Well shit, I expect you to get the noose and storm his house any day now. But obviously people like Eich aren't like other people. Maybe we could codify him being 3/5th or something like that.
Because your political speech is obviously more important than his political speech. Pretty sad when a large portion of the gay journalist community calls you full of shit, mate. Maybe if you have Obama say it people will believe it for you.
As long as I wasn't crippled life would be great! I've suffered massive emotional wreckage through war, family deaths, financial failure and success, and even educational trials. Let me research communications sequencing over 100 years; I'll be just fine. Particularly when I know the damn biological pistol isn't pointed at my head.
The sad thing continues to be postings how staying safe, playing video games, and watching football games continues to be more "fulfilling" than the real adventure you describe./sigh
There are MANY communities within the U.S. Military that live this type of life for extended periods of time. Heck crews in Alaska and Norway do spend more than six months inside in the remote areas.
by AK Marc (707885) Alter Relationship on Thursday March 27, 2014 @03:40PM (#46597571)
The issue is simple to some people. Do you believe in human rights, or are you a bigot? That is something some people can't handle. Just because you can doesn't mean they are wrong. It just means you have no empathy.
Well glad you finally admitted your bigotry. I think the only reason I continued this discourse is that I find it amazing the poor reasoning you attributed to removing someone's liberty. That you value the IRS stress levels over the Constitutional rights of American citizens indicates that the other comments you've ascribed to some sense of morality are bullshit.
Really, that's an interesting take. Last time I checked the state of Texas was part of the U.S. Government. I guess the 10th Amendment was talking about the other states, somewhere. Did federalism get abolished? Did Texas succession happen and the news not inform anyone?
Also, the claim of abuse at YFZ was proven false, but they took their property and split up the families anyway. You continue to have this reading problem. You should get that looked at. You seem to be unable to accept reality. Most likely you have that social disease wherein it doesn't matter if it doesn't effect you.
P.S. Say hi to Lois Lerner for me. Tell her you're trying to make sure her precious life isn't shattered by people engaging in liberty and potentially making her change a form.
Yes, Mark, I understand that reading just seems so hard to you with your tongue firmly fitted up the asses of your IRS masters.
YFZ Ranch was one of the references mentioned. The property seizure around $19.96 million. The evidence against the community was completely false and the person who falsely created the initial phone call was arrested, but the community was still assaulted, their children removed, and their property seized. Even though the entire event was overturned due to no evidence of any abuse, the property was seized and became the property of the state of Texas.
But, again, you've proven that your inability to do any research or even worry about the liberty of American citizens plays second-fiddle to warped reality where concern for the IRS changing forms trumps Constitutional rights. Your first step might be not advocating governance at the whim of civil servants.
Yes, your inability to read references equates to me being a liar. Surround yourself with that dogmatic chanting as you base your concept of government (and apparently morality) on whether an organization can write laws that evolve with society. Hope it keeps you warm at night.
Hmm, well since you specifically spoke out against polygamist and called them all immoral (and other poor stereotypes), I'd say that you are the liar in context of this thread.
Again with this morality thing? What can you possible establish as moral in your analogy? You've already accepted (by silence) that 198 murdered children by a serial killer is fine as long as it promotes the gay and possibly IRS agendas. How can you possibly establish any moral ground after that? Morality, if anything in America, should be the ability to live as you want to live. Gay marriage is from this ilk. You suggest that polygamists be denied these rights based upon how an already corrupt tax-collection agency is going to react to the issue. Boo hoo.
Let's start with your example. For what one member of that FLDS church did against the law the community property worth $34.5 million was stripped from the church. That means all of the members, even the victims, were fined for the actions of a few; and the government, much like in the case of the War on Drugs, does not give back confiscated property. If your nephew gets caught smoking a joint on your property and the wrong judge hears the case -- so much for your property.
Moving on to the most famous case fitting the scope you asked. Short Creek, Arizona was the largest mass arrest of polygamists in modern times. The Short Creek raid took place on July 26, 1953. Over 100 reporters were invited to the raid. Arizona Governor John Howard Pyle initially called the raid "a momentous police action against insurrection" and described the Mormon fundamentalists as participating in "the foulest conspiracy you could possibly imagine" that was designed to produce "white slaves. He accused the compund of rape and bigamy and other issues, like most raids of this type do to sway public opinion. The reporters had a different take.
