Every grant and aid program package my kids wanted to fill out would disagree with you. Certainly none of them ever asked me if I went without food as a child, or watched other kids get holiday toys while I wondered if we would have a home in the middle of a blizzard. Now all they do is look at my income. Certainly not my assets. Assest would open up having the true 1% paying into the system.
While I may agree with your assertions, I believe the 50 years ago comment relative to the discussion. 50 years ago speech recognition was a fantasy on the level Siri performs.
I couldn't agree more. We've watched incidents where extended family in Mexico came over to southern California for illegal construction jobs, were injured on the job (particularly roofing) and then are simply dumped at the border and told to disappear. But, that shouldn't stop activists from demanding more people be allowed to work outside of law and regulations.
Her business also helps the women navigate the logistics of obtaining American birth certificates, passports, and Social Security numbers for their babies before they fly home to China.
She said that she hopes her newborn daughter, Emily, will return to the United States to attend high school and college. When Emily is 21, she could apply for her parents to become legal residents in America.
Yes, entire construction industries wiped out in California because they were forced to compete with illegal workers being used for roofing and other dangerous jobs without permits, insurance, or even paying taxes. When the police and the attorney general refused to do anything legitimate businesses dissolved.
Our family hosted some summer teenagers performing missions to Tijuana about seven years back and this one young lady from a Michigan dairy farm couldn't understand why anyone had a problem with any immigrants coming to American illegally to better themselves. Five years later, I spoke with her father about their business and he had to fire American workers and hire illegals in order for him to "compete" because illegals would work for food, shelter, and $10 a day. This is 2012, mind you.
Having known a wide variety of Americans, I know of none that would work in the fields, a phenomenon that has also been seen in the news many times.
Funny how you seem to think that no one in your workforce ever pulled themselves up from the lower socio-economic levels. Perhaps you should talk to others about their past. I was picking strawberries, tobacco, wheat, and vegetables from age 5 onward. Admittedly, today, I do not generally work around people currently picking crops in my workplace.
At the moment I'm unable to quote those figures, but let's say it's the 10% you're indicating. The hundreds of millions of dollars that the state and alumni have spent on the CSU infrastructure (California) are not being spent to educate some amount of the citizens of California, or America, and instead are being used to create competition for our citizens. On top of that, illegal aliens are counted as state citizens for purposes of tuition. No matter how minor you conceive the issue, the mandate of the CSU is to teach Californians whose families paid for the taxes to create and sustain those schools.
No, my kids received free tuition at the state universities for different reasons. Though I'm sure it gives you some solace to rationalize spending state assets on non-citizens. As for indignities, maybe you should try supporting your own nation/state and stop assuming things you can't possibly validate.
Yes, when I need to manage projects with various physics professions as the core theme, I do not hire people from other industries. Maybe that wasn't apparent enough for you to grasp.
Again, as noted multiple times so far, your comments denote your paradigm. The rest of the world is dealing with HR Nazis that list college degree as the minimum entry requirement for filing clerks.
Taking California for an example, the system has been wide open to foreign students capable of paying the extravagant fees but kids from the state have more limited options to enter the programs; necessitating cradle to college programs as their sole means of entry outside of community college programs. As a tax-paying parent, my observation displays a money-hungry group concentrated on taking my tax money and categorically denying access to the majority of California kids in favor of larger fee entrants.
For example, I just set up a NOC that administrates 14,000 devices across Europe. The four main technicians in the role are working toward their various CCIE tracks. You would have to show me a ton of evidence to prove someone sitting in a classroom could have pulled off their products. Admittedly, they're not in a physics industry. Also, when I need people to define large algorithms for other needs, I definitely look your associates up for the job. I think we can all admit that industry, research, and application can be shades of gray, too.
Funny. The leftists in academia make me laugh. Show me a college that is not for profit. It is the free flowing financial aid that inflates the cost of education.
Apologies that someone modded you down mate. A clearer truth could not have been spoken.
It is too bad that HRs are filled with lazy MBA dropouts that simple put "college degree" at the start of every position description. Added onto that all of the colleges telling people that most professional jobs hold that standard as a minimum entry standard. Most of the time, I'd rather take any kid exiting the military for an entry-level position as they normally have more instilled for any job requirement(s).
I attended UoP in a similar situation. UoP is most definitely a survival of the fittest environment. Usually one (two at best) people on a team take charge and lead the rest of the group to success/survival. The one thing UoP did, IMO, was set me up for the realities of the workplace. Very little hand-holding, independent study based upon a very regimented syllabus, very concise scopes needed for success, and lots of people without a clue how to get there. My C++ II class still gives me shivers for the amount of time I spent in conference calls walking the team through simple logic constructs the books never taught.
