3 year BA/BS, are for lighter topics, most engineering degrees are 4-5 years (outside the US), and this is 4-5 years of what is called "Honours bachelor's". So it's definitely not that.
Over here, if you leave high school and aren't up to scratch for university, there are other educational facilities you go to, which are essentially designed to re-go over everything you did in high school and make sure you understand it. Then you can continue on the university.
Nah, the 3 years is the minimum. If you do the honours or double or just take extra courses (can be hard if they try to auto-graduate you, but it's what I'm doing), then you can drag it out for quite a long time. Even on centrelink. You just need to know the rules, and know what to NOT finish before you're ready. My program is 4 years of economics and finance, and with the courses I've added on, it will be more like 5-6.
LOL What? Really? Hold on. So, if you can skip those courses by doing a course in high school, then this means that everyone else is doing high school course in university. Wow. The more I read this thread, the worse an american university degree sounds.
If this course can be done in high school, why ISN'T it being done in high school? Why isn't it a requirement of getting into the degree? This seems insane to me.
Sounds like your universities aren't so much universities as they are a second high school, with a bit of a university education.
So, you didn't learn to think or communicate until university, hey?
Odd, that's what everyone else did in high school. I guess you were a little slow. From the other american responses on here, it seems as though it's an american affliction.
Because your universities seem to have to teach you what you should have already learnt, I suggest we downgrade your universities to "Pre-Versities", or "High School 2: This Time, We Mean Business". Then you can take on the British model for your new real universities.
It's a very odd concept to me. It sounds like your university is just a continuation of high school. I know many people who take on a lot more than their specialization, and they even add on courses on top of what's required for their degree (for instance, I'm doing extra courses to meet accounting requirements, even though it won't count towards my degree). However, this is because they have some interest, or fascination with the course. Not because they're made too. Though, they often have a single "technical writing" course, as this is within their degree, and will help them.
As someone who works at a large international company which works with many people from around the world, some of the least "educated" / skilled people I've worked with, have been American. When put next to, british, australian, french, and german engineers and accountants, even the ones who've come from fancy american universities, seem almost retarded in comparison. (I said engineers and accountants as they're the ones I primarily come into contact with)
While I wouldn't say everyone, but it's become a bit of a joke at our various head offices. We get candidates who have studied for 4-6 years (sometimes more), and yet it's almost like they've only done introductory courses.
Perhaps you should focus less on Gen-Ed, and more on your specialization, at university. Gen-Ed is to be done on top of your specialization, not as part of it.
Me thinks you're mistaking correlation for causation.
What you're saying is almost EVERY University outside of the United States is just a trade school.
You see, everywhere else in the world, university is the place you go to learn and specialize in your field. They don't baby you, they don't teach you to "write", "comprehend", and "reason", that's what your high schools, and lower educational facilities are for.
Why should a university be trying to teach you, what you should have already learnt? If you don't have these skills, then you're going to fail, or at the most pass very poorly.
The only students who need to learn how to write, are the international students, and they usually do courses beforehand.
As for reasoning and comprehending, well fuck me, if they need to teach you this sort of thing at that level (beyond that which is required for your specialization, eg, the ability to understand programs), then your universities must be remedial universities.
Yeah, I do believe this is a US only problem. I've friends studying in Europe, the UK, and many in Australia, and none of us have to study English, Philosophy, History, Art, unless it's to do with the subject, such as the History of Economics.
So, maybe there are some US Bachelor of Science degrees, which don't require Gen-Ed. I also agree with the asker, in that, while they may be enriching and beneficial, I'd rather focus on studying my discipline/speciality. If I wanted to make it more rounded, I would.
When I found out that they did this in the US, I was pretty amazed.
What percentage of the degree is taken up with Gen-Ed? If it's just 1 or 2 courses, then maybe it's not that bad.
I've gone back to study a double in Honours Economics and Finance while picking up all the courses for Accounting, which is about 5-6 years, which is about 46 to 50 courses, and only 1 of those is sort of Gen-Ed, and that's "International Economic History III". Everything else is focused on the degrees I've chosen.
Oh sorry, you must have missed my post, read someone else's and responded to that.
They are still willing to work for less (a worker in Romania will work for less money than one in America), so how do you close that loop hole?
