OK, having read enough of your (wrong) comments, I think your problem is you think that each side of the breaker box is its own phase. This is not the case. The rows alternate, and that two pole breaker is actually 240V line-to-line. Once again, go stick a multimeter in your oven socket if you don't believe it.
No. In the United States (I assume this is what you mean by America, which is not a country), the breakers in your panel alternate poles by row. So if you have a two-pole breaker, it is connected to two poles and DOES supply 208/230V power (depending on whether you have two pole or three pole service). If you actually did what you proposed, and open up your panel, you would see that the bus-bars are fingered and rows 1,3,5,7,9 (ie odd numbered breakers) are Phase A, and even breakers are Phase B. If your panel is properly labeled, this should be clear from the sticker inside the cover. Go ahead and stick a multi-meter in your dryer socket if you don't believe me.
Sigh. Okay, I am not an electrical engineer by license, but from an EE degree and EIT, I think I know how a meter works.
or the green metal box if you live in an apartment complex
Whether you have a pole or pad mounted transformer has more to do with the utility than the load size unless you are talking >400 amp service.
your air conditioner draws from one phase.
I am more familiar with commercial units, but I would be shocked if most residential units did not use 2-pole wiring for auxiliary heat, and probably the compressor.
It is supplied by a double breaker on the same leg, so in actuality it has two 110 volt lines coming to it.
Phases in standard US breaker boxes alternate by row. So no, a two pole breaker uses (gasp) two poles.
One of the hot wires supplies the air conditioners compressor and the other supplies the motor which turns the fan.
Again, at least with commercial units, the compressor would be line-to-line, and the fan would be line-to-neutral on a shared pole with the compressor. I just looked up a Trane residential unit and it is rated 208/230/1/60. So still two pole single phase.
Anyway, if you were to pull your meter
(almost always) Property of the utility. Not to mention it may be upstream of any disconnects you have access to. Do not pull the meter for risk of death, injury, and/or monetary/legal penalties.
you will see that the socket for your meter doesn't tie at all into the neutral line.
Right. Because the neutral is not a power source. It cannot supply you with power. In fact, in most cases it is electrically the same as ground.
On either side of the neutral line are two, (four total), slots for your meter to attach to.
Yeah. Two per pole, one in, one out. This is how series circuits work.
It is not attached to the neutral leg at all - it is not reading how much power you are actually using.
Wrong. It reads current and the angle between current and voltage. From the angle you can get a power factor, and determine what your power usage is. The neutral is irrelevant.
Therefore, the meter is only reading the two phases, comparing them - subtracting one from the other.
What on earth are you talking about? Subtracting the currents?
I talked about amps to simplify things.
You talked about amps because (clearly) you know a tiny bit, but not enough to actually know how your meter works.
The ac voltage arriving at your house is pretty much a regulated constant with the exception of occasional surges, blackouts and brownouts. Every part of your household electrical system is designed to function at the voltage supplied to your house. Look inside your breaker panel, every breaker is rated in amps. The wiring in your house is rated in amps. Therefore the only thing that is a variable is how much current is drawn through the system. I assumed people would see this was obvious.
You are overlooking resistive and reactive load qualities. You only get charged (on residential loads everywhere I'm familiar with) for resistive loads.
Why do you think that the hundred-year-old utility has not designed a proper meter? I am baffled. Years of engineering went into making your meter the awesome and inexpensive piece of equipment that it is. To think that you could come along and "cheat" somehow is just idiotic. Feel free to correct/argue any of the points above, please. If I have overlooked something, let me know.
The hang up is the sort of race-based round-ups which have occurred in the past, and which some advocate today. The CDC can easily obtain general area-related racial statistics without involving the census. The purpose of the census is purely to record population. And sickle cell is not a contagious disease, so it hardly needs "controlling". I cannot think of a reasonably high profile (eg actually worrisome) contagious disease which is strongly race-influenced in its effects or infection rate.
