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Why Johnny Can't Code and How That Can Change
snydeq writes "Fatal Exception's Neil McAllister discusses why schools are having a hard time engaging young minds in computer science — and what the Scalable Game Design program in Colorado is doing to try to change that. 'Repenning's program avoids this disheartening cycle in three important ways. First, it deemphasizes programming while still encouraging students to develop the logical thinking skills they'll need for more advanced studies. Second, it engages students by encouraging them to be creative and solve their own problems, rather than just repeating exercises dictated by their instructor. Third, and perhaps most important, students are rewarded for their efforts with an actual, concrete result they can relate to: a game.'"
Johnny can code, just that there's too much against Johhny to make him want to do so.
Get rid of offshoring, and Johnny will want to code.
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no amount of coddling will make you a good programmer.
Johnny needs a solid foundation in Programming Logic and avoiding pitfalls of "drop-through logic" before Johnny writes code for production.
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... it's designed to attract the types of students who are disinterested in, or don't have the mind-set for, "real programming".
That worked out real well for all those colleges that churn out useless web monkeys - but not so well for the unemployable students going around with their "Certificate as a Webmaster's Assistant".
What next - "Programming by Powerpoint"? Oh wait ...
Future Borders employees in that they will be coding the database software that Borders uses in it's thousands of stores worldwide.
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That was the one frustrating thing about CS classes it seemed like a whole lot of useless exercises. I wanted something that felt like it would matter later; exercises that show me how to draw a circle on the screen are great, but students need applicable exercises to show them why this stuff matters.
When we'd talk after class as juniors in college we wondered if we really knew anything at all, because it felt like we didn't.
Motivation is everything and if you feel like what you're learning has no applicability it's damn depressing.
It's hard for young students to see the purpose of these kinds of exercises, particularly when there is already plenty of software available to accomplish the same tasks, with no programming required.
The big problem with doing large "real" projects while still learning is that eventually you hit a point where you realize your initial design was bad. On a small "make work" project you can start over .. on a large project you just kind of have to go with it. Obviously this happens in real life to seasoned pros as well... but while you are still learning the fundementals it's apt to happen way more often and would seem to hold less educational value.
Somewhat offtopic, something that isn't done enough when people are learning to do design and coding, is to analyze failures. If you come up with a bad design, don't just bin it and start fresh.. really look at the process you went through to end up with that bad design. Sometimes it is a lack of understanding of some concept (especially true when initially learning OO fundementals) ... but sometimes it is a way that you looked at a problem. I think a lot can be learnt not just from looking at a bad design and analysing why it is bad, but also looking at we arrived at that design.
You programmers rest on the achievements of the physical sciences which allowed the production of billion transistor CPUs, gigahertz clock rates and gigabytes of RAM , etc. There is no consequence to writing academically "bad" software. Just keep waiting and hoping for a faster computer and blame the hardware for being "slow", even though you wouldn't even understand how a 25 year old computer actually worked inside.
Software is now a personal thing, everyone with a glimmer of an idea invents a new language or "framework" for one specific task, creating a tidal wave of buzzwords, incompatible ways of doing things and general confusion. Software is a world where you learn something one day, flush it down the sink at the end of the day and start again from scratch the next day.
Software is a world in which people can say with a straight face they are "craftsmen" when in reality a craft is all about learning a set of tools that DOESN'T CHANGE, so you CAN learn the tool! Do you know any craftsmen who learn let's say about the circular saw, then forget all about and find some other way to cut wood the next day? You'd have them committed for mental evaluation.
Software shouldn't be all that different. At the end of the day, your job is to take a byte from here and put it there. That's it.
How about just making it possible to not require a degree? Combine that with a required preference for US citizens - linked to the long-term and short term unemployment rates - and allow ourselves to redevelop our home market.
It might be painful for business, but getting obstacles out of the way for workers is as valid as removing obstacles for business.
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Yeah. Good luck with that. Companies need people who aren't "blind" programming. The will always need good "computer scientists" who can look at a design and see the defects before any coding is done to save the company $$$ and time getting to market.
They'll also need people who can LOOK at the code from the kids and make sure that whet they're writing is actually, I don't know... FUNCTIONAL ?
Too many companies are short sighted in their hiring/retention practices and forget that people with experience have just that, EXPERIENCE. They're used to looking at a problem and seeing solutions (or at least seeing the problems and working around them).
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You either have it or you don't. I think in this case of nature/nurture, nature plays a much bigger factor. Nurturing can find these minds, but I've not seen any evidence that it can create them.
How much game programming can you do in an hour's lesson? Even Scratch, used at our local school, takes an age to get the loop timings and event handling right. My little'un soon got bored of that.
How long would it take one of you guys to program Tic-Tac-Toe in a low level scripting language? What about with an AI?
The kids spend 38 weeks a year at school, maybe doing an hour ICT a week. Knock Tic-Tac-Toe out in 38 hours? I think not.
The article also spoke about getting Johnny interested... My little'un camp back from school yesterday with a robot. It consisted of a batery pack, two motors, two microswitches with cable-ties attached, which doubled the speed of the motor when pressed, all held together with electical tape, with two googly-eyes on top. You want interesting? That's what you do with young children.
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I can't help but feel lucky to have met computers back in the 80's and to have spent my time using something "simple" like the C64 with BASIC and then moving up to PC's learning various languages and growing my interest more and more to then eventually be sat a linux workstation coding in Python for a living. Many of the ids I know through family no longer look at computers with the same sparkly or excitement of those early days.
I feel incredibly lucky to have got in at a point where I could experience relatively low spec & power computing and see it progress to the state it is today. I get the feeling that a lot of people getting into computers these days as kids don't get that sort of exposure and so don't get so bonded to learning about them. There was a good chance you could understand the schematic of a C64. Look at a die of a modern i7 and it's more modern art than anything that's going to make sense to a kid.
I definitely feel that in some way we lucked out in getting to experience computing the past 30 years.
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"The middle school years are critical for students in reaching conclusions regarding their own skills and aptitudes,"
Yes educators should make things understandable, yes we should make learning fun but there is a whole big nasty world of hungry people who would kill for the chance to "reach conclusions about their own skills...".
Where are the parents or schools telling students that engineering, maths and science can make the difference between having a job and not? Because at the end of the day those students need to get the cold hard fact: Do something useful and get paid, or hope somebody else will just give you a living. Presumably they don't expect to be hungry no matter what happens.
N.B. please reread the "Yes educators should make things understandable, yes we should make learning fun" line before replying.
I started programming BASIC when I was 10 (1985) and that is where I developed my love of programming. Sure, as a Java developer now, I know BASIC does little more than teach bad programming habits, but it was FUN and it helped me develop The Knack. There is plenty of time to learn proper OOPs methods later once you develop the interest to learn more about programming.
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You want Johnny to want to code, give him every advantage to get him wanting to code. He is paying attention to the long term when he's deciding where/for what he wants to go to college.
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Because all the johnnies who are smart enough to code... Also are smart enough to figure out THERES NO MONEY IN BEING A CODER!
Why teach people which don't want to learn?
Those which want to learn definitely can, it is not about the reward but about the activity itself which should create joy.
That is the problem with schools.
I Think the problem is that "Johnny" doesn't like programming. Why fix that?
The worst employee is a specialist that hates his specialty. He's only going to fight his way out of his job and defer to others. Why do you think there's usually more IT managers than Developers? :)
The poster made a mistake because of a homophone. Before you assume that he doesn't know the difference, consider that it may just be an honest mistake. I know the difference, for example, between "no" and "know", but when typing quickly, I might accidentally type the wrong one, and if I'm not careful, I won't go back and fix it. It doesn't mean I'm an idiot who doesn't know basic English. It just means I'm being careless. And for the commentary section on a second-rate news aggregator site, I don't think that's a big deal.
Been writing web applications for 15 years. Through 5 startups. Been outsourced twice, one time with the entire US team the week after closing an important B-round that we all worked really hard to land.
I have two kids. I've never suggested work in a technology field as a career choice for my own children. I'm glad they don't teach coding in schools, it's not good work. Coders are paid sh*t and used like toilet paper. All of our daily creativity and occasional brilliance ends up making the MBA pukes rich and rolling in blow.
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Since we are apparently in the business of making people do what we want them to do....
just make hot women want to mate with computer programmers.
That is all it will take. You will be up to your ears in computer programmers in no time.
It has been my experience that walking a student through making something simple will widen their eyes considerably. This usually means something like an easy game where they can visually see the results of their work. Games that can be modified easily are even better, because they -will- play with the code and try to improve it for their own tastes.
On the other hand, teaching them to write a linked list is mind-numbingly boring for someone who can't imagine why they'd want such a thing.
Getting people interested in programmer is mostly about giving them the right exposure at the start.
This course sounds like it at least is headed the right direction.
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Always looking for things to motivate my young aspiring computer-game-designer offspring. When I was their age (8) I wasn't really exposed to computers all that much, but did already have exposure to Logo. Any good sites online that might provide some experience similar to that? The only one I know of is Lightbot.
The wife and kids are heavily into Minecraft at the moment, and I'm hoping to get them into building more redstone circuits. (unfortunately, minecrafwiki's realstone circuits seem to be down at the moment). I'm pretty tickled by the whole concept of constructing complex circuits the size of buildings out of basic NOT-gate building blocks, which has kinda been a running joke in IC logic design classes forever.
What are other good programming games / intros to expose them to?
You'll be disappointed to hear that there are a lot of "average" or "normal" people writing code in the industry. You're not an exceptional snowflake because you can write code. People don't use Linux because there's no incentive to move - Windows is a pain in the ass for anybody who wants customizability and programmability, but well supported and relatively easy to use for the average consumer. Linux is a pain in the ass with uneven support and uneven ease of use. That's a step backwards for people who aren't predisposed to spending hours dicking around with their computers and learning how to program.
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I've been touch typing since I took typing in high school. And I know the diff between write/right, to/too/two, your/you're, its/it's, etc.
With muscle memory and/or the lizard brain running things when I'm typing quickly, I've had plenty of instances when I thought one word but the other came out of my fingertips. This is often compounded by physiological issues with the speed at which the messages travel from brain to the different fingers and it's very common for me to type, e.g., suod instead of sudo.
Since I know this happens I make a point to check, and even so I still miss some. I wonder how many are in this message.
just like normal people aren't clever enough to use Linux (hence it's low market share)
Uhm... try that one again.
Most people don't use Linux because:
- The support for it is limited to forums where you never get actual help, but instead a bunch of ass-hats who shout back "RTFM LAMZOR" and similar insults at you. If you write in to a bug report forum or a feature request to some bit of software, someone screaming "the beauty of it is its linux so you can fix it yourself so go fix it yourself and post the fix noob" is not comforting or likely to make you stick around.
- Most of the programs they are looking to run, don't run on Linux (games industry, sadly, used to be a lot better but has backslid over the years considerably).
- The "open source alternatives" to many of the programs they run, have problems with shifting crap around on them for poorly documented reasons.
- You don't just "switch to linux." You have to pick one of a gazillion discordant distros, or else fuck around trying out every goddamn one for six months to settle on the one you like and HOPE that it remains updated and supported thereafter. And that they don't fuck with you in the next release, like Ubuntu just did forcing this crap "Unity" interface. And that the architecture for your particular distro isn't rewritten in some bizarre-ass fucking arcane way that causes your particular hardware to break on the "standard linux driver"... presuming one even exists.
I won't say that there aren't very intelligent people using Linux - there obviously are. But it has become very obvious to me over the past 15 years that the people programming Linux, the people designing interfaces for Linux, and the people evangelizing Linux, have absolutely no goddamn fucking clue what a normal desktop user wants, needs, or what will appeal to same. I refer you to this insightful post from someone who also has spent plenty of time with Linux as well.
I'm happy Johnny can't code, means I can keep my job and the market doesn't get flooded with yet *more* crappy code.
We don't need more programmers, we need to treat the ones we already have better.
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In other words, start off students with easy wins and clear syntax (like Ruby). Don't make them spend hours debugging pointer bugs (C/C++). There's plenty of time for that later. First get them hooked on creating. That's where the fun in programming is... making something new that actually works. I suspect most of us remember the first time we wrote a program that actually did something. That's the high, the rush, that we want potential programmers to feel. How easy can we make it get their first hit?
How can we do this instead of depending on their internal motivation? I'm sure we'll rope in a few that don't have the chops for it, but I bet we'll find a lot more who do but never considered the field because the barriers to entry were too high.
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Game programming is not like most "real" programming - it's designed differently, implemented differently, and fundamentally just differs. Game programming is full of coding in the exceptional cases - run doMainBattleLoop(), unless you're in a boss battle and in a round less than 4, when you should run doBossBanterBattleLoop(), unless you're in a battle with Boss X and it isn't the final one, when you should add a branch to the end to call doBossRunawayScene() instead of doBattleEndScene(), but if it's the actual last battle, jump to doBattleEndSceneFinal(), then call doCreditsMinigameLoop() after expanding backgroundMusicBuffer from 10 minutes to 20 so it doesn't crash while loading that big long ending song the music guy wrote...
Not to mention the language issues. I'm willing to bet the school's using UE3. That engine does a lot of game stuff (weapons code, broad AI coding, etc.) in a proprietary "UnrealScript" - similar in syntax to JavaScript, but with a completely different DOM model, and with a lot of added functions.
All this is going to do is teach students bad coding and bad game design.
Didn't you hear? Borders and B&N won't exist in 10 years once EBooks and E-Readers take over.
While I hate to jump to the defense of the masses, this is ridiculous. Normal people are certainly "clever enough" to use Linux. Lots of people on here, I'm sure, have wives or parents who use Linux; my wife does. It's no harder than using Windows, and in a lot of ways is quite a bit easier. Of course, as with the others with Linux-using relatives, I have to be the IT support person, but that's no different from Windows for most people: they outsource their IT support to either their kid, their nephew, or Geek Squad (I see them driving to peoples' homes in subdivisions here all the time) or some other "computer repair" business. Luckily, Linux doesn't have problems nearly as much as Windows, but things happen sometimes, or they need help finding a certain application to do something.
Now granted, these Linux users aren't working at the command line, writing bash or Perl scripts, and certainly not full-blown C++ applications, nor are they compiling their own kernel. But they're still using Linux, even if all they do is use Firefox and OpenOffice/LibreOffice.
As for kids doing programming, you're half right. It's not that they aren't clever enough: most programming really isn't that hard, and anyone with half a brain who applies themselves can write simple programs in Java or Perl or Python or whatever if they really want to. But just like doing automotive repair work or woodworking, you have to want to do it, and take time to learn it. Most people aren't interested, and would rather take their car to a mechanic, buy their furniture pre-made (even if it is shitty particle board with fake-looking veneer), or buy a pre-made application or hire someone to do something custom (or just do without).
