"It is directly against Phoenix's policy to create BIOS that would lock customers into any single OS. It has never been or will it ever be Phoenix's intention to lock a customer into a particular OS." -Gaurav Banga, CTO & SVP of Engineering at Phoenix Technologies Ltd. That MIGHT be Phoenix's policy but it CERTAINLY is NOT Microsoft's policy. Microsoft will attempt to get Phoenix to add features to make switching OSes harder. Microsoft's makes billions in extra profits through its monopoly. Also Phoenix and Toshiba have no real $ incentive to fight back and very HUGE $$$ incentive to help Microsoft.
If it is the money or the principle, they will take the money.
by King_TJ (85913) on Wednesday April 04, @11:28PM (#18615951)
I don't know. Just this morning, I talked to a woman where I work who
just went out and plunked down $1500 for a high-end new PC. (She said
her old PC was 6-7 years old and pretty much done for, so she wanted
something good that would last.) She was so disgusted at Vista's lack
of support for her printer and scanner she wanted to re-use, she
returned the whole system the next evening!
The number of people "planning to buy a new PC with Vista
pre-installed" may not quite equal the number who stick with it after
they try it!
I was talking to a woman while waiting in line at the bank today. The
same
thing happened to her.
I got tired of the viruses and instability years ago. For Christmas I
bought a system from Curtis Systems
that was preloaded with the eComStation OS and OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird, PMVIEW. Very high quality system, even had ECC memory on this consumer machine.
Computer users have to use their purchasing power.
Improve security - buy alternatives
It is YOUR computer and YOUR data
I had enough years ago. It is my computer and my data. I will not pay a
tax and give control of MY computer to a third party or ask permission
or pay
royalties (forced upgrades) to get access to MY data. No forced
registration. No
spying.
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competitive environment is good for all
users. A mono culture is bad for security. The major PC OEMs will drag
their
feet becuase they are looking to save pennies even if it costs computer
users
hundreds of
extra dollars in the long run.
AC wrote: You just bought a computer from yourself? Did you get an 'Invalid use of Null' error on checkout? No, I did not buy a computer from myself. I bought from a online store.
user_ecs wrote:
I bought a computer preloaded with eComStation from http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm [curtissyst...ftware.com] I just emailed them and got a reply. They said I could load any OS I wanted and it would have no effect on the hardware warranty (some parts are 5 yr). I did not pay a Microsoft tax when I bought it and I will not be punished later.
eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/ [os2voice.org]
eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/ [ecomstation.com]
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm [curtissyst...ftware.com]
Even preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Uses high quality ECC memory
I bought a computer preloaded with eComStation from http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
I just emailed them and got a reply. They said I could load any OS I wanted and it would have no effect on the hardware warranty (some parts are 5 yr). I did not pay a Microsoft tax when I bought it and I will not be punished later.
I had enough years ago. It is my computer and my data. I will not pay a tax and give control of MY computer to a third party or ask permission or pay royalties (forced upgrades) to get access to MY data. No forced registration. No spying.
I bought a system preloaded with eComStation. I paid no Microsoft tax. All you have to do is support THE vendors of good quality products.
You can avoid the Microsoft tax and DRM OS and viruses too.
I bought a system preloaded with eComStation. I paid no Microsoft
tax. All you have to do is support THE vendors of good quality products. Like
buying high quality Snapper lawn movers instead the disposable Wal-Mart ones.
Even quality suppliers can decide that a retailer is dragging them down.
(The Man Who Said No to Wal-Mart
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapp er.html)
For Christmas I bought a system preloaded with eComStation. I paid no Microsoft tax. All you have to do is support THE vendors of good quality products. Like buying high quality Snapper lawn movers instead the disposable Wal-Mart ones.
(The Man Who Said No to Wal-Mart http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snapp er.html)
Get the job done with an OS that doesn't waste cpu cycles. Also how much is sucked out by viruses/spyware/... and then all the anti-virus/spyware/.. utilities to fight them.
Save energy and be more secure.
Re:but is does't have to be that way
on
Is Vista a Trap?
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Computer users have to use their purchasing power.