PS Clearly you don't know much about economics. Regardless of which names are on the payment, it is the people of Russia who want to consume a product, making said "wheel greasing" worthwhile. Even assuming that the company was somehow illegitimately manifest in a country (according to that country's laws), if the population consumes the products of said company, then is it really some fault of the company that it found a market to thrive in? Companies are dumb money-hungry entities which follow the dollars. If the majority of Russians thought McDonalds was an abomination there would be no McDonalds in Russia, and bribes would have nothing to do with it. Bribes are merely a sign of fucked up governance, and when they become de facto, they are essentially unilaterally instigated. Go ahead and try to open up a shop in Russia, and tell me if you feel like you were mutually responsible for all of the bribes you were *forced* to pay to get you paperwork anywhere.
The people of Russia? With food they will eat? Or are you implying that the Russian Government has a vested interest in keeping McDonalds out? In which case, this sounds like a corrupt government, not a corrupt company.
You can. But if you neighbor wants to buy McDonalds, it is not your right to deny him his disgusting grease-patty. McDonalds would not be everywhere if people everywhere didn't want McDonalds. How are they "forcing" their shit food on your country when it is your own countrymen who are buying it? Sounds to me like your countrymen imported it. Do you claim that Brazil is forcing cane sugar on you? China is forcing coal on you? Maybe the middle east is forcing oil on you?
McDonalds is only appearing in Russia because
A) The Russian government allows it.
B) The Russian people eat it.
C) McDonalds is not culturally opposed to Russia.
Same goes for any other country/company (except for those nasty fruit companies who used the United States to overthrow various Central and South American governments). If everyone in country X wanted to live "the old life" and have nothing to do with electricity/microwaves/computers/KFC, they would be welcome to it. "Modern capitalism" is spread by consumerism, not by some patriarchy.
I'm sure they have a rudimentary OS in the rover, which likely remains unchanged. They probably designed the rovers with future updates in mind, and fail-safes for bad flashes due to solar interference, etc.
Even if not, NASA presumably designed a very simple earth communications interface to be a separate system from the mechanical controller, so even if the robot gets stuck in a loop or something there is a from-earth reset button.
See current USA government healthcare. It is actually great at coming in "on budget, being efficient, and not letting anyone slip through the cracks". While the funding is FUBAR, this is not medicare/medicaid's fault. Its funding is defined by Congress, and the programs actually make do extremely well (given they don't have enough money to actually cover the services they offer).
I would have a very hard time thinking about every letter I type. I type words, not letters:) Try it right now. Thinking about the letters will get you to forget what your word/sentence/whole thought was.
Yeah. While we're at it, lets abolish fire departments and police stations. It's not fair that I'm being forced to help some dude down the street when his house is on fire or some old lady when she gets robbed and shoved and breaks her hip.
Seriously... All government services are meant for the betterment of society, and picking and choosing which ones you use is the tragedy of the commons at work. It is in everyone's best interest to maintain a healthy and productive workforce.
I will point out that premiums will likely rise, and would even with the public option. But this is because the insurers would have to practice fair coverage, and not attempt to deny coverage to anyone who actually gets sick. The way things are in the US right now, insurance companies have entire departments focused on finding reasons to deny coverage to paying customers, and only pull out their findings if said paying customers become a burden. This drives down the company's costs and dumps the sick people on society. 3
In Massachusetts (if I remember correctly) benefits are 50% of your weekly income in your previous job, up to $300/week. And this only lasts for a few months. I'm not sure what states have better unemployment insurance than MA, but my guess is very few. So I call shenanigans on the grandparent.
I'm not sure about these days, but it used to be that the clock rate for chips was roughly based on substrate impurities. A less pure substrate was more prone to heat up, and had to me throttled down. The top-of-the-line chips were from batches of exceptional substrate quality.
