeyman' individuals should honestly stop and think about things like the recent exploit in the Thai (?) language pack for Firefox, or the huge SSL bug that Debian developer introduced way back when. Just because many eyes *can* look at it doesn't mean they will.
So it's not my imagination that the "new form" makes it more easy to accidentally post as AC by not having an on-demand login field?
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"Never mind that there are zillion people out there who don't have Firefox on Linux crashing at all. Must be that it's Firefox, not you."
The same goes for Windows XP.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
For what it's worth, I've never had a single crash with Firefox 2 on my Linux box (Fedora Core 8 x86_64). I haven't upgraded to Firefox 3 yet, though.
Fear the penguin.
I'd opine that it is more important; promoting "alternative" software to the management types requires a tricky blend of eye-candy and stability. Most of my discussions went easier when you can say "This software does _____"
I'm seeing a lot of remarks about flash, and if a particular important reference site you you just happens to have that magic combination of elements to take you down, it's a tough initial impression to erase.
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Two of my favorite / most-used extensions are DownloadHelpder and TabsOpenRelative.
Both of them are broken in this new RC. I installed it (before knowing that), and at least it was kind enough to say after the update was complete that a) these extensions don't work and b) that the program would seek updates periodically to find if a new version *does* work.
Would have been a lot handier to know that up-front though; I wouldn't have done the upgrade, actually, if I'd known that.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
OK, I feel like a right idiot asking this, but I'm new to Linux and am still finding my way.
How do I install this update?
I downloaded firefox-3.0rc1.tar.bz2, but it only opens with the archive manager. I've extracted everything into a new folder, but nothing there seems to install the package.
There's a file called "updater", but nothing happens when I click on it. Clicking on the file named "Firefox" starts Firefox, after going through a EULA dialog at least the first time, but the b05 package is still what usually runs. Is installation not actually necessary?
"Check for Updates" under Help/About is grayed out.
I Googled for "firefox rc1 install" and several variations thereof, and remain unenlightened. It almost seems as if this update should happen automatically and transparently, but it's not happening for me.
Yes, I am using an account with admin powers.
I'm running Ubuntu 8.04, and ran the update manager before obtaining the FF release candidate.
Current FF version is 3 b05, which came with Ubuntu.
What am I missing?
I have to say, mysterious installation has been one of the major thorns in converting me whole heartedly to Linux. Sometimes it happens automagically, sometimes I can't figure out how to do it at all, and often I can find no information about how to install/update a package. Over and over, install instructions go no further than "download and install", which doesn't help much if the install doesn't start itself.
In the wrong hands, sanity is a dangerous weapon.
That's why Memorial Weekend is much anticipated.
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It's not my assumption.
It's my experience.
ff3b5 used less memory and was generally easier on resources, especially on my old 500mHz PIII an important issue.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
While watching youtube sometimes, my just freezes
What freezes? your g/f, your noodly appendage or maybe both.
It happens to me in FF2, though I never saw a correlation between 100% CPU usage (which is just Flash and Flash developers being shit) and it crashing the browser - though both were fairly frequent occurrences for me. Flash is fucking awful software (it's a fragile, insecure CPU hog), but I would like to access some content which is only available in Flash (eg. YouTube) so I too use FlashBlock. I do wish it could turn flash actually off, so I'd get the non-Flash version of a page if one was available, then click some widget to get the Flash version if I wanted it.
Chernobyl 'not a wildlife haven' - BBC News
ctrl alt esc and click on the firefox window, if that doesn't work, alt-f2 and type the command killall firefox-bin or in the case of FF2 on hardy, use killall firefox2-bin
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
Although they are not hackers the names Balmer and Gates would fit in the description of your list :)
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
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it's more stable than ff2 on mac also. When I installed b3 to see what it was like and found out it'd already taken over my preferences and passwords, I wasn't too worried because it turns out it didn't crash nearly as much as 2.11 or whatever I was using at the time. plus it had some awesome new features, and the only worthwhile extensions I wanted were being updated fairly quickly to keep up with the new betas.