In the words of a reporter from the Arizona Republic (1953-07-28):
By what stretch of the imagination could the actions of the Short Creek children be classified as insurrection? Were those teenagers playing volleyball in a school yard inspiring a rebellion? Insurrection? Well, if so, an insurrection with diapers and volleyballs
In Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought a reporter suggested that the raid's "only American parallel is the federal actions against Native Americans in the nineteenth century.
Time Magazine covered the event and was amazed that the government even cared what a small unincorporated community with no economic standing could plausibly be acting in insurrection to the state.
Much like the Short Creek incident, your example displayed how the government used the actions of a small minority to destroy the lifestyles of hundreds of families, including confiscating their property and denying them parental rights by association. The article, Polygamous crackdown echoes 1953 Short Creek arrests shows how the setup is used to destroy marriage rights from communities, denying them fundamental liberties.
Maybe we should decide on how to fulfill fundamental liberties instead of whether the IRS has a problem with tax forms. But, of course, you've already stated that your form of morality allows anything that keeps your jack-booted thug masters in power.
First Amendment of the United States of America Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
-- in reference to the retarded religious accusation, you may want to print the First Amendment out and keep it in your wallet.
So since the Democratic party started the KKK, advocated murder for political power in America, and exists today you think that all registered Democrats should be rendered jobless?
It's almost not worth arguing. The gay marriage advocates are more than willing to discriminate against others in order to gain their comfort level of acceptance.
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Well shit, I expect you to get the noose and storm his house any day now. But obviously people like Eich aren't like other people. Maybe we could codify him being 3/5th or something like that.
Fact: But he's not. OkCupid seems to have double standards in their politics, too. No whining from the peanut gallery.
Because your political speech is obviously more important than his political speech. Pretty sad when a large portion of the gay journalist community calls you full of shit, mate. Maybe if you have Obama say it people will believe it for you.
As long as I wasn't crippled life would be great! I've suffered massive emotional wreckage through war, family deaths, financial failure and success, and even educational trials. Let me research communications sequencing over 100 years; I'll be just fine. Particularly when I know the damn biological pistol isn't pointed at my head.
I'll take that if it gets us off this rock in significant (read colony-size) numbers.
Someone mentioned that AppleTV removed HuluPlus from their latest release. Talk about suicide, especially with all of the competition supporting Hulu.
So the only place to view Sintel is piratebay now. There's some Sony genius.
Just give all the guys a copy of GTA CIX. You know where they'll be.
So, something capable of FTL couldn't possibly hide from us and our barely evolved manipulation of the various spectrum technologies?
Oh noes... common sense.
The sad thing continues to be postings how staying safe, playing video games, and watching football games continues to be more "fulfilling" than the real adventure you describe. /sigh
There are MANY communities within the U.S. Military that live this type of life for extended periods of time. Heck crews in Alaska and Norway do spend more than six months inside in the remote areas.
by AK Marc (707885) Alter Relationship on Thursday March 27, 2014 @03:40PM (#46597571) The issue is simple to some people. Do you believe in human rights, or are you a bigot? That is something some people can't handle. Just because you can doesn't mean they are wrong. It just means you have no empathy.
Well glad you finally admitted your bigotry. I think the only reason I continued this discourse is that I find it amazing the poor reasoning you attributed to removing someone's liberty. That you value the IRS stress levels over the Constitutional rights of American citizens indicates that the other comments you've ascribed to some sense of morality are bullshit.
Really, that's an interesting take. Last time I checked the state of Texas was part of the U.S. Government. I guess the 10th Amendment was talking about the other states, somewhere. Did federalism get abolished? Did Texas succession happen and the news not inform anyone?
Also, the claim of abuse at YFZ was proven false, but they took their property and split up the families anyway. You continue to have this reading problem. You should get that looked at. You seem to be unable to accept reality. Most likely you have that social disease wherein it doesn't matter if it doesn't effect you.
P.S. Say hi to Lois Lerner for me. Tell her you're trying to make sure her precious life isn't shattered by people engaging in liberty and potentially making her change a form.