Additionally, you're saying that the company should pay double taxes. They should pay the other countries taxes, and your taxes. Does this apply to two separate companies with the same shareholders? If company A outside America sells something to company B inside America, how do you know how much tax they should pay when they sell that item? What if the company inside American only bought it for a price slightly under what it's worth? What if they aren't the same company?
Just so you know, there's absolutely no reasonable way around this, that wouldn't hurt the country, more than it helps them.
Some good information, however your information on grenades is way off.
For the brief time I dealt with this sort of stuff standard operating procedure while walking in very open high risk areas, was to maintain a minimum of a 10 meter radius between each other, such that only one man at most would die, while a few might just sustain injuries, in the likelihood of most grenades, and some certain mortar rounds.
Just in case things have changed, or I am remembering incorrectly, I looked it up on wikipedia's hand grenade article: "For the M67 fragmentation grenade used by several NATO nations, the effective kill zone has a five meter radius, while the casualty-inducing radius is approximately fifteen meters. Fragments can fly as far as 230 meters. Usually people in a 15 meter radius are injured enough to effectively render them harmless."
This makes sense with why we had to have a 10 meter radius, as there would then only be 1 possible person in the effective kill radius, and at most there could be 4 people in the effective casualty radius. On top of that, given one lands, everyone hits the ground, and you limit yourself to only a small portion of the explosion.
Now while fragments can be launched as far as 230m away, they are not likely to kill anyone. Now while you could have bigger hand grenades which would have a greater chance of this, you're not likely to see them in operation.
Exactly. Though, sometimes I do completely random stuff, other times, when I'm forced to write a pile of these, I tend to get a little angry by the last one. So they're often of the form: %#@02-1as who the fuck wrote this fucking system, he is surely a retard of the highest order
If they'll allow me to use that many characters. This is fine and dandy, if I only see it. But sometimes the support personnel take offence.
This remind's me of something a teacher from primary school used to say...
"Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will always hurt me." - Penny Sinclaire
I remember this profoundly affecting me at the time, because people had always stated the converse (that "names will never hurt me"), blew my mind at the time.
It must have affected me so much, that to this day, I still remember it some 20+ years later.
I've noticed that the "cracking" method of choice was just "see if these are known values in public rainbow tables". Which, many of them were. Huzzah!
Also, I thought that all md5's had been cracked before, however it seems not so. So, I decided to calculate how many gb such a table would AT LEAST have to be. Well, I was quite surprised. Unless there's collisions or my math is fucked, that's quite a lot!
Seems Unveilance, the company which had its CEO's private emails leaked, has responded and sort of, also authenticated the hack too. Unveillance Official Statement
Wow, you read that with a lot of faulty inference. Nowhere the GP said nothing about how much money they've got, only that there are incentives for further research, and the grants you can attract, if you've a positive history.
Not sure how you came to what must have been your conclusion about what he said.
I've recently gone back to Uni, and while I'm reasonably well off as I can work as a programmer, most of the people I meet are on welfare, or similar, and often working some shit job on free days, just to make it through.
Their spring breaks are filled with mopping floors, bussing tables, and similar.
One of my friends who did this, worked at an alcohol shop, studied petrolium engineering, his parents weren't rich, but weren't extremely poor, and he's now on 150k+.
What you come from can make it easier, but it's not the be all and end all.
Also, remember, each man is not an island, so there's a lot of random variation amongst essentially the same people, due only to "luck". For instance, my friend was lucky enough to not have any large medical bills over this time, others maybe weren't so lucky.
Darwin is pretty far away from Christchurch. I guess they could get someone from there to volunteer, but I doubt anyone who has won some prestigious award would be into it.
Hell, Google Maps can't even figure out how to get there!
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3 year BA/BS, are for lighter topics, most engineering degrees are 4-5 years (outside the US), and this is 4-5 years of what is called "Honours bachelor's". So it's definitely not that.
Over here, if you leave high school and aren't up to scratch for university, there are other educational facilities you go to, which are essentially designed to re-go over everything you did in high school and make sure you understand it. Then you can continue on the university.
Nah, the 3 years is the minimum. If you do the honours or double or just take extra courses (can be hard if they try to auto-graduate you, but it's what I'm doing), then you can drag it out for quite a long time. Even on centrelink. You just need to know the rules, and know what to NOT finish before you're ready. My program is 4 years of economics and finance, and with the courses I've added on, it will be more like 5-6.