Having said that, most of the professors were worthless. Their responses were often a week late, their discipline standards ranged from non-existent to nuclear with very little (if any) middle ground, and they blatantly expected leaders to pull everyone else along or receive a punitive grade. As far as expertise, I was severely disappointed by the lack of tutors within the context of the online community. The one shining group was the math professors. Of course, this isn't too far from brick and mortar college experiences and anecdotal experiences I've heard from other students, even today. I had considered a MBA program at UoP till I read over the shoulder of a friend undertaking that program and found he was dealing with the same crazy people that populated my previous classes there. Luckily I found a good MSE to attend. Also, I was lucky enough to pay as I went and not incur the debt.
I agree with your conclusion concerning the lack of adult education. Not everyone exiting the military (for example) was able to take a few years completely off for school. But don't forget the easy money that increased fees dramatically in response to an avalanche of green. Someone told me bachelor class are running $1900 per at UoP right now. Unreal. Also, to add incentive, I think students that fail a class should have to pay a penalty, too.
Yes, well, my mates went in from a full car crash in November and weren't even offered aspirin from having their bodies bruised and crushed in a car accident. Hawkings is treated with hundreds of thousands of pounds in social service because of his fame, not his humanity. Normal people get crap for care.
Again, simply walk into the SSA office in Chula Vista or San Diego ANY GIVEN DAY and you will never believe these bullshit statements again. I've stood next in line to hear the SSA assistant describing how to defraud the system to get free money (not presented in English).
Quite a lot of landscapers have illegal ID's that they need to get work.
They DO pay into the system and do not get any benefits.
In fact, more illegals pay into the system and get no benefits then the other way around.
I call bullshit on this assumption. I haven't met a roofer in San Diego in the past decade that could qualify for a correct license audit. Whenever a worker gets hurt they drop them at the border as they no longer have a use for them.
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Every grant and aid program package my kids wanted to fill out would disagree with you. Certainly none of them ever asked me if I went without food as a child, or watched other kids get holiday toys while I wondered if we would have a home in the middle of a blizzard. Now all they do is look at my income. Certainly not my assets. Assest would open up having the true 1% paying into the system.
While I may agree with your assertions, I believe the 50 years ago comment relative to the discussion. 50 years ago speech recognition was a fantasy on the level Siri performs.
I couldn't agree more. We've watched incidents where extended family in Mexico came over to southern California for illegal construction jobs, were injured on the job (particularly roofing) and then are simply dumped at the border and told to disappear. But, that shouldn't stop activists from demanding more people be allowed to work outside of law and regulations.
please return to masturbating to your sean hannity poster and leave us sane people alone.
Sounds like you're the one with issues, mate.
Some wealthy people may take the longer view than you indicate:
Born in the U.S.A.: Birth tourists get instant U.S. citizenship for their newborns
Her business also helps the women navigate the logistics of obtaining American birth certificates, passports, and Social Security numbers for their babies before they fly home to China.
She said that she hopes her newborn daughter, Emily, will return to the United States to attend high school and college. When Emily is 21, she could apply for her parents to become legal residents in America.
Yes, entire construction industries wiped out in California because they were forced to compete with illegal workers being used for roofing and other dangerous jobs without permits, insurance, or even paying taxes. When the police and the attorney general refused to do anything legitimate businesses dissolved.
Here's an article emphasizing similar points:
Illegal immigrants might get stimulus jobs, experts say
Our family hosted some summer teenagers performing missions to Tijuana about seven years back and this one young lady from a Michigan dairy farm couldn't understand why anyone had a problem with any immigrants coming to American illegally to better themselves. Five years later, I spoke with her father about their business and he had to fire American workers and hire illegals in order for him to "compete" because illegals would work for food, shelter, and $10 a day. This is 2012, mind you.
Having known a wide variety of Americans, I know of none that would work in the fields, a phenomenon that has also been seen in the news many times.
Funny how you seem to think that no one in your workforce ever pulled themselves up from the lower socio-economic levels. Perhaps you should talk to others about their past. I was picking strawberries, tobacco, wheat, and vegetables from age 5 onward. Admittedly, today, I do not generally work around people currently picking crops in my workplace.
Considering 50 million American out of work. One wonders that American corporations can't invest in American workforces.
Data shows millions of Americans falling out of the workforce
Still No Evidence of a Labor Shortage
Maybe you should check NIST Laboratories. Plenty there mate.