Just like other professions, programming takes a lot of time to learn and master, and even more time to keep up with because it's constantly changing (e.g., 5 years ago Perl was still pretty popular, but these days everyone seems to be using Python for that stuff now, and only the diehard Perl fans still use it; C++ just released a totally new revision with all kinds of changes). The big question is: why is there SO much of a push by educators to get kids to take up programming? Why not push them to take up auto mechanics, so they can fix their own cars and save money? Why not push them to learn woodworking, which they used to do decades ago in schools? Why not push them to learn about law, since we can never have enough lawyers (sarc.)? It's probably because there's a bunch of tech companies in this country that want a larger pool of workers so they can pay less. The worst part is that they're trying to get these poor kids interested in programming games. Everyone here should know by know how bad the working conditions are at EA and the other game makers, because they rely on a constant stream of bright-eyed college grads who are all excited by being a "games programmer" that they can take advantage of and overwork until they're totally burned out; it's absolutely the worst part of the software field. I'm sure they never tell these schoolkids about this.
Two factors:
1. Johnny, via the internet, has FAR too many distractions these days. In my day (get off of my lawn) getting the latest game involved sneaker net (which, where I was living had a pretty low bandwidth) and often cracking it (or applying a known crack) yourself, so some intimacy with the machine was involved. Johnny doesn't HAVE to know anything about the computer to get the latest and greatest game up and running on it. There's also Johnny's PS3, his Xbox 360, his DS, the 250 channels of cable, etc. that make it hard to devote a lot of time to a single device. We had 4 channels (the new-fangled Fox network!) and a NES with three carts.
2. Johnny's world involves computers that are FAR more complex than the computers of my era. A C64 or an Apple II (or 8088) is much more accessible and easier to learn than a modern i7 system. Even if Johnny wanted to learn how to program, the fundamentals are much more difficult to grasp on a modern system than on an 8-bit system.
I'm forty, by the way. I remember asking my dad to buy me a game when I was about 12 or 13. He didn't, but two weeks later a package arrived from some store undoubtedly found in the back of Computer Shopper. He opened it up, pulled out a copy of Turbo Pascal, handed it to me and said, "Here...you can write your own games with this." ...and I did. It was probably the most brilliant parenting move he made in his entire career. )
The will always need good "computer scientists" who can look at a design and see the defects before any coding is done to save the company $$$ and time getting to market.
No they don't. Have you seen the quality of commercial software these days? Especially "enterprise" software? It costs a fortune and is total crap. Yet the companies that make it make money hand over fist from their business customers. What do they need good computer scientists for? If they're making this much money from clueless customers with crap code, then I doubt they'll get much return on their investment by hiring better (and more expensive) people to do it better.
Sigh. Yet another project that took the money from the people, and took away the results from the people. That's rediculous. If "we the people" paid for research, then "we the people" should get the result. It should be a rule that all government-funded research software must be released as open source software (unless it's classified or for some other reason can't be released to the public in any form)... at least by default. If someone wants to develop proprietary software, then they should be investing their own money, not taking mine. Why am I not getting what I paid for?
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This is just one of many examples of how many educational methods in general have fallen behind the times, so I applaud them for trying to fix it. This problem actually shows up in college, and even grad school (I'll attest to first-hand), though obviously in different ways than in grade school. I long for the day when educational systems take a more proactive attitude toward addressing this problem, and take more responsibility towards preparing their students for the "here and now".
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You're right about Johnny not liking programming. That's what TFA is pointing out. Why fix it? Because you're never going to fill the gap between the low number of able programmers and the need for them if you don't entice kids into the field. How can you expect to engage middle and high-schoolers in programming if you stick to theory. Let them figure out they hate it in college, that's what it's there for.
Young kids probably picture Milton and his stapler when they think of computer science. How can we possibly expect to attract anybody with that image, even the ones who can program but don't know it yet?
Get rid of the means for business to send work offshore or to make work less secure, and that can change for the better.
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Care to point out any time in history when trolltalk.com ran even one paid advertisement?
Hint - you can pick from these three: never, null, and zero.
You still haven't explained how people giving away their GPL'd code is greedy (which is the accusation you made elsewhere, that by doing so on trolltalk I'm a greedy advertiser - webmistress Rachel completely trolled you on that, and you took the bait :-).
YHBT. Again! Sucker! Why don't you just stick slashdot in your precious hosts file and make the Interwebs safer for yourself?
When I learnt how to program I couldn't see any other use for it except to make games. And soon as I had the opportunity I went for it. Now of course I am a little more knowledgeable. I have a few friends who are working for some huge banks doing java code and earning buckets of monies, another few in web development and a few others scattered here and there but im pretty happy to be a Game programmer. Its not the best way to learn but it might be the best way to get one interested in programming.
On topic, I would like to see if people who arent good at math also cant code.
Why bother with the fundamentals when someone else has already done them? I can just use a library I found on the Internet.
What I've encountered is that one ends up with 'software' that's a bunch of not-well-understood third-party pieces cobbled together that works under ideal circumstances. In my estimation developers must have:
Once upon a time computers were invented to solve serious, difficult problems.
Today they are toys to fill up our empty hours.
Or sales platforms.
How do you spell iPad?
It is my opinion that the dot com bubble bursting, offshoring, and the equation of salary vs hours worked + stress is why people do not pursue programming as a profession.
So it seems it is not that people can't code, it is that there is no motivation to do it as a career.
Hobbyist programmers, or those that do it 'on the side' to their regular career (I am assuming many that participate in open source or linux-based software) will be able to code, but that they will not be counted as a full-time coder.
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
I think that a combination of a lack of available resources and late introduction to all things coding are responsible. We have the technology, we just don't have it in the classrooms everywhere. Perhaps due to lack of budget or adherence to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", the curriculum hasn't quite arrived yet. It can be tough finding the right instructors, teaching style and materials (including facilities and hardware) for the job of educating those interested. Yes it's true that there can be those students who get 'suckered in' to liking programming but then discovering that's not what they want to do, but I think that a late introduction to tech fields such as programming in grade school is at least partially to blame for that. But hey, there's a new CS Principles course in pilot thanks to CollegeBoard. Perhaps not all hope is lost. :)
The more you know, the more you have to say and the more you should listen.
Kids don't want to program mostly due to the huge amount of offshoring/layings-off that occurred about oh ten years ago.
It's only colleges that want to sell this shit to students--and the students know that it is largely rotten fish. For every US student who graduates with any kind of CIS degree, there's a half-dozen B1B visas who will work for less.
If the people who run universities were half as smart as they think they are, they'd have come out against B1B visa hiring and offshoring a long time ago.
There, FTFY.
Wow, I don't know tomhudson, but I sure would like to sign up for his newsletter if it enrages Alexander Peter Kowalski (an infamous malware author and internet troll) this much.
Bravo, Tom. BRAVO.
The check is in the mail.
Actually, I consider myself quite a good coder.
- Johnny
Kids are smart, it's just that like most people in general, most of them are selfish and lazy. Why waste your time being a nerd learning productive skills and a good work ethic in a STEM field while not getting laid and receiving little pay and praise.
No, what Johnny has realized is that society better rewards people who spend their youth partying and having lots of sex, then getting an MBA and getting a highly paid job listening to powerpoint presentations, making bad decisions then blaming them on the engineers beneath you.
The company employs 100 desk jockeys for every engineer, 9 out of 10 engineers are on work visas, and all the support staff is in India. The part of the company that's IN America produces 95% lip service, 5% product and no one can figure out why our economy is tanking.
Did you think this circus was going to sustain itself forever?
Answer it yes, or no. We know you do adbanners already, and you aren't answering if that pays you or rather is supposed to. Hence why you stalked & trolled apk by ac replies and told others to do so regarding HOSTS files, and Your own words show that much, no denying that.
Webmistress Rachel trolled you, and you, being the idiot you are, fell for it rather than check out the site.
Why not make life easy for yourself, and put slashdot in your stupid APK HOSTS FILE, and make the internet safe from idiots like yourself, who couldn't buy a clue if they were free?
Or you can explain how giving away my own GPL'd code makes me "greedy", like you accused me of being elsewhere.
How does it feel setting yourself up as the fool yet again? YHBT. Suck it up, fat boy (yes, APK is obese. He claims to have grown several inches in his 30's so that he's not overweight any more, but unless he spent a couple of years on the space station, that's just another fat lie).
It just doesn't matter why Johnny can't code: by the time Johnny grows up, our corporate masters will have off-shored every programming job in the U.S.
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
Bravo? For tomhudson ac reply stalking n trolling apk?
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
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Bravo (not).
Except that Jina only is coding because of anti-US fraud that works in her favor.
Sounds like you don't want a US citizen until they've been beat down to a level of world subservience. Another point to add - you weren't paying attention that we're not asking about Jina, just Johnny.
We need less of you, less of Jina, and to give every advantage to Johnny.
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College needs to change for the times start by cutting down on the filler classes.
Cut back on the math some CS programs have to much of it.
Some of the classes are to much theory based others are all about the test (some you can just cram for the test and pass with people who are good with working with if but are bad at tests failing) others are very hands on.
We need mixed tech school / apprenticeships for CS and IT.
AgentSheets combines a graphical, drag-and-drop user interface with a rule-based programming language to allow students to develop games and interactive applications of surprising sophistication. Projects built with AgentSheets incorporate not just code but images, sounds, and other multimedia.
Haven't we seen software like this many times before? Examples include (but are not limited to): Alice, the old GUI used to program Lego Mindstorms, and Labview. If those didn't "take off" in terms of generating interest in programming and computer science, why should we expect this one to be any different?
Yes or no. Answer that. We know you ac stalk & troll already:
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
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"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
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Anyway, ...back to your argument:
I love linux, but I never^H^H^H^H^Hrarely recommend it.
If you like Windows...USE it. Why would you go to Linux? I tell people Linux is harder to use, flat out.
And then people either shutup about it...or they ask me WHY I use it. Oh, then it gets interesting. I explain, that, for a programmer, Linux represents probably the best choice as a platform. Endless programming language, databases, web servers, browsers, etc. More tools I can shake a stick at. All free!
But most people aren't interested in that. Like you pointed out, they want to run Microsoft Office, play games, etc. That's fine, run Windows.
So, we'll never have a Linux desktop? Cough. Most people have USED linux at one point or another. How many appliances use linux? How many tablets, smart phones, routers, etc are using it? People use it all the time....but it's not a Linux "Desktop"
The reason for that is simple. A Desktop for people is "Running Microsoft Office, playing games, etc."
Linux is bigger than that.
Its not the tool, but how its taught. I had a lot of math from HS through college. A bad teacher could make me bored with a subject I was already interested in and a good teacher could motivate me in something I had thought to be boring.
Be a better teacher. Don't fret over the tools (the wand so to speak).
When I was back in grade-school and high-school, I was interested in coding. (Heck, back then, you pretty much HAD to be, since that came as part of the deal when you bought a new computer. You learned BASIC and started keying in programs from listings published in books of "50 great computer programs for your Timex Sinclair 1000" or whatever you were using, and kind of went from there. The owners' manual packaged with whatever computer you bought included a complete programming reference for it. It was just assumed that you were going to be inputting some code to make the computer do things, or else you wouldn't have bought it in the first place!)
As time passed and things progressed, though, I got sidetracked by the ever-increasing complexity of software people were making and distributing. It became a career path of its own just to learn to USE the stuff other people made, vs. writing your own code. Half the time, I couldn't even think of anything possible to write that hadn't already been done by somebody else -- and I didn't have much motivation to re-invent the wheel.
By the time I took another serious look at writing some code, so much had changed, I realized I had NO useful talents in that area anymore. Nobody coded in BASIC anymore .... years of knowledge and experience right out the proverbial window there. (In fact, I was repeatedly told that knowing BASIC was a DETRIMENT to being a good programmer, since it encouraged lots of "bad programming techniques" that were best avoided.) I took a stab at learning "C" in college, until I became completely disenchanted and befuddled by it. (No clean English-like syntax to be seen? All this mental gymnastics required to master recursion and keeping track of pointers to variables and such? Ick! Bleah!)
Since then, I've watched numerous languages come into vogue and vanish back into obscurity ... and all in all, I think I'm pretty happy I stayed away from it. I'm pretty good at the hardware side of things and at doing support and network administration. It's more my "calling" than the software development side of things. I can put together a batch file when I need to, and decipher command line parameters -- and that gets me by just fine.
Part of me hopes my kid will take an interest in learning to code, because she didn't have to grow up with all this useless "legacy knowledge" that I had, and maybe she'll be fine using the latest and greatest languages and compilers. But so far, she loves the computer while not seeming to care a bit about creating her own new content for it. (She likes limited things like changing the clothing on an avatar in a game or decorating up her igloo in "Club Penguin" -- but doesn't even go so far as to like games like "Little Big Planet" that center on world building.)
At the end of the day, I'm just not sure too many kids today can get TOO excited about things like "coding their own game", when everything they've been exposed to is such a big production. People don't generally sit down and write their own game title from start to finish by themselves anymore. It's more like a movie, with art directors and musicians and code QA testers, script-writers, etc. etc. I wonder how many folks working at a company like EA even have much of an idea what a title will turn out like as they're paid to code their little component of it every day?
This....
I'm not a technophobe. I've used computers since I was 12 (I'm 39 now). I prefer a command line over a GUI for a lot of activities. I can build a computer from the ground up. I can write complex programs in multiple languages.
And I don't use Linux because.....my apps all work in Windows (even the foss versions cater to Windows to gain an audience) and no one has yet to build a list of "this distro is best for you because of feature X" list.
I don't see any adbanners at that site. Care to provide screenshots or links to your evidence?
Or should we assume you're just a dissociative psychotic who bumps up your own importance by simulating a "crowd" who rabble-rabble-rabbles alongside you but curiously shares the same apparent brain damage when it comes to typing out comments, Mr. Kowalski?
The local Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI) in July will be having a new gaming exhibit that covers games from Donkey Kong to Gran Turismo, and will be having actual game developers on site for discussions. It seems to me that someone is pulling strings in the right direction to get a younger audience motivated towards the learning aspect of what they already devote so much of their time to. I for one will be taking my young kids (3 and 6) to OMSI to experience this exhibit. I feel it is a little less archaic than the seasonal "Dinosaur" exhibits of the past.
I think you've taken the analogy and extended it improperly. What if woodworking were like programming?
We'd have a circular saw that never broke down, that was designed over 50 years ago, but that takes a journeyman carpenter a year to learn how to use (Lisp). We'd have another design that takes about the same ammount of time to learn, cuts through lumber 10 times as fast, but occassionally blows up and takes off the arms of novices (C). Then we'd have a whole bunch of slow saws imported from China that have to be serviced every other week, and tend to break down every other day. Wait, I haven't told you the best part. When you go out on one jobsite, you have to use a particular saw. Houses in the Web Districts have banned C-saws because they assume they're unsafe despite the fact that somebody invented a safety shield for them. Other job sites have arbitrarily committed you to a particular saw because once their carpenters are trained on it it's hard to switch. Also, the saws make cuts such that wood can't be joined properly if it was cut with a different saw. The only way to fix that problem is to bring in a nail and glue consultant who charges 3 times what a regular carpenter does.
Now, how's that for a coding analogy?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I coded for years as a hobby. Quit because I became worried that I would somehow step on someones software patent by accident. Just not worth the trouble for a hobby.
Nothing remains as constant as change.
I wonder how many are in this message.
None. The punctuation's iffy, but no typos.
