"What I'm saying is very simple: No, between.3 and.4, OSS had very little to do with the development, contrary to what is being claimed here by the original poster."
My point was more to do with how much money was spent on marketing rather than active development. The FOSS point I admit is secondary and rightly does not change much between.3 and.4. What I question is whether it is really in the long-term interests of Apple users.
Why was my original post was marked as flamebait? It was a serious point. Was that mod a devoted Apple user by any chance who has just spent all his spare cash on Tiger and is still coming to terms with it?
"According to court documents, over the last year Apple has spent over $50 million to orchestrate a carefully planned marketing campaign and product launch of Mac OS X 10.4."
Considering how much FOSS there is in OS X, surely more has been spent on advertising OS X than has been directly spent on developing OS X between.3 and.4.
The Moral of the Story is that if you want companies that use your code to share all the modifications with you then use the GPL.
There is a fashion of trying to be clever and use other licences that do not protect fully you. This is naïve. Condoms are boring but give the most protection. The GPL may seem boring but it has a proven track record that and it has been challenged but never been defeated in court.
Apple took advantage of the LGPL and didn't share all the modifications: had KHTML been licenced under the GPL, they wouldn't have be able to do that.
I have the TES in front of me but it doesn't really give much detail. Many of the posts on this thread have moved onto American Schools, which is fine and important, but the Article was about British Schools.
When I was at school,the RM Nimbus (!) seemed to a monopoly but at lunch time you could basically do whatever you wanted to them, they were not re imaged and all had different combinations of software. We learned a lot using DOS and if we were lucky you could type win and Windows 3 might pop up.
Nowadays 'ICT' is a big thing in British schools and they put the poor kids in front of MS Office at an early age. As a teacher, school trips and outside exercise might get you in court so putting them in front of a PC is a relaxing hour for the teacher if the kids just get on with playing flash games and educating themselves about the human form using Google Images.
I have to say that considering how much more money that gets spent on computers, I think it is disappointing that the students are just taught how to use Office Software as if computers were magical black boxes that run office suites that come from heaven.
At University and in business they will be bored stiff typing in Word it would be more useful and more inspirational to teach them how to do more interesting stuff and broaden their minds, e.g. Artificial Intelligence Robots, Website creation, scripting. Kids can pick up this stuff because they think in the same insolated and literal way as computers
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I could see that Microsoft would give free stuff to schools if pushed to it. However eventually there will come a point where everyone has Microsoft over a barrel and they will have to start saying no.
Don't forget that Star Office is being offered free to schools and some of the free-libre-open-source tenders that go to schools are increasingly being signed off by big companies like IBM/Red Hat etc. Remember that no one was ever fired for buying IBM!
Not to mention that it is more community focused for say Springfield High School to work with the local Springfield Yellow-Head Consortium than with big evil American Company Brand X.
I don't believe that anyone who masters GNU/Linux will ever get stuck at a Windows box; they will be much more confident sorting out Windows problems, especially if they were encouraged to use bash (which is also similar to MSFT's BASH clone MSH).
A local consortium or benevolent LUG can provide a complete GNU/Linux solution which makes use of both new and existing hardware combined. Most distros are backwardly compatible to old computers, even with Pentium Is - albeit with a cholesterol free Windows manager.
Try running Windows XP across old x86 computers, not to mention any old Apples or Unix machines that are lying around!
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The more schools think of switching, the more Microsoft will try and make deals. However they can't advertise or lobby over the fact that getting all your software free is a good deal. They may able to do so in some places some of the time. However the UK is a varied place with big differences between regions, some will break away completely and act as beacons for the rest.
Tony Blair is a rather weakened figure - the rest of the Labour party don't understand his desire to big business involved in schools and Tony no longer has the power to rule the world from his sofa. The Jamie Oliver/Supersize Me effect on school food has already led to many companies being sent packing out of school; there is no reason why Microsoft can hope to flee the coming wrath....
If a school switches to GNU/Linux then Microsoft loses the network effect; if Microsoft gives increasingly bigger discounts/freebies then everytime sets a precedent. Here we have laws about deals and discount pricing and so on, and if one school if offered free/cheaper copies then others will not stand by and pay full price. Either way MSFT loses.
Yes it has 40 billion in the bank but that cannot buy you
On some parts of continental Europe the benefits would be even higher than Australia.
I think in Britain you might be able to get away with writing code as job development but the "Job Seekers Allowance" is actually only £30 a week or something (although you would get housing and council tax benefit which would pay your rent etc).
