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Tesla Model S Software Updates Lets Car Park Itself With No One Inside It (bgr.com)

An anonymous reader writes with a link to this article at Boy Genius Report about a software upgrade now hitting Tesla owners, which begins: Tesla earlier today began pushing out version 7.1 of its software to Model S and Model X owners and, suffice it to say, it's a doozy of a software update. While we'll get to the full changelog shortly, we first wanted to highlight a feature called Summon which enables users to park their cars without having to be inside it. Conversely, it also lets Tesla owners summon their cars that already happen to be parked.

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  1. Beta by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The feature is in Beta. Thats what I want: Beta software in my car. Here is a link to the release notes: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com...

    1. Re:Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for that automatic factory recall function. It will be hilarious or trumptastic , depending on who is going to win the elections.

    2. Re:Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ahahaha hater from the past, whats it feel like being the next taliban. The future too future for you? Join an amish cult and leave slashdot alone ffs.

    3. Re:Beta by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      You know what they say: fail fast and move on. Facebook knew it, Toyota knew it, Tesla knows it, and now you know it.

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    4. Re:Beta by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      Beta driving software might still be better than the average human driver.

    5. Re:Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has been in Beta since at least 1996. What's your point?

    6. Re:Beta by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Then you should buy a 1968 car if you dont want a beta car.

      ALL cars you buy today are running on beta firmware in the ECM, BCM and infotainment systems. If you think everything has been heavily and completely tested then you dont even have the first clue as to how the software world works today.

      Software, outside of the military and space program is about how fast can you get it out the door, not about making a complete and safe product. Testing is what the customers do after it's sold to them.

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    7. Re: Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly

  2. Doozy vs Duesy by gavron · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not a "doozy" of an upgrade.

    Duesy is short for Duesenberg, a car so awesome it could only be a Duesy.

    Ehud

    1. Re:Doozy vs Duesy by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The term in common use is >a href="http://www.neatorama.com/2013/07/29/Why-Do-We-Say-Its-A-Doozy/">doozy"

    2. Re:Doozy vs Duesy by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 1

      Ironic that this has been modded Funny, when the poster was completely serious ("A car joke! Funny!"). However, more to the point, the assertion that "doozy" came from "Duesy" has been debunked.

    3. Re:Doozy vs Duesy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's like the Cadillac of cars!

    4. Re:Doozy vs Duesy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get outta here with your Nazi propaganda, ya friggin terrorist!

  3. It has begun! by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder who'll get in trouble when the car has an accident while auto-parking?

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    1. Re:It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While it's in "beta," I'm guessing the owner of the car, for using not fully tested software. In the final release, definitely the manufacturer.
      captcha: taxi cabs

    2. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how manufacturer could be at fault. Software is never complete or bug free. Use at your own risk.

      Then again, GM got in trouble for faulty ignition switches that could accidentally turn the engine *off*. Not on, off. So maybe logic doesn't count.

    3. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the switches had a fault where an undocumented position existed, outside of ACC, LOCK, RUN, and START. That position was called "RUN with airbags and warning systems disabled". It was accessible through wear of the weak spring inside the cylinder, and a light tap from a driver's knee.

      As you can imagine, survivability during a head-on collision is markedly reduced when the car enters this mode, and this mode occurred when the driver was unlucky enough to bump the key while jostling during a collision.

    4. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The trend with autonomous vehicles is the manufacturer is culpable for anything that happens when the vehicle is in autopilot mode. The question in my mind is: does this mean the vehicle will auto-switch back to manual control when collisions are imminent? They shouldn't, but does a manufacturer have the balls to try to get away with such a stunt?

      A lesser version of this is refusing to switch to automatic when conditions are unfavorable, or a drunk driver trying to switch to autopilot right before crashing in to a playground, etc.

    5. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If a collision is imminent, the manufacturer is already in trouble, for putting the driver of the vehicle in a situation where there was no possible escape. Courts would make very short work of that tactic.

    6. Re: It has begun! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I bet it would just refuse to park on my driveway. It's narrow and tricky for a human, so I bet the car would just think there isn't enough room to park safely.

      Current auto-parking systems have the same problem. They can parallel park, but don't do things like align with spaces or park an appropriate distance from the car in front/behind. They end up wasting space. Then again, so do most human drivers.

