Yes, it's so terrible over here in England where 35 pounds/month gets unlimited 160 Mbps download service from Virgin Media, who did exactly what Google intends.
Bullshit. I'd sooner believe in Spaghetti Monster than government utilities showing ANY altruism. The utilities in California make some crazy profit, giving hundreds of millions back to cities, and still make enough money to satisfy their "shareholders".
Yes, well... These are my ISP bills/performance (just measured) right now in two different countries:
Cox business-class cable in San Diego: $84 per month
Paying for 80 Mbps download 20 Mbps upload
Getting 33.39 Mbps download 5.15 Mbps upload
Virgin Media home fiber in Cambridgeshire UK: $59.50 per month (35 pounds)
Paying for 152 Mbps download 10 Mbps upload
Getting 161.66 Mbps download 12.17 Mbps upload
Cox cable is a pile of crap, but we have government mandated monopolies. I'm ready for Google fiber to hit San Diego. If they could manage Reno and Portland, that would be much appreciated too!
Yes, while your point may be plausible, you are directly willing to sacrifice 650,000 jobs for citizens to accomplish your "goal". I'm not so willing and I'm damn sure going to work on making my politicians feel the same way.
somehow during the worst economic crash of the USA ever we needed 650,000 foreign workers to fill the highest paying hi-tech job positions.
As a display against the argument previously stated that there is no difference if the job is given to a citizen or an "immigrant", a phrase you conveniently used to describe H1-B Visa labor.
Just like your example of William Schockley doesn't pass the same smell test since he immigrated to America after marrying an American; he did not come over to fill a labor billet. But we're not talking about the head of research teams that help saved WWII. We're talking about corporate wages being suppressed for the American IT community, and unless you have some evidence that every H1-B applicant performs on the level of William Schockley, I'm still calling bullshit on your "immigrant" thesis.
The benefit derived from importing top talent should be independent of the current state of the economy. If the point of the program is to encourage new technology to be developed in the USA rather than somewhere else, then how is it a good idea to discourage domestic technology development during an economic downturn?
When you produce 650,000 winners of the Medal of Merit, I'll listen. Till then, you simply want wage suppression in my opinion.
Yes, because the average person in 2009 America makes $40,711.61 [http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html] and somehow during the worst economic crash of the USA ever we needed 650,000 foreign workers to fill the highest paying hi-tech job positions. Still calling bullshit.
Sure, when you let the AFL-CIO force-ably unionize H-1B workers, then your argument may begin to have merit. Luckily some politicians still have to win elections from live voters.
Glad someone reads. Beyond the confirmation bias, the idea that real unemployment doesn't matter displays the sheer lack of any responsibility on the part of the government. This is exactly why we should be curtailing H1-B programs.
I blame those who give the orders and those who carry out the orders. And I especially despise the wimps in our Chair Force for risking nothing more than a fender bender in doing their evil deeds.
I guess picking isn't polite, but that's a pretty chickenshit comment there. So, if the Air Force arrived and broke heads like the Army you'd be fine with the "war"?
...and so you are insinuating that simply because Hillary (supposedly) fucked Bill Clinton all these positives you impose will replicate themselves. Now, what is the definition of insanity?
I'm somewhat fascinated that you think I give a crap about Republicans. You find it easier to ignore the sacrifice of our nation's ambassador in order to impute some irrational assignment of guilt. You might as well blame Clinton for being the pussy he was and not killing Bin Laden when he had a chance.
I'm from the WWII mentality. Iraq should have been a slaughterhouse for the Ba'ath Party. Less scandals, more removal of armed enemies.
Maybe you should just do your work instead of trying to co-exist with younger people raising hell. If these activities you mentioned are part of the company requirements then the company isn't focused on success; just spending their investors' money.
No, the thing to do is establish colonies on the Moon and Mars, perform fission experimentation in space vice the Earth's atmosphere, and mine some asteroids.
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Yes, it's so terrible over here in England where 35 pounds/month gets unlimited 160 Mbps download service from Virgin Media, who did exactly what Google intends.
Bullshit. I'd sooner believe in Spaghetti Monster than government utilities showing ANY altruism. The utilities in California make some crazy profit, giving hundreds of millions back to cities, and still make enough money to satisfy their "shareholders".
