One of the developers said (nluug conference, nov 4) that they are not using e2fs on the data disk, because of [something I forgot]. They use raw disks for the data...
apart from that, people must realize there is violence in WORDS, too.
Sure there is. But there's very little you can do about that. You have all the right in the world to be offended by it, but that's where it stops. You can't make it illegal, because then you'd have to make everything illegal. Everything you or I say is sure to offend someone, somewhere.
it is your good right to tell [those jokes] - along with the jew/racist/whatever jokes you might also enjoy.
I think everything has the potential to be funny. Yes, even totally racist jokes. That does not mean I am a racist. It all depends on the circumstances.
I would not stop you. as long as i have the right to say loud and clear that i find them both disgusting and unfunny.
Sure.
if i were to stand next to you telling such jokes, i would like to lose my lunch all over you.
Lunch! Could that be labeled Assault By Projectile Vomit?
Try the old "it's just a joke" or "I didn't mean it" explanation the next time you go through airport security and talk about bombs aboard airplanes.:-)
Oh sure, but would you want that tense paranoia that's always hanging around those airport security gates to spread to Life At Large? If my day to day life would look like the security folks at the airport I'd go mad.
Yeah, computers are great at recognising patterns. That's why we all have face recognition and voice control.
No, do you know what computers are REALLY great at? Recognising stuff the wrong way, because they weren't programmed to recognise some itty bitty detail that makes all the difference in the world.
Computers are stupid things. They run down a checklist you give them, and if there's a totally obvious pattern that you haven't programmed it to recognise, there's a good chance the computer is not going to pick up on it. Or if it does, that it has no idea what to do with it.
Most people break down into neat little categories, most of the time. Say 99% of the time you're completely predictable. But then what about the 1%? 1% false data can skew your results nicely...
And this is an excellent example of where such a program can go completely wrong.
That guy just has a sick sense of humour, and makes a way over the top joke. You don't have that sense of humour, and you react like you did. (Sick! Disturbed! Garbage!) What if you were someone at some school, and you had to look out for worrying signs among the kids. What if you overheard him telling that joke. How big is the chance that you would dive into your little program and label him a dangerous nutcase?
Sure, there will be some people who have a sick sense of humour because they're really dangerous, but there's also plenty of people who have the most crazy and tasteless sense of humour, but in real life wouldn't hurt a fly.
We contribute to slashdot cause that's what we do, not because we get paid. I think we should apply this to this situation and happily thank jane for the offer, but smile and say no thanks.
I don't see why we should do that. Sure, being paid shouldn't be the primary reason for posting to slashdot. But if you're posting anyway, and someone decides s/he wants to pay you for it, why not accept it?
It's just like writing open source code. You do that because you want to, not because someone's paying you. (Or even if you DO, hey great job) But if you're writing code for an open source project and someone wants to pay you for it, why stop them? Programmers have to eat as well...
Hey, Linus himself is being paid to write linux code, should he refuse it?
Well, even if it were true that people wouldn't want to apply 21 different patches (Whoever said that sysadminning was supposed to be easy?), if you're going to run a security test you still have to apply ALL the patches available (if they make sense, that is).
Otherwise I could just go out and say that lots of people are stupid and will execute unknown binaries on their NT boxen, and you can assume that BO2000 will be installed. Hey look, insecure NT box!
I don't need to tell you that this gets silly really fast...
It's a toy language. It's nice to start with if you don't have a lot of experience. Sure, you're not going to use it for any serious hacking, but it's nice to learn the basics with.
Yeah, I learned how to code in modula 2 (similar to Pascal) and while I cursed at it at the time for being so bloody picky about everything, looking back at it it's been good, because it teaches you to code in a halfway decent manner.
Right now they're teaching Java to people with no experience whatsoever. Imagine that, you don't know jack shit about coding and you get Java thrown at you! Kinda overwhelming, no?
Those toy languages are good for introducing people to programming. Then once you're capable of writing a bit of non-trivial stuff in such a language, and you want to start doing some real coding, you start using a real language.
Plus... if it is on the web, who cares if it gets trashed because you can always retrieve it later.
Which is *the* reason to get a copy. Who knows what kind of an idiot is running that webserver... It won't be the first time that I've made the mistake of relying on some website to stay up when it didn't. Webmasters can be just as likely to trash something, or rm -rf it if they don't think it's important.
If it's something important: Make a copy. Either hard or preferably backed up softcopy, but I *will* make a copy.
And the "fighting words" doctrine would probably not be applicable -- that is reserved only for those words that are EXCLUSIVELY provocative and devoid of meaning beyond their provocative nature.
And what words would those be?
