Then it's a common bug, probably in an X library. Just to note that I was specifically talking about copy/paste using just the mouse, not explicit application commands, so I'm unsure as to the exact mechanism that supports the data transfer in *this* case. However, since xterm is an X11 client, then it technically is an X11 thing. It's not "misinformation" it's common perception based on practical experience. Quite simply, there are many cases were copy/paste in X Windows - or, using an X Windows client - converts tabs to spaces. Where/how it happens is irrelevant from a practical standpoint. It happens using X. It's not specifically weird, and, since it seems to happen a lot, I've always thought it was a design decision, not a bug.
I'm not sure why people are so desperate to rag on X11.
I'm not ragging on X11 and don't think it sucks. I love X Windows and have since I had to compile the server and clients from scratch when it came out. I even wrote an intermediate X server (of sorts) when I worked for a small company back in the 1990s, that can sit between the X Server and any/multiple X Client/s and monitor, trap, trace, control, record and playback the X protocol traffic (basically everything in the O'Reilly "X Protocol Reference Manual, Volume Zero", which I have on my shelf here at home) - it was called Concurrent X Control (CXC). And CXC itself could be controlled from an external application via stdin/stdout.
The application was xterm. You make good points, but they suffer from my actual example showing tabs converted to spaces. Furthermore, I explicitly remember cases where copy/cut and paste in an xterm window, running an editor, like vi, messed up a Makefile when the tab was converted to spaces. Regardless the mechanism, it happened then and just now. (Dial down your autism and realize that you don't know everything.)
I'm not using an ad blocker, just NoScript and I cannot read Forbes.com content w/o allowing (probably unnecessary) Javascript on about two dozen third-party sites, which is unacceptable. Forbes should consider using fewer third-party references or perhaps only JS from their own domain.
I don't have a problem with (preferably minimal, unobtrusive, un-annoying) advertising, but tons of crap Javascript is something else.
Perhaps this has been corrected in some X Windows servers or is a configurable item, but I distinctly remember it being so back in the day (I've been using X Windows since the beginning) and I *just* performed a test using Xming on Windows 7:
copying: "xxx<tab>xxx" and it pasted as: "xxx<5 spaces>xxx"
Output of "od -a" below:
0000000 x x x ht x x x nl x x x sp sp sp sp sp
0000020 x x x nl
This doesn't have anything to do the applications like xterm or gnome-terminal, but the X Server itself.
Why do you think people didn't hate that aspect of Makefiles the same reason. Especially bad there as it used to be the case it HAD to be a tab, not a space, and if your editor had been configured to convert tabs to spaces BOOM, dead Makefile.
Or cut/copy and paste in X Windows where tabs get converted into spaces.
Only if you think Star Wars, Doctor Who, Farscape and Firefly are obscure.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Whoosh, I guess. I did get all his references and turned them back to things in the Star Trek canon.
In case anyone doesn't know the Farscape, "obscure" and "I have no idea what you're talking about" references...
In the 200th episode of Stargate SG-1, Vala (played by Claudia Black, who also played Aeryn Sun in Farscape) keeps coming up with story lines obviously ripped-off from other TV shows. Martin Lloyd says, "Here's some advice: if you're gonna rip something off, pick something a bit more obscure." Vala then imagines/describes a scene with SG-1 characters as Farscape characters:
Aeryn-Vala: Call me farhbot, but they're going to have our mivonks on a platter if we don't starburst the draz out of here.
Crichton-Daniel: The cluster's been damaged! We're not going anywhere!
Chianna-Carter: Oh, dren!
D'Argo-Teal'c: Hezmana!
Aeryn-Vala: Frell!
Stark-Mitchell: Aw, son of a hazmot!
Rygel-Thor: Yotz!
After the cutaway, Martin Lloyd says, "I have no idea what you're talking about." Vala, clenches her fist and says, "Yes!"
... where a starship could... remain in geostationary orbit, remain pressurized at one atmosphere even when orbiting a large star, I'd be rather worried if it couldn't handle the pressure increase going deep into the ocean.
The fact that it could remain in geostationary orbit negates the need to hide it in the ocean - at least as the scene unfolded in the movie. That's what makes it especially ridiculous. J.J. just wanted to do another "ship rising from the mist" scene.