There is already a benefit called "New Deal for Musicians" where they basically accept that the music industry would collapse without the doll (even more reason for a creative commons type music world where local musicans could make money from local live shows).
Could you really code on £30 a week plus rent? Once you include the broadband and beer required to make software, you would not have much left. Although the IBM people might get a redundancy check and if they have paid enough National Insurance then they might get more unemployment benefits.
It is actually really cool that you noticed that. I will be keeping an eye on those feeds now; they have potential for finding lots of interesting slips and changes.
Maybe someone really smart knows a way to make a cron automatically compare the differences with the HTML page and give me a list?
Er what? Trolls for Christ, You are a bit weird I have to say. You also are a bit tasteless; this being a thread about people losing their jobs.
What would Jesus do? He wouldn't troll Slashdot thats for sure, he would sell his domain names and computers and give the money to the poor.
RTFB! You weirdo.
Yeah thats pretty sad.
IBM eventually will not produce any hardware but instead subcontract everything to outside cheap labour.
Whether people will be laid off from the software side too is an interesting question.
I bet they will exceed US broadband connections but the vast majority of Spam will still come from Americans albeit often and increasingly re-routed through Russia, Eastern Europe, Nigeria etc.
States like the US, and their unregulated allies, constitute an axis of spam, emailing to threaten the inboxes of the world. By seeking people to buy viagra and sign of for credit cards, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger.
>A decent Linux setup doesn't require anywhere near that much.
No Fedora is really the king of bloat, it is not designed to be backwardly compatible. I did try to run Fedora on an old box and it was a disaster. Having set that I still think Fedora is well worth considering at say 256MB or more, I have never found hardware problems with it.
>it's using 14M on my system.
LOL, I think here they mean GNU/Linux rather than just the kernel, you can't do much with just the kernel. The kernel is pretty fat, hopefully Hurd/L4 will get going one day...
> I doubt any modern version of Linux would be any better than Windows XP with only 128MB of memory.
I disagree, Windows XP is a dog at anything under 512MB, however I have an old laptop where the latest Gentoo happily runs at 64MB (although it took a week to install). The latest Slackware runs good too.
The great thing is that you can cut your cloth according to your hardware, Gnome for a megabeast, XFCE for older hardware and Ratpoison if you want to be really cool. By using a goo with a smaller memory footprint you can save quite a lot of RAM.
With Windows there is no way to keep older hardware going because it is unsupported by Microsoft. With tender loving care, Computers can run far longer than five years. The environmental damage of throwing a perfectly working computer in the bin is unacceptable.
Increasingly I think that computers will increasingly be made more sturdy (at least in the EU where the law is changing to make the manufacturers responsible for the cost of disposal) and boxes will keep moving much faster through several owners, starting off in a business, then a rich western house, then a student, then a two-thirds world student etc.
Thats cool, can you make it work in an Emacs buffer too?;)
I tend to download the latest one of these (the bottom) every so often and import it into adblock:
http://www.geocities.com/pierceive/adblock/
That guy deserves a knighthood.
Extreme Adblocking is cool. Uninstalling Flash works well too. Often I have enough of all images and fire up lynx or elinks.
The Internet is a hypertext medium, I want text, not flashy graphics or cola ads.
According to the link:
"The SDKs are not available to the general public but are open to bona-fide software development companies or individuals"
I find that statement interesting due to the lack of sense. What is the difference between a bona-fide software development individual and a member of the general public?
Before you laugh it me, think about it a minute. No one is going to bother to download it unless they are able to understand it therefore they program to some extent.
Bona fide - in good faith, does not actually reduce the group at all or mean a lot in this context. There is a strong possibility that other conditions are applied later. However I do dislike how with multi-national big-business, words lose any sense of meaning at all.
It is interesting with companies like AMD, Nvidia or HP Printers etc who have made competitive advantage out of catering (to some extent at least) to GNU/Linux/BSD and other ubergeeks.
I suspect the average person who supports Free Software buys way more than the average amount of hardware and gadgets. We also read things like this and vote with our feet.
At some point the balance will swing enough to make a real difference to the profit line - if we are not at that point already.
The days of begging for drivers are past; the time of punishment for lazy manufacturers has begun. Seems no-one told Nikon to flee from the coming wrath..
It might be worth emailing the producers for a script, that would be quicker than sitting down with a pen and paper and trying to scribble down the words.
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"What I'm saying is very simple: No, between .3 and .4, OSS had very little to do with the development, contrary to what is being claimed here by the original poster."