I'm not trying to be a smartass here, I'm really wondering if there is any such thing as an exclusively provocative word.
What is provocative anyway? I can be very provocative by being utterly polite, without saying any 'bad words'. So the reverse should be possible as well.
I have the feeling that 'exclusively provocative' means something like provocative by general (politically correct, if you will...) opinion. And I don't always agree with that general opinion.
Welcome to the wonderful world of adulthood and learning to live with others. Gotta draw that line somewhere, and it's drawn for a reason.
So you'd dump your girlfriend just because all of a sudden some law says you have to? Because you crossed some arbitrary line? Don't you at least agree that that is somewhat silly?
Oh, by the way, don't get me wrong: I definitely don't agree with the 13YO - 30+YO thing. No way ever. I just can't imagine you or anyone ditching your girlfriend at your 18th birthday because some law tells you to.
I have no problem with two underage teenagers going at it in the back of Dad's car... hell, I was there once myself but...
NEWSFLASH: The second you turn 18 you lose that. You can vote. You can buy cigarettes. You can drive a car without limitiations on the time. You can join the army. You cannot boff teenagers under 18. That's just the way it works.
Let me get this straight:
So you're saying that two underage people (say; 16 and 17) having sex and all is fine, but the minute the 17 year-old turns 18, you just have to STOP because some law tells you to? And then you have to wait for 2 more years 'till miss 16 turns 18, and you can get at it again with no fear of being arrested and burned at the stake for being a SEX OFFENDER?
Is that how it works??
I'm curious if that's really how you think about it...
Contrast that to any of the pop stations, where you'll hear the 'song of the week' three times in one day...
Only three times?
Wow. I've heard radio stations that play some song once every HOUR. Imagine what that'll do to people that are at work where they have the radio on all day. You're going to hear that bloody song 8 times a day!
And people wonder why I don't listen to the radio.
I'd say that respectable uni's don't require that you sign an NDA.
It sounds silly anyway: "Hi, we're an uni teaching you this stuff, but you have to sign this paper so that you're legally bound not to tell anyone else about what you've learned here." Crossed purposes, eh?
Besides, what good can NT source code do for a CS course? Example of how not to do it? NT is way too big and ugly for those poor impressionable students (yes, yes, I guess I'm one too) to be exposed to during such a course.
and their parents deserve to be held accountable for the monetary damages.
Um, not quite.
Well, they will be held accountable, because it's their kid(s). But you say the kids aren't supervised enough by their parents. I don't know this particular kid's parents, but I think I can make a pretty safe assumption that they are not computer experts. So they can supervise all they like, and the kids will do what they want anyway. And if the parent asks what the kid is doing...
"I'm playing a game."
And whether it's true or not, the parent probably won't ever know the difference. That is, until the police starts showing up. It's still their responsibility, but not really their fault.
This isn't mine. It's just something I found more than a year ago. It's about Linux. It's fun. Laugh.
[COMPUTING LAB - WEST VIRGINIA (No great loss coming up)] We see a Pimply Faced Youth working over a terminal. Suddenly he looks up at the screen, scrabbles frantically with the keyboard, then shields his face with his arms, screaming
I seem to recall that the move to LA was a demand from Duchovny, if the show were to go on at all. So if they hadn't moved to LA the X files might have been history already. Might have been just as well anyway...
I've grown sick of the X files by now (and I'm in Europe, which is at least 1 or 2 seasons behind. I can't even imagine how boring it must be by now, unless they've changed course.), because everything has been rehashed at least a dozen times, and nothing's really happening. Nothing gets solved.
I realise that that is the X files, but that way you aren't getting anywhere, the series isn't growing anymore, and 90% of it is more or less a copy of an earlier episode.
Now if they would end the series with a 'bang' (a Worthy End) and go make the occasional movie after that, they could milk more life out of it if they want to. I can imagine the actors agreeing to the occasional movie, but not to Yet Another season of the series. The movies would have to be better than the first one, though...;-)
That may be the smart thing to do for Fox, because if the actors quit, the X files is basically dead and that's that. I don't think it's possible to replace them...
your 15 cents will be distributed via a certain rating-system to all artists who had a song in the dutch hitlists in the last few months.
And how exactly is that going to help the small independent band which is burning its own demo's on CDR?
The 'artists' in the hitlists are already 'there'. They've made it, they're selling records (or at least singles) like crazy. This still isn't helping out the small independent guys, or even the big underground bands.
To me it seems like the Dutch system is actually worse than the Canadian system, because here in the Netherlands the only bands getting money are the popular one-hit-wonders which are infesting the charts and which are selling lots of singles, and not the underground bands, who often don't have any singles whatsoever.