Also, AMD has designed their current lineup with independent cores they can disable (selling a 4-core chip as a 3-core chip when one is defective). This helps yields, which are very important for their bottom line. The 'unlocking' craze for AMD exists because sometimes they disable the core to meet market demand (they have much higher yields on their current lines than most people would have expected), so sometimes your locked core can actually be made to work! But you can bet your but the mechanism would never have been designed had it not helped yield in the first place.
Actually the primary focus of the bill is to prevent denials of coverage, so a government run insurance program would have the exact same pool of insured people as the private insurers, baring any economic factors (ie subsidies, premium differences). I lived in Florida up until recently, and yes, their property insurer was terribly designed. But the problem was that private insurers could decide to dump covered property on the state.
Assuming a non-profit government health insurer required to run a balanced budget, the insurance companies would have a much harder time gouging, which is a risk when mandating coverage for everyone. Of course, the coverage mandate is economically implied by any attempt to prevent refusing coverage because of pre-existing conditions, or dropping coverage though the current shady methods used by the industry.
I have used ClamAV for years and have never had this problem. I will point out:
A) Deleting an executable without knowing what it is is stupid.
B) Given that said executable is missing, it should be exceedingly simply to copy it from another machine, or the windows rescue disk.
Except Tom Bombadil was a bane unto the original books. Tom Bombadil getting cut was a present to humanity.
Beorn, on the other hand, was a popular character. And much easier to script:)
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IMO the only distinction between TV and a monitor at this point is the tuner. I do check e-mail on the HTPC, and sometimes even read the news or do some work, though I doubt this is a market to tap. I didn't read TFA until now, and thought the device was more of a boxee gateway for the tech impaired.
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OK, having read enough of your (wrong) comments, I think your problem is you think that each side of the breaker box is its own phase. This is not the case. The rows alternate, and that two pole breaker is actually 240V line-to-line. Once again, go stick a multimeter in your oven socket if you don't believe it.
No. In the United States (I assume this is what you mean by America, which is not a country), the breakers in your panel alternate poles by row. So if you have a two-pole breaker, it is connected to two poles and DOES supply 208/230V power (depending on whether you have two pole or three pole service). If you actually did what you proposed, and open up your panel, you would see that the bus-bars are fingered and rows 1,3,5,7,9 (ie odd numbered breakers) are Phase A, and even breakers are Phase B. If your panel is properly labeled, this should be clear from the sticker inside the cover. Go ahead and stick a multi-meter in your dryer socket if you don't believe me.
or the green metal box if you live in an apartment complex
Whether you have a pole or pad mounted transformer has more to do with the utility than the load size unless you are talking >400 amp service.
your air conditioner draws from one phase.
I am more familiar with commercial units, but I would be shocked if most residential units did not use 2-pole wiring for auxiliary heat, and probably the compressor.
It is supplied by a double breaker on the same leg, so in actuality it has two 110 volt lines coming to it.
Phases in standard US breaker boxes alternate by row. So no, a two pole breaker uses (gasp) two poles.
One of the hot wires supplies the air conditioners compressor and the other supplies the motor which turns the fan.
Again, at least with commercial units, the compressor would be line-to-line, and the fan would be line-to-neutral on a shared pole with the compressor. I just looked up a Trane residential unit and it is rated 208/230/1/60. So still two pole single phase.
Anyway, if you were to pull your meter
(almost always) Property of the utility. Not to mention it may be upstream of any disconnects you have access to. Do not pull the meter for risk of death, injury, and/or monetary/legal penalties.
you will see that the socket for your meter doesn't tie at all into the neutral line.
Right. Because the neutral is not a power source. It cannot supply you with power. In fact, in most cases it is electrically the same as ground.
On either side of the neutral line are two, (four total), slots for your meter to attach to.
Yeah. Two per pole, one in, one out. This is how series circuits work.
It is not attached to the neutral leg at all - it is not reading how much power you are actually using.
