You're in effect saying that publishing is an invitation to steal.
That's a really good point. It is unethical, most often even illegal, to copy blocks of text and images from one website for use on your own. The same rules should apply to any data generated by any website.
Bing is copying the 'best' search results, or data generated by other-page web searches and search engines, from other websites for use on its own. End of story. If they had any confidence in the power of their own search engine (and algorithm), they wouldn't even think to resort to such low tactics.
I also agree - Bing is cheating. Never mind Google, they're second-sourcing ~everyone's~ results without giving them credit.
Every search engine has its own search methods and data-parsing algorithms (down to the lowest in-site-search php code), and it is these algorithms that provide the 'top results' that bing toolbar (and/or IE) users are clicking on. Never mind the Bing toolbar user; what if the owner/creator of a search engine doesn't want any data generated by it to be sent to Bing - where does ~he~ opt out of MS' data-sculling program?
Bing's tactics are distasteful for many reasons, but mainly a) because they exploit (toolbar) users to scull data from competitors and b) because Bing uses this data to provide 'top results' that it obviously values above those provided by its own algorithm. This is borderline - if not outright - industrial espionage.
they're second-sourcing google's results without giving them due credit.
Actually they're second-sourcing ~everyone's~ results without giving them credit.
Every search engine has its own search methods and data-parsing algorithms (down to the lowest in-site-search php code), and it is these that provide the 'top results' that bing toolbar (and/or IE) users are clicking on. What if the owner/creator of a search engine doesn't want any data generated by it to be sent to Bing - where does ~he~ opt out of MS' data-sculling program?
Bing's tactics are distasteful for many reasons, but mainly a) because they exploit (toolbar) users to scull data from competitors and b) because Bing uses this data to provide 'top results' that it obviously values above those provided by its own algorithm. This is borderline - if not outright - industrial espionage.
[quote]The part that keeps getting omitted is that Google had its Bing-tracked employees clicking on their fake result.[/quote]
Yes, but ~how~ Bing got that result is yet another level on top of all that - basically, users with an MS browsers send 'search term/resulting click' info - from any and all search engine - to MS servers that filter the resulting data for query content that they present as their own, and just by coincidence, at the top of their own results. That is unethical.
"Copy it from someone who already does it" sums up pretty well everything MS does, all they care about is market potential and market share. If I were asked that question (by anyone) in an interview, my answer would be: "Why, are you a boat-making company?"
Yes, it's worse than that. Imagine two students having an assignment: one goes out and does all the research necessary, and after all his data mining, works to make his paper as relevant and clear as possible; the other perhaps does some (of the needed) research and mining himself, but waits for the first student to return so he can steal the best key phrases from him.
Worse still, the second student obviously doesn't even consider himself up to the task of providing a passing paper, because his idea from the get-go was to copy the first student's work.
...true, but in the sense that economists and astrologists have one thing in common: the will to exploit human ignorance to greedy ends. Physicists (those who remain uncorrupted, at least) share no such goal.
I also don't think much will change in Astrology - but this 'new sign' proposition is an occasion to see how it really works. I'm persuaded that the most important factor in Astrology is the time of the year you are born; it's probably the result of a centuries-long character study on how the characters of people born into a certain climate grow on their first impressions of cold, warmth, snow, flora, etc..
Something to look into: Is a southern-hemisphere Capricorn the same as a northern-hemisphere one (other than the fact that the theories will spin in opposite directions when flushed down the toilet) ?.
...and would a bank of urinals be a LAN? Now boys are going to start going to the restroom together... we couldn't do that before today (imagine a scene where one girl at a restaurant says to her girlfriend: "I'm going to the restroom, are you joining me?". Now switch them with two guys).
While we're on that idea, I can tell you that Paris has around ~300km of abandoned tunnels under it - bedrock inspection tunnels (dating from a time where Paris was expanding over the very ground they were extracting its building stone from). There would be a humidity problem under the areas of the city (near the water table), but with that fixed, the temperature is a constant 14 and the possibilities of air/cable distribution are endless (certain regions have been, in the past, transformed into bomb shelters and generator rooms, and the hallways have been used by the PTT (French utility company) for phone lines since the 1920's).
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...or if I had to take an oath on an e-book bible? I suppose I'd be swearing ~on~ it...
Well, from this I think we can conclude that the Mac market share is rising.
...and you will always find that those promoting an 'anti-existing-cure' viewpoint are selling/being funded by an 'alternative product'.
As much as I dislike MS, Bill Gates here is the voice of reason.
You're in effect saying that publishing is an invitation to steal.
That's a really good point. It is unethical, most often even illegal, to copy blocks of text and images from one website for use on your own. The same rules should apply to any data generated by any website.