At the moment I'm unable to quote those figures, but let's say it's the 10% you're indicating. The hundreds of millions of dollars that the state and alumni have spent on the CSU infrastructure (California) are not being spent to educate some amount of the citizens of California, or America, and instead are being used to create competition for our citizens. On top of that, illegal aliens are counted as state citizens for purposes of tuition. No matter how minor you conceive the issue, the mandate of the CSU is to teach Californians whose families paid for the taxes to create and sustain those schools.
Okay, exactly where is your citation for that review, mate?
No, my kids received free tuition at the state universities for different reasons. Though I'm sure it gives you some solace to rationalize spending state assets on non-citizens. As for indignities, maybe you should try supporting your own nation/state and stop assuming things you can't possibly validate.
Yes, when I need to manage projects with various physics professions as the core theme, I do not hire people from other industries. Maybe that wasn't apparent enough for you to grasp.
Great. Let me see their financials because just saying something doesn't make it so.
Again, as noted multiple times so far, your comments denote your paradigm. The rest of the world is dealing with HR Nazis that list college degree as the minimum entry requirement for filing clerks.
Taking California for an example, the system has been wide open to foreign students capable of paying the extravagant fees but kids from the state have more limited options to enter the programs; necessitating cradle to college programs as their sole means of entry outside of community college programs. As a tax-paying parent, my observation displays a money-hungry group concentrated on taking my tax money and categorically denying access to the majority of California kids in favor of larger fee entrants.
Excellent post, mate.
For example, I just set up a NOC that administrates 14,000 devices across Europe. The four main technicians in the role are working toward their various CCIE tracks. You would have to show me a ton of evidence to prove someone sitting in a classroom could have pulled off their products. Admittedly, they're not in a physics industry. Also, when I need people to define large algorithms for other needs, I definitely look your associates up for the job. I think we can all admit that industry, research, and application can be shades of gray, too.
Funny. The leftists in academia make me laugh. Show me a college that is not for profit. It is the free flowing financial aid that inflates the cost of education.
Apologies that someone modded you down mate. A clearer truth could not have been spoken.
It is too bad that HRs are filled with lazy MBA dropouts that simple put "college degree" at the start of every position description. Added onto that all of the colleges telling people that most professional jobs hold that standard as a minimum entry standard. Most of the time, I'd rather take any kid exiting the military for an entry-level position as they normally have more instilled for any job requirement(s).
I attended UoP in a similar situation. UoP is most definitely a survival of the fittest environment. Usually one (two at best) people on a team take charge and lead the rest of the group to success/survival. The one thing UoP did, IMO, was set me up for the realities of the workplace. Very little hand-holding, independent study based upon a very regimented syllabus, very concise scopes needed for success, and lots of people without a clue how to get there. My C++ II class still gives me shivers for the amount of time I spent in conference calls walking the team through simple logic constructs the books never taught.
Having said that, most of the professors were worthless. Their responses were often a week late, their discipline standards ranged from non-existent to nuclear with very little (if any) middle ground, and they blatantly expected leaders to pull everyone else along or receive a punitive grade. As far as expertise, I was severely disappointed by the lack of tutors within the context of the online community. The one shining group was the math professors. Of course, this isn't too far from brick and mortar college experiences and anecdotal experiences I've heard from other students, even today. I had considered a MBA program at UoP till I read over the shoulder of a friend undertaking that program and found he was dealing with the same crazy people that populated my previous classes there. Luckily I found a good MSE to attend. Also, I was lucky enough to pay as I went and not incur the debt.
I agree with your conclusion concerning the lack of adult education. Not everyone exiting the military (for example) was able to take a few years completely off for school. But don't forget the easy money that increased fees dramatically in response to an avalanche of green. Someone told me bachelor class are running $1900 per at UoP right now. Unreal. Also, to add incentive, I think students that fail a class should have to pay a penalty, too.
Yes, well, my mates went in from a full car crash in November and weren't even offered aspirin from having their bodies bruised and crushed in a car accident. Hawkings is treated with hundreds of thousands of pounds in social service because of his fame, not his humanity. Normal people get crap for care.
Yes I see how all those EBT scripts are creating millions of jobs.
Again, simply walk into the SSA office in Chula Vista or San Diego ANY GIVEN DAY and you will never believe these bullshit statements again. I've stood next in line to hear the SSA assistant describing how to defraud the system to get free money (not presented in English).
Quite a lot of landscapers have illegal ID's that they need to get work.
They DO pay into the system and do not get any benefits.
In fact, more illegals pay into the system and get no benefits then the other way around.
I call bullshit on this assumption. I haven't met a roofer in San Diego in the past decade that could qualify for a correct license audit. Whenever a worker gets hurt they drop them at the border as they no longer have a use for them.