Wrong. It reads current and the angle between current and voltage. From the angle you can get a power factor, and determine what your power usage is. The neutral is irrelevant.
Therefore, the meter is only reading the two phases, comparing them - subtracting one from the other.
What on earth are you talking about? Subtracting the currents?
I talked about amps to simplify things.
You talked about amps because (clearly) you know a tiny bit, but not enough to actually know how your meter works.
The ac voltage arriving at your house is pretty much a regulated constant with the exception of occasional surges, blackouts and brownouts. Every part of your household electrical system is designed to function at the voltage supplied to your house. Look inside your breaker panel, every breaker is rated in amps. The wiring in your house is rated in amps. Therefore the only thing that is a variable is how much current is drawn through the system. I assumed people would see this was obvious.
You are overlooking resistive and reactive load qualities. You only get charged (on residential loads everywhere I'm familiar with) for resistive loads.
Why do you think that the hundred-year-old utility has not designed a proper meter? I am baffled. Years of engineering went into making your meter the awesome and inexpensive piece of equipment that it is. To think that you could come along and "cheat" somehow is just idiotic. Feel free to correct/argue any of the points above, please. If I have overlooked something, let me know.
The hang up is the sort of race-based round-ups which have occurred in the past, and which some advocate today. The CDC can easily obtain general area-related racial statistics without involving the census. The purpose of the census is purely to record population. And sickle cell is not a contagious disease, so it hardly needs "controlling". I cannot think of a reasonably high profile (eg actually worrisome) contagious disease which is strongly race-influenced in its effects or infection rate.
PS Clearly you don't know much about economics. Regardless of which names are on the payment, it is the people of Russia who want to consume a product, making said "wheel greasing" worthwhile. Even assuming that the company was somehow illegitimately manifest in a country (according to that country's laws), if the population consumes the products of said company, then is it really some fault of the company that it found a market to thrive in? Companies are dumb money-hungry entities which follow the dollars. If the majority of Russians thought McDonalds was an abomination there would be no McDonalds in Russia, and bribes would have nothing to do with it. Bribes are merely a sign of fucked up governance, and when they become de facto, they are essentially unilaterally instigated. Go ahead and try to open up a shop in Russia, and tell me if you feel like you were mutually responsible for all of the bribes you were *forced* to pay to get you paperwork anywhere.
The people of Russia? With food they will eat? Or are you implying that the Russian Government has a vested interest in keeping McDonalds out? In which case, this sounds like a corrupt government, not a corrupt company.
real answer: really fucking heavy
lol. Already posted here or I would mod you up. Readers please mod up the parent.
A) The RIAA made ~$22,000 per song in RIAA v Tenenbaum, which is the only case I'm aware of that has actually gone to court.
B) You are incoherent. How does the RIAA have anything to do with your countrymen eating terrible fast food?
C) Very few people anywhere like the RIAA. Most people have no idea what it is, and most people who do know are angry geek types.
You can. But if you neighbor wants to buy McDonalds, it is not your right to deny him his disgusting grease-patty. McDonalds would not be everywhere if people everywhere didn't want McDonalds. How are they "forcing" their shit food on your country when it is your own countrymen who are buying it? Sounds to me like your countrymen imported it. Do you claim that Brazil is forcing cane sugar on you? China is forcing coal on you? Maybe the middle east is forcing oil on you?
McDonalds is only appearing in Russia because
A) The Russian government allows it.
B) The Russian people eat it.
C) McDonalds is not culturally opposed to Russia.
Same goes for any other country/company (except for those nasty fruit companies who used the United States to overthrow various Central and South American governments). If everyone in country X wanted to live "the old life" and have nothing to do with electricity/microwaves/computers/KFC, they would be welcome to it. "Modern capitalism" is spread by consumerism, not by some patriarchy.