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    7. Re: It has begun! by Teun · · Score: 2

      <quote>Software is never complete or bug free. Use at your own risk.</quote>
      Yeah right :)

      // A hello world program in C++

          #include<iostream>
          using namespace std;

          int main()
          {
              cout << "Hello World!";
              return 0;
          }

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    8. Re: It has begun! by Teun · · Score: 1

      I know my Nissan's cruise control switches off when it detects a slippery road.

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    9. Re:It has begun! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The driver ofcourse.
      That is to say, the person who instructs the car to start the automatic parking, regardless of whether that person is or is not inside the car.

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    10. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also known as run the ventilation fan with the headlights off mode. I loved that undocumented position.

    11. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for one thing there's no trailing newline on your string - a minor bug in most circumstances.

    12. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, never a Tesla for me.

    13. Re: It has begun! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      That's how it worked in Demolition Man.

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    14. Re: It has begun! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You hotboxing it?

    15. Re: It has begun! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Most humans have a big problem with depth perception, projecting before-seen portions of a scene and mirrors. That's why parallel parking is such a problem for most people, they have no idea that there is really another 2-3 meter between two objects, most people think you've already hit the object when you can often still fit another car.

      However computers have no problem with that. They can accurately measure the amount of space left.

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    16. Re: It has begun! by dknj · · Score: 1

      depends on how smart your cruise control is. typically it switches off because traction control kicked in. the car has no way to detect if you're slipping because of bad road conditions or because you were just hit from a 90 degree angle. what it does know is that cruise control will try to accelerate if you are below speed. when the ecu detects differing speeds on wheels outside of the norm it should disengage as a safety feature. it just so happens the safety feature protects the manufacturer from liability as well.

      now in your smarter nissan, maybe it knows to slow down to regain control and, depending on objects around the car, return to original speed. but there are not enough use cases where that would be even remotely safe so better to err on the side of caution.

    17. Re: It has begun! by Teun · · Score: 1

      Yes it is the differing rotation of the wheels (with traction control) that cuts off the cruise control and it won't come back on by itself.
      Now a cruise control is no where near an auto-pilot but it shows the manufacturers are in case of trouble already handing control back to the driver.

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    18. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly this isn't complete. Where's the kitchen sink?

    19. Re: It has begun! by Time_Ngler · · Score: 1

      Whether there is a bug or not really depends on the libraries you link against. In 2039, cout stands for "computer out" which releases a sentient AI that is able to take over the world. "Hello World!" is the last thing anyone will hear.

    20. Re: It has begun! by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Not sure if you ment what you said, but...

      Bugs exist in hardware too - they are just more accessible to normal people.

      All hardware - even a doorknob - is just design in some sort of materialised form. So is software. Except its materialisation is less ... material.

      Design implies a designer - thus his liability.

    21. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how manufacturer could be at fault. Software is never complete or bug free. Use at your own risk.

      Software development in safety critical applications works completely different from what you are used to.

      I haven't read ISO 26262 specifically, but for certain applications there are laws that says that you either have to use multiple processors with different architectures performing the same task while monitoring each other or you have to prove that the code won't cause a safety critical error even if any random transistor in the CPU fails.
      Ideally you have two different implementations written by two different persons.
      For the electronics you have to go through each component involved in the critical parts and show that failure in any of the components, down to single resistors, doesn't lead to undesired behavior.
      You don't just "fix" a bug in software for those applications. A bug leads to a new development cycle that leads to a new module test and then a new system test.
      You also don't update the compiler or used libraries or whatever.

      You still use the software at you own risk, but if anyone gets hurt the developer need the paperwork to show that the standard have been followed during the software development. Failure to do so can lead to jail time.

    22. Re: It has begun! by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh dear, missing newline in line 6:

      jaf$ g++ temp.cpp
      jaf$ ./a.out
      Hello World!jaf$

      Let me know where to file the bug report :)

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    23. Re: It has begun! by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "The trend with autonomous vehicles is the manufacturer is culpable for anything that happens when the vehicle is in autopilot mode."

      The... "trend"!? As in "in the last twenty accidents when on autopilot it was the manufacturer the guilty one"?

      We'll see when the first trial ends. In the meantime, any sensible comparative seems to suggest otherwise. Does the builder pay the bill if a plane crashes when on autopilot? Even if it demonstrably is the autopilot's fault? Or is it that the victims' representatives sue the hell out of the airline (and the airline in turn sues the builder if they think to have a case)?

    24. Re: It has begun! by mikael · · Score: 1

      Here's a video of another car auto-parking:

      http://www.wimp.com/carparking...