Not good engough to say X is bad and then don't bother to explain what is wrong. How are things going to get better otherwise?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino
Arduino is an open-source single-board microcontroller, descendant of the open-source Wiring platform,[1][2] designed to make the process of using electronics in multidisciplinary projects more accessible. The hardware consists of a simple open hardware design for the Arduino board with an Atmel AVR processor and on-board I/O support. The software consists of a standard programming language compiler and the boot loader that runs on the board.
We don't need more programmers. It's for the good of the public that we nurture the programmers we already have.
Normal people aren't clever enough to program, just like normal people aren't clever enough to use Linux (hence it's low market share). If kids aren't interested in programming, its because they aren't clever enough and don't have the spark - in which case we can just let them join the rest of the hurd and do mundane 9-5 job for the masses, its all they can imagine doing anyway.
I'm a Computer Scientist (official name of my position) in an engineering shop, and there are a bunch of *very* smart Engineers who can't code (otherwise why would they need me?). Coding is a skill, not an attribute.
Hey Fatbody Kowalski, why don't you shut up? Or at least take your fucking meds? Jesus you're fucking boring.
Oh, and "4chan is talking about tom, countertrolling, et al.?" (from one of your linked rants) - Not in the least. I don't think I've ever seen a mention of slashdot there, much less specific users.
Though I bet you'd shit brix if you got doxed, wouldn't you?
We need a lot of programmers (2 year tech degree) and a few computer scientists (4 year degree and beyond).
A "good" programmer just needs to be able to hit the write keys to implement someone else's design. That's why we hire the young kids willing to do the job for the least amount of money. Old programmers are future Borders employees.
Wrong. Absolutely Wrong.
For starters, Computer Science is only good if you want to stay in the theoretical - e.g. doctoral work. For anything else (e.g. a real job) it's a joke and useless as it does not have the balance between theory and pragmatics that is really necessary to succeed in the field. I never recommend CS to anyone that wants to actually do something outside of Academics - I only recommend Computer Engineering and Software Engineering degrees for people that want real jobs.
Second, as otherwise noted, "blind" programmers are useless. They need to be able to understand what they are working on to do it right - and that means they really need a Computer Engineering/Software Engineering degree.
However, to get kids interested in going for Computer Science/Computer Engineering/Software Engineering then the high school programming classes need to inspire the kids - create something that "scratches their itch" and helps them solve the problem - create a competitive environment between the students - so the class is not so much strict adherence to solving the problem, but also how one does it - the presentation, the user interface, etc; with strict adherence being the minimum required (e.g. a C+/B- grade).
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
I admit I haven't coded in years, and never done java or scripting or whatever. So it's either I spend some years in computer classes or years muddling through whatever scraps of stuff out there. There are books but they immediately jump into all kinds of options and various things. What I hate are examples of "hello world" and how easy it is to write the source but there is nothing about compiling (kind of like teaching someone to skydive but you don't provide a jump plane).
This reminds me about learning networks, there are no books except those written in the 1990s (with lots of pages discussing thinnet vs. thicknet), virtually all webpages are basically aggregates of some shallow discussion but you are blasted with ads.
What I think is needed is something basic that can get people started, and they can then decide if that is what they want to do or not. I use an example of a ballroom dance studio has beginner specials. You are taught basic (very basic) waltz,foxtrot, tango,rumba,cha-cha,swing skills enough to get you on the dance floor so you can experience the activity. Now if you want to master then that will take considerable more training. You don't start beginners with intent to train them to compete as open pros.
mfwright@batnet.com
A little off topic, but my mind is stuck with this thought:
How many people use an Office software product? Billions+
How many people use an Operating System? Everyone with a PC, Billions+
How many people use a web browser? Billions+
Now
How many actual programmers (not including support staff, mgmt and such) does it take to write and maintain an office program suite, or single program, or web site? Perhaps 100 developers? Maybe even less, say 25? 10?
So, why would Johnny want to code?
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
The only way those offshore coders get a chance is through fraud. Our worst are better - and we don't make them suffer Third World conditions.
The odds are in the US's favor that there'll be a good one. Get rid of the fraud that seems to always accompany offshoring, and Johnny will code.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Then remove offshoring and all the fraud/waste it brings. Not only does it allow our programmers(and anyone else) to thrive in an honest environment, it would have the side effect of bringing in new ones that see actual opportunity.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Why do adbanners then tom? Doesn't make sense. Do you earn any money at all from trolltalk.com or is it just a useless waste of your time?? I don't think you're telling the truth. It would make no sense to have adbanners.
Pretty sure it'll be sooner than 10 years.
http://write2publish.blogspot.com/2011/05/ebook-vs-print-book-sales.html
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
http://patapata.sourceforge.net/WhyEducationalTechnologyHasFailedSchools.html ... So, there is more to the story of technology than it failing in schools. Modern information and manufacturing technology itself is giving compulsory schools a failing grade. Compulsory schools do not pass in the information age. They are no longer needed. What remains is just to watch this all play out, and hopefully guide the collapse of compulsory schooling so that the fewest people get hurt in the process."
"Ultimately, educational technology's greatest value is in supporting "learning on demand" based on interest or need which is at the opposite end of the spectrum compared to "learning just in case" based on someone else's demand. Compulsory schools don't usually traffic in "learning on demand", for the most part leaving that kind of activity to libraries or museums or the home or business or the "real world". In order for compulsory schools to make use of the best of educational technology and what is has to
offer, schools themselves must change.
I wrote that essay after working towards some FOSS tools to make it easier for kids to get into programming.
Also related:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/16a.htm
"I'll bring this down to earth. Try to see that an intricately subordinated industrial/commercial system has only limited use for hundreds of millions of self-reliant, resourceful readers and critical thinkers. In an egalitarian, entrepreneurially based economy of confederated families like the one the Amish have or the Mondragon folk in the Basque region of Spain, any number of self-reliant people can be accommodated usefully, but not in a concentrated command-type economy like our own. Where on earth would they fit? In a great fanfare of moral fervor some years back, the Ford Motor Company opened the world's most productive auto engine plant in Chihuahua, Mexico. It insisted on hiring employees with 50 percent more school training than the Mexican norm of six years, but as time passed Ford removed its requirements and began to hire school dropouts, training them quite well in four to twelve weeks. The hype that education is essential to robot-like work was quietly abandoned. Our economy has no adequate outlet of expression for its artists, dancers, poets, painters, farmers, filmmakers, wildcat business people, handcraft workers, whiskey makers, intellectuals, or a thousand other useful human enterprises -- no outlet except corporate work or fringe slots on the periphery of things. Unless you do "creative" work the company way, you run afoul of a host of laws and regulations put on the books to control the dangerous products of imagination which can never be safely tolerated by a centralized command system."
And, speaking as someone who has been using computers for thirty years, and while thinking everyone should ideally have a baisc computer literacy to be an informed citizen, how many programmers does the world really need? Kids are smart. They know there are fewer and fewer "good" jobs in technology for all sorts of reasons.
http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~dg/crunch_art.html
http://community.dice.com/t5/Tech-Market-Conditions/Alice-Dice-s-claim-of-4-Unemployment/td-p/235866
From:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4209831/Engineering--The-next-generation
"We often hear from readers who are engineers that they try to dissuade sons and daught
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
I want to jump through my TV and strangle every CEO that says our country (USA) is falling behind in engineering and science, and that colleges must produce more engineers and scientists.
What CEOs want is an oversupply of engineers and scientists, that way you can work them to death 80 hours a week for $40,000 a year, and throw them away when you are done with them.
Mike Rowe says that we are also lacking skilled tradesman in this country. I have a hard time believing that with 9% unemployment, housing market in the toilet and new construction levels also in the toilet that none of those 9% would learn a trade in one of these short-handed fields.
The reality is that we have a shortage of people with skills that are willing to work FOR SLAVE WAGES. Employers can not expect to get highly skilled workers in exchange for near minimum wages.
There is one RELIABLE way to get more of something - pay for it. Start raising wages in short-handed fields, and in less than 10 years, you will have a glut of people in that field. You don't even need to go back in history that far for proof - just look a the dot com boom in the early 90s. This programmer "shortage" is a result of that employment bubble.
-ted
Why should business get the complete favor, instead of letting them trample on everyone?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Programming is a talent like portrait painting some people have it some people don't
They see the value in it, and decided it is not worth it.
They sell crap software, then charge maintenance fees or require upgrades to get software that fixes the bugs.
Sometimes maintenance or upgrade fees are valid where is includes support, or the platform changes (ie. new versions of OS, or tax code changes, etc.).
I object to having to pay support to report a vendor's bugs to them.
Fight Spammers!
Why do adbanners if not paid 4 em? Makes no sense. I don't think tomhudson tells the truth. Does tomhudson earn any money at all from trolltalk.com or is it just a useless waste of tomhudson's time?? tomhudson's reactions alone with stalking and trolling telling others to do so is lame, but the adhominem attacks in his replies only show the rest.
Why let the lobbyists win? If the lobbyists are hurting, twist the knife even more. If they go offshore, our military and intelligence departments can handle that easily. The idea is that if they play hardball, you have to take it one step higher.
Turn up the pain on business, even if it means that the lobbyists cry out. When they stop crying out and actually want to not obliterate the US, continue a bit more. Then stop when they have no strength to do anything against the US.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Why should business get to demand more when workers can't?
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I recently went through a related exercise with my daughter. I showed her ponycorns because it's exactly the kind of game she already likes. She got the idea that we could create a game too, since I'm also a programmer and she's a whole two years older than Sissy. At that age I'm not about to teach her actual programming, but I thought it might be a good way for her to see the creative process at a higher level - plus we'd end up with something that she could enjoy and show off to her friends. We had a lot of fun with her drawing the characters which I then turned into sprites, and recording audio, and brainstorming about what puzzles would be in the game. Now the effort has stalled, mostly for lack of a decent framework. I mean, all we need is basic point-and-click stuff, maybe even an inventory and stuff like that, but it would sure be nice to have the characters actually *move* smoothly from one place to another instead of just disappearing from one place and appearing in another. Oh, it would be extra nice to have something open source, or at least runnable on Linux. I looked at dozens of frameworks that I found on http://www.ambrosine.com/resource.html and elsewhere, and very few could meet those simple requirements without getting into full-out 2D suitable for side-scrollers and platformers - meaning that they're way more complicated than I need and generally don't "scale down" to the simpler stuff very well. I tried Adventure Maker but quickly ran into its limitations even with a project as simple as this. I might try GameMaker next, even though it's also Windows-centric (I can use my wife's machine if I have to), because the other offerings out there seem so incredibly thin.
The point is not that I personally need help finding a tool with which to make this particular game - though suggestions would certainly be welcome. The problem is that the "state of play" is just so incredibly piss-poor overall. Forget about finding something that even an older child could use *themselves* to create a game that doesn't totally suck. It's hard enough to find something that a *professional programmer* (albeit not a game programmer like Sissy's dad) can stand to work with long enough to get such a result. Something just good enough to let parents and kids put together a simple adventure/puzzle game on par with ponycorns, to give them something that's fun and that just barely hints at what you can do if you can program, would go a long way toward making them want to learn more. As far as I can tell, such a thing doesn't exist.
Slashdot - News for Herds. Stuff that Splatters.
Adbanners can be removed, even temporarily, quickly to try fool others. tomhudson was asked if he made money on trolltalk.com at all. I read where webmistressrachel.com said tomhudson does adbanners here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394 on trolltalk.com so something's not making sense. If tomhudson codes it he could reload it without adbanners easily in seconds. That's a way he could be fooling you, think about it.
. But it has become very obvious to me over the past 15 years that the people programming Linux, the people designing interfaces for Linux, and the people evangelizing Linux, have absolutely no goddamn fucking clue what a normal desktop user wants, needs, or what will appeal to same.
And thank the FSM for that. I was forced to use an OSX laptop not to long ago and it was a nightmare. The mouse and keyboard default speeds were set at retard slow, it did not support my Model M very well at all. It did not seem to support my extra mouse buttons, find anything was a pain in the ass, its terminal does not support tabs, and I did not bother trying to find out how to enable focus follows mouse which is a must have. Even worse the terminal does not close when you exit it, you have to use the mouse to click the window close button like an ape.
Care to provide a link to a screenshot showing these adbanners, Fatboy (aka Alexander Peter Kowalski, aka APK)?
As far as I can see, they don't exist.
As posted before: Show us the screenshots proving it used to have adbanners. But you ran and hid instead of providing evidence to back up your claims - because you can't.
tomhudson won't answer if he makes money @ trolltalk? That was the question he was asked. It's odd that webmistressrachel says tomhudson has adbanners on trolltalk here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542610 so what's the point of having adbanners if you're not making money? What's the point of making a CMS software if you're not being paid for the site you made it for?? No, tomhudson's b.s.'ing again and since he runs it, he could pull adbanners temporarily to fool you.
He can pull adbanners in seconds to fool anyone. Why run a website with adbanners if you're not being paid? Why run a CMS Software site at all if you're not making monies on it and at least PR'ing it using adbanners to again, be paid. webmistressrachel said there are adverts there for tomhudson here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542610 No it looks like tomhudson's trapped in lies again.
tomhudson could have pulled those in seconds to fool you. Use your brain. tomhudson runs trolltalk.com. I do see that tomhudson likes to stalk and troll others by ac replies though from his own words. He should call it trollStalk.com, hahaha. See below:
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
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"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
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Well, at least it's like that where I live.
See, ages ago, we had kids being taught LOGO and BASIC. That worked splendidly. Write some stuff, see a turtle draw, or make an infinite '10 print "hello": 20 goto 10' loop.
Then came along Pascal, usually in high school, although it wasn't unheard of to see it in the final levels of elementary school. It was a bit more of a nuisance, with all the begins and ends, and the semicolons too, but it was still somewhat manageable for the kids.
But then someone had a serious brainfart and decided that kids be "taught" C and even C++. Suddenly there were all these strange symbols ("teacher, why is 'and' called '&&' here and why and how is '&&' different than '&'?") and stdio.h includes and god damn pointers, which extremely few children managed to grasp because they had no idea how memory and processors work. No, they were supposed to learn what a keyboard is, then how to translate a number into binary/hexadecimal and back, and then they were immediately thrown into curly braces and pointer hell.
I have no idea what it's like in the USA, but over here it fucked up everything. If you make it hard for the kids and drown them in hardcore idiocy to the point of them being sickened by IT classes, then you can't expect that they learn how to code.
Me? I started with BASIC on the ZX Spectrum in the early eighties. Had the Speccy had something more difficult, I'd have been a librarian right now.
Bovine Scatology (that's B.S. for short).
I have a part-time job working with kids between 6th grade and 8th grade, and I'm continually amazed at how clever and intelligent every single one of them can be...if you can find a way to motivate them to make the effort. I also used to work as a flight instructor, so I have first-hand experience teaching, too. I've had students that I was certain were either deliberately trying to kill me in the airplane or else were so uncoordinated that they would never be able to fly. One of those students ended up becoming one of my best students, once I figured out how to communicate flying concepts to him in a way he could understand.
