While not the topic of this post, we do want to assure you that, when a consumer buys a WOA PC, it will be clearly labeled and branded so as to avoid potential confusion with Windows 8 on x86/64. The PC will come with the OS preinstalled, and all drivers and supporting software.
You've made a number of argumentative comments(read, trollish) on this article, but you haven't even RTFA, like a typical anti-MSFT troll.
The Lumia 800 launched in very few countries like the UK in mid Nov. They only launched in Feb in their home country, Finland, and were sold out instantly.
Is this a troll? Nokia did a one time write down of their Navteq purchase of 1 billion last quarter, that's why they lost so much money in that particular quarter. Also, the MS deal seems to be providing $250 million per quarter, that's one billion/yr since you seem to be weak in math.
I haven't really seen Windows 8 yet, but, this could potentially be a really awesome direction. I don't much like Windows personally, but I have always wished phones, tablets in particular had the flexibility of a general purpose computer. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping Microsoft let's this happen.
>Or forward. Or sideways. WP8 won't be binary compatible with WinCE-based WP7 (which itself wasn't compatible with WinCE-based WM6), nor with desktop Windows 8, nor with, apparently, any other OS that's ever existed. Sure hope they make it real easy for developers to build their existing code for WP8.
>The reason given was that the XBox Kinect was subsidized by game sales, but if using that defence, why not just subsidize this Kinect through the new app store Windows 8 will have?
XBox games cost $30 to $60 each. Metro Apps will cost far far below that, most in the low single digits(of which MS gets only 30%) and many free apps with ads(MS gets zero). Just look at the prices of apps in the Mac app store.
The point is that MS still got hit by a successful anti-trust lawsuit because of Netscape. If Google were held to the same standard, it might also be in the same boat.
>My experiences with MapQuest and it's user interface were far inferior to my Google Maps experience.
Netscape was pretty inferior to IE4 as well.
>Finally, no one is being forced to use any particular service of Google's and no one is forcing one to use Google's other services if one uses Google Search.
Microsoft never prevented anyone from installing or using Netscape either.
IIS still wins, based on the same metric that the iPhone wins over Android(or so the Apple afficionados keep claiming) because it corners the most profit in the smartphone market. IIS makes Microsoft billions every quarter, whereas Apache and nginx barely make their makers anything.
The UI is horrible. It's not open source. No one is making apps for it because it is dead in the market. You can't develop for it on OS X or Unix. You are forced to use Microsoft's shitty developer tools.
But, hey!, it has connectivity with Microsoft's piece of shit last place console!
LOL, fail.
1. You may dislike the UI, but a lot of people love it because of the minimalism.
5. Microsoft's developer tools are no where close to shitty, they're simply the best in the industry (YMMV).
6. The last point proves that you're a troll. XBox 360 is nowhere close to last place. It just had a record Thanksgiving beating all other consoles and they're flying off shelves thanks to Kinect and the new media features. Also, they're top on the biggest metric, the amount people spend money on, buying games.
* The UI tiles may be pretty, but that whole right-hand side of the screen is sitting there unused, making the whole thing look narrower, and therefore smaller *
>Windows Mobile, the discontinued product, is still outselling [reghardware.com] WP7, and those are the just-released latest numbers.
That's the wrong way to look at the data. Those are marketshare numbers, not sales numbers.
>What is Nokia supposed to do with only a small part of a small percentage of the market? Even the entire volume of WP7 sales is probably not enough to sustain them. And Microsoft can't even let them have that, because they'll never get their market share off the floor with only one vendor who, by necessity, will itself have to continue selling and marketing non-WP7 in the interim.
Huh what? Nokia is betting on new smartphone buyers, not exactly other WP7 users(who are already in contracts).
On one hand, that is so off-topic that you and all the people modding you should be ashamed.
A SELLER of apps on the Apple store CAN NOT cause their app to be removed. At all.
Apple can. The seller CAN NOT.
Of course Microsoft can. The point here that you completely missed is that individual sellers using the store now have this ability.
As an iApp developer, I simply do NOT have any ability to do as you imply and remove an app from anyone's device but my own. Only Apple can do that.