That's not happened to me, on either Windows or Ubuntu 7.10 or 8.04. I think there's something else influencing you there -- have you checked your add-ons? Are you using the 'nightly builds?'
In my experience 90% of 'firefox' issues on linux are actually Flash issues.
Flashblock and noscript sorts most of that out and makes the internet usable again to boot.
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FWIW, RC1 for Windows imported only a few of my v2 bookmarks and won't allow me to import a backup html of them into v3. It also blew out my v2 cookies. Just a heads up for those considering installing RC1 - backup your bookmarks and cookies. I had to uninstall RC1 and reinstall v2 just to be able to use my bookmarks.
"There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people." - Thomas Jefferson
I hate to say it but he could be referring to a different God. I'm really not trying to offend you, but what's the point in finding it offensive? Can't you just accept the OP for who he is?
good thing the acid test doesn't mean anything, or else I might care :|
I always thought that you could get around the eternal damnation by accepting Jesus into your heart. Kind of like a get-out-of-jail-free card if you do that and repent before you die. Sudden death presents more of a problem however.
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
..they had different names for which browser on which OS. Just saying firefox gets confusing, because they are different. -> "what ya driving?" "a ford" "well ya, but *which* ford, the one that just had the huge recall, or what?"
Frankly, I'd like to see a major split/fork and have the FF linux devs just go their own way and be done with it and not have to be part of trying to make stuff work on windows so they can have universal releases all the time. And change the name.
Also, correct error handling is part of being standard compliant.
Er, what? Opera provides binaries for x86, x86_64 (in the most recent beta build only), PowerPC and SPARC, and all of the above come in .deb, .rpm and .tar.gz. You can explore the relevant parts of their FTP site for yourself if you want to check.
Thai = Vietnamese, I believe :D ;)
No big deal. Details aren't important on slashdot
Evolution is a state-sponsored, state-protected religion.
100% ack. The "more eyeballs - bugs shallow" idea turns out to be little more than an elusive Idealtyp if you look at the openssl Debian desaster. Replacing all the certificates that are floating around and calming down eventually is gonna cost tons of money. I don't know about the US, but here in Germany Debian is huge and the number one choice for servers.
It's a little like with airbags or fastened seat belts. They tend to work. But if you drive more recklessly as a result the net effect is zero if not negative.
Mind you, I reckon the more people switch to Linux the fewer will bother to even check the checksums of the files they download and install. Let alone look into the source code of their Firefox.
Which bit of the meaning of "Beta" didn't you get?
Or a hardware issue. If the hardware is bad and software manages to push it over the edge, it might crash other software at the same time.
It's been a -long- time since anything other than compiz crashed Xorg for me. (I've got onboard Intel video, and trying to run an opengl game with compiz is instant crash.)
That's not to say it's not happening solely in software for him, but just because Xorg crashes doesn't mean Xorg has a bug.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
Well, since this is about FF3? It's supposedly FASTER on javascript parsing & processing now, than Opera 9.27 is (& yes, it's been legitimately tested, so I have to concede that in betas & release candidates, FF has done well in THIS area so far vs. Opera)...
.pdf files lately)...
However, for how long?
Opera's "Ruled That Roost" for forever & a day, for speed overall + javscript processing, & Opera 9.50 beta has a really good shot @ overtaking them there (IF history is ANY indicator, & it usually is)...
HOWEVER - the thing is though, about javascript?
(Heck, if you pay attention to ANY security sites?? It's one of, if not THE most used attack vactor in webbrowsers, email clients, & even Adobe
Personally?? I keep javascript OFF for any sites (which, for me, IS MOST OF THEM) that do NOT absolutely demand it for practical function (not just "eye candy" stuff) - stuff like online banking &/or shopping sites qualify here, but that's about it...
APK
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
I agree.
Here's a good example of how useless ACID3 is:
http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2008/03/26/webkit-nightly-not-smiling/
Webkit gets 100/100 on ACID3, which includes SVG tests, yet webkit only gets 5/116 on SVG animation compliance.
