That means they'd better don't license it under GPLv3, not that it can't be open sourced. Granting support/compliancy to a given combination of hardware/software is business-as-usual so I don't really see what your point really is (unless FUD, that is)
Given that probably about 90% SWATs shouldn't exist to start with (I remember an article here not so long ago) I'd bet they run to "demonstrate" they are in fact so much needed.
Yes with BSD you would have end up in exactly the same case: you still need to comply on third party code licensing terms. What, but trolling, makes you think otherwise?
Yeah you are rigth in everything you say. Now, what makes you think that's not exactly what will happen with your next needle robot? Greedy capitalism?
At keast humans have that envelope protection called 'common sense'.
"Ooh, sorry, did you think that US aid actually went to the people? Nah, you cannot be that stupid."
No, I'm not. Did you think that comercial agreements so Coke can sell their goods or open their local mills or the agreements to decide in which market to sell their oil was made by the people? Nah, you cannot be that stupid.
"I have a theory too: that you're a fucking moron."
Probably yes, if only because of Sturgeon's law. But then, I'm the kind of fucking moron quite capable to make a salary significantly above average and that uses both his income and his own internal life and friends for the seek of hapiness and that is capable to live a life quite in harmony with himself. In the other hand, you don't look like a happy person.
So what's your point, again?
"To wit: Lots of us engage in abusive activity like this and we don't succeed with the type of behavior Linus exhibits here."
For certain. That's why I didn't built Linus' behaviour into a universal but stated that that's what Linus thinks, that's what Linus supports and that's what -evidently, works for him. Especifically against those that -like you, try to confront his obvious success with just words. "Oh! but other world is possible!" Mr Torvalds shows his world, you still has nothing to show. Remember: Linus was the first to state that *his* kernel tree is not Linux but Linus' Linux kernel tree. So, if you really think you can do better, heck, you are a `git clone` away from showing how well you theory stands the reality check.
"So is this behavior necessary for success?"
I don't know, that's not the point. The point is that his behaviour obviouly correlates to success. Do you *really* know any better? Do you have *facts* supporting your theory, if only in the way of correlation?
What I stated, and that's obvious, is that *for him* it works while, in the other hand, all you have is theories and dreams of grandeur about how you would be able to do it better in some other way -in a field which, funnily, is ridiculously easy to go from words to facts: just clone away Linux tree and show how your theory works any better.
Specially if you in fact made a stupid fucking mistake. And here comes the nut of the issue: how many time does Linus tell somebody that "made a stupid fucking mistake" and it resulted that in the end it was not a stupid fucking mistake?
You know, first well-know "harsh" conversation from Linus was the one with Tanembaum, if you see my point... and he was back then just a pimply young fellow.
"The fact Linux is awesome and Linus is an abusive and profane manager doesn't mean the profanity and abuse is necessary to make Linux awesome."
No. But the fact that Linus is sometimes abusive, plus the fact that he thinks that sometimes he has to be abusive, plus the fact that he leads no less than Linux as a testament to his management abilities does mean something.
He has a theory, he practices it and he has success backing him. You have a theory and... what else?
>> I agree, but if you do find a CxO with that kind of integrity, well, you really found a rare bird. > They don't need to have it, they only need to value it in others.
Wrong! If I know that I have no integrity and that sooner or later I'm going to go illegal to reach my goals, I don't want somebody that won't hesitate to call the policy on my actions lurking around.
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And the fact that so many people believe that to be true is in the basis of the bad shape of your justice system.
No, prosecution is not there to find yuo guilty but to find the truth of a case. There's no simmetry between prosecution and defense.
Not unless netcraft confirms it!
That means they'd better don't license it under GPLv3, not that it can't be open sourced. Granting support/compliancy to a given combination of hardware/software is business-as-usual so I don't really see what your point really is (unless FUD, that is)
Earning money in the billions, you mean? I'd bet canonical wouldn't mind such a mistake.
Are you sure? Please remember that in any case they are not impacting their bottomline but yours.
Given that probably about 90% SWATs shouldn't exist to start with (I remember an article here not so long ago) I'd bet they run to "demonstrate" they are in fact so much needed.
And you are French, obviously.
You probably were thinking on Cyberdyne.
