i don't do the moderation - but now that i follow your link i remember the rest of the conversation -.. i just linked to what i remember was a post i made in an attempt to figure out the amount of energy and the time till it is exhausted - as too many people keep saying that tidal and wave power will "run out" if we try to harness it.
thanks for reminding me that i had things wrong - but at the same time mind doing the math for the correct answer?
when you say "firmware" you are leading me to believe they are not IOS supported devices.. and if that is so then they are from the linksys side and not what i consider actual "cisco" hardware.
while i like/liked linksys and i like cisco - and i'm fine with the buyout.. some of their decisions have muddied the waters and made it a little more difficult to find the right solution.
first of all, wearing clothes can not be compared to body alterations (except things like feet binding that some Asians do, or the neck rings of some Africans)
second, i'm sure you would have the same feeling if the conversation was reversed - the point is not that you are circumcised or not but that you feel "superior" because you fall into one of two groups that the other sex near you like.
Third, i understand if you don't care - and i understand if you don't get it - but i would hope that outside this conversation you would agree that it is not right to preform and unnecessary body and potentially life altering operation on someone who is not able to give consent.
You might not care if a parent pierced their kids ears but you might be if i came by and pierced yours.. or gave you a tattoo while you where drunk/sleep/unable to say no.
well based on what i have read - as the moon/tidal effeects work the earth is slowing down and the moon is gaining potential energy related to earths gravity well by moving farther away - assume this is a colosed energy system..
assume we pull energy out of it.. the moon will come closer to earth (or reduce it's movement away) - so the total energy supply would be the potential energy of the moon in relation to earths gravity well.
PE = m x g x h
m = 7.3477 × 10^22 kg g = 9.8 m/s2 h = 363,104,000 m (using it's Periapsis)
"In about 5 billion more years, the useable hydrogen (not all the hydrogen) will have been converted to helium, and the Sun will start burning helium, and become a red giant."
if i remember right.. if it goes red giant it will grow larger than 1 AU so it will engulf earth..
basically.. we could increase energy consumption by a factor of 100 and only then would we be toying with maybe crashing the moon into us before the sun burns us away.
the original reason for circumcision in communities thousands of years ago was to prevent disease - and not STD's.. but rather basic infections which before antibiotics killed a lot of people.
we don't have that problem now - there is zero need for this practice.
i'd like to hear the reason why you feel this way.. i'm exactly the opposite..
i didn't have any say and i wish i did..
as for my son if he wants it done he can have it done.. but he will be the person making the decision not my wife for I (aside from the very rare chance that there is actual medical need)
It really pays to review your bills every month. Very simple to do, and then you know what it should look like.
i agree it does pay off - but only because they love to try to pull fast ones on their customers
it is only simple to do After you have learned what all the parts of the bill mean - being able to identify and understand the different rate codes and calling codes and billing codes - which are not explained on the bill (yes there is a legend.. normally it is a 1-2 letter code that is then translated to an acronym which the average person doesn't know.)
yes once you have it cleaned up you can basically do an diff to see that you are in the right ball park.. but even that they try to swam you will enough data that the average person will not notice a single line item change.. or that it is too much effort.
all this falls back on them making a lot of money by making it hard for customers to understand what is going on.
you must not get detailed call logs - i get one line item per call both in and out..
make note that this problem does not apply to just "land lines" it applies to all phones.. they can do direct bills to a cell phone just as easy. (and yes my land line gets detailed call history in the bill.. it's amazing how many call/hangups there are during the day, and that bill is around 10 pages. (5 pages front and back)
by no means do they try to make it or format it to be easy to read for the average person.
In my case, a $12.95 monthly charge just showed up on my phone bill (land line). There are so many odd items on the bill, it's hard to notice another one.
That amount is more than I pay for my two business fixed lines. Yes that's together. So that's a pretty big sum for a phone bill to appear.
Secondly, "so many odd charges"... you go through the bill once, and tick what you don't know what it is. And make a call to the phone company for explanation. That's what I do with my credit card bill. It's not that hard, it just requires you to care about your money. If you let such sums just stand, sorry to say, but you obviously don't care enough.
sorry i don't know where you live - but around here the cheapest fixed POTS line is 31$ a month (local calling only).. and for something that is a frame based is >300$ a month for the local loop, cheapest monthly cell phone is ~35$ a month.. the bill in front of me is >80 pages long in a 5x8.5 size with ~8pt font on it.. it takes me ~2h to review that bill and i fully understand it.
flip over to your grandmother with her local loop line and long distance - maybe even dsl on that one bill it is still ~10 pages long and still in that 8pt font size (even though there is no need for it)
the telco's go out of their way to make the bills hard to understand. and in this confusion it allows them to exploit people for more money.