Implementing the bare minimum to pass acid3 is a disservice to everyone.
Eric Meyer also has a bunch to say on how acid3 is a "missed opportunity"
http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/03/27/acid-redux/
It would be known very fast if a major browser was opening weird sockets to unknown IP addresses. Paranoid much?
Bah, what the OSS movement should have provided is an open platform where every software maker could compete just on merit, both closed and open source. Just let the better software win.
That would attract all developers from open and proprietary platforms and doom Microsoft faster than any current strategy.
Right now Linux is hostile to closed source and that of course, makes closed source companies hostile to Linux.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
.sig: No such file or directory
No, it isn't the reason. The reason is that Canonical has the position that Ubuntu must use the same version of a software package during a the life of a distro. That's why Wine always stays the same version in the Ubuntu repository. Now, if Ubuntu Hardy would include ff 2.0 and it would be EOL'd during Hardy's lifetime, Hardy would probably be vulnerable to exploits via ff 2.0. And since Hardy is an LTS release they chose to include betas and other not complete versions of their software packages so these version wouldn't EOL before Hardy did. Sounds reasonable enough. Just wait and all those nasty betas and RCs will disapear.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
Anyone with same problem? Windows XP plus Firefox3.0RC1
"You are temporarily on the classic version of Windows Live Hotmail due to an error encountered during login. Before trying again, please clear your cache and cookies."
That's your opinion. A perfectly valid one.
In my case I prefer to use some software that has been working perfectly fine for years and has been extensively copied in almost all features by others.
And by copied, I don't mean perfect copies. Mouse gestures in FF still sucks after you have used Opera mouse gestures for more than a week. And middle-button scrolling. All others have middle-button scrolling, but I just can't have pixel perfect accuracy with FF as I can with Opera. You see, you talk about hypothetic stuff (but valid, nonetheless) and I talk about actual experience (because all else is not really equal).
Having said that, I expect that FF copies Opera excellent SVG support as soon as possible.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
You're absolutely right! Thanks for bringing this issue up. We need swearing in story summaries!
By the way, if your god can't stand to be called by his moniker, perhaps he needs a new name. I suggest Stan.
I would love to lose the memory leaks, that FF2 has provided for me. Unfortunately, without my plugins (AdBlock Plus, anyone) being suppored, I'll have to ski the new and untried!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
AFAIK FF3 will have the best memory management of any browser.
I would be using this RC1 if I were you.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
I'd also like to comment that I'm very concerned with the keep-piling-on-features mentality in Firefox. I want a web browser - not an OS/desktop-in-a-window. The whole reason that firefox was born was that everybody was tired of Mozilla having 47 huge features that nobody needed. Let's stick to the basics and do them right. If they want to come out with a few other apps that can tightly integrate with firefox, that's great - but let's let the stand-alone browser be a stand-alone browser...
I'm surprised to hear this. I had the impression that Firefox 3 was much heavier on improvements (speed, memory, security, stability, OS integration) and lighter on new features than any other recent version, despite the long development cycle.
Even the 40 or so "new features" I listed in my unofficial changelog are mostly replacements for, or subtle enhancements to, existing features. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of speed and memory improvements and over 16000 total bug fixes.
Are there any new features that you think are especially "bloaty" or damaging to the user experience, or any aspects of quality that you feel have been neglected?
The shareholder is always right.
FF beta seems okish on my Ubuntu install. Only niggle I had was none of my add ons would work with it, but I kind of expected that anyway.
I get that crashing on some flash pages, like bloons www.ninjakiwi.com/bloons only sometimes, other times it works fine. I personally think ff3 is faster, nicer and better, although it is only incrementally so from a 'looks pretty' view point!
like phosphorescent desert buttons singing one familiar song
Because it isn't. FF3 beta manages to lock up xorg just fine without flash.
Firefox freezes whenever it has to contend with high disk i/o on my AMD64 Ubuntu systems, for which the bug in the SQLite DB handling is known.
