"Just imagine if it were a whole server of "personal" email with possibly classified information on it. That would certainly be a crime on both sides now wouldn't it?"
The article says "a teenager". Depending on how "teen" he is (i.e. 13 y.o.) then, no, it wouldn't be a crime since the boy would be criminally unimputable. If between 14 and 18 then it would be a misdemeanor at most, not a felony.
"However it is possible that the productivity increases are due to the socio-political system"
Not even needed to argue about that. Yesterday you wore an umbrella because it was raining, today's not raining so you don't need your umbrella anymore.
"And how exactly did you determine the state of their mind, and what they do or do not know?"
Just like any other would do: interacting with them and paying attention both at their discourse and their facts.
"Gee, all of a sudden my mail server acquires this mysterious configuration setting that rejects mail from all IP addresses on this particular blacklist. I have absolutely no idea where it came from..."
That's basically the case more times than not. Long story short, too many times it goes more or less like this: "So, why is this IP-block exactly blocked? Uhhh... Because it is in the list from the service I use?"
"Because if your saying Ren is Luke from a new hope, then putting him in such a position of authority on the new death star makes as much sense making Luke the commander of the rebel fleet."
Except the rebels are the good ones and the Ren is from the bad boys. It is more that Ren is like the arrogant son of a greedy multimillionaire going through his "business education": same incompetence and same high positions because he's the son of who he is.
"The Space Program is not an instant-return kind of thing."
Of course it is! For the private companies running the program, of course.
"It took the better part of a decade, spanning three presidential administrations, before the announced goal of putting a man on the Moon was realized."
And a significant part of USA's GDP during that decade... which got funneled into private hands. Of course Trump's friends are longing for those gold days, after all, nobody can be on the defense business.
"Though technically it hasn't ever really gone away, as Spain was officially Fascist until 1976, and official Fascist parties have existed in some form throughout Europe ever since Benito Mussolini coined the term."
Well, if the term is so important as to mention who coined it, then Spain was not technically Fascist but Falangist (yes, of course, it's basically the same thing but still...)
On the other hand, one of the short list of things one as Spanish can be proud of nowadays is that despite the crisis and what other European countries are doing, in Spain there's no fascist party worth mentioning (cross fingers).
"They probably considered the consequences of a "bug bounty program" and realized that it creates an incentive to write bugs into the software, having a friend "find them" and cash in"
Of course yes, because who wouldn't risk a six figures salary for a three figures bounty.
"I think it depends on how you define "standard of living"."
Of course yes, but I find the most reasonable way to approach it is a mix of "standard" with, maybe, a bit of adjustment in the low side, just to give the advantage to the caller.
So, it must be based on current and past status of "Average Joe": that means an average home, and average job and an average standard of living. I think you are undervaluing the standard you pose for 50 years back: it is 1965, not 1945.
Now: "Average Joe" income is 39,150$/year, since that's the median income for a 25+ male with high school/some college which, in turn, is the median education in USA (well, it's a bit above median, but I'll give that advantage to the parent post).
So, can 39,150$/year support a 4-5 members family (wife, husband and two-three children) for an average home (I'll take 1965 median: 1600sq ft, again for parent post's advantage), an average and a half car, current standards-of-living healthcare, fairly good education prospects for his children (the ability to go to Uni without bankrupt, out of savings), decent retirement and standard entertaiment (decent TV, Internet, mobile phone, going outside from time to time, etc.)? That is: the basics of today without falling into consumerism (no debt for luxuries, no "I need a bigger car than my neighbor and change it every two years", no 60" flat TV, etc).
"I don't understand why something that is already a cultural phenomenon world wide - watching people compete - is a mystery just because computers are involved."
I think it somehow works the other way around: watching people playing a computer game is a 'reductio ad absurdum' of people watching sports. What you say is perfectly logical but, still, looking people gaming on computers seems stupid -because, in fact, looking people gaming, any game or sport, is stupid, only it doesn't look like that because it is something fully socially integrated.
"Surely the thrust of the article is that the benefits of the increase in productivity have not gone to the workers and the middle class, but to the super rich."
This. And even the basic premise is wrong: "over the next 100 years the economy would become so productive that people would barely need to work at all." and that's exactly right, not wrong as the summary states. The productivity increase certainly allows for most people to barely need to work at all; the socio-political system, not the productivity, is what impedes it.
"So, you think you know more about someone who employs blacklisting, then they themselves."
Yes, I do. You see, I said "my (strong) bet": I'm pretty confident, not sure.
"There's a word for that too. Actually two words: "arrogant elitism"."