      The driver isn't even in the car. The default behavior will be for the car to stop if there's any obstacle. But what if that obstacle is someone who has just collapsed and had a heart attack, a leaking water pipe dripping water onto that parking space. How will it handle a driver coming up at high speed like an ambulance or police car? Other drivers would just move out the way.

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    25. Re: It has begun! by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

      Relevant signature!

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    26. Re: It has begun! by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      parallel parking is a problem for people because do not do it enough. If people stopped being lazy and went out and practiced parallel parking into 10 different spots around town each weekend then suddenly their proficiency goes up dramatically.

      Some it will not, but those people also have problems with going straight down the road safely. Plus they cant avoid that siren song of their phone begging for them to play with it and text their BFF OMG!

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    27. Re: It has begun! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Even my 1980 pontiac would do this because slippery conditions will cause RPM's to spike and trip the safety off. Problem is that's not a safe thing to do on ice because now you have a dramatic change and your tires will break loose.

      My BMW on the other hand will trigger an ice and slipping warning on the dash and start changing the drive ratio of the AWD power to each wheel while lightly letting off the gas pedal to slow down very slightly. it actually will lightly let the throttle decrease slowly and lower the cruise speed settings.

      I know this as I found where in the coding of the traction control module the speed reduction ratio for the slippery condition detection. It also as a automatic braking ratio for when the follow radar detects a threshold of rate of change with the distance to target and you can set that as well to be more or less aggressive. I am assuming based on tire type. but I was surprised it did not have two ratios stored for that because you don't want it braking hard in slippery conditions.

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    28. Re:It has begun! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I guess it will ALWAYS be in Beta then.... kind of like a Google product. The potential cost of declaring it out of Beta would not justify the additional prestige value, And besides, when their target customer realizes the coolness of the feature, they won't mind to buy it, just because it's beta.

    29. Re: It has begun! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      shows the manufacturers are in case of trouble already handing control back to the driver.

      Except cruise control is not an "automatic pilot" system; with cruise, the driver is always in full control the whole time and still has to steer, etc; obviously the driver is still a captive audience and still has to monitor all the vehicle operation even when using cruise.

      Also, dropping out the cruise control is a "safe" response, even if the driver is not paying attention and does not notice they are decelerating.

      On the other hand, if the car is steering for the operator as well, then the driver could be relying entirely on their car, they might literally be dozing off, or have lost complete situational awareness regarding what is going on -- while their car drives itself: therefore, there is NOT enough time for the human to get up to speed, even if you sound an alarm and wake them up or something, Therefore: just disabling the automatic steering control to hand control back to the driver could be an extremely dangerous response.

    30. Re: It has begun! by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The bugs are introduced after the linking phase of compilation with the above program.

    31. Re: It has begun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda has this too. Make sure the car is off. Put on the emergency break. Now start the car. The day time running light's won't turn in until the emergency break is disengaged.

    32. Re: It has begun! by Teun · · Score: 1

      You correctly repeated my remark about what cruise control is not.

      I agree with your analysis of the impossibility to (suddenly) hand control over from an auto-driving vehicle.

      What I tried to say with my cruise control example is that manufacturers are already selecting the safe option, in case of autonomous cars it'll no doubt include slowing down and finding 'a safe shut down'.
      A step further, I do not see a future for autonomous vehicles without them being in constant contact with each other like a swarm or shoal.
      Which leaves to address non-vehicle and non-networked obstacles.

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    33. Re: It has begun! by Slick_W1lly · · Score: 2

      I can attest to this.

      I'm British and was a perfectly proficient parallel parker before I moved to 'merika. 20 years over here, and the ez-mode perpendicular parking has atrophied my skills such that.. when I was in NYC the other day and tasked with performing a parallel park.. I ended up with one wheel on the pavement... >_

    34. Re: It has begun! by bentcd · · Score: 1

      The trend with autonomous vehicles is the manufacturer is culpable for anything that happens when the vehicle is in autopilot mode.

      The near future of autonomous vehicles is going to be that the manufacturer picks up the bill for computer controlled crashes, and they buy insurance to cover themselves.

      Insurance companies are going to sell them that insurance because they realize that a world full of computer controlled vehicles is going to result in fantastically fewer insurance cases than our current world of vehicles controlled by moronic human drivers.