LOL What? Really? Hold on. So, if you can skip those courses by doing a course in high school, then this means that everyone else is doing high school course in university. Wow. The more I read this thread, the worse an american university degree sounds.
If this course can be done in high school, why ISN'T it being done in high school? Why isn't it a requirement of getting into the degree? This seems insane to me.
Sounds like your universities aren't so much universities as they are a second high school, with a bit of a university education.
So, you didn't learn to think or communicate until university, hey?
Odd, that's what everyone else did in high school. I guess you were a little slow. From the other american responses on here, it seems as though it's an american affliction.
Because your universities seem to have to teach you what you should have already learnt, I suggest we downgrade your universities to "Pre-Versities", or "High School 2: This Time, We Mean Business". Then you can take on the British model for your new real universities.
It's a very odd concept to me. It sounds like your university is just a continuation of high school. I know many people who take on a lot more than their specialization, and they even add on courses on top of what's required for their degree (for instance, I'm doing extra courses to meet accounting requirements, even though it won't count towards my degree). However, this is because they have some interest, or fascination with the course. Not because they're made too. Though, they often have a single "technical writing" course, as this is within their degree, and will help them.
As someone who works at a large international company which works with many people from around the world, some of the least "educated" / skilled people I've worked with, have been American. When put next to, british, australian, french, and german engineers and accountants, even the ones who've come from fancy american universities, seem almost retarded in comparison. (I said engineers and accountants as they're the ones I primarily come into contact with)
While I wouldn't say everyone, but it's become a bit of a joke at our various head offices. We get candidates who have studied for 4-6 years (sometimes more), and yet it's almost like they've only done introductory courses.
Perhaps you should focus less on Gen-Ed, and more on your specialization, at university. Gen-Ed is to be done on top of your specialization, not as part of it.
Me thinks you're mistaking correlation for causation.
Holy shit!
What you're saying is almost EVERY University outside of the United States is just a trade school.
You see, everywhere else in the world, university is the place you go to learn and specialize in your field. They don't baby you, they don't teach you to "write", "comprehend", and "reason", that's what your high schools, and lower educational facilities are for.
Why should a university be trying to teach you, what you should have already learnt? If you don't have these skills, then you're going to fail, or at the most pass very poorly.
The only students who need to learn how to write, are the international students, and they usually do courses beforehand.
As for reasoning and comprehending, well fuck me, if they need to teach you this sort of thing at that level (beyond that which is required for your specialization, eg, the ability to understand programs), then your universities must be remedial universities.
Or, come to Australia, or probably even Canada, and likely ANY country but the US.
Yeah, I do believe this is a US only problem. I've friends studying in Europe, the UK, and many in Australia, and none of us have to study English, Philosophy, History, Art, unless it's to do with the subject, such as the History of Economics.
So, maybe there are some US Bachelor of Science degrees, which don't require Gen-Ed. I also agree with the asker, in that, while they may be enriching and beneficial, I'd rather focus on studying my discipline/speciality. If I wanted to make it more rounded, I would.
When I found out that they did this in the US, I was pretty amazed.
What percentage of the degree is taken up with Gen-Ed? If it's just 1 or 2 courses, then maybe it's not that bad.
I've gone back to study a double in Honours Economics and Finance while picking up all the courses for Accounting, which is about 5-6 years, which is about 46 to 50 courses, and only 1 of those is sort of Gen-Ed, and that's "International Economic History III". Everything else is focused on the degrees I've chosen.
Oh sorry, you must have missed my post, read someone else's and responded to that.
They are still willing to work for less (a worker in Romania will work for less money than one in America), so how do you close that loop hole?
Additionally, you're saying that the company should pay double taxes. They should pay the other countries taxes, and your taxes. Does this apply to two separate companies with the same shareholders? If company A outside America sells something to company B inside America, how do you know how much tax they should pay when they sell that item? What if the company inside American only bought it for a price slightly under what it's worth? What if they aren't the same company?
Just so you know, there's absolutely no reasonable way around this, that wouldn't hurt the country, more than it helps them.
I am an accountant.
Yes, and one of those "loopholes" is ... They are willing to work for less.
So, how do we close that loop hole?
Some good information, however your information on grenades is way off.