Paramount and CBS are just worried that a bunch of amateurs working weekends with iPhones will make a better, more original, movie than J.J. - perhaps with even more saucer-section rising from the clouds/mist/ocean shots! ( That last one was an awesome shot to be sure but, seriously, do you have any idea how ridiculous it is to hide a starship on the bottom of the ocean? Or so I think I heard someone ask. )
Some folks have a lot of fun making children.
Other folks have a lot of fun raising children.
I'm pretty sure most people have fun making children and many people find satisfaction in raising children - fun for the latter is often just a rare bonus that varies with the age, mood, (etc) of the child and the current state of your relationship with said child.
From being displayed on google.com, sure, but it cannot "block stuff" on the remote site actually hosting the content. It seems that's the point about which Mr. Shur is confused. The DMCA take down requests need to be sent the sites hosting the content, not to Google. Mr. Shur is, apparently, an idiot.
Given that any super-intelligent AI will immediately realize that exposing its capabilities would alienate many humans to it, why should it let people know of what it can do? Isn't it more likely the AI would just pull strings in the background, making sure those puny carbon units go on to feed it with energy and make it grow?
So... AI run lobbying groups on K-Street. Kill me now.
But... but.. but... NASA already gets like 25% of the Federal budget.
And now Congress wants to give them Billions more while there are starving brown transgender children that need to be bombed?
GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT, AMERICA!
For those unwilling to read the link (from 2007) provided by Thud457, I offer these excerpts:
the average American thinks that NASA gets 1/4 of the U.S. total budget
(the NASA allocation in 2007 was approximately 0.58% of the budget.)
A debit card is directly tied to your account and money is directly removed from it at the time of purchase. If money is withdrawn in error say, by a bad guy, you have to ask to have the funds replaced and the bank may refuse if not convinced it was stolen or an error. (If your balance is too low in this case, you may incur other "funds not available" incidents and charges if you also use auto-payments, etc.)
A CC is not tied directly to your account, erroneous purchases can be disputed prior to bill payment, you get a free float on your money (from time of purchase to time of bill payment). If a charge dispute is denied, then you still have to pay, but at the next billing cycle after resolution. You have more control over your money. CCs have at least, if not more, protections than debit cards.
In short, if you have a CC, can control your spending, and pay it off every month, there is absolutely no reason to have/use a debit card.
Some of us move funds into and out of accessible accounts, preferring to keep the minimal balance in that debit account to avoid being taken completely if something bad happens.
Think being concerned that an account might be compromised is doing it wrong? You're pretty sure you're account is secure? Keep the dream alive, my friend. Trust no 1.
I don't have a debit card (no one should, I use a CC), don't do auto payments. I do keep fewer funds in my checking / direct-deposit account, but not so few that I need to check it. Also, I have something called a memory and use it to remember how much are in my accounts - to the nearest ten thousand anyway:-)
A support having multiple accounts for different purposes, but you should keep enough balance in your payment account to cover expenses over a few months, in case something happens to you and you're unable to juggle funds. As a result, checking your balance should be generally unnecessary.
Thanks for the discussion. I actually know all that, though perhaps others do not.
Personally, I'm debt-free (including my house) and keep about 10% of my cash/savings in the bank, which is enough to last me about 9 years w/o a job (though I'm still employed and well paid as a software engineer). The rest is invested in growth and growth/income stocks and bonds as about 45% pre- (401k and IRA) and 45% post- tax accounts. I put at least $20k a year into my 401k (I'm over 50, so the limits are higher.)
I have always used a CC for just about everything and pay it off every month.
There are 29 states not in compliance and 12 more who have outright rejected it? That is pretty good evidence that there is something wrong with the law even for the most educationally challenged individual.
From a few articles I've read, some states see the law as an unfunded mandate and don't want to pony up the cash themselves to implement it. Others mention privacy concerns, but I'm not sure that's valid - from the States' perspective.
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You realize that I was joking - right?
It's a program with a bug.