Saying "normal people aren't clever enough to program" is a cop out. If a teacher can't motivate the student to make the effort to learn to program or can't communicate in a variety of styles so that people of all learning types can get that "Aha!" moment when it finally begins to make sense, it's a failure of the teacher. Here's a tip for you, though: if you're so insecure that the thought of "the masses" learning to code scares you, then you probably aren't one of the top 10%, either.
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
What TFA is stating is nice and all, but until you can get hiring managers, recruiters and other HR types to stop recruiting solely on the latest buzzwords you'll have this problem.
Even though you may not have programmed Java or C# in a professional environment, doesn't mean that you are not qualified. You may have plenty of exp. in other languages and the mental capacity to solve problems. The syntax is the easy part. May non-techie/manager types fail to understand this.
Right here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394 from webmistressrachel, tomhudson's fellow trolltalk.com friend.
You're also overlooking the fact that tomhudson codes and runs trolltalk.com.
Others here say they see no adbanners there now "suddenly" (lol, not):
Despite webmistressrachel's statements in the URL above stating the domain's used for adbanner serving for tomhudson's CMS site. Makes no sense to have adbanners if you're not being paid, or at least to pr a website you get paid for, even if indirectly.
* There you go.
I'm not running anywhere - I'm right here standing my ground, because tomhudson stalked & trolled me with his trolltalk.com pals here for a yearby ac trolling/stalking replies.
Don't believe it? Ok see this - Tomhudson said it himself, quoted:
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#2
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
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#3
"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
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Let tomhudson speak for himself on THAT account...
APK
P.S.=> I'd like to know WHY tomhudson even has a website with CMS software if he's not making any $ from it, and why float adbanners if you don't? No, like was said here already? Tomhudson's up to his old tricks again... lol! apk
Normal people aren't clever enough to program, just like normal people aren't clever enough to use Linux (hence it's low market share). If kids aren't interested in programming, its because they aren't clever enough and don't have the spark - in which case we can just let them join the rest of the hurd and do mundane 9-5 job for the masses, its all they can imagine doing anyway.
You could not be more out of touch. The reason for the low marketshare is the the lack of applications and games. Fragmentation of the linux platform is what causes this lack of software. If everyone could agree on a linux base set of libraries including audio subsystems and one common default GUI toolkit then you would see higher adoption by developers outside of the "open source' community. The lack of programs like Adobe photoshop keeps end users from even considering it as a platform for everyday use.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Schools won't bother to teach coding until someone puts it on the state assessment test. Until then, coding will be the same independent extracurricular activity it has been since the days of BASIC. Reporting from the real world (Maryland).
ROFL.
Although, I switched to Linux because I wasn't masochistic enough to use Windows =)
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
This is not a story. This is the 2nd time in week this 99$ per kid sales promotion has been posted here.
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/06/14/2156236/Programming-Is-Heading-Back-To-School
English might not be the person's first language.
BTW. My righting is always purfect.
Fight Spammers!
The big question is: why is there SO much of a push by educators to get kids to take up programming?
My g/f is doing her PhD in adult education, and spending much time looking at documents from the OEDC, the World Bank, etc, on the so-called "Knowledge-Based Economy", which is a catch-all term for "high-tech stuff people who write policy documents for places like the OEDC and the World Bank don't understand".
These people have the idea that there is something really important about information technology, and in particular seem to believe that using more complex machines somehow makes work MORE knowledge-intensive instead of less, whereas the entire thrust of work since the Industrial Revolution has been to make work less knowledge-intensive.
To make pottery before Wedgewood invented the modern factory required everyone involved in the process have a huge amount of very specialized knowledge, from raw materials to finishing, and in fact the only people who could be involved were master potters and their apprentices. After Wedgewood, anyone who could follow a simple set of operational instructions for a single step in the process of making one particular type of pottery could participate in the process, and benefit from the increased productivity involved.
Even fifty years ago creating a finished document was the work of a specialized secretary because a typewriter was a very simple machine. Today we use a vastly more complex machine--Libre Office--to let anyone who is capable of pointing and clicking do all that work in complete ignorance of tab stops and standard formats.
The same is true of engineering drawing: today high-school kids can create drawings that are better than highly-trained draughtsmen could turn out fifty years ago.
In every field we are deskilling, but educators are being told their students need more and more skills, and because they are mostly not very experienced with the world outside schools they take the policy documents at face value and try to teach what they are told to teach.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
"trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's admittedly useful and niche-filling (it's intended for programmers who own websites) CMS software." - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal
There you go, right from tomhudson's fellow trolltalk.com pal! You can read that right there if you like http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394
Why float adverts from a domain if you're not making monies from them, or at least PR from them for making monies?
Does tomhudson make any monies from that?? Doesn't look i.
His CMS software must be a hunk of junk then. If so why bother do it? No, tomhudson yanked the adbanners because he runs the site trolltalk.com if anything temporarily to fool others here who said they see no adbanners http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542772
Either way tomhudson fails.
The trolling and stalking stuff tomhudson does by ac replies doesn't help tomhudson's case here either http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542646
The mouse and keyboard default speeds were set at retard slow
This is true, it's why there have been programs like USB overdrive (and the excellent MagicPrefs for the Magicmouse) and the like on mac for years. The default tracking is painfully slow.
it did not support my Model M very well at all. It did not seem to support my extra mouse buttons
Don't know about the keyboard, but the mouse buttons are basically a driver problem. Again, something like USB Overdrive is needed to support them.
find anything was a pain in the ass, its terminal does not support tabs,
Was this pre-Tiger ? Because Terminal most certainly has tabs, and Spotlight (OSX' desktop search system) has been part of OSX since Tiger.
and I did not bother trying to find out how to enable focus follows mouse which is a must have
Does not play well with the single menu bar. Think about it.
Even worse the terminal does not close when you exit it, you have to use the mouse to click the window close button like an ape.
Cmd+Q.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
he can pull adbanners in seconds time flat. Use your head. This is better than that though, from a trolltalk.com pal of tomhudson's:
"trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's admittedly useful and niche-filling (it's intended for programmers who own websites) CMS software." - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal
There you go, right from tomhudson's fellow trolltalk.com pal! You can read that right there if you like http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394
Why float adverts from a domain if you're not making monies from them, or at least PR from them for making monies?
Does tomhudson make any monies from that?? Doesn't look it, lol! His CMS software must be a hunk of junk then. If so why bother do it?
No, tomhudson yanked the adbanners because he runs the site trolltalk.com if anything temporarily to fool others here who said they see no adbanners http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542772
Either way tomhudson fails.
The trolling and stalking stuff tomhudson does by ac replies doesn't help tomhudson's case here either http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542646
It was the last PPC OSX, I am not sure what cat that is. Installing drivers for stuff is too windowsy for me.
If single menu bar and mouse focus conflict then single menu bar is a broken concept. Since it was ppc I could not get firefox, which meant no vimperator. A browser without vimperator is not a world I want to live in.
I can understand the attraction of OSX for those who are not good with computers, but it seems like a huge usability step backward for me from my linux machines. I do not hold any notions that what I want is what typical people want, I just don't want my options to go away.
My mother was a school teacher which certainly helped and she brought a computer home each summer, at about the same time my Dad bought a TRS-80 which I setup and programmed and I was into video games since I got an Atari in, I think, '82. Video games definitely encouraged my experimentation with computers as did my interest in those choose your own adventure books and the Infocom text adventure games. My public library had an Apple lab and I was there several times a week using the computers and playing games with the high school students; this was as an elementary school student.
You need to cultivate the interest by creating a supportive environment at an early age. Public schools tend to fail students by focusing on boring things like tests and facts that turn kids off to school instead of just making learning fun. Kids learn a lot more when they're having fun at play; there is plenty of time to focus on course material at the high school and collegiate level.
Johnny can't code because coding is hard. Johnny only wants to do things that are easy.
One problem with education today is trying to stamp out our children as each one with the same passions, skills, and competencies. Truth: Most people can learn all forms of curriculum but not all will take to it well, enjoy it and become competent at it. One of my boys is more creative, artistic while the other's bent in another way -- toward reading and such. Now they both read, and are both (IMO) pretty intelligent, but one is totally uninterested in anything I show them about programming and how to make their own games and levels and such and the other one is more interested. Making the curriculum interesting to all students is going to be pretty impossible.
I think the key is finding those kids that are logic-minded and getting them in the courseware meant for them. Just as I think that art should be taught to artistically-minded children.
I do think they are on the right track trying to make the program fit the age by making it about games. But that's only a start.
You're such a liar, APK. I have NEVER done a single ad banner on trolltalk, as anyone can verify with the wayback machine. The answer is no, I have never accepted a single paid add on ANY of my domains - the ONLY ads I have ever run on any of my personal domains were for other open-source projects. Then again, you've already said that you think that giving away source code under the GPL somehow makes me greedy ... how does that work?
Rachel completely trolled you - you thought you didn't see ads because of your stupid hosts file, when in fact there were none to begin with.
She p0wned you, dickhead. The worst part was she TOLD you, over and over, that she was trolling you, and you still fell for it. No wonder everyone thinks APK is an idiot - it's because you keep giving us so much proof that you're nothing but a fat stupid dope.
She trolled you, using your own stupid dependency on your stupid hosts file. If you had been using adblock plus (or any other MODERN solution) , you could have temporarily disabled ad-blocking on the site, and you would have seen that there were no ads.
As bugs bunny would say, "Alexander Peter Kowalski, the hosts file guy? What a maroon!" Oops, make that "What an obese maroon!"
It's not ridiculous at all.
Grants are institutions giving money to companies to develop ideas that otherwise would very likely not be developed. If you limit grants to basically academics, non-profits, and volunteers you're not going to get nearly as much done. Many non-profits work for a bit and shut down when the key people get tired of it and want to pursue something else. Academics are going for a paper and drop the project immediately after reaching a diminishing returns point on it's ability to produce more papers.
Grants are also highly unpredictable and in my experience they're usually for short incremental tasks on something that requires massive ongoing development.
If you want to do something long term, you need long term money. Grants are not long term. It's the difference between "I could quit my job and do this 3 year grant, then hope I can find another job" and "I could quit my job for this 3 year grant, and then it should be able to sustain itself and my salary". Can you see why the latter would attract a lot more people?
Open source is really awesome when there's enough real interest to create a sustainable project. "That's cool... somebody should do that" isn't enough, you have to do it.
Sorry, but there are coders and there are programmers.
You can teach a person to write code. It's not rocket science. Especially with today's RAD tools, intimate knowledge of anything isn't really a requirement anymore. And since pretty much every problem you might usually have in everyday programming has been solved already, copy/paste programming has become a staple of the industry.
That doesn't mean that these people really know what they're really doing.
I don't know if you ever had to take over legacy code from someone. Often you find out that he has been fired with good reason. There's a lot of voodoo programming going on, with people filling their programs with a lot of code that makes no sense whatsoever, but it was in the snippet they copied (where the code might even have done something meaningful).
So please, don't think that just 'cause a lot of people are "writing code" today that they actually know what they're doing. There's a lot of cookbook coders out there.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Because Johnny doesn't care about coding. He doesn't care about computers work. Johnny cares about getting high, fucking Tiffany, vandalism, watching Jersey Shore, listening to shitty "music" and rap, being "gangsta", playing *ball so he will get fat stacks in the majors, and generally being a douchebag.
Johnny doesn't care about coding because he has YouTube, Google, a phone capable of (t|s)exting, Garage Band, and software that can do what ever he wants to do.
Johnny doesn't care about coding because it takes too long, requires an ability to think clearly, intelligence, and doesn't provide instant positive feed back. Johnny like coding because it takes effort.
Johnny doesn't care about coding because it isn't cool and you rarely see a rich coder. The rich and happy people he sees are movie stars, bankers, executives, and athletes who generally get slaps on the wrist for doing things that would put a coder in prison.
Johnny can't code because Johnny has no need to, desire to, or interest in coding and you really can't blame him.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
"trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's ... CMS software." - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394
Who's the liar now tomhudson?
You, or webmistressrachel?? Going to call her a liar now too to try to "save yourself"???
(No, you're not weaseling out of this one tomhudson... lol!)
Read on slashdotters, it only gets BETTER:
"Suddenly" (lol, yea - right, NOT)
Others in that thread are saying "I can't see adbanners" as ac replies too?
PUH-LEESE, LMAO - see here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542772
LMAO, and an ac reply too... like tomhudson uses to troll yself here (see below)
Hey -
(Tomhudson up to his dirty tricks yet again, lol... like these below):
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"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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#2
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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#3
"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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tomhudson, not good, not good @ all. Trolling & stalking me's one thing, but trying to lie your way out now too?
"BAD, BAD, BAD tomhudson"
APK
P.S.=> So, tomhudson: Do you make ANY MONEY AT ALL FROM "TrollStalk.com", oops, I meant trolltalk.com? LMAO... answer the question!
... apk
"trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's ... CMS software." - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36531394
Who's the liar now tomhudson?
You, or webmistressrachel your friend?? Going to call her a liar now too to try to "save yourself"???
(No, you're not weaseling out of this one tomhudson... lol!)
Read on slashdotters, it only gets BETTER:
"Suddenly" (lol, yea - right, NOT)
Others in that thread are saying "I can't see adbanners" as ac replies too?
PUH-LEESE, LMAO - see here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542772
LMAO, and an ac reply too... like tomhudson uses to troll yself here (see below)
Hey -
(Tomhudson up to his dirty tricks yet again, lol... like these below):
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"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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#2
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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#3
"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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tomhudson, not good, not good @ all. Trolling & stalking me's one thing, but trying to lie your way out now too?
"BAD, BAD, BAD tomhudson" :
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"APK, your hearsay is inadmissible. You have no evidence, your claims are unfounded, and you are running a serious risk of stepping over the line into libel - publishing lies about someone in order to smear them or harm their financial interests." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 23, @01:40PM (#36544018)
OH, really - see above, not hearsay, IT"S QUOTESAY!
OH, by the way?
Not only has tomhudson been stalking me, but HE HAS LIBELED MYSELF and may have AFFECTED MY PROFESSIONAL REP WITH IT:
"APK is a know-nothing troll who has never worked in the industry." - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal
I have many others like that too... want them also?
Pot calling the kettle black again, tomhudson, and via your "patented" ac stalker/troller replies again??
APK
P.S.=> Do you make ANY MONEY AT ALL FROM "TrollStalk.com", oops, I meant trolltalk.com? LMAO... answer the question!
... apk
Bullshit. Jina can code just as well as Johnny if not better, and he doesn't have the elitist "I'm always right because I studied design theory for four years" attitude. That's the problem.
I had played around with coding myself, but really learned first at Stanford. The thing is after returning to Japan I went to a specialty school that didn't even have an entrance exam - anyone can attend, and had to re-learn everything during the first year. I thought this would be worthless, but I quickly found out I had been taught how to code very poorly. You could easily draw parallels from programming education to math education in America vs math education in Japan or India.
I'm sure I'll get marked flamebait for all of this, but from my personal experiences both learning to code and working with other coders from America, Japan, and India I can tell you I'd probably never choose to partner with an American coder over an Indian or Japanese. Drop the attitudes and learn from those who in reality are doing it better than you.