and it reallllllllllllly didn't help that the supreme court agreed that by agreeing to service you agree to waive your rights and settle any disputes through their own arbitration.
just wait.. next time they send a usage policy and/or terms of usage update to you - call back you will find that your "blocks" have been removed and you will need to re add them.
at least that is what AT&T does.. and considering they are buying T-Mobile i would expect the same to be happening.
and when the charge is a single line item on a ~80 page phone bill even people who do review them miss them.. At work i had to put together a cheat sheet/lesson plan so that the book keeper could review our bill for correct charges. (what to look for where)..
it's crazy that they get away with this crap - but hey the government lets them because they pay the people who are in office.
you are correct - but i bet all of them have something.. or had something at some point..
mcgrews argument was not that it is a problem now because it is patched but that it was a problem for so long before it (even though it was not exploited).
during the creation of any software project there is going to be a bug at some point.. even if it is fixed before release it had it and was patched/fixed.
i love that it works across sound devices - example playing pandora on the laptop speakers.. turn on my Bluetooth headphones (which are set to be primary audio when connected) and it is a seamless switch.. the on-board speaker goes dead and music in the head phones.. turn them off and easy auto switch back.
moving the live audio to other devices is a very nice feature for me..
exactly i pay ~$.065/kWh with a time of use meeter..
to Belial6: also the argument that an Atom will outpace a P4 is flawed - it depends on what your doing.. and depends on the Atom you choose - dual core yes.. single core not so much.
i don't know where you live but around here 15$ a month will get you "broadcast" cable which is exactly what it sounds like.. they give you only what you would get over the air using an antenna (yea i don't know why people would use that)
the next cheapest "package" is basic cable and is 45$ a month.. BUT that doesn't include any of their HD or digital channels- and due to limited bandwidth they are weekly moving channels from their "basic cable package" and turning them digital.. which means they are now on the "basic digital cable package" - no worries you can upgrade for 10$ a month - your now at 55$ a month for "basic cable" - but wait there's more.. the decided they needed to turn on encryption for ALL digital channels (except the normal broadcast channels).. so if you want their "digital" package you need either cable box "another 10$ a month rental - 20$ a month fro HD" or a cable card "rent for 20$ a month or use your own and pay a 10$ a month service charge"
All in all to get the same channels on the "basic cable package" that where offered when the FCC did the analog to digital cut the min cost from the cable provider here went from 45$ a month to 65$ a month..
tack on the cheapest Cable net service at 55$ a month.. and our bill was going to be 120$ a month BEFORE taxes and usage/surcharge fees.. i told them to screw off.. got 15$ a month dsl and 10$ a month netflix.. and built a 2$ bow-tie antenna..
not sure what i'll do about this netflix change.. will have to talk with the wife.. i knew we will keep streaming.. don't know about DVD's. i don't get the DVD's she does..so we will more than likely keep it..
either way netflix has a long way to go before their price makes it close to "basic cable" around here.
to be fair on that - they do give you a months warning or more.. every time you go to the show/movie page it has a caution sign and an "available until xx/xx/xxxx" - also if you look at your queue on the site it will have it noted in the notes next to the title.
sadly they can't control when a content creator revokes a licence or fails to renew it - and they try to give you every opportunity to watch it before that happens and warn you that it can/will happen.
looking at a current setup vs an older one.. if i where to cut power from 240 watts to 120 watts for a 1000$ box the pay off is ~10 years to break even.
now if this is a constant full use scientific computer the boost in performance can be factored in and make the pay off shorter - but for the average box that has winXP on it the usage is minimal - and i just don't see a 10 year pay off being reasonable.
Mercury can be recovered and removed from coal emissions via proper use of scrubbers. once removed it can then be added into the industry production/supply for other uses.
A landfills method is nothing more than containment with no long term resolution in site.
while currently yes the coal plants do put out more - if the goal is to reduce Mercury output and limit it's effect on the environment - it is a better choice to scrub it from the coal plants than to transfer it to local landfills.
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i don't do the moderation - but now that i follow your link i remember the rest of the conversation -.. i just linked to what i remember was a post i made in an attempt to figure out the amount of energy and the time till it is exhausted - as too many people keep saying that tidal and wave power will "run out" if we try to harness it.
thanks for reminding me that i had things wrong - but at the same time mind doing the math for the correct answer?
when you say "firmware" you are leading me to believe they are not IOS supported devices.. and if that is so then they are from the linksys side and not what i consider actual "cisco" hardware.
while i like/liked linksys and i like cisco - and i'm fine with the buyout.. some of their decisions have muddied the waters and made it a little more difficult to find the right solution.
i didn't think cisco made anything that cheaply priced - hell copper gbic's cost more than 260$
first of all, wearing clothes can not be compared to body alterations (except things like feet binding that some Asians do, or the neck rings of some Africans)
second, i'm sure you would have the same feeling if the conversation was reversed - the point is not that you are circumcised or not but that you feel "superior" because you fall into one of two groups that the other sex near you like.