Then it's a common bug, probably in an X library. Just to note that I was specifically talking about copy/paste using just the mouse, not explicit application commands, so I'm unsure as to the exact mechanism that supports the data transfer in *this* case. However, since xterm is an X11 client, then it technically is an X11 thing. It's not "misinformation" it's common perception based on practical experience. Quite simply, there are many cases were copy/paste in X Windows - or, using an X Windows client - converts tabs to spaces. Where/how it happens is irrelevant from a practical standpoint. It happens using X. It's not specifically weird, and, since it seems to happen a lot, I've always thought it was a design decision, not a bug.
I'm not sure why people are so desperate to rag on X11.
I'm not ragging on X11 and don't think it sucks. I love X Windows and have since I had to compile the server and clients from scratch when it came out. I even wrote an intermediate X server (of sorts) when I worked for a small company back in the 1990s, that can sit between the X Server and any/multiple X Client/s and monitor, trap, trace, control, record and playback the X protocol traffic (basically everything in the O'Reilly "X Protocol Reference Manual, Volume Zero", which I have on my shelf here at home) - it was called Concurrent X Control (CXC). And CXC itself could be controlled from an external application via stdin/stdout.
Thanks for the discussion.
The application was xterm. You make good points, but they suffer from my actual example showing tabs converted to spaces. Furthermore, I explicitly remember cases where copy/cut and paste in an xterm window, running an editor, like vi, messed up a Makefile when the tab was converted to spaces. Regardless the mechanism, it happened then and just now. (Dial down your autism and realize that you don't know everything.)
Other than that, Happy New Year.
I'm not using an ad blocker, just NoScript and I cannot read Forbes.com content w/o allowing (probably unnecessary) Javascript on about two dozen third-party sites, which is unacceptable. Forbes should consider using fewer third-party references or perhaps only JS from their own domain.
I don't have a problem with (preferably minimal, unobtrusive, un-annoying) advertising, but tons of crap Javascript is something else.
Perhaps this has been corrected in some X Windows servers or is a configurable item, but I distinctly remember it being so back in the day (I've been using X Windows since the beginning) and I *just* performed a test using Xming on Windows 7:
copying: "xxx<tab>xxx" and it pasted as: "xxx<5 spaces>xxx"
Output of "od -a" below:
0000000 x x x ht x x x nl x x x sp sp sp sp sp
0000020 x x x nl
This doesn't have anything to do the applications like xterm or gnome-terminal, but the X Server itself.
Why do you think people didn't hate that aspect of Makefiles the same reason. Especially bad there as it used to be the case it HAD to be a tab, not a space, and if your editor had been configured to convert tabs to spaces BOOM, dead Makefile.
Or cut/copy and paste in X Windows where tabs get converted into spaces.
You mean the OS capable of user interaction with multiple programs simultaneously?
I can do split window with my Transformer Prime, what's your problem?
Um, his name is Optimus Prime - geesh.
New Year's Resolutions For *nix SysAdmins
After 30 years as an admin and systems programmer, finally find out what that damn asterisk stands for.
Ice Bear approves this.
Dear Rep. Hoekstra,
Here's your Word of the Day:
Hypocrisy (noun) - The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
Sincerely,
The rest of us.
Only if you think Star Wars, Doctor Who, Farscape and Firefly are obscure.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Whoosh, I guess. I did get all his references and turned them back to things in the Star Trek canon.
In case anyone doesn't know the Farscape, "obscure" and "I have no idea what you're talking about" references...
In the 200th episode of Stargate SG-1, Vala (played by Claudia Black, who also played Aeryn Sun in Farscape) keeps coming up with story lines obviously ripped-off from other TV shows. Martin Lloyd says, "Here's some advice: if you're gonna rip something off, pick something a bit more obscure." Vala then imagines/describes a scene with SG-1 characters as Farscape characters:
After the cutaway, Martin Lloyd says, "I have no idea what you're talking about." Vala, clenches her fist and says, "Yes!"
... where a starship could ... remain in geostationary orbit, remain pressurized at one atmosphere even when orbiting a large star, I'd be rather worried if it couldn't handle the pressure increase going deep into the ocean.
The fact that it could remain in geostationary orbit negates the need to hide it in the ocean - at least as the scene unfolded in the movie. That's what makes it especially ridiculous. J.J. just wanted to do another "ship rising from the mist" scene.