So you are all of wrong, off topic, mistaken, and completely missing the point.
Whoa there, slow down cowboy!
The summary does say seller can pull apps but there's no mention of that whatsoever in the article or anywhere else. I am going to assume that 'seller' here means Microsoft and not the developer(since MS is the one selling the goods).
What would you rather trust, a Slashdot summary filled with typos trying to bash MS or TFA?
Given the situation Bing is in, even a 1% search share increase for a $100 million cost is nothing. Firefox has 500 million users and maybe 20% of them won't change the default from Bing.
Sad if this happens and Firefox has to beg money from Bing. Whatever happened with the 500k/yr Mozilla CEOs who were paid so much money to diversify the revenue sources? Sad really.
The marketshare bleeding seems to have accelerated with the accelerated release schedule. Who cares about a few new features with each release when the extensions providing much needed functionality break? No to mention explicitly giving the finger to corporate usage. Ubuntu with Unity and Firefox with this schedule seem to have their head in the sand. Just emulating OS X (in the case of Unity) and Chrome(by Firefox) doesn't make them automatically successful.
This is like a fox(pardon the pun) branding itself with a hot iron to get black stripes to look and become a tiger.
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While not the topic of this post, we do want to assure you that, when a consumer buys a WOA PC, it will be clearly labeled and branded so as to avoid potential confusion with Windows 8 on x86/64. The PC will come with the OS preinstalled, and all drivers and supporting software.
You've made a number of argumentative comments(read, trollish) on this article, but you haven't even RTFA, like a typical anti-MSFT troll.
Please RTFA.
The Lumia 800 launched in very few countries like the UK in mid Nov. They only launched in Feb in their home country, Finland, and were sold out instantly.
How do you use the business logic developed for an Android phone for the iPad? There is the little problem of converting Obj-C to Android Java.
Is this a troll? Nokia did a one time write down of their Navteq purchase of 1 billion last quarter, that's why they lost so much money in that particular quarter. Also, the MS deal seems to be providing $250 million per quarter, that's one billion/yr since you seem to be weak in math.
I haven't really seen Windows 8 yet, but, this could potentially be a really awesome direction. I don't much like Windows personally, but I have always wished phones, tablets in particular had the flexibility of a general purpose computer. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping Microsoft let's this happen.
Windows 8 x86 tablets will have that.
>Or forward. Or sideways. WP8 won't be binary compatible with WinCE-based WP7 (which itself wasn't compatible with WinCE-based WM6), nor with desktop Windows 8, nor with, apparently, any other OS that's ever existed. Sure hope they make it real easy for developers to build their existing code for WP8.
WP7 apps will run on WP8.
http://wmpoweruser.com/brandon-watson-squashes-rumours-that-windows-phone-7-apps-will-be-incompatible-with-windows-phone-8/
>Google doesn't have a monopoly anywhere, even in search.
A 91% share in France isn't a monopoly?
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/03/googles-market-share-in-your-country.html
People have been so fed of this that made a site with horror stories listed on a map.
http://wptattletale.com/retail-locations
People who even walk in looking for Windows Phones are steered towards Android phones.
>The reason given was that the XBox Kinect was subsidized by game sales, but if using that defence, why not just subsidize this Kinect through the new app store Windows 8 will have?
XBox games cost $30 to $60 each. Metro Apps will cost far far below that, most in the low single digits(of which MS gets only 30%) and many free apps with ads(MS gets zero). Just look at the prices of apps in the Mac app store.
The point is that MS still got hit by a successful anti-trust lawsuit because of Netscape. If Google were held to the same standard, it might also be in the same boat.
>Secondly, you assert that MapQuest is dying off because of Google integrating maps into Google Search, but you offer no evidence
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/fairsearch-coalition-prepares-report-googles-alleged-anticompetitive-conduct
>My experiences with MapQuest and it's user interface were far inferior to my Google Maps experience.
Netscape was pretty inferior to IE4 as well.
>Finally, no one is being forced to use any particular service of Google's and no one is forcing one to use Google's other services if one uses Google Search.
Microsoft never prevented anyone from installing or using Netscape either.