.3 and .4. What I question is whether it is really in the long-term interests of Apple users.
My point was more to do with how much money was spent on marketing rather than active development. The FOSS point I admit is secondary and rightly does not change much between
Why was my original post was marked as flamebait? It was a serious point. Was that mod a devoted Apple user by any chance who has just spent all his spare cash on Tiger and is still coming to terms with it?
"According to court documents, over the last year Apple has spent over $50 million to orchestrate a carefully planned marketing campaign and product launch of Mac OS X 10.4."
.3 and .4.
Considering how much FOSS there is in OS X, surely more has been spent on advertising OS X than has been directly spent on developing OS X between
The Moral of the Story is that if you want companies that use your code to share all the modifications with you then use the GPL.
There is a fashion of trying to be clever and use other licences that do not protect fully you. This is naïve. Condoms are boring but give the most protection. The GPL may seem boring but it has a proven track record that and it has been challenged but never been defeated in court.
Apple took advantage of the LGPL and didn't share all the modifications: had KHTML been licenced under the GPL, they wouldn't have be able to do that.
Remember that the GPL is God's Preferred Licence.
I have the TES in front of me but it doesn't really give much detail. Many of the posts on this thread have moved onto American Schools, which is fine and important, but the Article was about British Schools.
When I was at school,the RM Nimbus (!) seemed to a monopoly but at lunch time you could basically do whatever you wanted to them, they were not re imaged and all had different combinations of software. We learned a lot using DOS and if we were lucky you could type win and Windows 3 might pop up.
Nowadays 'ICT' is a big thing in British schools and they put the poor kids in front of MS Office at an early age. As a teacher, school trips and outside exercise might get you in court so putting them in front of a PC is a relaxing hour for the teacher if the kids just get on with playing flash games and educating themselves about the human form using Google Images.
I have to say that considering how much more money that gets spent on computers, I think it is disappointing that the students are just taught how to use Office Software as if computers were magical black boxes that run office suites that come from heaven.
At University and in business they will be bored stiff typing in Word it would be more useful and more inspirational to teach them how to do more interesting stuff and broaden their minds, e.g. Artificial Intelligence Robots, Website creation, scripting. Kids can pick up this stuff because they think in the same insolated and literal way as computers
---------------
I could see that Microsoft would give free stuff to schools if pushed to it. However eventually there will come a point where everyone has Microsoft over a barrel and they will have to start saying no.
Don't forget that Star Office is being offered free to schools and some of the free-libre-open-source tenders that go to schools are increasingly being signed off by big companies like IBM/Red Hat etc. Remember that no one was ever fired for buying IBM!
Not to mention that it is more community focused for say Springfield High School to work with the local Springfield Yellow-Head Consortium than with big evil American Company Brand X.
I don't believe that anyone who masters GNU/Linux will ever get stuck at a Windows box; they will be much more confident sorting out Windows problems, especially if they were encouraged to use bash (which is also similar to MSFT's BASH clone MSH).
A local consortium or benevolent LUG can provide a complete GNU/Linux solution which makes use of both new and existing hardware combined. Most distros are backwardly compatible to old computers, even with Pentium Is - albeit with a cholesterol free Windows manager.
Try running Windows XP across old x86 computers, not to mention any old Apples or Unix machines that are lying around!
---------------
The more schools think of switching, the more Microsoft will try and make deals. However they can't advertise or lobby over the fact that getting all your software free is a good deal. They may able to do so in some places some of the time. However the UK is a varied place with big differences between regions, some will break away completely and act as beacons for the rest.
Tony Blair is a rather weakened figure - the rest of the Labour party don't understand his desire to big business involved in schools and Tony no longer has the power to rule the world from his sofa. The Jamie Oliver/Supersize Me effect on school food has already led to many companies being sent packing out of school; there is no reason why Microsoft can hope to flee the coming wrath....
If a school switches to GNU/Linux then Microsoft loses the network effect; if Microsoft gives increasingly bigger discounts/freebies then everytime sets a precedent. Here we have laws about deals and discount pricing and so on, and if one school if offered free/cheaper copies then others will not stand by and pay full price. Either way MSFT loses.
Yes it has 40 billion in the bank but that cannot buy you
LOL, you are not correcting my grammar, that is a (mis)quote from George W. Bush, sorry you didn't get the joke (dodgy British humour).