Bullshit. I've been to Japan, and there are good developers and bad developers there. Same with the Johnnies here in America. Same with the Jinas in India... oh, I've so have had to deal with the bad offshore coders from India, it's not even funny. The good ones aren't get paid peanuts, and many of them actually come to study or work here.
Again, there are good and bad developers in any random country of your pick. You know that, so don't give me this shit you are trying to feed us. You have a point on the deficiencies in math education at pre-collegiate levels, but are you going to tell me that there are marked college-level mathematics deficiencies here? Marked to the point that they are substantially detrimental?
Your experience in Stanford is pretty much that, a personal experience. What courses you took? Under what conditions? What specifically did you learn badly at Standford? And assuming that all of that is true, how do you take that personal experience at a specific university (and elite one mind you) into a accurate generalization of software development and CS education in the US? And for that matter, how do you take your own personal experience at that particular specialty school in Japan and turn it into an accurate generalization of software/CS education in that country? Here is a xkcd cartoon to you. Maybe it will give you some insight into the flaws of your argument.
"APK, your hearsay is inadmissible. You have no evidence, your claims are unfounded, and you are running a serious risk of stepping over the line into libel - publishing lies about someone in order to smear them or harm their financial interests." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 23, @01:40PM (#36544018)
See below... and check the date on it too, this has been going on in libeling myself from tomhudson for a LONG time!
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"APK is a know-nothing troll who has never worked in the industry." - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35192078
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Not only has tomhudson been stalking me, but HE HAS LIBELED MYSELF and may have AFFECTED MY PROFESSIONAL REP WITH IT:
I have many others like that too... want them also?
Pot calling the kettle black again, tomhudson, and via your "patented" ac stalker/troller replies again??
(I've worked in the Fortune 100-500, & even told tomhudson 1 example in Goulds Pumps, as far back as 1995 professionally as a programmer!)
APK
P.S.=> Do you make ANY MONEY AT ALL FROM "TrollStalk.com", oops, I meant trolltalk.com? LMAO... answer the question!
... apk
I never had a problem with forums since I started using Linux in 1999. They've been a superb source of support for BOTH Linux and Windows.
Forums where noobs are roasted aren't worth visiting, so don't go there.
Problem fucking solved.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
- The support for it is limited to forums where you never get actual help, but instead a bunch of ass-hats who shout back "RTFM LAMZOR" and similar insults at you
As opposed to forums about windows where you are always sure to get helpful professional advice?
If you write in to a bug report forum or a feature request to some bit of software, someone screaming "the beauty of it is its linux so you can fix it yourself so go fix it yourself and post the fix noob" is not comforting or likely to make you stick around.
Have you ever tried sending a bug report to Microsoft? I have and, believe me, I'd rather be called "noob" than get the response I did:
-"We are aware of that situation and it will be fixed in the next version"
-"Oh, great! And when will you send me the next version?
-"It will be available next spring for $"599.95"
- You don't just "switch to linux." You have to pick one of a gazillion discordant distros
Yeah, like Linux Starter, Linux Home, Linux Professional, or Linux Ultimate, right?
And that the architecture for your particular distro isn't rewritten in some bizarre-ass fucking arcane way that causes your particular hardware to break on the "standard linux driver"... presuming one even exists.
That reminds me of the last time someone asked me for help installing his new printer in his dual-boot computer. He had already installed the drivers for Windows that came in the CD. I asked "have you tried printing something in Linux?" He hadn't. When he did the printer just worked in Linux, differently from Windows, there was no need to run any install programs.
But it has become very obvious to me over the past 15 years
Admit it, you haven't actually tried to run Linux in the last 15 years, have you? Because your comments are exactly the way I felt in 1995 when I first installed Yggdrasil Linux in my computer.
I refer you to this insightful post from someone who also has spent plenty of time with Linux as well.M
I found this "insightful" pearl in that link: "I want to use Notepad++; it lacks a Linux port.". That's like saying "I want to eat pig shit and can't find it in this fancy restaurant's menu".
Robo Rally. Try the demo.
This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
Not necessarily. Johnny could be a diamond in the rough, but thinks that programming is hard and pointless. By giving him a rewarding goal that shows results quickly, he might discover that he actually has a talent and a passion. It worked for me - I only learned to program so that I could hack Netrek, and now I do some fairly deep fu.
Remember, we're competing for Johnny's heart and mind. Would we rather that he became a lawyer, or an accountant?
Point me to one great programmer, or physicist or mathematician or musician or whatever-specialist that was good, if not great despite the fact that he found his subject of interest hard and pointless? Great practitioners seek that which is hard and they never need to be coerced into seeing that which they seek as not being pointless. This is not empty rhetoric (while your proposition is.) This is how mastery of something works.
It is a natural talent. It can be guided, assisted or supported. But it cannot be created out of the vacuum for someone who is not talented and that. And the great American Failure is to think that everyone can be talented at everything if just they get polished a little into the right direction. It flies in the face of human experience, and it is a complete denial that talent for something is scarce, not general, and that there are people who will not be talented, or even efficient at anything.
Instead of wasting time trying convince kids into going into programming by what is nothing more than shinny gimmicks, we should be 1) improving the overall quality of general education and 2) providing kids with vocational education opportunities (as in the German/Japanese models of education) early on.
Focus-follows-mouse is a broken concept. It allows an application that is in the background to have focus. I hate it. I always hated it. People who like it are nuts.
If this isn't libel, I don't know what is, because I own my own home (and rental property), even a nice sportscar & more:
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35840802
"APK is 44 years old and really does live still with one or both of his parents (or another relative); /etc/hosts | sort | uniq > hosts.uniq)? Oops, my bad - Windows only - so grab a copy of cygwin [cygwin.com] instead" by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:59PM (#35840802) Homepage Journal
APK can't write software for shit;
APK stopped hosting it with download.com because he could use the $80 fee for buying better hardware instead (no wonder he posts on a 400hz computer),
His "programs" generally consist of nothing more than easy-to-code front-ends to edit ini files (his "graphic accelerators", for example) in Delphi, or "code that will remove duplicate entries from a hosts file" (never heard of cat
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(Go to the URL & read: It's amazing the amount of b.s. & time tomhudson spent trying to libel me here in fact!)
AHEM: "Pot CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK AGAIN", tomhudson?
APK
P.S.=> Need I say more? I think not... between this & the other example of libel tomhudson's directed MY way here, repeatedly thereof here:
"APK is a know-nothing troll who has never worked in the industry." - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday February 12, @11:19AM (#35186644) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35192078
Don't make me LAUGH: On LIBEL? I could sue or countersue you & most likely WIN, in a heartbeat!, just based on the above & more I have of the same libel tomhudson's been doing to me since last year even
... apk
tomhudson, do you code & run trolltalk.com? It appears you have a problem:
"trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's ... CMS software." - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal
Seems that you pulled the adbanners advert code from that site because others can't see it here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36542772
You may be losing money.
QUESTION:
Do you make money from your website in any way tomhudson? Look into that then.
It was the last PPC OSX, I am not sure what cat that is.
Sounds like Panther, which shipped with the last generation of PPC macs (PPC itself was supported until as recently as Leopard in 2007.)
Installing drivers for stuff is too windowsy for me.
Well , they're not strictly drivers more like what we called "commodities" on the Amiga (run in the background modifying system behavior.) Don't know what you would call that on Windows or Linux.
If single menu bar and mouse focus conflict then single menu bar is a broken concept.
It's a question of preference. Personally I could never stand "focus follows mouse." You could make "single menu bar" and "focus follows mouse" work together by "locking" the menu bar to a program by using a modifier key of some sort eg. by holding the right mouse button à la Amiga. That's pretty un-maclike though.
Since it was ppc I could not get firefox, which meant no vimperator. A browser without vimperator is not a world I want to live in.
There were very definitely PPC builds of Firefox 2 for mac available around that time.
I can understand the attraction of OSX for those who are not good with computers, but it seems like a huge usability step backward for me from my linux machines. I do not hold any notions that what I want is what typical people want, I just don't want my options to go away.
Yeah like I say a question of preference, in the end that's why we have different OS's at all. Good thing they're not all the same. It has little to do with the technical proficiency of the user though since OSX is just a (very nice) layer above a unix OS.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
Basically if you don't like programming, programming will suck for you and so will your work. The number of people that actually like to program is rather limited which is why there are not many good developers. Most are in it because it's a good way to make a buck now. Others are in it because it's what they love to do and any other way of making a living would be hell. Those are the ones that end up being good.
I've been doing it since I got a Commodore 64 the first year they were out. I tried to go to college for something else (this was 1990 and computer programming jobs were scarce in my area) and failed miserably. However in the area where my college was there were a lot of software engineering shops, so I dropped out and became a professional programmer because I knew someone and showed them what I could do. To quote KRS-1 "I make about a G a week, fuck school".
I've never looked back. I still don't have a degree or any type of certification, and I'm just fine. When you can demonstrably code assembler and C you don't need a degree. You don't need to summon the power of certification either. I've worked for 2 fortune 500's and a little software startup. I'm in the startup now still, been there for 6 years now and we are now a mid sized company.
Tomhudson, stalking and trolling others is against the law isn't it? See here:
(Is someone impersonating you tomhudson? It doesn't look it but let's hear what you have to say about it)
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#2
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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#3
"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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Why do you do that tomhudson? There are laws against it!
There are also laws against libel tomhudson:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36544762
So, it seems you like to libel others you stalk and troll others on this website also, per the link directly above as well tomhudson!
What's up with that tomhudson?
Tomhudson, stalking and trolling others is against the law isn't it? See here:
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"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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#2
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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#3
"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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Why do you do that tomhudson? There are laws against it!
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There are also laws against libel tomhudson:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36544762
So, it seems you like to libel others you stalk and troll others on this website also, per the link directly above as well tomhudson!
What's up with that tomhudson?
Right, because we need tons of people churning out more shovelware bullshit, instead of people with the skills and the knowledge to actually innovate. You're advocating for shitty products made by sheeple instead of quality products and inventions made by those with skills. Further, if you can't imagine how programming skills directly tie in with all engineering and innovation you're a moron. You know what, even if you do see those things you're still a moron. We need people who can design the machines that unskilled labor operates, and we don't have enough of them. If you lack the skills you will be left behind in the global, national and local economies.
If I can just reach out with my words and touch a butthole, just one, it will all be worth it.
Refer to CASE # SYRPDD6202011-44
There were very definitely PPC builds of Firefox 2 for mac available around that time.
This was last week, not years ago.
It has a lot to say about the technical proficiency of the user, that unix OS has no real useful tools installed. Even locate was missing. Worse yet, there is no official way to get them, maybe the app store fixes that.
If your gf hasn't read "In The Age of the Smart Machine" by Shoshanna Zuboff, I recommend she give it a look. It has a lot of insight on exactly what you've described in your post.
"There are more and more [computer science] jobs," says Alexander Repenning, a computer science professor at the University of Colorado Boulder, "but the interest is actually going down, and the interest of women in these kinds of jobs is going down even faster."
That is as far as I got. Every alarm bell in my head was ringing. Quite unpleasant. So I went and found something of possible value: http://www.cra.org/resources/crn-online-view/undergraduate_cs_degree_production_rises_doctoral_production_steady/ . Long read, but take a look at those charts. I think I am willing to step out on a limb and say, "Man people like the idea of getting rich for not much work, and during the dot-com boom CS was the place to pan for gold." I need to find longer term data though. Oh and the claim about women in the above quote is not born out by this data.
Say it slowly, "most people don't care about science/engineering". Really, it's true. Esoteric concepts like "building things", figuring out "how something really works" are not important to most people. And if someone doesn't care about that kind of stuff, then they probably never will. Maybe you can convince a few people it's fun but your success rate will be low most likely.
And say you do convince some people do go down that road. What do you think they are going to do when they find out about the truly *massive* amount of work it takes to actually build something that works? Because as most of us know, all the fun stuff like concept, design, initial work is great fun... too bad that's really only 50% of the work. Then you get to testing, design rework etc (not fun). Factor in the workload of a decent Engineering BS degree, and there better be a big fat reward at the end or else most people will just quit and go do something else.
If you really want more programmers then the industry needs to pony up the dollars IMO. Then you will get a bunch of people who may have no passion, but will work their arses off to chase the almighty dollar.
Is the real reason Johnny can't code.. just about anything you want to do on a computer these days you can buy off the shelf.
back in the day if you wanted something as simple as a clock, a timer, or a way to secure your PC. you had to write it.
You are forgetting one thing. Now computers are cheap. Nearly everyone can afford on. And a development system? Peanutes. A 2nd hand PC will do, development tools are freely accesible. Hell, server grade software is not only free, all its source code can be obtained fully.
Us oldies had to seriously save to get our own hardware. Software cost a fortune. Even older ones could only get time shared access once they went to the RIGHT university. And still, they learned.
It has become easier and easier to become a developer. Compare having to buy or borrow books with endless programming tutorials available on the web. My own first computer? A C16 and I couldn't afford a tape drive.If I turned it off, my code was gone.
Now you can code with near endless storage with a 2nd hand PC for a 100 bucks and have server software, an IDE, the entire internet as a resource as a small child easily.
Yes, the click and pray kids don't stand a chance, but then they would never have saved up all their savings to get a commodore either.
Yes, some devices are closed. So? Plenty are not and they are cheaper then they ever were.
Take the lego mindstorm. I would have KILLED for such a device, years ago I finally bought the commodore robot, just because I finally could afford it after it having tempted me throughout my childhood years. It doesn't even hold a candle to mindstorm which is CHEAPER then a console!
Oh and those closed devices? Which one of them so far has not been hacked wide open? Where was the guy hacking the mainframe open so I could get a time share on it as a small child?
Just turn it into a script kiddie competition. Put them in a classroom with old XP (or maybe even Windows 95) machines hooked together on a private network, show them how to get started writing email trojan scripts for Outlook Express, and let them fight it out. That's more likely to get kids interested faster (because good games take longer to write).
There were very definitely PPC builds of Firefox 2 for mac available around that time.
This was last week, not years ago.
Ahem, Firefox 0.8 for OSX (Jun 2004), Firebird 0.6 for OSX (Jun 2003), ...
It has a lot to say about the technical proficiency of the user, that unix OS has no real useful tools installed. Even locate was missing. Worse yet, there is no official way to get them, maybe the app store fixes that.
No locate ? OSX manpages online says you're wrong. And Macports (formerly Darwinports) has been around since at least 2003 delivering all other goodies you can think of.
No offense but I think time and frustration may have warped your memory.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
Ah, yes, deemphasizes programming... Because existing CS degrees don't do enough of that already. I've done a B.Sc., a masters and am now doing a Ph.D. in CS... And the whole time, everybody's been pretending that programming is just not that important. That computer science should be something pure and somehow entirely detached from the practical realities of computing. The result? Lots of students can't code. Lots of students don't really understand how computers work, both in the concrete and in the theoretical sense.
I think if you hate coding, you should pick another field. Like it or not, unless you're doing purely theoretical CS, you're going to need to implement something on a computer at some point... And this is done with a programming language.
I think coding could be made more *fun* and less tedious, but I don't think we should try to hide it under a rug and pretend it's not there. If anything, learning to program is a great way to develop your logical/critical thinking.