Third, i understand if you don't care - and i understand if you don't get it - but i would hope that outside this conversation you would agree that it is not right to preform and unnecessary body and potentially life altering operation on someone who is not able to give consent.
You might not care if a parent pierced their kids ears but you might be if i came by and pierced yours.. or gave you a tattoo while you where drunk/sleep/unable to say no.
I know it's bad form to link your your self but i did the work for this last them we talkd about it.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1643562&cid=32116814
well based on what i have read - as the moon/tidal effeects work the earth is slowing down and the moon is gaining potential energy related to earths gravity well by moving farther away - assume this is a colosed energy system..
assume we pull energy out of it.. the moon will come closer to earth (or reduce it's movement away) - so the total energy supply would be the potential energy of the moon in relation to earths gravity well.
PE = m x g x h
m = 7.3477 × 10^22 kg
g = 9.8 m/s2
h = 363,104,000 m (using it's Periapsis)
PE = 2.61461968 × 10^32 Joules
474 × 10^18 = AEC = whole planet annual energy consumption
PE/AEC = 551,607,527,000 years....
so the answer is .. keep current rates.. and assume we could get it all from here.. 550 billion years..
according to this #19
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sun.html [nasa.gov]
"In about 5 billion more years, the useable hydrogen (not all the hydrogen) will have been converted to helium, and the Sun will start burning helium, and become a red giant."
if i remember right.. if it goes red giant it will grow larger than 1 AU so it will engulf earth..
basically.. we could increase energy consumption by a factor of 100 and only then would we be toying with maybe crashing the moon into us before the sun burns us away.
i too am in the US.. and AT&T has always sent me detailed call logs.
the original reason for circumcision in communities thousands of years ago was to prevent disease - and not STD's.. but rather basic infections which before antibiotics killed a lot of people.
we don't have that problem now - there is zero need for this practice.
i'd like to hear the reason why you feel this way.. i'm exactly the opposite..
i didn't have any say and i wish i did..
as for my son if he wants it done he can have it done.. but he will be the person making the decision not my wife for I (aside from the very rare chance that there is actual medical need)
It really pays to review your bills every month. Very simple to do, and then you know what it should look like.
i agree it does pay off - but only because they love to try to pull fast ones on their customers
it is only simple to do After you have learned what all the parts of the bill mean - being able to identify and understand the different rate codes and calling codes and billing codes - which are not explained on the bill (yes there is a legend.. normally it is a 1-2 letter code that is then translated to an acronym which the average person doesn't know.)
yes once you have it cleaned up you can basically do an diff to see that you are in the right ball park.. but even that they try to swam you will enough data that the average person will not notice a single line item change.. or that it is too much effort.
all this falls back on them making a lot of money by making it hard for customers to understand what is going on.
to be fair you said $12 not £12 which is (currently) ~$19.38
still that is damn cheap compared to lines here in the US.
you must not get detailed call logs - i get one line item per call both in and out..
make note that this problem does not apply to just "land lines" it applies to all phones .. they can do direct bills to a cell phone just as easy. (and yes my land line gets detailed call history in the bill.. it's amazing how many call/hangups there are during the day, and that bill is around 10 pages. (5 pages front and back)
by no means do they try to make it or format it to be easy to read for the average person.
In my case, a $12.95 monthly charge just showed up on my phone bill (land line). There are so many odd items on the bill, it's hard to notice another one.
That amount is more than I pay for my two business fixed lines. Yes that's together. So that's a pretty big sum for a phone bill to appear.
Secondly, "so many odd charges"... you go through the bill once, and tick what you don't know what it is. And make a call to the phone company for explanation. That's what I do with my credit card bill. It's not that hard, it just requires you to care about your money. If you let such sums just stand, sorry to say, but you obviously don't care enough.
sorry i don't know where you live - but around here the cheapest fixed POTS line is 31$ a month (local calling only).. and for something that is a frame based is >300$ a month for the local loop, cheapest monthly cell phone is ~35$ a month.. the bill in front of me is >80 pages long in a 5x8.5 size with ~8pt font on it.. it takes me ~2h to review that bill and i fully understand it.
flip over to your grandmother with her local loop line and long distance - maybe even dsl on that one bill it is still ~10 pages long and still in that 8pt font size (even though there is no need for it)
the telco's go out of their way to make the bills hard to understand. and in this confusion it allows them to exploit people for more money.