Bing is copying the 'best' search results, or data generated by other-page web searches and search engines, from other websites for use on its own. End of story. If they had any confidence in the power of their own search engine (and algorithm), they wouldn't even think to resort to such low tactics.
A search engine indexing search engines? Mod parent +5 funny ; )
...and Google's (or any search engine's) results are what brought the surfer the link to the 'destination page' in the first place!
I also agree - Bing is cheating. Never mind Google, they're second-sourcing ~everyone's~ results without giving them credit.
Every search engine has its own search methods and data-parsing algorithms (down to the lowest in-site-search php code), and it is these algorithms that provide the 'top results' that bing toolbar (and/or IE) users are clicking on. Never mind the Bing toolbar user; what if the owner/creator of a search engine doesn't want any data generated by it to be sent to Bing - where does ~he~ opt out of MS' data-sculling program?
Bing's tactics are distasteful for many reasons, but mainly a) because they exploit (toolbar) users to scull data from competitors and b) because Bing uses this data to provide 'top results' that it obviously values above those provided by its own algorithm. This is borderline - if not outright - industrial espionage.
they're second-sourcing google's results without giving them due credit.
Actually they're second-sourcing ~everyone's~ results without giving them credit.
Every search engine has its own search methods and data-parsing algorithms (down to the lowest in-site-search php code), and it is these that provide the 'top results' that bing toolbar (and/or IE) users are clicking on. What if the owner/creator of a search engine doesn't want any data generated by it to be sent to Bing - where does ~he~ opt out of MS' data-sculling program?
Bing's tactics are distasteful for many reasons, but mainly a) because they exploit (toolbar) users to scull data from competitors and b) because Bing uses this data to provide 'top results' that it obviously values above those provided by its own algorithm. This is borderline - if not outright - industrial espionage.
[quote]The part that keeps getting omitted is that Google had its Bing-tracked employees clicking on their fake result.[/quote]
Yes, but ~how~ Bing got that result is yet another level on top of all that - basically, users with an MS browsers send 'search term/resulting click' info - from any and all search engine - to MS servers that filter the resulting data for query content that they present as their own, and just by coincidence, at the top of their own results. That is unethical.
"Copy it from someone who already does it" sums up pretty well everything MS does, all they care about is market potential and market share. If I were asked that question (by anyone) in an interview, my answer would be: "Why, are you a boat-making company?"
With your way of writing 'bing', I actually heard the sound of a loud counter bell in my head several times while reading your post.
Yes, it's worse than that. Imagine two students having an assignment: one goes out and does all the research necessary, and after all his data mining, works to make his paper as relevant and clear as possible; the other perhaps does some (of the needed) research and mining himself, but waits for the first student to return so he can steal the best key phrases from him.
Worse still, the second student obviously doesn't even consider himself up to the task of providing a passing paper, because his idea from the get-go was to copy the first student's work.
...true, but in the sense that economists and astrologists have one thing in common: the will to exploit human ignorance to greedy ends. Physicists (those who remain uncorrupted, at least) share no such goal.
Here's another plate of beans.
No, that would be "Hu who, eh?". But that just sounds like a Canadian owl.
Not in the URINAL !!!!
Capricorns do not believe in things like Horiscopes.
I also don't think much will change in Astrology - but this 'new sign' proposition is an occasion to see how it really works. I'm persuaded that the most important factor in Astrology is the time of the year you are born; it's probably the result of a centuries-long character study on how the characters of people born into a certain climate grow on their first impressions of cold, warmth, snow, flora, etc..
Something to look into: Is a southern-hemisphere Capricorn the same as a northern-hemisphere one (other than the fact that the theories will spin in opposite directions when flushed down the toilet) ?.
Same here. And I read the whole article - boy, are my lips tired.
What about people interested in ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥? (You insensitive clod! ; )
...and would a bank of urinals be a LAN? Now boys are going to start going to the restroom together... we couldn't do that before today (imagine a scene where one girl at a restaurant says to her girlfriend: "I'm going to the restroom, are you joining me?". Now switch them with two guys).
While we're on that idea, I can tell you that Paris has around ~300km of abandoned tunnels under it - bedrock inspection tunnels (dating from a time where Paris was expanding over the very ground they were extracting its building stone from). There would be a humidity problem under the areas of the city (near the water table), but with that fixed, the temperature is a constant 14 and the possibilities of air/cable distribution are endless (certain regions have been, in the past, transformed into bomb shelters and generator rooms, and the hallways have been used by the PTT (French utility company) for phone lines since the 1920's).
Yep, as usual. They used to call that a 'service pack'. Wonder what they'll call it now?
...and eternal 1992!
On that thought, do barns have windows?
Those that do, very few, in my experience... best keep it that way. Linux will run on almost everything...
Got a barn and a Debian distro CD? Farmer, meet Dell.