Yes, Mark, I understand that reading just seems so hard to you with your tongue firmly fitted up the asses of your IRS masters.
YFZ Ranch was one of the references mentioned. The property seizure around $19.96 million. The evidence against the community was completely false and the person who falsely created the initial phone call was arrested, but the community was still assaulted, their children removed, and their property seized. Even though the entire event was overturned due to no evidence of any abuse, the property was seized and became the property of the state of Texas.
But, again, you've proven that your inability to do any research or even worry about the liberty of American citizens plays second-fiddle to warped reality where concern for the IRS changing forms trumps Constitutional rights. Your first step might be not advocating governance at the whim of civil servants.
Yes, your inability to read references equates to me being a liar. Surround yourself with that dogmatic chanting as you base your concept of government (and apparently morality) on whether an organization can write laws that evolve with society. Hope it keeps you warm at night.
Hmm, well since you specifically spoke out against polygamist and called them all immoral (and other poor stereotypes), I'd say that you are the liar in context of this thread.
Again with this morality thing? What can you possible establish as moral in your analogy? You've already accepted (by silence) that 198 murdered children by a serial killer is fine as long as it promotes the gay and possibly IRS agendas. How can you possibly establish any moral ground after that? Morality, if anything in America, should be the ability to live as you want to live. Gay marriage is from this ilk. You suggest that polygamists be denied these rights based upon how an already corrupt tax-collection agency is going to react to the issue. Boo hoo.
Let's start with your example. For what one member of that FLDS church did against the law the community property worth $34.5 million was stripped from the church. That means all of the members, even the victims, were fined for the actions of a few; and the government, much like in the case of the War on Drugs, does not give back confiscated property. If your nephew gets caught smoking a joint on your property and the wrong judge hears the case -- so much for your property.
Moving on to the most famous case fitting the scope you asked. Short Creek, Arizona was the largest mass arrest of polygamists in modern times. The Short Creek raid took place on July 26, 1953. Over 100 reporters were invited to the raid. Arizona Governor John Howard Pyle initially called the raid "a momentous police action against insurrection" and described the Mormon fundamentalists as participating in "the foulest conspiracy you could possibly imagine" that was designed to produce "white slaves. He accused the compund of rape and bigamy and other issues, like most raids of this type do to sway public opinion. The reporters had a different take.
In the words of a reporter from the Arizona Republic (1953-07-28):
By what stretch of the imagination could the actions of the Short Creek children be classified as insurrection? Were those teenagers playing volleyball in a school yard inspiring a rebellion? Insurrection? Well, if so, an insurrection with diapers and volleyballs
In Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought a reporter suggested that the raid's "only American parallel is the federal actions against Native Americans in the nineteenth century.
Time Magazine covered the event and was amazed that the government even cared what a small unincorporated community with no economic standing could plausibly be acting in insurrection to the state.
Much like the Short Creek incident, your example displayed how the government used the actions of a small minority to destroy the lifestyles of hundreds of families, including confiscating their property and denying them parental rights by association. The article, Polygamous crackdown echoes 1953 Short Creek arrests shows how the setup is used to destroy marriage rights from communities, denying them fundamental liberties.
Maybe we should decide on how to fulfill fundamental liberties instead of whether the IRS has a problem with tax forms. But, of course, you've already stated that your form of morality allows anything that keeps your jack-booted thug masters in power.
No concession or apology. Just your inability to admit that some magical fairy makes it okay for two men to be married, but not three.
Oh, we're playing that game?
Obvious Jürgen Bartsch and Luis Alfredo Garavito Cubillos meet your stellar standards for homosexual heroes?
Oh, so churches are not made of people, either? What else can you rationalize? Also, there's plenty of modern cases. Google is your friend.
First Amendment of the United States of America Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
-- in reference to the retarded religious accusation, you may want to print the First Amendment out and keep it in your wallet.
I'm sure we'll see the LGBT support for Brown v. Buhman any day now. * crickets *
So since the Democratic party started the KKK, advocated murder for political power in America, and exists today you think that all registered Democrats should be rendered jobless?
It's almost not worth arguing. The gay marriage advocates are more than willing to discriminate against others in order to gain their comfort level of acceptance.