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    35. Re: It has begun! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Parallel park with a car you've never been in before or with a trailer for a change. That's what I'm talking about, humans have much difficulties adjusting to new perceptions. I can parallel park very well but a new car often gives me issues and I get out and see that I had plenty of space left, once I get used to a car, I can get it down to a few cm. But even then, sometimes I don't see a pole or other obstacle and block my passengers in. Computers can actually see how much is actually left at all times including any obstacles.

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  4. Automated car theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now hackers can just hack your car and make it steal itself without having to risk going to the location.

    1. Re:Automated car theft by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Well, it sounds like they'd have to be within 39 feet of the car. But that's enough distance to at least be safely out from under a street light, or even in the dark alley behind the neighbor's house.

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    2. Re: Automated car theft by qbast · · Score: 3, Funny

      New form of 'war driving': some unremarkable car drives slowly down the street and suddenly all Teslas parked nearby wake up and drive off somewhere.

    3. Re: Automated car theft by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Would be kind of funny if they all followed the lead car like really big ducklings.

    4. Re:Automated car theft by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Well, it sounds like they'd have to be within 39 feet of the car.

      By the time it reaches the location of the first summon, they'll be 39 more feet away, and repeating the Summon.

    5. Re: Automated car theft by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I wonder if, using software, you could make them all quack?

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  5. Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The programmer in me says that you can't design infrastructure and situations for people's level of ability to deal with the unexpected, and then rely on strictly less able primitive AI in the same situations on the same infrastructure.

    I always visualise a busy car park with two self-driving cars both stopped with noses together, trying to get into the same parking space and unable to safely proceed, and traffic backed up out onto the main road trying to get in.
    Would that be the exact case that trips them up? Maybe not.
    Maybe it's the guy with a short trailer sticking into the otherwise eligible car space.
    Maybe it's unusually narrow and some idiot (or self driving car, same thing really) who can't read arrows on the car park concrete has gone down the wrong way and someone has to reverse through mixed car park traffic or nearly scrape other cars to resolve the situation.
    The point is, there will be some case it just can't handle without human supervision, resulting in it stopping in the middle of a place other people need to drive.

    Also, remember that even if you think of these situations, it is extraordinarily difficult to be sure that it won't be thrown off by variations of these situations that human brains lump together but it can't.

    1. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by adolf · · Score: 1

      I always visualise a busy car park with two self-driving cars both stopped with noses together, trying to get into the same parking space and unable to safely proceed, and traffic backed up out onto the main road trying to get in.

      This could happen.

    2. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      Except that in the US it's exceedingly rare to have bidirectional 1 lane thoroughfares with adjacent parking spots and automation will signal the immediate need to clean up these niche cases.

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    3. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      Or it could park like a BMW driver.

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    4. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Tesla has no programmers who've thought about the things you came up with "as a programmer" in 5 seconds.

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    5. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by mikael · · Score: 1

      The traditional rule of the road (and sea) is that the largest vehicle has priority:
      40 ton truck > doubledecker bus > singledecker bus > stretch limo > black cab taxi > flatbed truck > 4x4 offroader > estate car > compact car > mini smartcar > motorcyclist > cyclist.

      In a single lane road, the smaller vehicle has to reverse back if someone is coming the other way. Does lead to some interesting situations where two vehicles are exactly the same size.

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    6. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      More likely is the drooling idiot that parks his giant bro-dozer truck in the "compact car only" spot consuming 2 and 1/2 spots.

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    7. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Except that in the US it's exceedingly rare to have bidirectional 1 lane thoroughfares

      The rarity of these types of roadways makes it even more likely that the devices do not properly handle them.

      signal the immediate need to clean up these niche cases.

      Or involvement of traffic authorities and citation of drivers, if their equipment hinders the roadway.

    8. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      > The rarity of these types of roadways makes it even more likely that the devices do not properly handle them.

      The case described does not have a proper procedure. This is a traffic design failing, not a civil liability.

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    9. Re:Teething pains are going to be a bitch. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The case described does not have a proper procedure. This is a traffic design failing, not a civil liability.

      The roadways are designed for human use, and vehicles which are operated by humans at all time: the public roads are not provided for just any possible use that people are able to imagine. Human-operated vehicles handle these situations just fine, therefore, if the machine does not, and the manufacturer encourages its operation unattended, then the machine (or its human operator who made it operate without being behind the wheel) has liability.

  6. Re:Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That's just what he wants you to think, numbnuts. The real secret he's trying to hide is that he was born in New Jersey.

  7. Re: KIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KITT. 2 t's. Knight Industries Two Thousand.

    Kids these days...