I'm sure they have a rudimentary OS in the rover, which likely remains unchanged. They probably designed the rovers with future updates in mind, and fail-safes for bad flashes due to solar interference, etc. Even if not, NASA presumably designed a very simple earth communications interface to be a separate system from the mechanical controller, so even if the robot gets stuck in a loop or something there is a from-earth reset button.
I think they picked their favorite Diablo II item, then decided it made no sense as a name, so they made it an acronym.
See current USA government healthcare. It is actually great at coming in "on budget, being efficient, and not letting anyone slip through the cracks". While the funding is FUBAR, this is not medicare/medicaid's fault. Its funding is defined by Congress, and the programs actually make do extremely well (given they don't have enough money to actually cover the services they offer).
I would have a very hard time thinking about every letter I type. I type words, not letters :) Try it right now. Thinking about the letters will get you to forget what your word/sentence/whole thought was.
Yeah. While we're at it, lets abolish fire departments and police stations. It's not fair that I'm being forced to help some dude down the street when his house is on fire or some old lady when she gets robbed and shoved and breaks her hip.
Seriously... All government services are meant for the betterment of society, and picking and choosing which ones you use is the tragedy of the commons at work. It is in everyone's best interest to maintain a healthy and productive workforce.
I will point out that premiums will likely rise, and would even with the public option. But this is because the insurers would have to practice fair coverage, and not attempt to deny coverage to anyone who actually gets sick. The way things are in the US right now, insurance companies have entire departments focused on finding reasons to deny coverage to paying customers, and only pull out their findings if said paying customers become a burden. This drives down the company's costs and dumps the sick people on society. 3
Too bad we didn't have a government run health-insurance provider to insure that such gouging didn't happen.
In Massachusetts (if I remember correctly) benefits are 50% of your weekly income in your previous job, up to $300/week. And this only lasts for a few months. I'm not sure what states have better unemployment insurance than MA, but my guess is very few. So I call shenanigans on the grandparent.
Spitting is only for when you are tasting several varieties and are trying not to get drunk before bottle #14.
I'm not sure about these days, but it used to be that the clock rate for chips was roughly based on substrate impurities. A less pure substrate was more prone to heat up, and had to me throttled down. The top-of-the-line chips were from batches of exceptional substrate quality. Also, AMD has designed their current lineup with independent cores they can disable (selling a 4-core chip as a 3-core chip when one is defective). This helps yields, which are very important for their bottom line. The 'unlocking' craze for AMD exists because sometimes they disable the core to meet market demand (they have much higher yields on their current lines than most people would have expected), so sometimes your locked core can actually be made to work! But you can bet your but the mechanism would never have been designed had it not helped yield in the first place.
Actually the primary focus of the bill is to prevent denials of coverage, so a government run insurance program would have the exact same pool of insured people as the private insurers, baring any economic factors (ie subsidies, premium differences). I lived in Florida up until recently, and yes, their property insurer was terribly designed. But the problem was that private insurers could decide to dump covered property on the state.
Assuming a non-profit government health insurer required to run a balanced budget, the insurance companies would have a much harder time gouging, which is a risk when mandating coverage for everyone. Of course, the coverage mandate is economically implied by any attempt to prevent refusing coverage because of pre-existing conditions, or dropping coverage though the current shady methods used by the industry.
I have used ClamAV for years and have never had this problem. I will point out:
A) Deleting an executable without knowing what it is is stupid.
B) Given that said executable is missing, it should be exceedingly simply to copy it from another machine, or the windows rescue disk.
Except Tom Bombadil was a bane unto the original books. Tom Bombadil getting cut was a present to humanity.
Beorn, on the other hand, was a popular character. And much easier to script :)
Perhaps we are argueing the same thing :)
IMO the only distinction between TV and a monitor at this point is the tuner. I do check e-mail on the HTPC, and sometimes even read the news or do some work, though I doubt this is a market to tap. I didn't read TFA until now, and thought the device was more of a boxee gateway for the tech impaired.