No, a single word is good enough: "experience". I usually work on email exchange platforms (not Microsoft Exchange, but SMTP hubs and smarthosts) and since my experience has been most postmasters using blacklists don't exactly know what emails are denying and why, betting the same case here is quite safe.
"And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it?"
Who pays when any machinery you own wreaks havoc? Who pays if your car suddenly loses its parking brakes on a slope and crashes into something? Who pays if a plane crashes when on autopilot? Why do you expect a Tesla car to be any different?
Of course, you can always sue back the machinery builder -any machinery, if you think you have a case.
"The trend with autonomous vehicles is the manufacturer is culpable for anything that happens when the vehicle is in autopilot mode."
The... "trend"!? As in "in the last twenty accidents when on autopilot it was the manufacturer the guilty one"?
We'll see when the first trial ends. In the meantime, any sensible comparative seems to suggest otherwise. Does the builder pay the bill if a plane crashes when on autopilot? Even if it demonstrably is the autopilot's fault? Or is it that the victims' representatives sue the hell out of the airline (and the airline in turn sues the builder if they think to have a case)?
"This phenomenon is called "free speech", perhaps you've heard of it."
I certainly do.
"Anyone is free to say, on their web site, whether a particular sender's email should be accepted or rejected, and why. And it goes without saying that everyone else is free to either agree, or disagree and continue to use their own internal policy for email acceptance or rejectance."
Yes. And that's vigilantism, and it usually ends the way it usually ends.
My (strong) bet is that, if you are using any kind of blacklisting software you don't really know who are you blocking and why.
"This is not a unique phenomenon. This is a fairly common reaction to abuse and spam complaints. You want us to shut down a paying customer? Why would we want to do that?"
Why should it be any other way? Note the requestor is another company, not a legal authority, and it comes from a different country.
We should, in fact, be very much worried if it happened any different.
"As long as effective public email blacklist exist, network providers will have to reluctantly terminate their spambags"
Of course yes, why the hell go throw the worries of having a legal system and legal forces to enact it when we can have some random vigilante telling apart what can and cannot be done.
"cisco is not responsible for policing the net, nor is it legally able to interpret law, and has no power whatsoever to enforce it."
And even if it had, it would be in USA. Russia, you know, is a different country, with different authorities and different laws. What would your average USA company do if it recieved a requirement from a private company from another country but exactly the same?
"Thanks for the info, though my point is exactly that: a pint is not a reliable unit of volume."
It is, when you are in a UK pub, which is what the announce is focused at.
"One could drink lots and lots of a 1% grade beer."
The kind of beer you won't find at a UK pub.
So here they offer a SI-based volume of pure alcohol and then they convert to a usual unit for their targeted audience so it's just like someone in USA converting to "congress libraries" or "football fields" only it makes much more sense in this case.
"In IV-VI we only had Vader as an example of what a force user in his prime was like --- and he set the bar as: un-FUCKING-touchable."
That's exactly the point: Yoda, Kenoby, Anakin/Vader... were all trained for long years, war veterans and at the peak of the Jedi power. On the other hand, Luke (at IV-V) and even moreso Ren were just posers in comparation. Jedis are obviously hinted on (an occidentalized view of) samurais: you can't compare a Sekigahara's veteran to a pre-Meiji Restoration samurai who barely could handle a ken in comparation.
"Unfortunately, instead of also borrowing from their style of weapons use, he chose to go with regular Fencing"
The irony being that, by the nature of the weapon, fencing is the way to go so, while apparently looking worse than the newer films they were also truer to the tool.
"The "Cookie Law" is not really about cookies and is widely misinterpreted. It merely affirms that these two principles apply to websites - if you are collecting personally identifying data about your visitors you need to let them know first."
The problem is, of course, that the "Cookie Law" neither affirms those rights nor was intended to do so, just pretend. Like going through the movements but still not dancing.
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"Just imagine if it were a whole server of "personal" email with possibly classified information on it. That would certainly be a crime on both sides now wouldn't it?"
The article says "a teenager". Depending on how "teen" he is (i.e. 13 y.o.) then, no, it wouldn't be a crime since the boy would be criminally unimputable. If between 14 and 18 then it would be a misdemeanor at most, not a felony.
"The user does not exist to use the device; the device exists to be used by the user."
Right.
"If the user is unable or unwilling to quickly adapt to the device's UI, the fault is in the UI, not the user."
Wrong.
"If you want your device to be successful, you have to make them want to use it."
Right.
What do all these teach us, children? That things depend if you are to produce a device to be successful or to produce one to be useful.