Improve security - buy alternatives
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competitive environment is good for all users. A mono culture is bad for security. The major PC OEMs will drag their feet becuase they are looking to save pennies even if it costs computer users hundreds of extra dollars in the long run
Of course it is! Users need to diversify
on
Is Vista a Trap?
·
· Score: 1
Improve security - buy alternatives
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competitive environment is good for all users. A mono culture is bad for security. The major PC OEMs will drag their feet becuase they are looking to save pennys even if it costs computer users hundreds of extra dollars in the long run
Quality hardware and software is not that expensive. It only costs a little more. For example ECC memory. Why are so many paying for glitz while scrimping on the important stuff.
I encourage others to switch to eComStation on good hardware. Join other eComStation users
It came preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Has quality hardware (instead of the Dell's lowest bidder components). Even had ECC memory
Even with out anti-virus software it is immune to all the windows virus/trojan/worms/.. crap. I also don't have to worry about the vendor shutting down my OS or apps remotely in the future.
You might like to spend your money paying for a glitzy web site but I would rather have my money go to getting top notch hardware and software.
www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
www.ecomstation.com
www.os2world.com (user supported web site)
www.os2voice.org (user group)
Jumped to eComStation and OpenOffice.org
by user_ecs (878826) on Thursday February 08
For Christmas I bought a new computer preloaded with eComStation and OpneOffice.org. I have had too many problems with Dells and Gateways so I bought the system from CSS because I wanted good quality hardware (ie ECC memory, etc).
www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
eComStation, much more stable and secure than windows yet much friendlier than Linux
For Christmas I bought a new computer preloaded with eComStation and OpneOffice.org. I have had too many problems with Dells and Gateways so I bought the system from CSS because I wanted good quality hardware (ie ECC memory, etc).
For Christmas I bought a new computer preloaded with eComStation and OpneOffice.org. I have had too many problems with Dells and Gateways so I bought the system from CSS because I wanted good quality hardware (ie ECC memory, etc).
businesses need to be able to share documents with their business partners and clients, thusly, they must support the same file formats as their business partners and clients.
Shouldn't the businesses be more worried about THEIR intellectuual property rather than microsoft's. The words typed and spreadsheets, presentations the employees create is owned by the business. Seems like the tool, microsoft office gets more protection than the work results created.
Your thoughts expressed in documents, spreadsheets, drawing, etc should be primary. The proprietary document computer file formats should not be used to lock you out of YOUR intellectuual property. Microsoft proprietary document Word/Office (.doc) and Excel (.xls) force you to pay an upgrade ransom to keep using or sharing YOUR intellectual property.
It came preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Has quality hardware (instead of the Dell's lowest bidder components). Even had ECC memory.
Even with out anti-virus software it is immune to all this crap. I also don't have to worry about the vendor shutting down my OS or apps remotely in the future.
It came preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Has quality hardware (unlike a Dell which has the lowest bidder components). Even had ECC memory
Even with out anti-virus software it is immune to all this crap. I also don't have to worry about the vendor shutting down my OS or apps remotely in the future.
> And what did OS/2 look like after the mid 90's.
Great
> Were there any large updates?
yes - See http://www.ecomstation.com/
> Any MMX stuff?
> Any DVD support?
Yes
> Any modern stuff added??
Lots of stuff
Serenity System has a direct license for eComStation that bypasses normal IBM OS/2 marketing and sales channels. They will be selling eComStation for many more years.
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I don't know. Just this morning, I talked to a woman where I work who just went out and plunked down $1500 for a high-end new PC. (She said her old PC was 6-7 years old and pretty much done for, so she wanted something good that would last.) She was so disgusted at Vista's lack of support for her printer and scanner she wanted to re-use, she returned the whole system the next evening!
The number of people "planning to buy a new PC with Vista pre-installed" may not quite equal the number who stick with it after they try it!
I was talking to a woman while waiting in line at the bank today. The same thing happened to her.
