"Socialism isn't bad per se, but it has inefficiencies that reduce total wealth creation [...] Think of it as being a pie {...] In most scenarios the average person ends up with more pie"
Let's say I accept all you say. That, in fact, the ability to "produce pies" of northern-europe style socialdemocracies is in fact shorter than that of "free hands" capitalism and that in most scenarios that ends up with "less pie" for the average person.
It seems that current globablized world (and the one in the years to come) is one of those scenarios that make the exception: the average citizen ends up with less pie now, even if the pie is bigger.
"Perhaps the placement of the antenna was a design flaw?"
It doesn't look like. The antenna needs energy to work and the energy comes from the solar panels. Given such a dependency it doesn't seem wrong to make the antenna serviceable dependendant on the solar panels being deployed -with the nice side effect that the panels will somehow protect the antenna at landing.
"I guess the circuits controlling communications got screwed up, so it was assumed to be lost."
I know this is Slashdot and people is not expected to RTFA but you... guess!!!???
From the header: "Beagle's design incorporated a series of deployable "petals," on which were mounted its solar panels. From the images, it seems that this system did not unfurl fully. "Without full deployment, there is no way we could have communicated with it as the radio frequency antenna was under the solar panels," explained Prof Mark Sims, Beagle's mission manager from Leicester University."
Except the menace of the public posting seems to be the only way for the vendor to move forward.
Is my bet that if Microsoft were doing their best effort to patch the bug and keep informed Google about it and the expected resolution time, they wouldn't have released the information.
By stating that since Microsoft business practices equal those of Google and then more, it can't be followed that Google is any more evil than Microsoft.
"The only reasons I've heard for systemd that seem valid are that a system will boot faster and hibernation/sleep modes will work properly"
Add another one: init dependencies working properly.
I.e.: a raid-ed root filesystem out of iSCSI volumes. These kind of scenarios are certainly not very well managed by standard sysv and require manual ad hoc tweaking.
"People pay higher prices for cars and houses (and various forms of imaginary property) in the US because they have to."
No, they don't. They can rent, or move to a cheaper neighborhood, or stay longer in their parents' home. And with regards to cars, USA is the 4th country in the world in vehicles per capita only behind San Marino, Monaco and Liechtenstein. They want to, which is different.
"then to be fair"
You see... it's called free market, not fair market.
"the guy's hardly going to say it's OK to blaspheme, is he? It's just not in his job description. Whatever his personal opinion may be, he's is not at liberty to promote the same viewpoints as Charlie Hebdo."
The job description includes believing at heart these kinds of things. It is not "whatever his personal opinion may be" for if his personal opinion were actually any different he should resign on the spot.
"actually, the free market only works for the powerful"
What else did you expect!?
"Negotiating has long disappeared."
No, it hasn't. It's just showing its true value. Your negotiation position in a free market always depends on your relative strengh (do you remember the "fully knowledge" thingie about free markets, right?).
Both parties trying to reach an agreement are using their full strengh to push it to their side, as they are expected to do and the result you observe is just the one a free market was designed to offer; if you dislike it, well, there are other socioeconomic systems.
"No, I am fine with free market forces as long as they are applied both on the pay side and on the side of stuff I have to pay for."
No, you don't. You don't have houses at $50k or cars at $8,000 because people do pay higher prices for them. You want low prices on what you buy and high prices on what you produce and you want government helping you on that. Sorry, that's not how free markets work.
"I'm fine with free market forces. They can go ahead and pay me $36k for my 25 years of experience. Along with that, they can go ahead and make a 6,000 square foot mansion cost $50k and a car cost $8,000 etc, so that we can afford to compete equally."
I see... you are fine with free market forces as long as they are not free.
"A resource is worth whatever provider and consumer agree to be its price.
Unless of course, you're a large corporation who can lobby and buy laws that protect your business, product, and profits."
Which it is not the case here. I mean, of course large corporations are lobbying and buying laws, etc. but here we are talking about foreign people that want to go to USA out of their free will and set in good faith a price for their services. It hardly can be more adamsmith-compliant than that.
No, *this* are Lennart's own words: let's summarize what we are trying to do: * We want an efficient way that allows vendors to package their software * We want to allow end users and administrators to install these packages on their systems, regardless which distribution they have installed on it. * We want a unified solution that ultimately can cover updates for full systems, OS containers, end user apps, programming ABIs, and more. * We want our images to be trustable (i.e. signed). In fact we want a fully trustable OS
So my reading is: we want Linux ecosystem to disappear and be substituted by Microsoft's business model where there's just one OS (Red Hat) and a set of corporate software vendors.
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"It didn't lobby the Spanish government to actually do anything"
Well, you are wrong. USA *do* lobby Spanish government: at the very least, the Monsanto, copyright, "free" commerce... cases are fully documented.
"Socialism isn't bad per se, but it has inefficiencies that reduce total wealth creation [...] Think of it as being a pie {...] In most scenarios the average person ends up with more pie"
Let's say I accept all you say. That, in fact, the ability to "produce pies" of northern-europe style socialdemocracies is in fact shorter than that of "free hands" capitalism and that in most scenarios that ends up with "less pie" for the average person.
It seems that current globablized world (and the one in the years to come) is one of those scenarios that make the exception: the average citizen ends up with less pie now, even if the pie is bigger.
"Perhaps the placement of the antenna was a design flaw?"
It doesn't look like. The antenna needs energy to work and the energy comes from the solar panels. Given such a dependency it doesn't seem wrong to make the antenna serviceable dependendant on the solar panels being deployed -with the nice side effect that the panels will somehow protect the antenna at landing.