"However it is possible that the productivity increases are due to the socio-political system"
Not even needed to argue about that. Yesterday you wore an umbrella because it was raining, today's not raining so you don't need your umbrella anymore.
"And how exactly did you determine the state of their mind, and what they do or do not know?"
Just like any other would do: interacting with them and paying attention both at their discourse and their facts.
"Gee, all of a sudden my mail server acquires this mysterious configuration setting that rejects mail from all IP addresses on this particular blacklist. I have absolutely no idea where it came from..."
That's basically the case more times than not. Long story short, too many times it goes more or less like this: "So, why is this IP-block exactly blocked? Uhhh... Because it is in the list from the service I use?"
"On the other hand, Luke (at IV-V) and even moreso Ren were just posers in comparation.
Sure. But if we accept that proposition, then its ludicrous that Ren's in such a position of power and authority"
Not at all: Ren is on his position obviously not because his own merits but because he's the new leader's protégée (and he's his protégée not because what he is but what the leader thinks he will become: he's just a child in training -the Sith way). Remember the scene when Ren goes mad and two soldiers that see him look each other and go the way the came from? Can you imagine doing the same to Vader of, for that matter to anybody really respected or scared? They are not really *that* scared of Ren but of the Leader.
"Because if your saying Ren is Luke from a new hope, then putting him in such a position of authority on the new death star makes as much sense making Luke the commander of the rebel fleet."
Except the rebels are the good ones and the Ren is from the bad boys. It is more that Ren is like the arrogant son of a greedy multimillionaire going through his "business education": same incompetence and same high positions because he's the son of who he is.
"The Space Program is not an instant-return kind of thing."
Of course it is! For the private companies running the program, of course.
"It took the better part of a decade, spanning three presidential administrations, before the announced goal of putting a man on the Moon was realized."
And a significant part of USA's GDP during that decade... which got funneled into private hands. Of course Trump's friends are longing for those gold days, after all, nobody can be on the defense business.
"Though technically it hasn't ever really gone away, as Spain was officially Fascist until 1976, and official Fascist parties have existed in some form throughout Europe ever since Benito Mussolini coined the term."
Well, if the term is so important as to mention who coined it, then Spain was not technically Fascist but Falangist (yes, of course, it's basically the same thing but still...)
On the other hand, one of the short list of things one as Spanish can be proud of nowadays is that despite the crisis and what other European countries are doing, in Spain there's no fascist party worth mentioning (cross fingers).
"They probably considered the consequences of a "bug bounty program" and realized that it creates an incentive to write bugs into the software, having a friend "find them" and cash in"
Of course yes, because who wouldn't risk a six figures salary for a three figures bounty.
"I think it depends on how you define "standard of living"."
Of course yes, but I find the most reasonable way to approach it is a mix of "standard" with, maybe, a bit of adjustment in the low side, just to give the advantage to the caller.
So, it must be based on current and past status of "Average Joe": that means an average home, and average job and an average standard of living. I think you are undervaluing the standard you pose for 50 years back: it is 1965, not 1945.
Now: "Average Joe" income is 39,150$/year, since that's the median income for a 25+ male with high school/some college which, in turn, is the median education in USA (well, it's a bit above median, but I'll give that advantage to the parent post).
So, can 39,150$/year support a 4-5 members family (wife, husband and two-three children) for an average home (I'll take 1965 median: 1600sq ft, again for parent post's advantage), an average and a half car, current standards-of-living healthcare, fairly good education prospects for his children (the ability to go to Uni without bankrupt, out of savings), decent retirement and standard entertaiment (decent TV, Internet, mobile phone, going outside from time to time, etc.)? That is: the basics of today without falling into consumerism (no debt for luxuries, no "I need a bigger car than my neighbor and change it every two years", no 60" flat TV, etc).
I don't think so.
"I don't understand why something that is already a cultural phenomenon world wide - watching people compete - is a mystery just because computers are involved."
I think it somehow works the other way around: watching people playing a computer game is a 'reductio ad absurdum' of people watching sports. What you say is perfectly logical but, still, looking people gaming on computers seems stupid -because, in fact, looking people gaming, any game or sport, is stupid, only it doesn't look like that because it is something fully socially integrated.
"That is also why today both parents work, even though they could enjoy the standard of living of a single-earner household of 50 years ago."
You are delusional if you really think so.
"Surely the thrust of the article is that the benefits of the increase in productivity have not gone to the workers and the middle class, but to the super rich."
This. And even the basic premise is wrong: "over the next 100 years the economy would become so productive that people would barely need to work at all." and that's exactly right, not wrong as the summary states. The productivity increase certainly allows for most people to barely need to work at all; the socio-political system, not the productivity, is what impedes it.