Yes, well... These are my ISP bills/performance (just measured) right now in two different countries:
Cox business-class cable in San Diego: $84 per month
Paying for 80 Mbps download 20 Mbps upload
Getting 33.39 Mbps download 5.15 Mbps upload
Virgin Media home fiber in Cambridgeshire UK: $59.50 per month (35 pounds)
Paying for 152 Mbps download 10 Mbps upload
Getting 161.66 Mbps download 12.17 Mbps upload
Cox cable is a pile of crap, but we have government mandated monopolies. I'm ready for Google fiber to hit San Diego. If they could manage Reno and Portland, that would be much appreciated too!
Yes, while your point may be plausible, you are directly willing to sacrifice 650,000 jobs for citizens to accomplish your "goal". I'm not so willing and I'm damn sure going to work on making my politicians feel the same way.
How is the average wage relevant? Please explain.
somehow during the worst economic crash of the USA ever we needed 650,000 foreign workers to fill the highest paying hi-tech job positions.
As a display against the argument previously stated that there is no difference if the job is given to a citizen or an "immigrant", a phrase you conveniently used to describe H1-B Visa labor.
Just like your example of William Schockley doesn't pass the same smell test since he immigrated to America after marrying an American; he did not come over to fill a labor billet. But we're not talking about the head of research teams that help saved WWII. We're talking about corporate wages being suppressed for the American IT community, and unless you have some evidence that every H1-B applicant performs on the level of William Schockley, I'm still calling bullshit on your "immigrant" thesis.
The benefit derived from importing top talent should be independent of the current state of the economy. If the point of the program is to encourage new technology to be developed in the USA rather than somewhere else, then how is it a good idea to discourage domestic technology development during an economic downturn?
When you produce 650,000 winners of the Medal of Merit, I'll listen. Till then, you simply want wage suppression in my opinion.
Yes, because the average person in 2009 America makes $40,711.61 [http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html] and somehow during the worst economic crash of the USA ever we needed 650,000 foreign workers to fill the highest paying hi-tech job positions. Still calling bullshit.
Where were you when their fathers established and fought for the country? *crickets* It's not about color Mr. poorly played white guilt.
Have you been to Britain lately? The British people are fighting back.
Again, not America's problem.
A good estimate I saw for H1-B Visas:
Number of H-1B workers in U.S. on Sept. 30, ‘09 651,500
Estimating the Size of the H-1B Population in the U.S.
That's 2009. I wonder how scaled this fits into your thesis. Do we really have 651,000 jobs that cannot be filled by Americans as of 2009?
Yep, HR is such an overworked effort. /sarcasm
Sure, when you let the AFL-CIO force-ably unionize H-1B workers, then your argument may begin to have merit. Luckily some politicians still have to win elections from live voters.
Bravo mate! No mod points, sorry.
AC fiction. blah blah blah
The insanity of your position is just sheer stupidity. Hey, Asians are Americans, too. Dumbass.
Glad someone reads. Beyond the confirmation bias, the idea that real unemployment doesn't matter displays the sheer lack of any responsibility on the part of the government. This is exactly why we should be curtailing H1-B programs.
After Five Years Of Obamanomics, A Record 100 Million Americans Not Working
First you need political will. Sadly, that exists nowhere on this Earth.
I blame those who give the orders and those who carry out the orders. And I especially despise the wimps in our Chair Force for risking nothing more than a fender bender in doing their evil deeds.
I guess picking isn't polite, but that's a pretty chickenshit comment there. So, if the Air Force arrived and broke heads like the Army you'd be fine with the "war"?
...and so you are insinuating that simply because Hillary (supposedly) fucked Bill Clinton all these positives you impose will replicate themselves. Now, what is the definition of insanity?
Yes, because David Kirkpatrick says it is so. There's a unbias source. /sarcasm
I'm somewhat fascinated that you think I give a crap about Republicans. You find it easier to ignore the sacrifice of our nation's ambassador in order to impute some irrational assignment of guilt. You might as well blame Clinton for being the pussy he was and not killing Bin Laden when he had a chance.
I'm from the WWII mentality. Iraq should have been a slaughterhouse for the Ba'ath Party. Less scandals, more removal of armed enemies.
Certainly Burning Man attendance wouldn't be a logical employee requirement. More like a law suit waiting to happen.
Yeah, George Bush was SIX YEARS AGO. Now we have Presidents that let ambassadors get killed and blame it on amateur film makers.
Maybe you should just do your work instead of trying to co-exist with younger people raising hell. If these activities you mentioned are part of the company requirements then the company isn't focused on success; just spending their investors' money.
No, the thing to do is establish colonies on the Moon and Mars, perform fission experimentation in space vice the Earth's atmosphere, and mine some asteroids.
Because you're a moron.