After installing FF3/RC1 I ran the Acid 3 test [acidtests.org] and the SunSpider JavaScript Benchmark [webkit.org]. RC1 scored a 71, the same as Beta 5. The SunSpider test came up 4698.6ms for RC1. On Beta 5 it was 4757.2ms. Not really much of a difference as far as tests go. I was hoping for some better results, but overall RC1 seems responsive and stable.
I am using RC1 on MacOS X 10.5 and find it beach balling a fair amount. I never had this issue with beta 5. It has gotten so bad that I am tempted to go back to the beta until this is sorted.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
So what was up with that 25 year old BSD flaw?
Opera hasn't done that in years. Actually almost three years.
I'm not not licking toads.
I am not sure about you, but my credit card company websites actually incorporate flash into the page, so isn't the idea that open source == more secure negated if they are using proprietary technologies?
I'm not not licking toads.
There's so many add-ons/extensions these days, you really expect them all to keep up?
I'm sure many of them that had previously updated for the 3.0 betas just have to bump their version from 3.0pre to 3.0; others may still be working on updating to 3.0 for the first time.
Depending on what parts of Firefox they extend that may be more challenging/time consuming.
Expect quite a few to be updated as soon as it dawns on the authors that 3.0 RC1 is out. If they don't know it's out, they won't know to update it yet. If you believe that's the case you could help them out by throwing them a message "RC1 is out, if possible bump your version and go through your tests to make sure nothing broke," assuming they've updated to 3.0 betas previously.
-HobophobE
Nothing laughs forever.
Were each of these tabs on a different server?
See:
network.http.max-connections
network.http.max-connections-per-server
network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server
See Also:
network.http.pipelining.maxrequests (naming consistency?)
Hitting these limits explains why new tabs after N loading tabs do nothing at all, however they don't explain why the slow page holds up the other tabs that ARE within the limit (maybe due to FF's singlethreadedness?)
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
You mean RMS or Eric S. Raymond?
It completely implodes for me on 3.0b5.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
I hope I can save you the time of looking for the latest dev version that installs and works without problems in RC1...
http://groups.google.com/group/greasemonkey-users/browse_thread/thread/d686360296d0f7cf#
The current version available from mozilla.org refuses to install. You can install the dev version without having to turn off 'compatibility' checking.
I just can't live without "Disable Text Ads" from Userscripts.org. Getting rid of IntelliTXT, Adbrite et al, really makes
the pages safe to mouse-over again! Script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/3637
Though I agree it shouldn't be high on the list of priorities.
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
Afaict ubuntu is trying to do a LTS release on a relatively (compared to redhat/novell) small budget by avoiding having to backport security fixes themselves. I understand why they are doing this (they want to break into the enterprise market becaue that is where the real money is) but I wonder if it will backfire on them.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
Obviously something is blocking the loading/rendering in all open tabs when this is happening.
Having seen the effect I don't think that is what is going on because while this is happening I can load pages from other sites in other tabs with no problems.
IIRC firefox has by default a relatively low limit on the number of connections to a single server (iirc this can be changed through about:config). I suspect that cap is being hit by the "stuck" connections preventing further downloads from that server.
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
I'm not sure what they changed in this version, but I don't have all these extensions yet the update killed my firefox. What was worse, it killed my 2.0.0.14 install as well, and it took me a long time backing up and killing all my local Mozilla profiles in order to just get the 2.0.0.14 version working.
I hope the hundred or so error reports that got sent during my testing helps them unfuck this release before it goes gold. This is the kind of broken update I've come to expect from Microsoft, which is kind of why I use Firefox to begin with.
I just tested FF3 RC1 with Acid 2 and it didn't render properly. Beta 5 passed Acid 2 RC1 doesn't... does anyone else find that strange?
To me issuing a killall npviewer.bin usually helps on my Gentoo 64 box.
B: Why did this never ever ever happen in FF2?