"So, you think you know more about someone who employs blacklisting, then they themselves."
Yes, I do. You see, I said "my (strong) bet": I'm pretty confident, not sure.
"There's a word for that too. Actually two words: "arrogant elitism"."
No, a single word is good enough: "experience". I usually work on email exchange platforms (not Microsoft Exchange, but SMTP hubs and smarthosts) and since my experience has been most postmasters using blacklists don't exactly know what emails are denying and why, betting the same case here is quite safe.
"And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it?"
Who pays when any machinery you own wreaks havoc? Who pays if your car suddenly loses its parking brakes on a slope and crashes into something? Who pays if a plane crashes when on autopilot? Why do you expect a Tesla car to be any different?
Of course, you can always sue back the machinery builder -any machinery, if you think you have a case.
"The trend with autonomous vehicles is the manufacturer is culpable for anything that happens when the vehicle is in autopilot mode."
The... "trend"!? As in "in the last twenty accidents when on autopilot it was the manufacturer the guilty one"?
We'll see when the first trial ends. In the meantime, any sensible comparative seems to suggest otherwise. Does the builder pay the bill if a plane crashes when on autopilot? Even if it demonstrably is the autopilot's fault? Or is it that the victims' representatives sue the hell out of the airline (and the airline in turn sues the builder if they think to have a case)?
"This phenomenon is called "free speech", perhaps you've heard of it."
I certainly do.
"Anyone is free to say, on their web site, whether a particular sender's email should be accepted or rejected, and why. And it goes without saying that everyone else is free to either agree, or disagree and continue to use their own internal policy for email acceptance or rejectance."
Yes. And that's vigilantism, and it usually ends the way it usually ends.
My (strong) bet is that, if you are using any kind of blacklisting software you don't really know who are you blocking and why.
"This is not a unique phenomenon. This is a fairly common reaction to abuse and spam complaints. You want us to shut down a paying customer? Why would we want to do that?"
Why should it be any other way? Note the requestor is another company, not a legal authority, and it comes from a different country.
We should, in fact, be very much worried if it happened any different.
"As long as effective public email blacklist exist, network providers will have to reluctantly terminate their spambags"
Of course yes, why the hell go throw the worries of having a legal system and legal forces to enact it when we can have some random vigilante telling apart what can and cannot be done.
"cisco is not responsible for policing the net, nor is it legally able to interpret law, and has no power whatsoever to enforce it."
And even if it had, it would be in USA. Russia, you know, is a different country, with different authorities and different laws. What would your average USA company do if it recieved a requirement from a private company from another country but exactly the same?
"Thanks for the info, though my point is exactly that: a pint is not a reliable unit of volume."
It is, when you are in a UK pub, which is what the announce is focused at.
"One could drink lots and lots of a 1% grade beer."
The kind of beer you won't find at a UK pub.
So here they offer a SI-based volume of pure alcohol and then they convert to a usual unit for their targeted audience so it's just like someone in USA converting to "congress libraries" or "football fields" only it makes much more sense in this case.
"You need two telephones in a phone call. Leia wouldn't have heard it without being force-sensitive herself."
Yeah, sure. And the stormtroopers are also force-sensitive since those aren't indeed the droids they were looking for.
"In IV-VI we only had Vader as an example of what a force user in his prime was like --- and he set the bar as: un-FUCKING-touchable."
That's exactly the point: Yoda, Kenoby, Anakin/Vader... were all trained for long years, war veterans and at the peak of the Jedi power. On the other hand, Luke (at IV-V) and even moreso Ren were just posers in comparation. Jedis are obviously hinted on (an occidentalized view of) samurais: you can't compare a Sekigahara's veteran to a pre-Meiji Restoration samurai who barely could handle a ken in comparation.
"Unfortunately, instead of also borrowing from their style of weapons use, he chose to go with regular Fencing"
The irony being that, by the nature of the weapon, fencing is the way to go so, while apparently looking worse than the newer films they were also truer to the tool.
"And let's not forget Lucas based the whole concept on the Japanese art of Kenpo which is, go figure, a type of sword fighting"
And let's not forget Kenpo is neither Japanese nor involves sword fighting.
"sensing Luke under Cloud City is the only one that comes to mind."
Except that's not due to Leia's usage of the Force but Luke's that calls her.
"The "Cookie Law" is not really about cookies and is widely misinterpreted. It merely affirms that these two principles apply to websites - if you are collecting personally identifying data about your visitors you need to let them know first."
The problem is, of course, that the "Cookie Law" neither affirms those rights nor was intended to do so, just pretend. Like going through the movements but still not dancing.