  8. Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will be interesting to see if the bottom feeders can come up with a number to cover their clients without having any stats to ensure their wealth.

  9. Does it pass the Baby Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the upgrade passes the Baby Test: Lay down a 24 month old baby in the center of the parking spot, and summon the Tesla into to park itself. Expected outcome: There should be no leaking blood.

    1. Re:Does it pass the Baby Test? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      expected outcome: 2-year-old is 150 meters away when the Tesla shows up.

    2. Re:Does it pass the Baby Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've just tested the above: not with a real baby, mind you.
      I used a babydoll from my daughter, and the car stopped. The same as it does when another (big) object is in the way, like a trashbin.

      So does that meet your Baby Test's requirements?

    3. Re:Does it pass the Baby Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but I hoe the car didn't just stop in the middle of the road, causing a traffic hazard. Where did the car drive to?

    4. Re:Does it pass the Baby Test? by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the upgrade passes the Baby Test: Lay down a 24 month old baby in the center of the parking spot, and summon the Tesla into to park itself. Expected outcome: There should be no leaking blood.

      I tried it out -- results are mixed. The car passes the test when the air suspension is set to the "high" and "standard" settings, but not when it is set to the "low" or "very low" settings.

      On a related note, can anyone recommend a good pressure washer?

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    5. Re: Does it pass the Baby Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried it out with a fake baby, and the test failed, it hit the baby.

      Just kidding! The baby was real.

    6. Re:Does it pass the Baby Test? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just among us, don't you ever run out of babies?

  10. Is a Tesla a Nice Parker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wondering what happens when a Tesla "Steals" a spot from sone who was waiting for it.

  11. Re: KIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very true.

    Not to be confused with KARR. Knight Automated Roving Robot. Or Douchellhoffe, now known as Hoff, who is the douche behind the wheel...

  12. Pffft... by tomhath · · Score: 1

    I saw the Batmobile do that years ago (in a movie, but I'm sure it was real).

  13. Text has error in it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the update text has errors in it ( i.e. frunk instead of trunk, ref: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/60293-Firmware-7-1 ), I hope the feature itself was better QA'd.....

    1. Re:Text has error in it... by zwede · · Score: 5, Informative

      If the update text has errors in it ( i.e. frunk instead of trunk, ref: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com... ), I hope the feature itself was better QA'd.....

      That's not a typo. "Frunk" is Tesla's term for the front trunk.

    2. Re:Text has error in it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope - frunk is the front stowage compartment. No engine, nothing to put in the engine bay but more personal belongings. Kind of like on mid/rear engine cars, except you get the front and back.

    3. Re:Text has error in it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad they didn't co-opt "boot" from UK parlance. Must be keeping their options open for release outside the US ....

    4. Re:Text has error in it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the update text has errors in it ( i.e. frunk instead of trunk, ref: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com... ), I hope the feature itself was better QA'd.....

      That's not a typo. "Frunk" is Tesla's term for the front trunk.

      so it's a foot then in front and boot in back?

  14. Just waiting for the malware... by wierd_w · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm just waiting for the malware to hit these smart cars.

    Just a few possibly lucrative scams that could manifest in due time:

    Ransomware. "Pay us OMGWTFBBQ! dollars, or never drive your expensive status symbol ever again! We've encrypted the entire drive control computer's filesystem, so pay up."

    Spyware: "Know where your spouse is REALLY going during the day! Our special software runs silently on smart cars to let you know exactly where and how long it has been running! Easy integration with our smartphone app!"

    Law enforcement bullshit: "You say you were driving under the speed limit, but your car alerted us to the contrary. Enjoy your automated speeding ticket."

    Adware: "Hello commuter! It looks like you are getting low on gas! Why not try Speedy's Gas and Go?" (Played loudly over the in-car speaker system, via coopted media control system., with no option to turn down the volume or stop the advert(s).)

    And of course, the various kinds of dangerous hacker things--

    Like:

    "Drive your expensive smart car on remote control from a smart phone! (we wont be liable for damages or loss of life/injury from doing this.)"

    Or--

    Government black ops: "We caused his car to lock the user controls, and autodrove him off the side of an unfinished highway ramp. We made it look like he was driving while drunk."

    I dont want to sound like a Luddite here, but really-- Not everything needs to be "Smart."

    1. Re:Just waiting for the malware... by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      I think the actual exploit will be more like:

      "Hello Mr. Passenger -- we've taken the liberty of re-routing your car... you're now on your way to Tierra del Fuego, ETA next Tuesday. If you'd like to be re-routed back towards your original destination, please send bitcoins to the address via your cell phone. We'll wait..."