I see Dell is still shipping the usual. "Why I won't buy a Dell next time"
I got tired of the viruses and instability years ago. For Christmas I bought a system from Curtis Systems that was preloaded with the eComStation OS and OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Thunderbird, PMVIEW. Very high quality system, even had ECC memory on this consumer machine.
eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/
eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/
Computer users have to use their purchasing power.
Improve security - buy alternatives
It is YOUR computer and YOUR data
I had enough years ago. It is my computer and my data. I will not pay a tax and give control of MY computer to a third party or ask permission or pay royalties (forced upgrades) to get access to MY data. No forced registration. No spying.
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competitive environment is good for all users. A mono culture is bad for security. The major PC OEMs will drag their feet becuase they are looking to save pennies even if it costs computer users hundreds of
extra dollars in the long run.
I bought a computer preloaded with eComStation from http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm [curtissyst...ftware.com] I just emailed them and got a reply. They said I could load any OS I wanted and it would have no effect on the hardware warranty (some parts are 5 yr). I did not pay a Microsoft tax when I bought it and I will not be punished later. eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/ [os2voice.org] eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/ [ecomstation.com] eComStation preloaded http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm [curtissyst...ftware.com] Even preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Uses high quality ECC memory
I bought a computer preloaded with eComStation from http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm I just emailed them and got a reply. They said I could load any OS I wanted and it would have no effect on the hardware warranty (some parts are 5 yr). I did not pay a Microsoft tax when I bought it and I will not be punished later.
eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/
eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Even preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Uses high quality ECC memory
I had enough years ago. It is my computer and my data. I will not pay a tax and give control of MY computer to a third party or ask permission or pay royalties (forced upgrades) to get access to MY data. No forced registration. No spying.
I bought a system preloaded with eComStation. I paid no Microsoft tax. All you have to do is support THE vendors of good quality products.
You can avoid the Microsoft tax and DRM OS and viruses too.
eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/
eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Even preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Uses high quality ECC memory
I bought a system preloaded with eComStation. I paid no Microsoft tax. All you have to do is support THE vendors of good quality products. Like buying high quality Snapper lawn movers instead the disposable Wal-Mart ones. Even quality suppliers can decide that a retailer is dragging them down.
(The Man Who Said No to Wal-Mart http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snap
You can avoid the Microsoft tax too.
eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/
eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
For Christmas I bought a system preloaded with eComStation. I paid no Microsoft tax. All you have to do is support THE vendors of good quality products. Like buying high quality Snapper lawn movers instead the disposable Wal-Mart ones.
(The Man Who Said No to Wal-Mart http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/102/open_snap
You can avoid the Microsoft tax too.
eComStation user group - http://www.os2voice.org/
eComStation - http://www.ecomstation.com/
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Also Linux preloads
SUSE preloaded
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.htm
Fedora preloaded
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
Get the job done with an OS that doesn't waste cpu cycles. Also how much is sucked out by viruses/spyware/... and then all the anti-virus/spyware/.. utilities to fight them.
Save energy and be more secure.
user group
http://www.os2voice.org/
eComStation
http://www.ecomstation.com/
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Computer users have to use their purchasing power.
Improve security - buy alternatives
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competitive environment is good for all users. A mono culture is bad for security. The major PC OEMs will drag their feet becuase they are looking to save pennies even if it costs computer users hundreds of extra dollars in the long run
SUSE preloaded
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.htm
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Improve security - buy alternatives
l
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competitive environment is good for all users. A mono culture is bad for security. The major PC OEMs will drag their feet becuase they are looking to save pennys even if it costs computer users hundreds of extra dollars in the long run
SUSE preloaded
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.htm
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Stop feeding the monopoly. A competive environment is good for all users. A monoculture is bad for security
SUSE preloaded
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.htm
eComStation preloaded
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Quality hardware and software is not that expensive. It only costs a little more. For example ECC memory. Why are so many paying for glitz while scrimping on the important stuff.
I encourage others to switch to eComStation on good hardware. Join other eComStation users
http://www.os2voice.org/
http://www.os2world.com/
eComStation, much more stable and secure than windows yet much easier than Linux.
I finally found good hardware at a place that would pre-load my preferred OS, eComStation.