For the brief time I dealt with this sort of stuff standard operating procedure while walking in very open high risk areas, was to maintain a minimum of a 10 meter radius between each other, such that only one man at most would die, while a few might just sustain injuries, in the likelihood of most grenades, and some certain mortar rounds.
Just in case things have changed, or I am remembering incorrectly, I looked it up on wikipedia's hand grenade article:
"For the M67 fragmentation grenade used by several NATO nations, the effective kill zone has a five meter radius, while the casualty-inducing radius is approximately fifteen meters. Fragments can fly as far as 230 meters. Usually people in a 15 meter radius are injured enough to effectively render them harmless."
This makes sense with why we had to have a 10 meter radius, as there would then only be 1 possible person in the effective kill radius, and at most there could be 4 people in the effective casualty radius. On top of that, given one lands, everyone hits the ground, and you limit yourself to only a small portion of the explosion.
Now while fragments can be launched as far as 230m away, they are not likely to kill anyone. Now while you could have bigger hand grenades which would have a greater chance of this, you're not likely to see them in operation.
WOW! Iran's going to send someone from their government into space? Who?
Supreme Leader (Ali Khamenei) or President (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) or... one of the other government officials?
Either way, this is awesome news. Good riddance, damn monkey!
The Bank of Imaginary. Where everytime I mash the keyboard, they set that to my mothers maiden name.
It's a terrible bank. Really insecure.
WOW! That's not good. So, they ENFORCED bad security on you. By revealing something which could be found out.
That's insane.
Exactly. Though, sometimes I do completely random stuff, other times, when I'm forced to write a pile of these, I tend to get a little angry by the last one. So they're often of the form:
%#@02-1as who the fuck wrote this fucking system, he is surely a retard of the highest order
If they'll allow me to use that many characters. This is fine and dandy, if I only see it. But sometimes the support personnel take offence.
I always answer those questions, with a different password. This results in many people going, "LOL So your mothers maiden name is jks)*8h9*H*(BY?"
This is when those are used for verbal authentication over the phone. Then on top of this, I just need some reasonable password management.
All good!
This remind's me of something a teacher from primary school used to say...
"Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will always hurt me."
- Penny Sinclaire
I remember this profoundly affecting me at the time, because people had always stated the converse (that "names will never hurt me"), blew my mind at the time.
It must have affected me so much, that to this day, I still remember it some 20+ years later.
"You got cheesy blasters!" and then meat cat flies away on his skateboard.
I don't think it would, since if they've got access to that, they've probably got access to the code, which will show what it is anyway.
Also, I think that's a good idea. Something I'll take on board in the future, me thinks.
So, they didn't even salt the md5 hashes. How lazy does this "security" firm want to be?
Also, how simple do some of these passwords want to be? LOL "infragard26j" are you kidding me? Come on IBM, lift your game!
Here's a copy of the exposed file on PasteBin
I've noticed that the "cracking" method of choice was just "see if these are known values in public rainbow tables". Which, many of them were. Huzzah!
Also, I thought that all md5's had been cracked before, however it seems not so. So, I decided to calculate how many gb such a table would AT LEAST have to be. Well, I was quite surprised. Unless there's collisions or my math is fucked, that's quite a lot!
Seems Unveilance, the company which had its CEO's private emails leaked, has responded and sort of, also authenticated the hack too. Unveillance Official Statement
Wow, you read that with a lot of faulty inference. Nowhere the GP said nothing about how much money they've got, only that there are incentives for further research, and the grants you can attract, if you've a positive history.
Not sure how you came to what must have been your conclusion about what he said.
I've recently gone back to Uni, and while I'm reasonably well off as I can work as a programmer, most of the people I meet are on welfare, or similar, and often working some shit job on free days, just to make it through.
Their spring breaks are filled with mopping floors, bussing tables, and similar.
One of my friends who did this, worked at an alcohol shop, studied petrolium engineering, his parents weren't rich, but weren't extremely poor, and he's now on 150k+.
What you come from can make it easier, but it's not the be all and end all.
Also, remember, each man is not an island, so there's a lot of random variation amongst essentially the same people, due only to "luck". For instance, my friend was lucky enough to not have any large medical bills over this time, others maybe weren't so lucky.
Darwin is pretty far away from Christchurch. I guess they could get someone from there to volunteer, but I doubt anyone who has won some prestigious award would be into it.
Hell, Google Maps can't even figure out how to get there!