On some parts of continental Europe the benefits would be even higher than Australia. I think in Britain you might be able to get away with writing code as job development but the "Job Seekers Allowance" is actually only £30 a week or something (although you would get housing and council tax benefit which would pay your rent etc). There is already a benefit called "New Deal for Musicians" where they basically accept that the music industry would collapse without the doll (even more reason for a creative commons type music world where local musicans could make money from local live shows). Could you really code on £30 a week plus rent? Once you include the broadband and beer required to make software, you would not have much left. Although the IBM people might get a redundancy check and if they have paid enough National Insurance then they might get more unemployment benefits.
It is actually really cool that you noticed that. I will be keeping an eye on those feeds now; they have potential for finding lots of interesting slips and changes. Maybe someone really smart knows a way to make a cron automatically compare the differences with the HTML page and give me a list?
Er what? Trolls for Christ, You are a bit weird I have to say. You also are a bit tasteless; this being a thread about people losing their jobs. What would Jesus do? He wouldn't troll Slashdot thats for sure, he would sell his domain names and computers and give the money to the poor. RTFB! You weirdo.
Yeah thats pretty sad. IBM eventually will not produce any hardware but instead subcontract everything to outside cheap labour. Whether people will be laid off from the software side too is an interesting question.
I bet they will exceed US broadband connections but the vast majority of Spam will still come from Americans albeit often and increasingly re-routed through Russia, Eastern Europe, Nigeria etc. States like the US, and their unregulated allies, constitute an axis of spam, emailing to threaten the inboxes of the world. By seeking people to buy viagra and sign of for credit cards, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger.
Is America still the land of the free? Apparently not...
>A decent Linux setup doesn't require anywhere near that much.
No Fedora is really the king of bloat, it is not designed to be backwardly compatible. I did try to run Fedora on an old box and it was a disaster. Having set that I still think Fedora is well worth considering at say 256MB or more, I have never found hardware problems with it.
>it's using 14M on my system.
LOL, I think here they mean GNU/Linux rather than just the kernel, you can't do much with just the kernel. The kernel is pretty fat, hopefully Hurd/L4 will get going one day...
> I doubt any modern version of Linux would be any better than Windows XP with only 128MB of memory.
I disagree, Windows XP is a dog at anything under 512MB, however I have an old laptop where the latest Gentoo happily runs at 64MB (although it took a week to install). The latest Slackware runs good too.
The great thing is that you can cut your cloth according to your hardware, Gnome for a megabeast, XFCE for older hardware and Ratpoison if you want to be really cool. By using a goo with a smaller memory footprint you can save quite a lot of RAM.
With Windows there is no way to keep older hardware going because it is unsupported by Microsoft. With tender loving care, Computers can run far longer than five years. The environmental damage of throwing a perfectly working computer in the bin is unacceptable.
Increasingly I think that computers will increasingly be made more sturdy (at least in the EU where the law is changing to make the manufacturers responsible for the cost of disposal) and boxes will keep moving much faster through several owners, starting off in a business, then a rich western house, then a student, then a two-thirds world student etc.
Thats cool, can you make it work in an Emacs buffer too? ;)
I tend to download the latest one of these (the bottom) every so often and import it into adblock:
http://www.geocities.com/pierceive/adblock/
That guy deserves a knighthood.
Extreme Adblocking is cool. Uninstalling Flash works well too. Often I have enough of all images and fire up lynx or elinks. The Internet is a hypertext medium, I want text, not flashy graphics or cola ads.
This may explain Microsoft's decision to further support PNG format in the Internet Explorer 7 Beta.
According to the link: "The SDKs are not available to the general public but are open to bona-fide software development companies or individuals" I find that statement interesting due to the lack of sense. What is the difference between a bona-fide software development individual and a member of the general public? Before you laugh it me, think about it a minute. No one is going to bother to download it unless they are able to understand it therefore they program to some extent. Bona fide - in good faith, does not actually reduce the group at all or mean a lot in this context. There is a strong possibility that other conditions are applied later. However I do dislike how with multi-national big-business, words lose any sense of meaning at all.
It is interesting with companies like AMD, Nvidia or HP Printers etc who have made competitive advantage out of catering (to some extent at least) to GNU/Linux/BSD and other ubergeeks. I suspect the average person who supports Free Software buys way more than the average amount of hardware and gadgets. We also read things like this and vote with our feet. At some point the balance will swing enough to make a real difference to the profit line - if we are not at that point already. The days of begging for drivers are past; the time of punishment for lazy manufacturers has begun. Seems no-one told Nikon to flee from the coming wrath..
It might be worth emailing the producers for a script, that would be quicker than sitting down with a pen and paper and trying to scribble down the words.