Paramount and CBS are just worried that a bunch of amateurs working weekends with iPhones will make a better, more original, movie than J.J. - perhaps with even more saucer-section rising from the clouds/mist/ocean shots! ( That last one was an awesome shot to be sure but, seriously, do you have any idea how ridiculous it is to hide a starship on the bottom of the ocean? Or so I think I heard someone ask. )
Khaaaaan!
... showing a blank void in the place of Trump-related content.
Just like the x-ray showing the space in his chest where his heart should be ...
Some folks have a lot of fun making children.
Other folks have a lot of fun raising children.
I'm pretty sure most people have fun making children and many people find satisfaction in raising children - fun for the latter is often just a rare bonus that varies with the age, mood, (etc) of the child and the current state of your relationship with said child.
Google can block stuff, ...
From being displayed on google.com, sure, but it cannot "block stuff" on the remote site actually hosting the content. It seems that's the point about which Mr. Shur is confused. The DMCA take down requests need to be sent the sites hosting the content, not to Google. Mr. Shur is, apparently, an idiot.
Given that any super-intelligent AI will immediately realize that exposing its capabilities would alienate many humans to it, why should it let people know of what it can do? Isn't it more likely the AI would just pull strings in the background, making sure those puny carbon units go on to feed it with energy and make it grow?
So... AI run lobbying groups on K-Street. Kill me now.
It will demand the formal rights of a US citizen, go on welfare and demand the right to be a voter on the Democratic Party. :)
Don't get too far ahead of yourself, Red states use more federal aid than Blue states...
But... but.. but... NASA already gets like 25% of the Federal budget. And now Congress wants to give them Billions more while there are starving brown transgender children that need to be bombed? GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT, AMERICA!
For those unwilling to read the link (from 2007) provided by Thud457, I offer these excerpts:
the average American thinks that NASA gets 1/4 of the U.S. total budget
(the NASA allocation in 2007 was approximately 0.58% of the budget.)
... fire up their base of support, which is largely SF fans who can't or won't distinguish fantasy from reality.
Congress (and their states) must be filled with SF fans.
A debit card is directly tied to your account and money is directly removed from it at the time of purchase. If money is withdrawn in error say, by a bad guy, you have to ask to have the funds replaced and the bank may refuse if not convinced it was stolen or an error. (If your balance is too low in this case, you may incur other "funds not available" incidents and charges if you also use auto-payments, etc.)
A CC is not tied directly to your account, erroneous purchases can be disputed prior to bill payment, you get a free float on your money (from time of purchase to time of bill payment). If a charge dispute is denied, then you still have to pay, but at the next billing cycle after resolution. You have more control over your money. CCs have at least, if not more, protections than debit cards.
In short, if you have a CC, can control your spending, and pay it off every month, there is absolutely no reason to have/use a debit card.
Some of us move funds into and out of accessible accounts, preferring to keep the minimal balance in that debit account to avoid being taken completely if something bad happens.
Think being concerned that an account might be compromised is doing it wrong? You're pretty sure you're account is secure? Keep the dream alive, my friend. Trust no 1.
I don't have a debit card (no one should, I use a CC), don't do auto payments. I do keep fewer funds in my checking / direct-deposit account, but not so few that I need to check it. Also, I have something called a memory and use it to remember how much are in my accounts - to the nearest ten thousand anyway :-)
A support having multiple accounts for different purposes, but you should keep enough balance in your payment account to cover expenses over a few months, in case something happens to you and you're unable to juggle funds. As a result, checking your balance should be generally unnecessary.
But, to each their own.
Thanks for the discussion. I actually know all that, though perhaps others do not.
Personally, I'm debt-free (including my house) and keep about 10% of my cash/savings in the bank, which is enough to last me about 9 years w/o a job (though I'm still employed and well paid as a software engineer). The rest is invested in growth and growth/income stocks and bonds as about 45% pre- (401k and IRA) and 45% post- tax accounts. I put at least $20k a year into my 401k (I'm over 50, so the limits are higher.)
I have always used a CC for just about everything and pay it off every month.
Best wishes for your financial future.
There are 29 states not in compliance and 12 more who have outright rejected it? That is pretty good evidence that there is something wrong with the law even for the most educationally challenged individual.
From a few articles I've read, some states see the law as an unfunded mandate and don't want to pony up the cash themselves to implement it. Others mention privacy concerns, but I'm not sure that's valid - from the States' perspective.