Disclaimer: I'm downloading firefox3 for the first time right now so dont know if it will happen to me in FF3 so if it happened to you in FF2 as well disregard B. Answer A) Technically, the browser does not crash. When the behavior occurs, firefox.exe uses ~100% of CPU and an assload of RAM until I kill the process. I can occasionally (rarely) get enough shell resources to close the specific Flash-bound tab that's eating all the CPU, but more often than not, it's easier to kill the process and start over.
Answer B) It does happen in FF2
RW
1. Thanks for letting me know about swiftfox. I'm going to have to check that out.
2. Very nice troubleshooting tips and also the known issues info.
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
Beta 5 has working DPI, but that's stopped in RC1. Most people won't notice, but I'm running a CRT at 1600x1200 and everything came up postage stamp (just barely readable if you squint). Changing the fonts helped a bit, but every new page had to be resized manually.
I found that changing browser.screen_resolution in about:config mostly fixed it, but all the buttons and stuff at the top of the browser are still too small, and some pop up menus are tiny.
-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"When Flash takes out Firefox, it is Flash's fault.
When Firefox takes out Xorg, it is Xorg fault.
You know my story? Just get this awefulbar away from my face! (I am not asking about the oldbar extension - it doesn't work - just get me this "suggestion" off.)
Issue one and I'm not sure what it is, but youtube and flash video seems fishy - despite me installing the same plugin it suggests on a fresh install (which normally works under 2)
:(
(Videos load, won't play just kinda sits there showing the first frame)
Second issue, not Mozillas fault - oh god I'm dying without google browser sync
(Also RC1 killed compatibility with 'tabs menu' which is a brilliant little tool, it gives you 'tabs' up the top - much like 'windows' so you can change to whichever tab you like quickly)
What are you talking about? I've been using the "new form" back since beta days, and I've never had any problems with accidently posting as AC. PEBKAC, perhaps? Or an ID10T error?
...
Oh, we certainly get all sorts at Slashdot
That's funny, I'm running AdBlock Plus right now on FF3 RC1.
Good. I went through 3 betas, where it would do EVERYTHING, except block ads.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Those were the first things I tried - none worked, and as you pointed out they don't explain why all the other tabs froze.
Note that I haven't tried to reproduce this behavior recently. After banging my head against a wall for a while I just ended up using konqueror. I'm sure if I searched long and hard I could find either bug or list postings describing the problem - but again, this was a while ago.
You're right, but some feel that web browsing is not an "industry specific application that is highly tailored to a particular industry with no open source alternative."
I had the same problem going to icanhascheezeburger.com , just loading the page caused the entire browser to quit without any crash report or error.
Maybe you shouldn't have cheated on your English tests. Then you'd still be in Internet Explorer's grade where you belong.
MOD PARENT UP! I do use firebug. This makes perfect sense. I did not think that they would release FF if it had an issue like this and several people said they did not have this issue. I've seen it on all computers (Ubuntu and XP) running FF3b5 but they all also have firebug (I do web dev stuff for work). Thanks for the tip
sorry for being anonymous, but if I sign in it takes me to a posting place far from this one. I have opera installed on beta ubuntu 8.04. It works but it's so strange; in order to do some simple surfing I have to shut down and start over. However, you can get it in Ubuntu 8.04 beta. It's in the repositories. I assume it's also in Ubuntu 8.04 released stable, but I haven't received my disk yet.
Wait - Opera isn't adware anymore? I guess it's time to check it out again.
How can someone copy Opera's SVG support if it isn't open source?
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance or stupidity. -Isaac Asimov
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Installed it, caused my PC to hang. Then found out that adblock doesn't work. So, back to beta5 again
Use Ablock Plus, it works with FF3rc1. I also personally find it handier than Adblock.
Cultist of the Average Middle-Aged Ones
By 'machine optimized', do you mean:
.avi it animates (partially also here on this note to make it "1 moving part only simple" also), so the screensaver plays the series intro. back from RAM, not disk, for more speed/efficiency (the new series intro. of the tardis vectoring thru a wormhole/time-tunnel, etc.))))