If he can who cares if he can code !
Coding today is a hobby. most work has left the country. Think of it as chess or reading sci-fi.
I did not go looking at archive.org I looked at firefox.com and was told no modern firefox existed.
Niether of those is official.
I agree though frustration probably did warp my memory. It was a huge PITA and a more modern version of OSX would have helped a ton.
I linked to archive.org to show the webpage as it existed at the time, builds for OSX were offered right alongside windows versions at the time on the official webpage for firefox. Firefox finally abandoned PPC builds with version 4 I believe.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
Most people don't use Linux because:
You're overthinking it. Most people don't run Linux because, quite simply, there's no reason to. They don't give a shit about fsf-style "freedom" or the Unix way of doing things, which are quite simply the two biggest reasons, generally speaking, to run Linux. Actually, that really should be "the two biggest rationalizations" to run Linux, because I suspect the biggest *reason* has more to do with simply wanting to geek out (which, again, is a reason that is important to almost no one).
Very few people ever get to a point in their decision-making process where you list comes into the picture.
For most people, buying a computer means buying a Windows PC (although they don't even realize that's a way to refer to it). For a lot of people, it means choosing between a PC and a Mac. For a reasonably large minority, it means buying a Mac.
But for almost no one does it even include the option of running Linux, let alone some sort of pro/con assessment. Those that do can find it on the internet easily enough, and have plenty of options and communities which to join, if they so wish. It's a fairly nice arrangement, except the part where the nerds get in a fuss about market share. You (the general 'you', not you specifically) can't expect people to want to use something that doesn't serve their needs, regardless of how well it serves yours.
See subject, & please tell us how someone can pull adbanners from your screenshots that you have saved on your own personal computer. The only way that he could do that is by hacking into your computer and deleting/modifying files on it. It sounds to me like you are accusing him of hacking into your computer. Is that correct? If so it just goes to prove yet again that your HOSTS file is complete crap and doesn't prevent you from getting hacked or infected by viruses/trojans which you claim it does.
Although I've never been happy with the drag-and-drop method of producing programs (because it hides too much of the internal mechanics), being able to get something running quickly and then altering it to do something better has a big appeal. Providing that enough of the workings are explained, this looks like a good approach.
What I don't understand from the article is why the program disappears because funding stops. The software is there, why can't teachers continue using it?
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I used this last week, meaning in 2011 not years ago when it was brand new.
I honestly considered putting a ppc linux on the machine. If the battery was not dead I would have. Too much work to fix it though, stupid Apple sealed laptop design.
Many kids code and there will always be a geek chic about it.
While it helps allot, they should divorce mathematics from coding.
Many feel that logic (not necessarily mathematical logic) and creativity is more important than getting bogged down in advanced mathematics.
The main problem though is the job market for coders.
Young folks coming up today have a more sophisticated and realistic view of the job market.
Why would they want to subject themselves to the work life of a coder?
Working for dead brain clueless bosses while competing with equally clueless but cheap VISA and offshore workers who misrepresent their credentials.
Python has all the features of other languages,
it's free, its syntax is very simple,
in it you can easily do functional and procedural
programming.
I taught Python my students in the college,
my brother in law, and a guy from the jail
who wanted to learn programming.
It has Mathematics package (Numeric)
which is very efficient and easy to use.
Good luck!
Refer to CASE # SYRPDD6202011-44
Your butt hurt much? "hey don't fuck with you in the next release", "have absolutely no goddamn fucking clue what a normal desktop user wants", "instead a bunch of ass-hats who shout back "RTFM LAMZOR", and "And that the architecture for your particular distro isn't rewritten in some bizarre-ass fucking arcane way" seriously clam the fuck down. It is just an operating system.
"The laws of science be a harsh mistress." --Bender
tomhudson you're making a fool of yourself by libeling and trolling somebody by saying things that could affect their income and professional standing. I'd cool it because you appear to be spazzing out.
I used this last week, meaning in 2011 not years ago when it was brand new.
In that case : Tenfourfox (community ppc build of Firefox 4) and of course Firefox 3.6 is still available as a universal (x86 & ppc) binary.
I honestly considered putting a ppc linux on the machine. If the battery was not dead I would have. Too much work to fix it though, stupid Apple sealed laptop design.
What laptop is it, the "non user-upgradable" batteries only came in about 2008 IIRC, with the unibody macs ?
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
didn't you hear? ebooks and ereaders are not venues where people can go to get free wi-fi, read books and magazines without paying for them, hang out in a bookish atmosphere and feel trendy while they get trendy coffee as their favorite author signs their ereader screens during a beatnik poetry performance.
insensitive clod overlords obligatory xkcd car analogy russian reversals whoosh pedant fanbois ftfy in 3...2...1..PROFIT
It'll increase your problem solving abilities.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
Have you ever wondered why you are childless, and no man wants you? Let's see:;
1.) You are a 1 eyed cyclops
2.) You are a miserable troll online that stalks & harasses others, and thinks it's "the right thing to do"
3.) You live alone with dogs and no man wants you.
(That tell anyone anything here?? It certainly does me!)
APK
Isn't that right tomhudson? No man wants you.
No. You're childless cyclops 1 eyed monstrosity no man wants which is why you profile says you live with dogs and alone. Some accomplishment. Just like you think being a troll is. That is no accomplishment. It shows the rest of us how miserable you are.
You're the one that trolls and stalks others, your own words prove it, so who's the hypocrite now? Proof's below:
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"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
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#2
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
"The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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"if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously" - by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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You're also a childless 1 eyed monstrosity, hence why your profile shows you live alone with dogs instead of having a partner of the opposite sex.
It's obvious You troll others (big accomplishment that (not)). You do so, because you're a miserable hideous beast, that nobody wants. I feel sorry for your dogs actually.
and that means they really need a Computer Engineering/Software Engineering degree.
Not necessarily. Some people (though not all or many) can teach it to themselves through the use of various methods. And, despite this, they actually know what they're doing.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
And just like art, it requires a certain "gift" if you hope to do any better than stick figures and finger painting.
Well, when I was a teacher, (and even now in my professional life), I used to ask everyone a simple question.
"What is the difference between a Programmer, a Software Engineer, and a Hacker?"
To which i give the answer:
"When presented with a square hole and a round peg and told to integrate: The programmer will say, it cannot be done. The Engineer will re-engineer the hole and/or the peg in order to fit properly, the Hacker does the same, but with a Hammer."
However, in any real project (especially agile) you need people with all three mentalities. You need the developers to code the menial stuff, allowing the engineers to focus on the more chalenging aspects, and sometimes you need the hacker mentality to meet a particular deadline, as long as you have a long term plan to refactor that code later.
Have a nice day!
Y can't Tori read?
Utilizing the synergization of benchmark e-solutions to pre-workaround action items!
The last mac book ppc, huge screen, maybe the battery is user replaceable I did not look. When I see an Apple product I immediately think "Sealed useless when breaks". Not that I have never fixed an iPod, but Apple is outright hostile to folks like me so rather than fix them I prefer to tell people to buy something with a replaceable battery.
tomhudson, show proof apk went to your trolltalk.com troll's website: Can you show us a link where he states he did? How about a log with his IP address??
No, you can't produce that.
All you have is lies, libel, adhominem attacks, and trolling/harassments (trying to pass them off as invalid anecdotal evidence)
AND, being owner of trolltalk.com domain as tomhudson is.
And using a sockpuppet ac reply as tomhudson's been shown to do via his own words:
Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
Or even by having an alternate registered luser sockpuppet account registered on slashdot.com (no big trick via gmail or other public email systems and another computer even).
So, you can stop replying via ac replies to try to save face here tomhudson - we know what you're about.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36556110 and it's not like tomhudson doesn't have a few trolling tricks up his sleeve he and his friends use. Here is another one from his pal countertrolling on how the upmod each other, and downmod others http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 as evidence thereof/proof.
and others know he does Tomhudson did you do this? here http://slashdot.org/journal/266852/Did-You-Do-This-TomHudson where tomhudson did the same trick to he as well and others!
(Tomhudsons' trolling/harassing playbook is very limited and easily seen thru, because he does the same things over and over including ac stalking trolling replies so yes, we know it's you again tom).
tomhudson, your ac replies and stalking/trolling are catching up to you it seems, and in your +5 moderated thread!
Everyone KNOWS you and your friends mod up yourselves just like how you mod down others via tricks shown by your 'friend' (sockpuppet) countertrolling http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 here ).
You're (and your trolling friends and sockpuppet accounts as well as your ac replies) doing yourself in tomhudson. Nobody else did this to you.
No proof as usual, eh, tomhudson -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36555984 and your "trollStalk.com" puny site?
(And, I doubt APK blocks it in his HOSTS file (nobody but your troll crew goes there)).
Proof? Ok:
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Join us all on Troll Talk, this Tues. ;-) I'll be in London or Prague - I hope you have the "same Tuesday". by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Thursday June 16, @08:26PM (#36469928) Homepage Journal
from -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245062&cid=36469928
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(Just last week no less, and tomhudson says that his domain's NOT used for trolling yet? B.S.!)
Either you're all liars (jeremiah cornelius & webmistressrachel) OR, you are... take your pick, either way?? You show you're a liar that hangs out with other trolling liars... end game/period.
Yet you have stated here publicly that it's only going to be used for "the art of trolling" (or something along those lines) in the future only?
Who are you trying to fool?? Yourself???
You only do this to yourself, tomhudson (watch him now say the same b.s. he did that Webmistressrachel "pwnd" me - you always pwn yourselves, see above, lol)
Tomhudson will bury himself in yet another lie: Just as he did of webmistressrachel, his fellow troll (who lied or tom's lying about his site serving ads)
Worst part is?
You're willing to show that you will take down your entire crew of pals or sockpuppets, like a SOCIOPATH would, just to save your sorry childless cyclops trolling/stalking ass!
Now UR caught in more lies 2 lie UR way out of more http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36557992 [slashdot.org] ROTFLMAO! You're so insignificant apk couldn't be bothered (and to give away his IP address at as well, do you think he's as stupid as you are?)
Seems nobody goes to your domain, but other trolls you hang around with like Jeremiah Cornelius!
See subject-line, & translate (By the power of truth, while living, I have conquered the UNIVERSE, and the trolltalk.com crew, & mainly the "ringleader" tomhudson here, lol... too easy! Truth makes it thus...)
Thank-you for your time if you're reading, & I hope you've enjoyed it as much as I - they've been trolling, stalking, libeling me, making blackmail threats, & more...
I am glad the trolltalk.com trolls (tomhudson & crew) actually were foolish enough to attack me here yet again via AC replies as seen above:
Mainly - Because it explains EXACTLY how to take out trolls, by using the simple power of truth & facts (and their own words + misdoings online @ this website).
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tomhudson (The ringleader & bigtime trolling liar)
gmhowell (agreed to truce)
webmistressrachel (liar & pawn or, sockpuppet of the main fool, in tomhudson I suspect)
jeremiah cornelius (pretty much leaves me be, we got along before this)
damn_registrars (I think he was just a pawn of tomhudson),
clone (both guises 52431/52431 LONG gone)
erroneus (just another troll I blew away recently for the same crap, blackmail attempt on me too - I could NOT believe it in fact, & trolling mechanics the idiots from trolltalk.com, above, utilize bogusly)
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AND, of course, since tomhudson always trolls me on HOSTS files posts I do, & fails hugely!
(See here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2230966&cid=36418796 )
Plus, in other technical matters in networking + programming & yes, HOSTS files - see below!
Yes - a "rib/jab" @ trolls around here... not blaspheming, but the point's there!
The latter url's internals, which is why I suspect is WHY tomhudson trolls me via AC replies, "Geek Angst" of his, blown away, by yours truly - TOO many times, & just "too, Too, TOO EASILY - '2EZ-ily'"
(AND, everytime he starts with myself, & "tries me" as he has here... only to expose he & his and how they work online (dishonorably), lol!)
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"Heavenly hosts refers to an army (Luk.2:13; Rev.19:19) of good angels mentioned in the Bible. It is led either by the Archangel Michael, Jesus, or by God himself. ... The heavenly host participate in the War in Heaven and, according to some interpretations, will battle Satan (lol, tomhudson) and Satan's own army (trolltalk.com) at the End of Days and be victorious" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_host
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* So - with that "all said & aside"?
Thanks for your time, and again - Do ENJOY (and use) THE TIP ON NORTON DNS (good stuff)...
APK
P.S.=> So, per my FAVORITE FILM of all time (LAYER CAKE), do see it, great film - Specifically @ it's termination?
AND
Because I especially like doing analogies via film (better than scripture quotes or those from classical literature, since more folks have a backdrop in film by far lately)??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffz2MHYEaAE&feature=related
"Adios Amigos" - XXX
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LAYER CAKE ENDING:
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Clarkie the Chemist - "The King is Dead, Long Live the King..."
XXX - "Well I'm honored, but for me? This is all over, I'm getting out... what was true THEN, is true now: Have a Plan, & Stick to it. So I'm sure you gentlemen have LOTS to discuss, but I have no business being here... Adios Amigos (Paul the Boatman (clone), Kinky (Jeremiah Cornelius), The Duke (tomhudson), Slasher (webmistressrachel), Mr. Lucky (damn_registrars) , Troop () ...Jimmy (Pseudonym Authority) - I don't want to add my name to THAT list. My name? If you knew that, you'd be as clever as me..." - XXX
... apk
I'm "LONG gone".
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Pretty sure she hasn't... thanks for the tip. It looks like an interesting read!
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
You prove I'm right that UR connected to trolltalk.com - by showing here, lol, I am sort of glad you did:
THANK YOU!
In fact?
You have put the "icing on the cake" of my last post you reply to now!
The proof's in the URL link below & the exchange there below next, lol... Man:
BUS-TED clone, 2x in a row here... you've got DOUBLE-EGG on your face (once more, see below!)
LMAO... been "stinging that long" in "Geek Angst" have you? I must ask:
tomhudson - has clone always been a sockpuppet of yours??
(LOL, probably! "Special sock-puppet troll in reserve")
For you??
I'll make 1 more appearance!
Man - I am laughing SO HARD right now, it's not funny! You dolts are ridiculously easy to get the best of, everytime:
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PERTINENT URL QUOTE EXCERPT EXCHANGE:
"Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme". by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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And, guess who's there with gmhowell too! YOU ARE:
EVIDENCE THEREOF:
"Iâ(TM)m actually a little bit disappointed. His attention is getting pretty divided... I think he spread himself too thinly and now heâ(TM)s took a break from it." - by clone53421 (1310749) on Monday May 10 2010, @11:37AM (#32156274) Journal
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32156274
(Same exchange as tomhudson formulating with others no less to troll & stalk me as ac replies in fact!)
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LMAO - The only thing that took a 'break' was trolltalk.com as I broke you ALL in 1/2... easily!
In fact, you just KNOW I just gotta say it, as is my usual inimitable style:
This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'"
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(gmhowell? Hey - He conceded to a truce w/ me!)
Well - "backed down" really!
Albeit, ONLY after I practically had to put a gun to his head in fact!
Much as with tomhudson here and many times in the past shown in the reply of mine you are responding to, like a puppet dancing on a string (you're probably another tomhudson sockpuppet, lol).