Then other companies with more clever management will take advantage of it and will outperform them. Isn't that free market in action?
Yes with BSD you would have end up in exactly the same case: you still need to comply on third party code licensing terms. What, but trolling, makes you think otherwise?
Which ends up being nothing but the old dll hell in new robes. Youngsters nowadays...
What!!?? You don't have seven fingers on each hand!? No wonder you have troubles: you chose the wrong editor given your disability!
"I fired emacs to edit a config file"
So your penance came along with your sin. You tried to edit a config file with emacs instead of vim. You diserve what came later
Yeah you are rigth in everything you say. Now, what makes you think that's not exactly what will happen with your next needle robot? Greedy capitalism?
At keast humans have that envelope protection called 'common sense'.
"Ooh, sorry, did you think that US aid actually went to the people? Nah, you cannot be that stupid."
No, I'm not. Did you think that comercial agreements so Coke can sell their goods or open their local mills or the agreements to decide in which market to sell their oil was made by the people? Nah, you cannot be that stupid.
"How about we quit giving so much fucking money to other countries, like Egypt, etc....and save that money to give to our OWN Post Office system"
It's a good idea but then forget about selling those countries your Coca-Colas or having a say on who are they going to sell their oil to.
"I'm all for a small fee to deliver to the door."
They used to call that a "mail stamp".
Not to talk about mc hammer!
Specially at the individual level that's exactly what money is: bottled time.
Well, just my thoughts, so netiqette be damned, I'll add a big "me too" here.
"I have a theory too: that you're a fucking moron."
Probably yes, if only because of Sturgeon's law. But then, I'm the kind of fucking moron quite capable to make a salary significantly above average and that uses both his income and his own internal life and friends for the seek of hapiness and that is capable to live a life quite in harmony with himself. In the other hand, you don't look like a happy person.
So what's your point, again?
"To wit: Lots of us engage in abusive activity like this and we don't succeed with the type of behavior Linus exhibits here."
For certain. That's why I didn't built Linus' behaviour into a universal but stated that that's what Linus thinks, that's what Linus supports and that's what -evidently, works for him. Especifically against those that -like you, try to confront his obvious success with just words. "Oh! but other world is possible!" Mr Torvalds shows his world, you still has nothing to show. Remember: Linus was the first to state that *his* kernel tree is not Linux but Linus' Linux kernel tree. So, if you really think you can do better, heck, you are a `git clone` away from showing how well you theory stands the reality check.
"So is this behavior necessary for success?"
I don't know, that's not the point. The point is that his behaviour obviouly correlates to success. Do you *really* know any better? Do you have *facts* supporting your theory, if only in the way of correlation?
What I stated, and that's obvious, is that *for him* it works while, in the other hand, all you have is theories and dreams of grandeur about how you would be able to do it better in some other way -in a field which, funnily, is ridiculously easy to go from words to facts: just clone away Linux tree and show how your theory works any better.
"...and, if it were possible, I'd say it's time to do the same to that kid Linus."
You mean, in order to have him back in a few years as the only means to save Linux from wreakeage and make it value 100x what it previously was?
Well, it seems quite a good idea, after all.
"Telling me "you made a stupid fucking mistake""
Specially if you in fact made a stupid fucking mistake. And here comes the nut of the issue: how many time does Linus tell somebody that "made a stupid fucking mistake" and it resulted that in the end it was not a stupid fucking mistake?
You know, first well-know "harsh" conversation from Linus was the one with Tanembaum, if you see my point... and he was back then just a pimply young fellow.
"The fact Linux is awesome and Linus is an abusive and profane manager doesn't mean the profanity and abuse is necessary to make Linux awesome."
No. But the fact that Linus is sometimes abusive, plus the fact that he thinks that sometimes he has to be abusive, plus the fact that he leads no less than Linux as a testament to his management abilities does mean something.
He has a theory, he practices it and he has success backing him. You have a theory and... what else?
>> I agree, but if you do find a CxO with that kind of integrity, well, you really found a rare bird.
> They don't need to have it, they only need to value it in others.
Wrong! If I know that I have no integrity and that sooner or later I'm going to go illegal to reach my goals, I don't want somebody that won't hesitate to call the policy on my actions lurking around.