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    2. Re: Just waiting for the malware... by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I could figure out how to install bitcoin software on my cell phone by Tuesday. Ah well, a good excuse to get out of work. :)

    3. Re: Just waiting for the malware... by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      I hope you had the foresight to install a portable toilet in your passenger cabin, because the car won't be making any stops... ;)

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    4. Re: Just waiting for the malware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much fuel and/or battery power does your car hold? Or are you nuclear-powered? And are you so clueless as to not know how to disable the computer in case of an emergency?

  15. Misleading Statement in Article by ebob · · Score: 2

    The linked article contains a misleading statement which is given as a quote: Autosteer is now “restricted to residential roads and roads without a center divider.” which implies that it can only be used on these type roads. Actually, the upgrade restricts driving on residential roads and roads without a center divider by limiting the maximum autopilot speed to 5 mph above the posted speed limit. So, quite a different spin. (Source Ver 7.1 release notes)

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    1. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Where does it get the posted speed limit from? Any ways that makes it use less for I-294 now.

    2. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A car that has 360 radar and the ability to park itself and you think it can not keep up with the flow of traffic?

    3. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by ebob · · Score: 1

      It reads the speed limit signs using the front facing camera.

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    4. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I reads the speed limit signs on the side of the road. It's pretty accurate. It will also adjust the cruise control to the speed limit +/- a delta that you select.

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    5. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      The 5 MPH over posted limit is to low from some roads

    6. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love screwing Tesla drivers, it's a bit of a pain to print those large 10 MPH speed limit signs, but the laughter afterwards is worth it.

    7. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cars posting on Slashdot? now I'm getting worried.

    8. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a residential street where the scumbags are flying down it at 30mph over you need to start throwing rocks at cars that drive on it.

      Only complete shitbags speed on residential streets. Complete and total shitbags that need their tires slashed and windows broken.

    9. Re:Misleading Statement in Article by mspohr · · Score: 1

      What makes you think I'm not a dog?
      (Sorry about the typo but it was funny...)

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  16. And who pays? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it? Who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and scrapes a wall? Will Tesla pay for this kind of accident?

    If this system fails only one out of a 1000 times, that still means it's going to hit something sooner or later. Of course, I may hit something when I park, but then it's my fault for not taking more care.

    I park my car 4 or 5 times a day on average, and a failure rate of 1-in-1000 means that by the end of the year the auto-parking is going to cause at least one contact event. Who's fault is it when the software stumbles and fails?

    What about when some clown behind you tries to move at the same time the car is trying to self park?
    What happens when the software doesn't read the surrounding environment just right and the car is left half in and half out of a space?
    What happens when some jackass parks waaaaaaay too close to your car after it's already parked?

    Don't get me wrong- I like the idea, I just see a *lot* of potential problems with implementing it in a real-world environment.

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    1. Re:And who pays? by gnupun · · Score: 1

      And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it? Who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and scrapes a wall? Will Tesla pay for this kind of accident?

      If the human car owner is at fault, he/she should pay. If the car AI is at fault, the car maker should pay. I guess the insurance companies will receive two premiums per car -- one from the car owner and another from the car maker.

    2. Re:And who pays? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Wait until the insurance companies force you to pay double premiums because you insist on still driving the car yourself.

    3. Re:And who pays? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      As a bicyclist commuter, I'm looking forward to that day. If it could come yesterday that would be great.
       
      A guy blew through a red light and killed my buddy Bryan from high school who was riding his motorcycle through his green light on Friday and killed him. Although it's possible there could be a software glitch that would cause the computer to do the same thing, it's not likely.
       
      Five months ago a drunk driver ran a red light and ran over my friend Deb who was crossing at the crosswalk along a bike path she uses to get to and from work. She survived, but spent two days in the hospital and only last month was able to get on a bicycle again.

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    4. Re:And who pays? by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "And who pays when it doesn't work exactly right and it crunches the car next to it?"

      Who pays when any machinery you own wreaks havoc? Who pays if your car suddenly loses its parking brakes on a slope and crashes into something? Who pays if a plane crashes when on autopilot? Why do you expect a Tesla car to be any different?

      Of course, you can always sue back the machinery builder -any machinery, if you think you have a case.

    5. Re: And who pays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radar picks up clowns car 0.654m away, 0.612m away 40ms later, calculates whether a collision may occur, engages brake 5ms later, preventing collision.