Using INLINE ASM (inline assembly code) directives & code in say, C/C++ (Delphi can do this also, but I am fairly certain that FF is built in C++, correct?) for say, the x86 platform, & thus gaining speed MAINLY based upon that (instead of say, a "better algorithm/engine/technique")?
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Fact is, I did that type of work for this screensaver:
APK Doctor Who ScreenSaver 2008++ version 1.0:
http://www.drwhodaily.com/community/index.php?showtopic=386
For that program, when possible? I used Inlined Assembler code (via the ASM directive which Delphi also supports) for the best in speed.
(@ times, & @ others? Well sometimes, I did have to "rethink" how I structured or coded various routines (sometimes using inline assembler, instead of higher-level object-oriented Delphi code (or, even Win32 API stuff), & then, for the SLOWEST ones, I would try to (& many times did) redo them + eventually used multiple thread design & internal storage of the
In the end, it did net me better performance on a VERY OLD test system a pal of mine owns no less, who is also a fan of this series!
By the use of "hi-res multimedia timers"?
Well, it's kind of an "old-school" way of "profiling" your code... & by that, I mean that I 'ticked off' the time each routine took & wrote the output to a file each time via the use of high-resolution multimedia timer counts (which I registered w/ the system & ran in my code) to get those numbers to work on my slowest routines, & it tended to work out well... well enough so that the code runs on a system as "low/slow/old" as a CELERON Pentium II @ 400mhz w/ only 64mb of RAM on it no less...
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Anyhow - on FF3 being faster @ JAVASCRIPT PROCESSING?
Well, iirc, I read about it here in fact, in regards to FF3 being faster than Opera (finally, for once) in the area of javascript processing, but... I cannot recall the exact details!
Thanks for the 'refresher/update' on this note...
APK
Ah, quit yer trollin. AdBlock Plus is listed as compatible with Firefox 3. Download Firefox 3 RC 1 and AdBlock Plus already.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
No it was a troll, as it got modded as such. But the point was to point out that Open Source projects by being open source and popular doesn't make the product any better then closed source apps. I am personally sick of hearing Open Source is superior Closed source is inferior technically crap It is SOFTWARE and the Developers make the quality not the stincken license.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
OK at least people understood what I said. Vs. your sentence while possibly spelling and grammatically correct, makes no sense.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The same way they copied tabs, search history in the address bar, mouse gestures, etc. They have no shortage of developers you know.
You seem to believe that 'copy' can only mean 'copy & paste', and that has been proven false since Compaq vs. IBM about 30 years ago.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
It will be a first. It was always compatible - it just rendered ads. I will try RC1, 'tho'. I want minimum adblock plus, tabmix plus, DownloadThemAll, NoScript, and Download Helper!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
I don't think there's any argument that ideas and designs can be copied, that's why there's a patent system in the first place. Good ideas tend to be copied.
But that whole 'who copied who' debate is pointless. Every single 'new' feature that all the big browsers have implemented ever since they began is something you can trace back to application of varying obscurity that somebody wrote in the 60s. Tabs, gestures, everything you care to name has existed before, and all you'll ever accomplish is to get into a pointless argument over whether the developers knew about this or reinvented it on their own because it's such an obvious next step.
What I meant by my question was that I don't understand how you can 'copy' the implementation of an open standard. To my knowledge SVG is a W3C standard. The whole point of a standard is that you want everybody to implement it.
So short of copying Opera's code, I don't see how other developers can possibly 'copy Opera's SVG support' as you say, when it's an open standard?
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance or stupidity. -Isaac Asimov
"The web browser isn't your problem. Instead you should seek the help of a doctor to determine if you are a good candidate for some type of mental illness."
Anger problem?
Definitely an employee at Opera could build a vulnerability into the next version. There is no evidence, apparently, that such a thing has happened, but it could happen, especially if there are financial problems at Opera.
Note that everyone uses GnuPG and TrueCrypt for EXACTLY the same reason. The openness gives greater security.
Use the adblock plugin and block the site that popup is coming from.