"I guess the circuits controlling communications got screwed up, so it was assumed to be lost."
I know this is Slashdot and people is not expected to RTFA but you... guess!!!???
From the header:
"Beagle's design incorporated a series of deployable "petals," on which were mounted its solar panels. From the images, it seems that this system did not unfurl fully. "Without full deployment, there is no way we could have communicated with it as the radio frequency antenna was under the solar panels," explained Prof Mark Sims, Beagle's mission manager from Leicester University."
"Except without the public posting of them."
Except the menace of the public posting seems to be the only way for the vendor to move forward.
Is my bet that if Microsoft were doing their best effort to patch the bug and keep informed Google about it and the expected resolution time, they wouldn't have released the information.
"And that fact negates the OPs comment how?"
By stating that since Microsoft business practices equal those of Google and then more, it can't be followed that Google is any more evil than Microsoft.
Signed: Captain "So I thought" Obvious
"The only reasons I've heard for systemd that seem valid are that a system will boot faster and hibernation/sleep modes will work properly"
Add another one: init dependencies working properly.
I.e.: a raid-ed root filesystem out of iSCSI volumes. These kind of scenarios are certainly not very well managed by standard sysv and require manual ad hoc tweaking.
"Granting satellites get past the political boundaries."
Yes, but it is much more Dr. Evil-esque.
Is it "Virgin" or "Virtucon"?
"People pay higher prices for cars and houses (and various forms of imaginary property) in the US because they have to."
No, they don't. They can rent, or move to a cheaper neighborhood, or stay longer in their parents' home. And with regards to cars, USA is the 4th country in the world in vehicles per capita only behind San Marino, Monaco and Liechtenstein. They want to, which is different.
"then to be fair"
You see... it's called free market, not fair market.
"The problem is that so far everything else we've tried has sucked more."
Do you really think that, for instance, Norway, or Denmark, or Finland suck more than USA?
"My personal view is if they can't accept and live with it then they should emigrate to a country with laws more to their liking."
And their personal view is to change the laws to abide to their liking.
"the guy's hardly going to say it's OK to blaspheme, is he? It's just not in his job description. Whatever his personal opinion may be, he's is not at liberty to promote the same viewpoints as Charlie Hebdo."
The job description includes believing at heart these kinds of things. It is not "whatever his personal opinion may be" for if his personal opinion were actually any different he should resign on the spot.
"actually, the free market only works for the powerful"
What else did you expect!?
"Negotiating has long disappeared."
No, it hasn't. It's just showing its true value. Your negotiation position in a free market always depends on your relative strengh (do you remember the "fully knowledge" thingie about free markets, right?).
Both parties trying to reach an agreement are using their full strengh to push it to their side, as they are expected to do and the result you observe is just the one a free market was designed to offer; if you dislike it, well, there are other socioeconomic systems.
"What if he is?"
Now we are reaching to something. Exactly: what if he is.
"Free market forces can suck very much."
Exactly that. The sooner the people understand this, the sooner they'll be ready to accept corretive actions.
"No, I am fine with free market forces as long as they are applied both on the pay side and on the side of stuff I have to pay for."
No, you don't. You don't have houses at $50k or cars at $8,000 because people do pay higher prices for them. You want low prices on what you buy and high prices on what you produce and you want government helping you on that. Sorry, that's not how free markets work.
"I'm fine with free market forces. They can go ahead and pay me $36k for my 25 years of experience. Along with that, they can go ahead and make a 6,000 square foot mansion cost $50k and a car cost $8,000 etc, so that we can afford to compete equally."
I see... you are fine with free market forces as long as they are not free.
"This also fails as a "free market" because the labor that's being undercut isn't able to move where costs are lower."
Are you sure? How is it that the Indian guy can move but you don't?
"A resource is worth whatever provider and consumer agree to be its price.
Unless of course, you're a large corporation who can lobby and buy laws that protect your business, product, and profits."
Which it is not the case here. I mean, of course large corporations are lobbying and buying laws, etc. but here we are talking about foreign people that want to go to USA out of their free will and set in good faith a price for their services. It hardly can be more adamsmith-compliant than that.
"You're delusional if you think the USA has anything even near a "free market" to begin with."
You are just evading the question. Are you, then, against free market forces?
"Uh, a federal bill giving benefits for importing low cost workers isn't free market, dumbass."
No, it's a federal bill taking out limitations for importing low cost workers. It IS free market, dumbass.
"Here, in Lennart's own words"
No, *this* are Lennart's own words:
let's summarize what we are trying to do:
* We want an efficient way that allows vendors to package their software
* We want to allow end users and administrators to install these packages on their systems, regardless which distribution they have installed on it.
* We want a unified solution that ultimately can cover updates for full systems, OS containers, end user apps, programming ABIs, and more.
* We want our images to be trustable (i.e. signed). In fact we want a fully trustable OS
So my reading is: we want Linux ecosystem to disappear and be substituted by Microsoft's business model where there's just one OS (Red Hat) and a set of corporate software vendors.
"Why did they start going downhill so hard? "
Because they chose somebody coming from an airline (and a CFO on that) for a CEO. What else would you expect?
"Couldn't we port Emacs on SystemD and have a complete OS?"
You'd still lack a decent editor.
"Do the legislators really believe that, in doing this, US tech workers won't be negatively effected?"
Of course not. They really believe that, in doing this, they the legislators will be positively affected by means of their corporate patrons.
"And the business can get away with paying them half of what a local is worth."
A resource is worth whatever provider and consumer agree to be its price.
Maybe instead of "what a local is worth" you should say "what a local values himself", not the same thing.