The vendor's web site is real basic because he puts his time and money in have the best product.
For Christmas I bought a system from CSS.
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
It came preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Has quality hardware (instead of the Dell's lowest bidder components). Even had ECC memory
Even with out anti-virus software it is immune to all the windows virus/trojan/worms/.. crap. I also don't have to worry about the vendor shutting down my OS or apps remotely in the future.
You might like to spend your money paying for a glitzy web site but I would rather have my money go to getting top notch hardware and software.
www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
www.ecomstation.com
www.os2world.com (user supported web site)
www.os2voice.org (user group)
Jumped to eComStation and OpenOffice.org
by user_ecs (878826) on Thursday February 08
For Christmas I bought a new computer preloaded with eComStation and OpneOffice.org. I have had too many problems with Dells and Gateways so I bought the system from CSS because I wanted good quality hardware (ie ECC memory, etc).
www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
eComStation, much more stable and secure than windows yet much friendlier than Linux
For Christmas I bought a new computer preloaded with eComStation and OpneOffice.org. I have had too many problems with Dells and Gateways so I bought the system from CSS because I wanted good quality hardware (ie ECC memory, etc).
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
eComStation, much more stable and secure than windows yet much friendlier than Linux
For Christmas I bought a new computer preloaded with eComStation and OpneOffice.org. I have had too many problems with Dells and Gateways so I bought the system from CSS because I wanted good quality hardware (ie ECC memory, etc).
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
eComStation, much more stable and secure than windows yet much friendlier than Linux
Shouldn't the businesses be more worried about THEIR intellectuual property rather than microsoft's. The words typed and spreadsheets, presentations the employees create is owned by the business. Seems like the tool, microsoft office gets more protection than the work results created.
All documents should be in open file formats.
http://openoffice.org/
It is your PC
Your thoughts expressed in documents, spreadsheets, drawing, etc should be primary. The proprietary document computer file formats should not be used to lock you out of YOUR intellectuual property. Microsoft proprietary document Word/Office (.doc) and Excel (.xls) force you to pay an upgrade ransom to keep using or sharing YOUR intellectual property.
http://lists.ufl.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0510&L=ccc&
Subject: Introduction to OpenDocument
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005
From: Ken Sallot
Get virus resistant computer preloaded with OpenOffice
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
eComStation and OpenOffice.org is the cure I use.
eComStation is more stable than windows but a lot easier than Linux
For Christmas I bought a system from CSS.
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
It came preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Has quality hardware (instead of the Dell's lowest bidder components). Even had ECC memory.
Even with out anti-virus software it is immune to all this crap. I also don't have to worry about the vendor shutting down my OS or apps remotely in the future.
Could you please post to the mailling list how the OS/2 install goes.
http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Lists%2C_IRC
Can you also try eComStation.
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
Thanks
Again it isn't just Microsoft windows that is the problem.
For Christmas I bought a system from CSS.
http://www.curtissystemssoftware.com/preloads.htm
It came preloaded with a OpenOffice.org. Has quality hardware (unlike a Dell which has the lowest bidder components). Even had ECC memory
Even with out anti-virus software it is immune to all this crap. I also don't have to worry about the vendor shutting down my OS or apps remotely in the future.
It natively uses LVM (Logical Volume Manager) Also has JFS (a file system) eComStation, ms win and Linux can co-exist on the same hard drive
> And what did OS/2 look like after the mid 90's. Great > Were there any large updates? yes - See http://www.ecomstation.com/ > Any MMX stuff? > Any DVD support? Yes > Any modern stuff added?? Lots of stuff
Sure am using it. eComStation 1.2 http://www.ecomstation.com/ Firefox NVU Samba OpenOffice REXX Java 1.4
Serenity System has a direct license for eComStation that bypasses normal IBM OS/2 marketing and sales channels. They will be selling eComStation for many more years.
If you liked OS/2 you will find eComStation is better.
eComStation is more stable than ms win while being easy to use.
http://www.ecomstation.com/
I use Firefox on the eComStation operating system. Best browser on the best OS. www.ecomstation.com