Make it opt-in instead of opt-out. Please don't junk up my search results.
IIS still wins, based on the same metric that the iPhone wins over Android(or so the Apple afficionados keep claiming) because it corners the most profit in the smartphone market. IIS makes Microsoft billions every quarter, whereas Apache and nginx barely make their makers anything.
Is the first post on Slashdot these days reserved for an Apple or MS shill?
Will the users be allowed to change the theme?
They're still restricting the OEMs and carriers ability to customize the theme's look by using the Android Market stick.
That's still good if it makes the UI consistent though, compared to iOS and WP7, the Android UI is all over the place.
The UI is horrible.
It's not open source.
No one is making apps for it because it is dead in the market.
You can't develop for it on OS X or Unix.
You are forced to use Microsoft's shitty developer tools.
But, hey!, it has connectivity with Microsoft's piece of shit last place console!
LOL, fail.
1. You may dislike the UI, but a lot of people love it because of the minimalism.
2. Yes it's not Open Source.
3. Sorry on this point, it just crossed 50,000 apps and the growth is accelerating http://www.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-marketplace-hits-50000-apps
4. Yes no dev on OS X and Linux
5. Microsoft's developer tools are no where close to shitty, they're simply the best in the industry (YMMV).
6. The last point proves that you're a troll. XBox 360 is nowhere close to last place. It just had a record Thanksgiving beating all other consoles and they're flying off shelves thanks to Kinect and the new media features. Also, they're top on the biggest metric, the amount people spend money on, buying games.
* The UI tiles may be pretty, but that whole right-hand side of the screen is sitting there unused, making the whole thing look narrower, and therefore smaller
*
That is by design to create a negative space.
See http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/divine-proportions-why-the-start-page-has-a-big-blank-space-on-the-side
>Windows Mobile, the discontinued product, is still outselling [reghardware.com] WP7, and those are the just-released latest numbers.
That's the wrong way to look at the data. Those are marketshare numbers, not sales numbers.
>What is Nokia supposed to do with only a small part of a small percentage of the market? Even the entire volume of WP7 sales is probably not enough to sustain them. And Microsoft can't even let them have that, because they'll never get their market share off the floor with only one vendor who, by necessity, will itself have to continue selling and marketing non-WP7 in the interim.
Huh what? Nokia is betting on new smartphone buyers, not exactly other WP7 users(who are already in contracts).
And? So can apple.
On one hand, that is so off-topic that you and all the people modding you should be ashamed.
A SELLER of apps on the Apple store CAN NOT cause their app to be removed. At all.
Apple can. The seller CAN NOT.
Of course Microsoft can. The point here that you completely missed is that individual sellers using the store now have this ability.
As an iApp developer, I simply do NOT have any ability to do as you imply and remove an app from anyone's device but my own.
Only Apple can do that.
So you are all of wrong, off topic, mistaken, and completely missing the point.
Whoa there, slow down cowboy!
The summary does say seller can pull apps but there's no mention of that whatsoever in the article or anywhere else. I am going to assume that 'seller' here means Microsoft and not the developer(since MS is the one selling the goods).
What would you rather trust, a Slashdot summary filled with typos trying to bash MS or TFA?
Given the situation Bing is in, even a 1% search share increase for a $100 million cost is nothing. Firefox has 500 million users and maybe 20% of them won't change the default from Bing.
Sad if this happens and Firefox has to beg money from Bing. Whatever happened with the 500k/yr Mozilla CEOs who were paid so much money to diversify the revenue sources? Sad really.
The worst thing is that it took me a few seconds to realize you weren't joking.
And your FirstPost extension broke?
The marketshare bleeding seems to have accelerated with the accelerated release schedule.
Who cares about a few new features with each release when the extensions providing much needed functionality break? No to mention explicitly giving the finger to corporate usage.
Ubuntu with Unity and Firefox with this schedule seem to have their head in the sand. Just emulating OS X (in the case of Unity) and Chrome(by Firefox) doesn't make them automatically successful.
This is like a fox(pardon the pun) branding itself with a hot iron to get black stripes to look and become a tiger.