QUOTE:
Meh, I'm bored anyway. Whatever. Fine. by gmhowell (26755) on Tuesday June 21, @06:04PM (#36520598) Homepage Journal
He stuck to it so far... as will I.
gmhowell, laid off... (I think ONLY because I exposed him for trolling too - showing people here just how you all operate - bogusly!)
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Just like tomhudson's +5 rating is bogus here (see PS below for how trolltalk.com games the rating system here falsely for down mods & sockpuppet or "fellow troll" rate one another up in 'teams')
This all, which to his dismay, EXPOSES HIM TO A LOT OF FOLKS, lol for what tomhudson is: SCUM! Online trash & lying sociopath (that will even take his pals down, who screwup & give me information to "NOOK" them with, lol!)
(tomhudson?)
Man - Please... a +5? No way!
After all, on computer science and degrees? tomhudson's nobody to talk on degrees in CSC (as he doesn't HAVE one)
In fact on THAT subject?
I've asked tomhudson IF he even had a CSC degree here as he trolled me during most of this year, & as per usual? Well - no answer:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1952834&cid=34915292
LMAO! See for yourselves...
YES, more tomhudson's "Run, Forrest RUN" evasions which do him in, for credibility every time!
(Especially when he tries to play smart, as he did on monetary mechanics, economics,
"The LORD OF HOSTS", absolutely RULES (dominates trolltalk.com, easily):
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"Heavenly hosts refers to an army (Luk.2:13; Rev.19:19) of good angels mentioned in the Bible. It is led either by the Archangel Michael, Jesus, or by God himself. ... The heavenly host participate in the War in Heaven and, according to some interpretations, will battle Satan (lol, tomhudson) and Satan's own army (trolltalk.com sockpuppets & troll members) at the End of Days and be victorious" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_host
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And?
As "Good Will Hunting" (Matt Damon in title role) said:
"You like APPLES? How do ya like THEM apples?"
LOL!
Ah, you KNOW I just gotta say it, in my usual "inimitable style":
This? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2EZ'" as per my usual vs. the trolltalk.com trolls (whom Jeremiah Cornelius said I would NEVER defeat, but oddly with HIS HELP, I have!)
* So, in a way? I have told JC this before - I have class, so Thanks Jeremiah Cornelius... indirectly!
APK
P.S.=> That, & these REPEATED fails listed, of yours vs. myself, SPECIFICALLY on HOSTS files below:
(Now that you've been caught lying that trolltalk.com's NOT used for trolling tactic strategy & JC gave you away above, see date of his post, last week, lol!)
So "Satan GET THE BEHIND ME", because not only per this thread, & other tech topics? You note hosts in your feeble ranting reply... On HOSTS you are MILES behind me see below for proof thereof:
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tomhudson bullshit on HOSTS is outnumbered 30:1 vs. apk evidences:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35847946
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tomhudson BURNED on DNS vs. HOSTS and CPU cycles/memory & more used on HIS "ideas" vs. HOSTS vs. apk's ideas:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35879374
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tomhudson BURNED & RAN on HOSTS vs. VIRUSES vs. APK:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2088808&cid=35877448
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tomhudson says "hosts are so 90's" & apk's fellow RESPECTED security person wrote a noted article on them in 2009:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2088808&cid=35876806
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tomhudson has to "eat his words" after TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN APK's MOUTH HE NEVER ONCE STATED on HOSTS, & tomhudson ran:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2092742&cid=35956312
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"Thanks be to God" &
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides, by the inequities of the selfish & the tyranny of evil men. (from trolltalk.com)
What do I have to say about that much above? I can't say it any better, than this was stated already (from the greatest book of all time, the "tech manual for life" imo):
"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 10, Verse 10
... apk
What is or does the Lord of Host means?
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PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"The image of this title brings to mind a mighty military commander, the hosts being his troops. The Lord is one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power"
* Just like HOSTS files do, for added "layered security"...
APK
P.S.=> Rank after RANK of protective "power", & to the tune here currently as of 15 minutes ago?
1,445,426++ 'rank' entries in it, vs. known bad sites/servers/hosts-domains...
Of said power...
AND?
Clearly - Enough POWER, to blow the doors off trolltalk.com & tomhudson especially (lol, too easy)!
Now - JC (jeremiah cornelius) once said I couldn't but... guess what?
Proof's in the pudding, lol, from this entire exchange albeit MUCH to your dismay! You have been as YOU put it??
"PWN'D" & LARGE (as I put it)
Yes - In a +5 thread, bogusly modded up by trolltalk.com no less (proof next of their cheater mechanics for it in gaming the moderation system here no less also)
AND
tomhudson having no degree & their bogus up/down team moderation gaming tactics notwithstanding!
All, per countertrolling apparently saying he does so here & he's DEFINITELY one of you -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 ) proves it!
From the film Layer Cake to you, tomhudson (as I told you before for your trolling, stalking, & libeling of myself on these forums as YOU have shown via quotes many times that I put up in all regards now mentioned/noted by me):
DRAGAN -> This is the end Mr. Duke... as I told you!"
... apk
Robots.
Once your programming interacts with the world instead of a screen, it gets real interesting.
I'm confused... then again, I'm usually confused after trying to make heads or tails from one of your rants.
Pay attention to the dates and who posted them (Hilarious) because it gets them trolltalk.com & tomhudson bunch BUSTED large:
"In the future, part of trolltalk will be used for promoting "l'Art de la troll" - "The art of trolling", " - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @02:36PM (#36544996) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36544996
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Read on, this gets better, & funny as hell (keep reading the post dates too, especially that, because the last one from another member of trolltalk.com SMOKES them!)
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"BTW, yes, eventually part of trolltalk will be about the art of trolling :-)" " - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:16PM (#36545572) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> hhttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36545572
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NOW HERE IS THE KICKER:
PAY ATTENTION TO THE DATE IN JEREMIAH CORNELIUS' POST NEXT, REQUOTED (lmao, from LAST WEEK - 8 days earlier than tomhudson's LIES above quoted saying trolltalk.com isn't used for troll gatherings!)
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"Join us all on Troll Talk, this Tues.". by Jeremiah Cornelius (137) on Thursday June 16, @08:26PM (#36469928) Homepage Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245062&cid=36469928
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Again - 8 days earlier than tomhudson's LIES above quoted saying trolltalk.com isn't used for troll gatherings!
ROTFLMAO!
Man, that's funny, it looks like trolltalk.com is used for a gathering of trolls...& longer than a week ago too despite tomhudson's quoted LIES above!
(Unbelievable!)
The "spinmaster attempt" by webmistressrachel, when I showed her that, shows she's a damned liar too, because she's now trying to say same shit tomhudson said of her!
E.G.-> We were trolling you (no, you got caught in a LIE)
Doesn't look too good for trolltalk.com trolls, lol!
Check it:
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"Please don't attack me for lying when I might simply be mistaken. If there is some kind of forum on there" - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @05:31PM (#36535156) Journal
QUOTED VERBATIM FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36535156
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LMAO - webmistressrachel knows EXACTLY what's going on there... she's "thick as thieves" with tomhudson is why & I actually think she's tomhudson's sockpuppet!
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* LMAO - MASSIVE FAIL BY TOMHUDSON! Caught lying yet again... lol, by the calendar & Jeremiah Cornelius, another forums troll!
Note to tomhudson - Either:
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1.) Adjust your calendar OR timemachine (lmao)
2.) Quit the damn lies (you too webmistressrachel)
3.) OR admit defeat (lol, YOU LOSE!)
4.) Quit trying to blame your friends/sockpuppets!
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(Your sockpuppets/troll friends? They only make it worse for you, as you tried to say rachel lied about banners on your website, and how you lied now that she only trolled me above... not!)
I shouldn't say they are your friends, there is NO LOVE AMONG DEMONS or lying trolling online scum. I should say your fellow trolls.
Jeremiah Cornelius' words did you in!
Rachel ONLY NOW, lol, suddenly as tomhudson said of her no less, lol, earlier on adbanners on trolltalk.com changed her apology tune quoted here (even though it was quoted on adverts too)!
Now, rachel suddently "changes here tune" from being busted on JC's words quoted above, says:
Please tomhudson - we KNOW you do those for "support":
Your own words quoted below next, on ac replies to stalk & troll me no less, show how you operate, your "std. modus operandi" via ac reply usage & yes, registered users can do those too so don't even think I don't know taht much even though I don't have a reg'd LUSER acc't. here:
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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U can't fool us with those tomhudson - we all know your games here in ac stalker/troller replies per your own words above, now you use them to try to "defend yourself"!
We also know HOW you and countertrolling your sockpuppet downmod others and your trolling team mods each of you up as favors to one another!
As shown by countertrolling on downmod technique to game the mod system here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652
APK
P.S.=> Tomhudson - you are BUSTED on every front!
NOTE - I wish the 4chan freaks would post more clearly though. I had a fairly hard time reading their busted english too!
... apk
Of a "professional rep, yourself... lmao -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2106048&cid=35951822
* YOU RAN WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD CODE, I SAID SHOW ME IT, and you couldn't... lol, YOU RAN!
Proofs in quotes below in fact!
(TOO EASY tomhudson... again, your dumb words DO YOU IN hugely as usual!)
APK
P.S.=> See tom's bullshit evasion here on "professional rep" or things he'd done in CSC related work (he has none, he's a lying bullshit artist who @ best is a webpage maker):
I asked tomhudson to backup his bluster from this link:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35938262
This was his response (his typical bullshit lies "spins", as usual):
"Maybe one of these years I'll install a 3.5 floppy back in the old box and dig out the source. There's actually some code (a vga palette register utility that gives dos screens a choice from a palette of 262,144 colours) that I want to port to linux (plus is should still work under current versions of windows). But keep in mind I have nothing to prove to you, so it's not exactly a priority in my life. And consider yourself blessed that I actually read your post - I really can't make any more time to read much of your crap". - by tomhudson (43916) on Tuesday April 26, @11:40PM (#35949582) Homepage
ROTFLMAO!
* So thank you again for proving to us all that you are nothing more than a lot of talk, lies, and that you are a lying bullshit artist that can't backup his own bullshit tomhudson and with your OWN WORDS no less!
... apk
"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."
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Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61
(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!
Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...
Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3
It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2993462&group_id=199532&atid=969873
AND lastly: http://g-off.net/software/a-python-repeatable-threadingtimer-class [g-off.net] where I got other programmer's work WORKING RIGHT (in PyThon no less, which I just started learning only 2 week ago no less) by showing them how to use a "Dummy Proxy Function" as I call it, to make a RepeatTimer class (Thread sub-class really) to take PARAMETERIZED FUNCTIONS, ala:
def apkthreadlaunch():
getnortonsafeweb(sAPKFileName = "APK_1_NortonSafeWeb360Extracted.txt".rstrip())
a = RepeatTimer(900, apkthreadlaunch) # 900 is 15 minutes... apk
Where it was NOT working for many folks there, before (submitted to the maker of the RepeatTimer class no less, & yes, it WORKS!)
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What do I have to say about that much above? I can't say it any better, than this was stated already (from the greatest book of all time, the "tech manual for life" imo):
"But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." - Corinthians Chapter 10, Verse 10
(And, because I got LUCKY to have been exposed to some really GREAT classmates, professors, & colleagues on the job
I'll let YOUR OWN WORDS prove that, for me, on that account - as usual!
See subject-line above, & these 'choice quotes' of YOURS tomhudson (and my p.s. proves you don't HAVE a professioal rep @ all via your words & lies again also):
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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* 3 strikes YOU'RE OUT tomhudson... outtie!
APK
P.S.=> Not only do you have NOTHING you can show professionally & prove it when asked?
LOL, you RAN WHEN I ASKED YOU TO BACKUP A LOT OF BULLSHIT YOU SAID YOU ACTUALLY COULD PROVE, lol!
See here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36563326
All that, proven there, & again: IN YOUR OWN WORDS, lol... hilarious!
... apk
4chan = l33t not suxorz noob like U n' tomhudsontroll. U cant read 4chan speek. U suxorz!!!
Thus, I don't have to: YOU do that, to yourself, as usual!
Plus, making you look the fool easily vs. your own stupidity documented here so many times, especially this one on computing technicals where I utterly FLOORED you & so many times it's not funny:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2230966&cid=36418796
So, Please:
Dont' flatter yourself that you're worth my time or monies (attorneys and their time CO$T large) for a stalker troll like you...
I mean, why should I?
You make it easy to make a FOOL out of you & with your OWN WORDS, everytime! See link above as an "example thereof"... lol!
tomhudson = HIGHLY "pwn'able", see below - because this gets even funnier! I am having FUN now doing it... about time.
Worst part is? I warned you & I told you I would if you kept up the ac stalker troller replies, & I even tried to make peace even with you twice, but no... you had to be stupid.
Well - So be it then...
That's ALL (the above) In addition to showing others here how YOU operate trolling and stalking me via ac replies designed to harass me:
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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3 times tomhudson? You're a cyberstalker no questions asked, & to expose you in it, cost free? Hehe, I will and have with your own words.
Yes, you're clearly by your OWN WORDS proven a cyberstalker, albeit one I can that I can show how VERY easily (per the 1st url above no less) that I have "pwn'd" so many times on this forums, it's not even funny anymore to me.
It was at first, because you "talk a good game" - I figured "I may have a worthy adversary here"... LOL, not!
SO, when push came to shove and I asked you show you have some work that was published it was so good (as I have many I can show, I only put out a TINY list of my favs, some recent even)?
LMAO - you had ZERO, & you ran... lol, with some bullshit excuse (Heck, I'll even QUOTE you in it too):
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E.G.-> I asked tomhudson to backup his bluster from this link:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35938262
This was his response (his typical bullshit lies "spins", as usual):
"Maybe one of these years I'll install a 3.5 floppy back in the old box and dig out the source. There's actually some code (a vga palette register utility that gives dos screens a choice from a palette of 262,144 colours) that I want to port to linux (plus is should still work under current versions of windows). But keep in mind I ha
Wining is better than losing like you are tomhudson. About time someone kicked your ass around here you creep. I see you got burned on a job and didn't get paid. Why? You're a chump that loses. That's just what you do. You know it. It's why you troll people. So go take your miserable 1 eyed self and go back to troll talk or whatever you call that unknown hole, and stay there. Leave us alone here. Please. Thank you. Good bye, and keep losing troll. You're good at that at least.
Sincerely,
Charlie Sheen
Tomhudson contradicts himself on if his site had adbnners or not:
"Anyone can access the wayback machine at archive.org and see that there has never been a single banner on trolltalk in all the time I've administered it (since May, 2007)." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36544996
vs. this change in tune, later the same day:
"advertising on any of my sites - the only banners I ever ran were for things like" - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @05:18PM (#36547180) Homepage Journal
Well tomhudson, which one is it - Did you run adbanners on your site, or not?
APK
P.S.=> You're burying yourself yet again: First his site didn't have banners, and now suddenly they did? Come on... apk
Tomhudson contradicts himself on if his site had adbanners or not:
"there has never been a single banner on trolltalk in all the time I've administered it (since May, 2007)." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36544996
vs. this later:
"advertising on any of my sites - the only banners I ever ran were for things like" - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @05:18PM (#36547180) Homepage Journal
Well tomhudson, which one is it - Did you run adbanners on your site, or not?