and it reallllllllllllly didn't help that the supreme court agreed that by agreeing to service you agree to waive your rights and settle any disputes through their own arbitration.
just wait.. next time they send a usage policy and/or terms of usage update to you - call back you will find that your "blocks" have been removed and you will need to re add them.
at least that is what AT&T does.. and considering they are buying T-Mobile i would expect the same to be happening.
when you have to have training to properly read your bill - there is a problem, and it isn't always the users in this case.
phone companies go out of their way to make the bill hard to read and understand, and to make bogus things look legit (at least in my experience)
and when the charge is a single line item on a ~80 page phone bill even people who do review them miss them.. At work i had to put together a cheat sheet/lesson plan so that the book keeper could review our bill for correct charges. (what to look for where)..
it's crazy that they get away with this crap - but hey the government lets them because they pay the people who are in office.
its not a bribe - its business as usual.
you are correct - but i bet all of them have something.. or had something at some point..
mcgrews argument was not that it is a problem now because it is patched but that it was a problem for so long before it (even though it was not exploited).
during the creation of any software project there is going to be a bug at some point.. even if it is fixed before release it had it and was patched/fixed.
nothing is flawless
yea - but i rather view errors and patchs and see that they are learning from their mistakes..
Adobe doesn't and it shows
MS learns and does well and has been doing a lot better this last decade.
but of all the bugs there are and have been my favorite for irony is
http://digitaloffense.net/tools/debian-openssl/
and please do sir tell us WHAT OS has ZERO unpatched vulnerabilities in it's history?
i love that it works across sound devices - example playing pandora on the laptop speakers.. turn on my Bluetooth headphones (which are set to be primary audio when connected) and it is a seamless switch.. the on-board speaker goes dead and music in the head phones.. turn them off and easy auto switch back.
moving the live audio to other devices is a very nice feature for me..
exactly i pay ~$.065/kWh with a time of use meeter..
to Belial6:
also the argument that an Atom will outpace a P4 is flawed - it depends on what your doing.. and depends on the Atom you choose - dual core yes.. single core not so much.
i don't know where you live but around here 15$ a month will get you "broadcast" cable which is exactly what it sounds like.. they give you only what you would get over the air using an antenna (yea i don't know why people would use that)
the next cheapest "package" is basic cable and is 45$ a month.. BUT that doesn't include any of their HD or digital channels- and due to limited bandwidth they are weekly moving channels from their "basic cable package" and turning them digital .. which means they are now on the "basic digital cable package" - no worries you can upgrade for 10$ a month - your now at 55$ a month for "basic cable" - but wait there's more.. the decided they needed to turn on encryption for ALL digital channels (except the normal broadcast channels).. so if you want their "digital" package you need either cable box "another 10$ a month rental - 20$ a month fro HD" or a cable card "rent for 20$ a month or use your own and pay a 10$ a month service charge"
All in all to get the same channels on the "basic cable package" that where offered when the FCC did the analog to digital cut the min cost from the cable provider here went from 45$ a month to 65$ a month..
tack on the cheapest Cable net service at 55$ a month.. and our bill was going to be 120$ a month BEFORE taxes and usage/surcharge fees.. i told them to screw off.. got 15$ a month dsl and 10$ a month netflix.. and built a 2$ bow-tie antenna..
not sure what i'll do about this netflix change.. will have to talk with the wife.. i knew we will keep streaming.. don't know about DVD's. i don't get the DVD's she does..so we will more than likely keep it..
either way netflix has a long way to go before their price makes it close to "basic cable" around here.
to be fair on that - they do give you a months warning or more.. every time you go to the show/movie page it has a caution sign and an "available until xx/xx/xxxx" - also if you look at your queue on the site it will have it noted in the notes next to the title.
sadly they can't control when a content creator revokes a licence or fails to renew it - and they try to give you every opportunity to watch it before that happens and warn you that it can/will happen.
and what other vendor would this be? sorry but i just haven't seen/found a legitimate competitor.
i'd love to see your math justifying that.
looking at a current setup vs an older one.. if i where to cut power from 240 watts to 120 watts for a 1000$ box the pay off is ~10 years to break even.
now if this is a constant full use scientific computer the boost in performance can be factored in and make the pay off shorter - but for the average box that has winXP on it the usage is minimal - and i just don't see a 10 year pay off being reasonable.
Mercury can be recovered and removed from coal emissions via proper use of scrubbers. once removed it can then be added into the industry production/supply for other uses.
A landfills method is nothing more than containment with no long term resolution in site.
while currently yes the coal plants do put out more - if the goal is to reduce Mercury output and limit it's effect on the environment - it is a better choice to scrub it from the coal plants than to transfer it to local landfills.