Even if it's also based on album sales, you can go ice-skating in Hell before you see underground bands appearing in the charts.
So: The one-hit-wonder who makes a hit single that stays in the #1 spot for a while gets most of it, while the 'average artist' who's been making records for the last 10 years but doesn't sell enough of them in a short enough time to get into the charts gets screwed over by some dumb tax.
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One of the developers said (nluug conference, nov 4) that they are not using e2fs on the data disk, because of [something I forgot]. They use raw disks for the data...
"Do not use while sleeping." -- On a hair dryer.
"Do not use in shower." -- On a hair dryer.
"Warning: This product can burn eyes." -- On a curling iron.
"Do not use orally." -- On a toilet bowl cleaning brush.
"Please keep out of children." -- On a butcher knife.
"Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly." -- On a child sized Superman costume.
"May be harmful if swallowed." -- On a shipment of hammers.
Are you sure you want a warning label on anything that can be potentially dangerous?
Sure there is. But there's very little you can do about that. You have all the right in the world to be offended by it, but that's where it stops. You can't make it illegal, because then you'd have to make everything illegal. Everything you or I say is sure to offend someone, somewhere.
it is your good right to tell [those jokes] - along with the jew/racist/whatever jokes you might also enjoy.
I think everything has the potential to be funny. Yes, even totally racist jokes. That does not mean I am a racist. It all depends on the circumstances.
I would not stop you. as long as i have the right to say loud and clear that i find them both disgusting and unfunny.
Sure.
if i were to stand next to you telling such jokes, i would like to lose my lunch all over you.
Lunch! Could that be labeled Assault By Projectile Vomit?
Oh sure, but would you want that tense paranoia that's always hanging around those airport security gates to spread to Life At Large? If my day to day life would look like the security folks at the airport I'd go mad.
No, do you know what computers are REALLY great at? Recognising stuff the wrong way, because they weren't programmed to recognise some itty bitty detail that makes all the difference in the world.
Computers are stupid things. They run down a checklist you give them, and if there's a totally obvious pattern that you haven't programmed it to recognise, there's a good chance the computer is not going to pick up on it. Or if it does, that it has no idea what to do with it.
Most people break down into neat little categories, most of the time. Say 99% of the time you're completely predictable. But then what about the 1%? 1% false data can skew your results nicely...
That guy just has a sick sense of humour, and makes a way over the top joke. You don't have that sense of humour, and you react like you did. (Sick! Disturbed! Garbage!) What if you were someone at some school, and you had to look out for worrying signs among the kids. What if you overheard him telling that joke. How big is the chance that you would dive into your little program and label him a dangerous nutcase?
Sure, there will be some people who have a sick sense of humour because they're really dangerous, but there's also plenty of people who have the most crazy and tasteless sense of humour, but in real life wouldn't hurt a fly.
I don't see why we should do that. Sure, being paid shouldn't be the primary reason for posting to slashdot. But if you're posting anyway, and someone decides s/he wants to pay you for it, why not accept it?
It's just like writing open source code. You do that because you want to, not because someone's paying you. (Or even if you DO, hey great job) But if you're writing code for an open source project and someone wants to pay you for it, why stop them? Programmers have to eat as well...
Hey, Linus himself is being paid to write linux code, should he refuse it?
But I seem to recall that Jimi had a normal right-handed guitar, he just flipped the thing over.
Otherwise I could just go out and say that lots of people are stupid and will execute unknown binaries on their NT boxen, and you can assume that BO2000 will be installed. Hey look, insecure NT box!
I don't need to tell you that this gets silly really fast...
It's a toy language. It's nice to start with if you don't have a lot of experience. Sure, you're not going to use it for any serious hacking, but it's nice to learn the basics with.
Yeah, I learned how to code in modula 2 (similar to Pascal) and while I cursed at it at the time for being so bloody picky about everything, looking back at it it's been good, because it teaches you to code in a halfway decent manner.
Right now they're teaching Java to people with no experience whatsoever. Imagine that, you don't know jack shit about coding and you get Java thrown at you! Kinda overwhelming, no?
Those toy languages are good for introducing people to programming. Then once you're capable of writing a bit of non-trivial stuff in such a language, and you want to start doing some real coding, you start using a real language.
Which is *the* reason to get a copy. Who knows what kind of an idiot is running that webserver... It won't be the first time that I've made the mistake of relying on some website to stay up when it didn't. Webmasters can be just as likely to trash something, or rm -rf it if they don't think it's important.
If it's something important: Make a copy. Either hard or preferably backed up softcopy, but I *will* make a copy.
And what words would those be?
I'm not trying to be a smartass here, I'm really wondering if there is any such thing as an exclusively provocative word.