APK
P.S.=> You're burying yourself yet again tom, but that's not the important part here, this is (quoted straight from you once more):
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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Along with your libeling of myself trying to adversely affect my professional reputation also:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35186644... apk
Tomhudson contradicts himself on if his site had adbanners or not:
"there has never been a single banner on trolltalk in all the time I've administered it (since May, 2007)." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36544996
vs. this later:
"... advertising on any of my sites - the only banners I ever ran were for things like..." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @05:18PM (#36547180) Homepage Journal
Well tomhudson, which one is it - Did you run adbanners on your site, or not?
APK
P.S.=> You're burying yourself yet again tom, but that's not the important part here, this is (quoted straight from tomhudson once more and most importantly, the link @ the bottom):
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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Along with your libeling of myself trying to adversely affect my professional reputation also:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35186644
... apk
Tomhudson contradicts himself if his site had adbanners or not:
"there has never been a single banner on trolltalk in all the time I've administered it (since May, 2007)." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @02:36PM (#36544996) Homepage Journal
vs. this later:
"...advertising on any of my sites - the only banners I ever ran were for things like..." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @05:18PM (#36547180) Homepage Journal
Well tomhudson, which one is it - Did you run adbanners on your site, or not?
(First you state explicitly you don't and then you did, see above...)
APK
P.S.=> You're burying yourself yet again tom, but that's not the important part here, this is (quoted straight from you once more):
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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Along with your libeling of myself trying to adversely affect my professional reputation also:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35186644
And that one's just a TINY sampling of it!
... apk
Tomhudson contradicts himself if his site had adbanners or not:
"there has never been a single banner on trolltalk in all the time I've administered it (since May, 2007)." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @02:36PM (#36544996) Homepage Journal
vs. this later:
"...advertising on any of my sites - the only banners I ever ran were for things like..." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @05:18PM (#36547180) Homepage Journal
Well tomhudson, which one is it - Did you run adbanners on your site, or not?
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(First you state explicitly you don't and then you did, see above... how about what your fellow trolltalk.com troll said here next below also?)
"trolltalk isn't a forum anymore. It's an advert for TomHudson's" - by webmistressrachel (903577) on Wednesday June 22, @01:28PM (#36531394) Journal
Funniest part is, tomhudson said she was "trolling me" (is that a polite way to say you trolltalk.com scum lie to other people to "play games" with them?)
* You're trash tomhudson, online TROLLING harassing trash. See below for more on THAT note!
APK
P.S.=> You're burying yourself yet again tom, but that's not the important part here, this is (quoted straight from you once more):
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
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Along with your libeling of myself trying to adversely affect my professional reputation also:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35186644
And that one's just a TINY sampling of it!
... apk
I'm definitely in Charlie Sheen's Korner - cuz if you're not? You're out there with the "TomHudson's" of the world, TROLLS!!!
Mr. Sheen (if this really is you), and you're awesome imo, because you're just being honest (unlike trolls like tomhudson and his pals here) unlike the "plastic worms" people out there living lives of quiet desperation, having to be cowed into submission being fakes all their lives, until it becomes their bogus reality. I feel sorry for people like that, and I don't - we all determine our world. Free your mind, the ass follows.
You're also (going to be blunt here) funny as fucking hell too, lol!
(Dude, people WISH they were you!)
* Loved your work in PLATOON, & I love your "If you're not in Charlie's Korner, then your out there with the TROLLS" & your "trolls need not apply" about winning.com!
APK
P.S.=> Tomhudson the troll from trolltalk.com?
tomhudson has "sheenis envy" as you so eloquently put it, lol... I love it!
Want to see WHY? Man... you KNOW why:
This is me, WINNING (& this is tomhudson the troll, losing (& only a tiny sample thereof no less, I could easily put out double this from my bookmarks)):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2230966&cid=36418796
Get a load of that - it's ALL about WINNING, especially vs. a KNOWN troll around here...
... apk
I get complaints on my style here & there too, but you're leet-speak? It's outta control. Yes, I can decipher it, but... WoW!
* Besides: The LAST thing I need is 4chan on my case, because "been there, done that"... thanks.
APK
P.S.=> Don't get on my back about it, it was just a suggestion... that's all (tell Harm Sorensen I said "hi" - he's 1/2-way ok, & he goes to your place online).
... apk
See my subject line here, and in the post you are being a 'grammar/spelling nazi' about also.
* Quite odd that I spelled it correctly in my subject there, & not in the body of my reply - oh well!
"Fair enough: I stand corrected!"
Man, lol... I am glad you pointed that out! If you didn't? The world would have been on "DEFCON 1", you know??
Happens to us all @ times: To quote my fav. person of all time on that note?
"Let him without sin cast the first stone..."
APK
P.S.=> Time to go do the rest of my gardening, in the rain (muddy, but worth it - linining the beds with stones, which is an excellent "weeds shield" that even functions for decent aesthetics purposes too).
... apk
I said, kill yourself.
Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
3 times tomhudson? It appears you're a cyberstalker.
tomhudson posts dates of quotes show differently here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36563144 tomhudson
cause it seems to me like you are the one doing the cyber-stalking (and at the very least you don't seem to have anything better to do than constantly spam slashdot).
You only GPL code because you use other people's GPL code and you have to. That's not coding. That's using others' work tom. You lose as usual.
None of the code I've GPL'd is a derived work, moron.
YHBT!!!! ROTFLMAO, look at that reaction. So easy to get out of you, foaming at the mouth in effete rage! Nobody believes a word you say anymore tomhudson you cyberstalker http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36572732 where you been shown as a cyberstalker online psycho here and you got caught doing it in your own words quoted, for more than a year now, telling others to join you in it (we're all not nutso like you tomhudson) and despite your accusations/wild claims during your numerous rants here, you could produce proof of your accusations toward others http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36555984 . That person you libeled handed you your ass so many times in technical computing topics http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2230966&cid=36418796 that you are still stinging from it and have stalked and trolled him by ac replies for a year now with your trolltalk.com fellow trolls. Too bad you were all caught lying by posts dates here about trolltalk.com being used as a place you meet in Jeremiah Cornelius' quote here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36557992 vs. webmistressrachel's lies and your own. tomhudson = The boy who cried wolf, tomhudson, busted. You also first said you didn't have adbanners, then that you did on trolltalk.com (the name alone shows anyone you're a troll for Pete's sake, lol) here also http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36567208 no one believes a thing you say. Especially since you and your trolltalk.com friends cheat on the moderation system here in your sockpuppet/fellow troll, countertrolling who shows how you do that here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 and you've been seen with him many times in your journals, and webmistressrachel who was caught in a lie is in his journal here where she was caught in said lie which the post dates burned you and she for here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2250914&cid=36533088 So go away cyberstalking troll. Your own misdeeds and quotes do you in everytime. YHBT too easily and all the links above show you have actually, lmao, trolled yourself through stupidity of your own.
Silly goose, learn to read (and to format your posts properly). I never said I ever had any banners on trolltalk.com.
Nobody believes U get over it tomhudson. No defending yourself from this where you stalk apk hosts file guy here for more than a year which makes tomhudson = cyberstalking psycho as well
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
3x tomhudson, and for over more than a year now? That's been going on from you constantly too (we all see apk's hosts file posts get modded down for no good tech reason too)?
tomhudson = the /. psycho-cyberstalker.
There's also no question you ran after accusing apk of going to trolltalk.com and you could not produce a log, nothing here
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36555984 too.
(Though he was not here, your guilt of cyberstalking him's getting to you, paranoid that every ac reply is *apk*, take you meds already)
The best part was seeing you get caught in this post on dates of the posts made where you deny that trolltalk.com is some place you trolls go (not that anyone cares because it's so unknown and insignificant online) to discuss your stupidity
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36563144
"...advertising on any of my sites - the only banners I ever ran were for things like..." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @05:18PM (#36547180) Homepage Journal
Well tomhudson, which one is it - Did you run adbanners on your sites, or not? Seems you did.
Just like the last poster I am telling you we are all sick of you trolls from trolltalk.com. Don't wonder why we are moderating you down in most of your posts this week either. We have registered user accounts here, but are afraid to use them while we chastize you. Do us a favor, go back and stay there alone (like you do in the real world alone with no man because no man wants you troll).
U said U stalk hostsfileguy apk for over a year http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36576988 though and what disgusted me most was that you and your trolltalk.com friends cheat the moderation system here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36491652 to mod others down with that method and then you mod one another up even if your post sux. I often wondered why good posts got moderated down when people who got the best of you http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2230966&cid=36418796 posted correct useful material.
To legally or professionally assess anyone's personality or sanity (mental state) as you have? Answer that. I do not believe you do, nor have you administered a formal examination of anyone in order to make that determination either, and nor do you have a license to practice in psychiatry (or related fields) unless you say differently. Otherwise, afaik, you are performing more libel here by doing so. I hope you have the sense to call a halt to all of this as was offered you and yours by apk. Your journals with your friends also shows coordination, and your libel of apk about him never working in the industry (computing as he has stated about himself) link below, is libel because it is false and can harm his career, as well as your stating he said hosts files are all you need for security on a computer http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35192078 which he asked you to prove by a quote he actually said that. You never produced such a quote. Tomhudson, big mistakes.
and that means they really need a Computer Engineering/Software Engineering degree.
Not necessarily. Some people (though not all or many) can teach it to themselves through the use of various methods. And, despite this, they actually know what they're doing.
In context - "blind programmers" rarely do more than type out code, etc as specified by some other individual - code monkeys really. Yes, they may be able to do self study to better themselves and get out of that "blind programmer" job; but they would be far more beneficial to the world if they were not a "blind programmer" to start with in that case - in which case, a CE/SE degree would do them best.
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
I was just saying that a degree isn't necessarily needed for someone to learn how to do the job properly and efficiently. Some people can learn without that.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
on HOSTS files then, because they can block adbanners:
"such as I'm doing at http://starmedia.trolltalk.com/ [trolltalk.com] and ran a few banner ads years ago on one of them - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:56PM (#36546134) Homepage
That says it all really tomhudson along with the fact you tried to stalk & troll me by ac replies and stated you were trying to start a cooridinated effort with others to do so, harassing myself:
Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
3 times tomhudson? For over a year now also??
(Appears you've degnerated into a cyberstalker tomhudson, and even trying to get others to do it with you in your own words as shown above)
See professional help of somekind... because you didn't do very well @ it as your tomhudson account as shown below:
TOM HUDSON'S "FAIL LIST" ON DISPROVING MY POINTS ON HOSTS FILES NUMEROUS TIMES:
(Since HOSTS can block adverts online/adbanners so you get more speed, &, so you are protected vs. malicious content in online adbanners also)
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tomhudson bullshit on HOSTS is outnumbered 30:1 vs. apk evidences:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35847946
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tomhudson BURNED on DNS vs. HOSTS and CPU cycles/memory & more used on HIS "ideas" vs. HOSTS vs. apk's ideas:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2087330&cid=35879374
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tomhudson BURNED & RAN on HOSTS vs. VIRUSES vs. myself yet again:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2088808&cid=35877448
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tomhudson says "hosts are so 90's" & apk's fellow RESPECTED security person wrote a noted article on them in 2009: (based on his readings of MY posts in forums no less)
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2088808&cid=35876806
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You're also libeling myself yet again & lying:
"I have never libeled you, APK. Everything I have written about him is the truth." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:56PM (#36546134) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36546134
No it is not tomhudson, & that's more lies + libel of myself.
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You have stated here on this forum publicly I have ne
on HOSTS files then, because they can block adbanners, obviously & better than other tools do like adblock (email is covered too in programs like outlook by HOSTS for example):
"such as I'm doing at http://starmedia.trolltalk.com/ and ran a few banner ads years ago on one of them - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:56PM (#36546134) Homepage
FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36546134
That says it all really tomhudson along with the fact you tried to stalk & troll me by ac replies and stated you were trying to start a cooridinated effort with others to do so, harassing myself:
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tomhudson libelling myself in regards to my professional career:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35186644
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You're also libeling myself yet again & lying:
"I have never libeled you, APK. Everything I have written about him is the truth." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:56PM (#36546134) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36546134
No it is not tomhudson, & that's more lies + libel of myself.
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You have stated here on this forum publicly I have never worked in this industry:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35192078
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And that my programs are only front ends to various things:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35840802
Yet another utter lie (and libel designed to harm my career obviously).
Some are of course, & so what? Many, in fact MOST, are not.
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You have said I live with my parents & other things designed to harm my reputation here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35840802
Another lie. I own my own home paid in full. You are a person with severe issues of somekind I am certain of this by this point.
APK
P.S.=> The list goes on, but as anyone can see reading you have issues, and that you have done so by using anonymous coward replies to harass myself as well:
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
3 times tomhudson? F
See subject-line, says it all.
Because they can block adbanners & he's a webmaster, obviously & better than other tools do like adblock (email is covered too in programs like outlook by HOSTS for example):
"such as I'm doing at http://starmedia.trolltalk.com/ and ran a few banner ads years ago on one of them - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:56PM (#36546134) Homepage
FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36546134
That says it all really tomhudson along with the fact you tried to stalk & troll me by ac replies and stated you were trying to start a cooridinated effort with others to do so, harassing myself:
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tomhudson libelling myself in regards to my professional career:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35186644
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You're also libeling myself yet again & lying:
"I have never libeled you, APK. Everything I have written about him is the truth." - by tomhudson (43916) on Thursday June 23, @03:56PM (#36546134) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2263468&cid=36546134
No it is not tomhudson, & that's more lies + libel of myself.
---
You have stated here on this forum publicly I have never worked in this industry:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1992296&cid=35192078
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And that my programs are only front ends to various things:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35840802
Yet another utter lie (and libel designed to harm my career obviously).
Some are of course, & so what? Many, in fact MOST, are not.
---
You have said I live with my parents & other things designed to harm my reputation here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35840802
Another lie. I own my own home paid in full. You are a person with severe issues of somekind I am certain of this by this point.
APK
P.S.=> The list goes on, but as anyone can see reading you have issues, and that you have done so by using anonymous coward replies to harass myself as well:
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Wait until he starts on another kick, then reply to him as an AC. It's the new meme. - by tomhudson (43916) on Sunday May 09 2010, @08:29PM (#32150544) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1646272&cid=32150544
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HOWTO: trolling the hosts file guy in one easy step
The next time you see a post by him, just reply anonymously. And to really mess with his head, reply anonymously to your anonymous post, disagreeing with your first anon post (extra points if you claim in the second post that you're him - that REALLY sets him off). He'll accuse you of being me by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @01:38PM (#35841122) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086424&cid=35841122
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if you're going to tell this guy to stop spamming his hosts file crap, make sure you do it anonymously by tomhudson (43916) on Saturday April 16, @12:45PM (#35840680) Homepage Journal
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2086920&cid=35840680
3 times tomhudson?
Agreed.
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
anything that allows you to live? Answer that. I do not believe you do. Please to be killing yourself now. Thanks.