      What do you think will happen?

    6. Re: And who pays? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banning bikes from the streets would have saved both and would keep you safe. I don't need a bicycle and neither do you.

    7. Re: And who pays? by cstacy · · Score: 1

      Radar picks up clowns car 0.654m away, 0.612m away 40ms later, calculates whether a collision may occur, engages brake 5ms later, preventing collision.

      What do you think will happen?

      I think that about 6.12 secs later, 11.0 clowns will be pouring out of the clown car, and absolute hilarity will ensue!

    8. Re:And who pays? by flux · · Score: 1

      You may find that the opposite happens..

    9. Re:And who pays? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      did you push the button to make it park? Then you are 100% liable.

      It's really simple, but wont stop a scumbag from trying to lawyer his way out of it.

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    10. Re:And who pays? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Who pays when any machinery you own wreaks havoc? Who pays if your car suddenly loses its parking brakes on a slope and crashes into something?

      Sometimes you pay, sometimes the manufacturer pays. It depends on the circumstances.

      For example, Takata has to pay for refitting 34 million vehicles with defective air bags. In the parking brake example you cite, if the parking brake was found to be defective the owner wouldn't normally be found to be liable.

      And so it may or may not be with Tesla- if they produce software that causes the operation of a car to malfunction, they may be deemed to be at fault. Or maybe the insurance company will make you pay instead, leaving you to try and collect from Tesla. And this is what I'm asking- who will pay, and how?

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    11. Re:And who pays? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Given the statistics so far. I highly doubt that's going to be the case. If they have deductibles broken down by gender, marriage status and age they're definitely going to split them along human / non-human lines.

    12. Re:And who pays? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      did you push the button to make it park? Then you are 100% liable.

      I don't think it's that simple. If the parking software has a defect that causes the car to strike something or veer out into traffic or accelerate in reverse at 100mph, I don't think it's a matter of "Well, you pressed the button".

      Are people going to be held responsible for when they pressed the button, or what the circumstances were when they pressed it? How will responsibility be apportioned when a person hands off control of something like a car to a software agent that interacts with potentially harmful or fatal consequences?

      As more sophisticated automation starts becoming commonplace I think we'll see a lot of these kinds of gray "responsibility" areas coming up.

      In fact,. wouldn't be surprised if it spawned a whole new field of law or legal specialty just to deal with the interaction between automated vehicle behaviors and real-world effects/consequences.

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  17. That's not really "parking" by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The video shows the car moving up to 39 feet in a straight line to get out of a tight garage. That's not really "parking". A "real" autopark would be if I could get out of the car at the door to my office, then send the car to go park itself in the lot.

    1. Re:That's not really "parking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Patience, grasshopper.

    2. Re:That's not really "parking" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Auto-steering seems to be out of beta, which is a bit worrying when they are still issuing updates like "doesn't crash into highway exits" and "doesn't stop working if lane markings are faded.

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    3. Re:That's not really "parking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Complete with a digital finger to display when someone cuts the car off and steals its spot.

    4. Re:That's not really "parking" by Tom · · Score: 1

      Millions of women would be happy if they could get out in front of a parking space and let the car handle the rest. With this feature alone, Tesla guaranteed that the wives of every rich man on the planet will ask for a Tesla as their next car.

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    5. Re:That's not really "parking" by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If it can "go park" and "come back" from a parking garage, or parallel park on a street, then I will be impressed. Backing out of a garage and onto a driveway is nothing.

  18. Unwanted Features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Features like this are really going to suck for people who don't have them. Now someone can park so close to you that they can't open their doors to get out, meaning you also can't open your doors to get into the car to leave. Hopefully you'll be able to wiggle through the trunk, into the backseat, and up to the front.

  19. Yield right of way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assure you that I have no intention of yielding to a driverless car.

  20. In Seattle .... by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... we could just get out of our cars and have them drive endlessly around the block looking for a parking space.

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    1. Re:In Seattle .... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In Seattle they outlaw human driven cars from downtown.

    2. Re: In Seattle .... by Fwipp · · Score: 1

      If only. The number of humans that pull into an intersection without space to exit and block the intersection for several light cycles... Ugh.

    3. Re: In Seattle .... by GNious · · Score: 1

      Where I'm from, that's illegal - sounds like some cameras and a bit of software could be made to correct that behaviour (and make money!)