What is provocative anyway? I can be very provocative by being utterly polite, without saying any 'bad words'. So the reverse should be possible as well.
I have the feeling that 'exclusively provocative' means something like provocative by general (politically correct, if you will...) opinion. And I don't always agree with that general opinion.
So you'd dump your girlfriend just because all of a sudden some law says you have to? Because you crossed some arbitrary line? Don't you at least agree that that is somewhat silly?
Oh, by the way, don't get me wrong: I definitely don't agree with the 13YO - 30+YO thing. No way ever. I just can't imagine you or anyone ditching your girlfriend at your 18th birthday because some law tells you to.
NEWSFLASH: The second you turn 18 you lose that. You can vote. You can buy cigarettes. You can drive a car without limitiations on the time. You can join the army. You cannot boff teenagers under 18. That's just the way it works.
Let me get this straight:
So you're saying that two underage people (say; 16 and 17) having sex and all is fine, but the minute the 17 year-old turns 18, you just have to STOP because some law tells you to? And then you have to wait for 2 more years 'till miss 16 turns 18, and you can get at it again with no fear of being arrested and burned at the stake for being a SEX OFFENDER?
Is that how it works??
I'm curious if that's really how you think about it...
Only three times?
Wow. I've heard radio stations that play some song once every HOUR. Imagine what that'll do to people that are at work where they have the radio on all day. You're going to hear that bloody song 8 times a day!
And people wonder why I don't listen to the radio.
It sounds silly anyway: "Hi, we're an uni teaching you this stuff, but you have to sign this paper so that you're legally bound not to tell anyone else about what you've learned here." Crossed purposes, eh?
Besides, what good can NT source code do for a CS course? Example of how not to do it? NT is way too big and ugly for those poor impressionable students (yes, yes, I guess I'm one too) to be exposed to during such a course.
Absolutely.
and their parents deserve to be held accountable for the monetary damages.
Um, not quite.
Well, they will be held accountable, because it's their kid(s). But you say the kids aren't supervised enough by their parents. I don't know this particular kid's parents, but I think I can make a pretty safe assumption that they are not computer experts. So they can supervise all they like, and the kids will do what they want anyway. And if the parent asks what the kid is doing...
"I'm playing a game."
And whether it's true or not, the parent probably won't ever know the difference. That is, until the police starts showing up. It's still their responsibility, but not really their fault.
[COMPUTING LAB - WEST VIRGINIA (No great loss coming up)]
We see a Pimply Faced Youth working over a terminal. Suddenly he looks up at the screen, scrabbles frantically with the keyboard, then shields his face with his arms, screaming
[LATER THAT DAY]
Mulder: So what do you think?
Okay, it's also long. Go see the original
C|N>K
You bastard!
That's an image I could have done without. :-)
I seem to recall that the move to LA was a demand from Duchovny, if the show were to go on at all. So if they hadn't moved to LA the X files might have been history already. Might have been just as well anyway...
I've grown sick of the X files by now (and I'm in Europe, which is at least 1 or 2 seasons behind. I can't even imagine how boring it must be by now, unless they've changed course.), because everything has been rehashed at least a dozen times, and nothing's really happening. Nothing gets solved.
I realise that that is the X files, but that way you aren't getting anywhere, the series isn't growing anymore, and 90% of it is more or less a copy of an earlier episode.
Now if they would end the series with a 'bang' (a Worthy End) and go make the occasional movie after that, they could milk more life out of it if they want to. I can imagine the actors agreeing to the occasional movie, but not to Yet Another season of the series. The movies would have to be better than the first one, though... ;-)
That may be the smart thing to do for Fox, because if the actors quit, the X files is basically dead and that's that. I don't think it's possible to replace them...
Well, there's that stupid windows-key... :-)
(Which I don't have. Vintage IBM keyboards rule!)
And how exactly is that going to help the small independent band which is burning its own demo's on CDR?
The 'artists' in the hitlists are already 'there'. They've made it, they're selling records (or at least singles) like crazy. This still isn't helping out the small independent guys, or even the big underground bands.
To me it seems like the Dutch system is actually worse than the Canadian system, because here in the Netherlands the only bands getting money are the popular one-hit-wonders which are infesting the charts and which are selling lots of singles, and not the underground bands, who often don't have any singles whatsoever.
Even if it's also based on album sales, you can go ice-skating in Hell before you see underground bands appearing in the charts.
So: The one-hit-wonder who makes a hit single that stays in the #1 spot for a while gets most of it, while the 'average artist' who's been making records for the last 10 years but doesn't sell enough of them in a short enough time to get into the charts gets screwed over by some dumb tax.