Some may argue the ethics of using adblock will destroy the ad supported internet, but it's perfect for unethical websites like you mentioned.
Well, that was posted more like a 'challenge'.
It seems I'm not a very good motivator, after all.
We are Turing O-Machines. The Oracle is out there.
First you said AdBlock Plus is unsupported. Now you say you've always been using it but it doesn't work. Of course, now I understand perfectly.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
I wish I could mod you up several times because you make an excellent point that is not always realized. You can apply your point to an explanation of why Kubuntu 8.04 is not an LTS release (they don't want to keep KDE 3 for the length of the LTS release- 3 years on desktop, and KDE 4 was considered to unstable at the time).
Well no shit Sherlock. Firefox is my browser of choice and has been since v1.0 was still in beta. I was making a larger point, but thank you for being a douche bag. Perhaps you should run for Congress. You'd fit right in.
Ah, some truth on Slashdot. Refreshing. By engadging in a war on everything closed source open source advocates are screwing the pooch and throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Perhaps, then, your post would have been better placed somewhere else, and not as a response to "I would use Opera but I just can't bring myself to use a proprietary browser..."
Somehow I think we can troll each other on the internets without name calling.
Oh it doesn't matter where I post a comment like this. People like you will always take your shots. If you'll refer to my original post you'd see that I wasn't talking about general purpose software. I was trying to expand the discussion. Feel free to refute any of the points I tried to make if you disagree. That is the point of comments in the first place right? To engage in discussion.
I did agree with your original post.
I merely objected to the fact that it was in response to something about opera being closed source.
The intention of my reply was to convey that I don't think opera fits into the category of software you were talking about.
"People like you will always take your shots."
People like me?
Holy crap, did you actually try to *think* before typing that? You can't get into the firefox menu system while there is a popup, so how would I ban the site while it's popping up shit? arg!! Any anyway, noscript is the better current solution. A real solution would be to have a checkbox appear on a popup after like 5 popups that lets you kill javascript on that site by checking it.
I have a tab that causes Firefox to (near) freeze, which means 100% CPU load and a restart of FF.
I'd certainly love a way to find out which tab causes this.
Bye egghat
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel
And Thunderbid 3.0 alpha 1 is out too.
Firefox 3 Beta 5 worked on my comp and when it auto-updated to version 3 RC1 it crashed and never ran again. Now I'm without Firefox again. Today is a sad day for me.
I'm having this problem in FF3 RC1, but I didn't have the problem in the previous version (FF3 Beta 5).
ZuluPad, the wiki notepad on crack
I agree. I had the same problem with gmail. Disabled Firebug (a beta (or was it alpha?) to make it run on FF3beta5) and i could send emails again.
When Flash takes out Firefox, it's because Flash is doing something wrong.
When Firefox takes out Xorg, it's because Firefox is doing something perfectly acceptable, and Xorg has a bug which causes said behaviour to cause a crash.
Do you understand the difference? Or do I need to use smaller words?
Please try this and file a bug report:
1. Enable session saver (Options/Main/Startup: "When firefox starts": "show my windows and tabs from last time")
2a. Enable "clear private data on exit" (Options/Privacy/Private Data: Enable checkbox "Always clear private data when I close firefox")
2b. Click the "Settings" button and make sure "browsing history" is selected.
Now open a few tabs to different pages, then exit and restart firefox. What happens? All of your tabs from the last session are gone.
Expected behavior: history of past sites should be cleared, but the CURRENT sites that are open should not be.
Actual behavior: All history is cleared, as well as the tabs that were saved in the session.
Rationale: If the user doesn't want to have tabs re-opened when they start the browser, they can disable session saver.
This is a bug but because of incorrect logical thinking, it has been marked "wontfix". You can see the bug here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398817
This is a privacy bug because it removes the ability of people to clear their history while still retaining sessions, and therefor people will disable clearing of history altogether.
yeah, the idea of integrating a beta browser in the new release of ubuntu was really silly, but it's not really up to mozilla