    4. Re:In Seattle .... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can still park in Seattle if you slip a few people on the city council $30,000. Or your name is Diamond.

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  21. In Putin's Russia by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    . . . car makes space for you!

  22. Valet Parking? by Art+Challenor · · Score: 2

    summon their cars that already happen to be parked.

    Who get's the $10 tip?

    1. Re:Valet Parking? by Jimbob+The+Mighty · · Score: 1

      summon their cars that already happen to be parked.

      Who get's the $10 tip?

      Elon Musk, every time.

      It's one way he's funding his plans for world domination.

  23. False Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this really lets you do is get out of your car and have it back into a parking space that is otherwise too narrow to get in and out of comfortably. They also have an auto parallel parking feature that Ford has supported for YEARS. This is not something that will go out into a parking lot or garage and Valet your car for you from the entrance of a store or whatever.

    1. Re:False Advertising by ledow · · Score: 1

      If the parking space is too narrow, all you've done is fuck the drivers next to you who can't get into their cars until you move yours.

    2. Re:False Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American parking spaces are a lot larger than European parking spaces. a Tesla is considered a big car here.

    3. Re:False Advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who likely parked like sloppy ass holes to begin with, so they deserve it.

  24. Re:In Seattle ....FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... we could just get out of our cars and have them drive endlessly around the block instead of looking for a parking space.

  25. Quick question by Comen · · Score: 1

    I am curious why just simple remote auto start/stop of your engine is not a standard option by now, it is something I had to add to me car via a 3rd party security system. It is mostly nice when heating up your car in the morning and turning on defrost.

    1. Re:Quick question by ThosLives · · Score: 1

      Some of us own garages and don't want our cars to be able to be started by a remote actor.

      Always remember: if you can do something remotely, someone else can too.

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    2. Re:Quick question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the car door is still locked.
      See, with an electric car .. there are no fumes so
      sitting there in the garage getting warm poses no
      health concerns.

  26. Really? by ledow · · Score: 0

    Who is responsible for if it damages a car or runs over a toddler?

    The driver? Nobody will use it after the first news report of an accident.

    The car manufacturer? Nobody will be able to afford one once the insurance liability kicks into the retail price.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The driver has to stand within 10ft and can start/stop the car at any time using the key fob. I think this gives the driver an even better view than when sitting inside the car. FWIW, a Tesla should easily detect a toddler, bit on the camera and it's ultrasonic sensors. The fact that a Tesla stores all driver actions, car actions and the 3D position of all nearby obstacles and vehicles should greatly reduce liability questions.

    2. Re:Really? by ledow · · Score: 1

      I think that gives them a view of maximum two sides, obscuring everything behind 50% of the car on the far side that's hardest to judge, and likely only two corners, personally.

      Compared to the front, sides, and mirrors to the rear when sitting inside the car, even before you get into cameras etc. from a central location where you can see all without moving more than your head.

      But, hell, I'm only a mathematician.

    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are. The notes clearly say: "Summon requires that you continually monitor your vehicle's movement and surroundings and that you are prepared to stop the vehicle at any time using your key fob". Basically, what you do with this is you align the car with the parking space, get out of the car, and have the car pull into the parking space *while you oversee it doing it*. This is primarily good for when there'd be a wall/pillar/mud puddle etc. next to the driver's door after you parked.

    4. Re:Really? by gnupun · · Score: 1

      Summon requires that you continually monitor your vehicle's movement and surroundings

      So it's a lot like driving the car yourself -- this should not be called "car parks itself" then. What happens if you can't see some hidden object while summoning and that object gets crushed by your car? I guess it's the summoner's fault.

  27. Nothing like this is worth the risk of OTA updates by ffkom · · Score: 2

    A machine easily capable of killing me (and others) by a mere unintended 5 change of direction while driving on a highway is certainly the least machine that I want to receive over-the-air updates at any time.

    Maybe Tesla is a little less profit-above-everything inclined than other companies at this time, but there's no reason to think it will stay like this. Just look how OTA-firmware upgrades have worked against owners of LG-TVs, PS3s and so on... one day, a pointy haired boss will decide to change Tesla car firmware to boost his profits, not your well-being.

  28. "5 degree change of direction" was meant... by ffkom · · Score: 1

    ... but Slashdot refuses to put the degree character into the title, even if HTML-encoded.

  29. Re:frunk trunk by maestroX · · Score: 1
    It should be a typo. I do not want to read:

    "Fapping the cruise stalk up or down; the set speed will be set to Model S's current speed."