Looks like you'll get your wish then, what I've read about the game suggests that dungeons will be much more interactive than simply: enter room-clear room-move on to next room. Puzzles and traps ahoy, and hopefully NPCs in the dungeons that can be negotiated with;)
I'll be personally a little pissed if they release a new DS system, since I just bought one. Also, isn't Mario Kart DS linked to your unique DS system? What are the consequences of playing it on another system?
Perhaps clerics will get their "detect traps" spell (I'm sure it's called something like that), an alternative to having a rogue but using up one of the cleric's spells when they could have another healing one. Stuff like that is fine by me, but yeah there's a problem of making a class *too* useful. Still, I'm hoping they make all the classes just as useful in cool ways as the rogue, so that they are well balanced and groups have different makeups.
I wasn't looking at playing another MMORPG for a long time, probably checking out Star Trek Online in a couple of years, but the work Turbine is putting into the Rogue class is making me have second thoughts. I've never been very attracted to playing a rogue in RPGs, but it looks like they're giving rogues a lot of freedom. If they do that with all the classes and make them all as seemingly interesting to play, I might give the game a go.
Fancy posting some first impressions, Zonk?
"Lol warrior noob rouges pwn you"
I laughed for hours at the guy who told me that in WoW. It was just evidence to support my theory that ~80% of WoW rogues were dickheaded 14 year olds. (possibly a higher percentage depending on your country/server).
Are you trying to be funny?
PnP - Pen and Paper
DnD - Dungeons and Dragons
Zonk is saying that the new game does a good job of recreating the Pen and Paper experience in the form of an online game.
Apologies if you made a joke and I just didn't get it though.
My original comment was of course light-hearted and comedic. I doubt even the inclusion of playable pandas would make me go back to WoW. However, nice to see someone not just flaming and making a case for their opinion. A keg of Chen's finest for you my friend:)
Indeed, the Draenei were rumoured to be the new Alliance race even before the Blood Elves were confirmed for the Horde.
Let me know when the Pandareans become a playable race, then maybe I'll reactivate my account.
In my defense, when I submitted the story I included a link direct to Joss Whedon's comment, but it seems it wasn't included when the story was posted (thanks for accepting my submission though, mighty/. Overlords!).
Linky: http://whedonesque.com/comments/9027
In case you can't be bothered with the link:
"All right, now I have to jump in and set the record straight. EW is a fine rag, but they do take things out of context. Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was "I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips." But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying "I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium" all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will.
I hope that clears everything up. Oh, and when I say I want to do a Spike movie, it means I have a bunion on my toe.
-joss (by which I mean Tim)
(no, actually me.)
If that still doesn't make any sense, Joss is basically saying that EW took what he said and claimed he meant something different. He still wants to make Firefly/Serenity stories if he can.
"Apparently you can even learn thing from games."
Thing? Singular? I think I've learned more than..five things from games! That must make me a terrorist or a communist, I sure hope Junior doesn't do too much learning from that those electronic toys!
You could have got her a DS, they play GBA games too;)
But well done, that really is a gift that keeps on giving. I just hope she doesn't read Slashdot, specifically the comments where you reveal what she's getting as a gift.
You should know that if you've seen the first season of Firefly then you've seen it all, there was never a second season. Serenity, the movie (not the pilot episode of the same name) was the first new Firefly in years. So if you've seen the whole series then you know that River didn't get made into a super chic hero. They gave her more action in the film, but I think Joss had to do that to get more interest from people who weren't fans, I assure you it doesn't swamp the film with River kicking ass - it's very tightly confined to a few minutes. Anyway, really I guess I'm just saying that if you made the investment to watch the series and enjoyed it I think it'd be a shame not to watch Serenity just because you "heard" that they'd spoiled the series. Lots of fans loved the movie, so it's not as clear cut as "Whedon sold out" or anything like that.
Whedon wrote the screenplay for the Buffy movie then watched as the studio (or someone else, not sure) tore it apart. That's why he made the tv show, he felt that it hadn't been used the way he wanted so he told his story through the series. Buffy is a bit too silly for me sometimes, I really liked the 10 or so episodes of Angel I caught.
Anyway, you should be able to pick up the Firefly box set for about the same price as the Serenity DVD, I know here in the UK the Firefly box set is being sold in one store at £17.99, Serenity will likely cost £15 or so. This would be much better value for money, plus then if you enjoy the series you can decide whether to pay for another two hours and see Serenity.
Futurama - Matt Groening has an idea for a new show that you don't really understand but hey he made you a lot of money with The Simpsons. What you *don't* want is to say "no thanks, Matt" and have him take his idea to another network where it makes them millions. Much easier to play along and give him some money to go away and work until he gets rid of all that horrible creativity stuff.
Of course, Groeaning and Cohen held out far longer than FOX liked, even with the insulting timeslots and frequent cancellation or airings. So they got 72 episodes and 4 kickass DVD sets out of it. They did the same with Whedon, he'd made two popular shows (Buffy and Angel, though to a lesser extent) and they'd want his new idea so no one else could run with it. Sad thing is that while they seemed to be happy enough for Matt Groening to do what he wanted they took great offense to the fact that Whedon's show was witty, intellectual and thought-provoking, not the sorts of things FOX's programming is generally famous for. Of course the execs didn't understand the show, all three of them are stupid robots, remember?;-)
This is straight from Joss himself on Whedonesque:
All right, now I have to jump in and set the record straight. EW is a fine rag, but they do take things out of context. Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was "I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips." But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying "I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium" all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will.
I hope that clears everything up. Oh, and when I say I want to do a Spike movie, it means I have a bunion on my toe.
-joss (by which I mean Tim)
(no, actually me.)
joss | December 21, 02:12 CET
You see? EW can stop stirring up contraversy and just bugger off for all I care.
Amazon.com eh?;-)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593074492/qid=11 35121589/sr=8-4/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-4543861-8072831?n =507846&s=books&v=glance
All three Serenity comics in a trade paperback. Released Jan 25th 2006. I haven't read the comics myself but I've heard they're very in-keeping with the feel of the show so I'll certainly be picking up this collection when it's available. Since Joss is definately writing more I'm hoping the comics become a regular thing, a couple of story arcs a year perhaps. The guy certainly has enough ideas for future storylines.
My fandom has nothing to do with it. You're saying that Serenity had as much marketing for it as Flightplan (launched around the same time in the USA)? Certainly not here in the UK where I saw a Serenity poster once and Flightplan ads all over town, and I've heard from fans in the US that Universal made no attempt to market the movie to people outside the very core market, the very people who could probably be expected to check out the movie anyway based on it being sci-fi/Joss Whedon etc.
I don't download TV shows at all (I'm actually a law-abiding/.er), in fact I actually don't watch TV anymore since if anything is worth watching I hear about it and check it out on DVD, that's what happened with Firefly.
Universal believed that if they marketed the film to the fans then the fans would market it themselves, and that worked a little but nowhere near as much as some decent marketing would have. I personally told a lot of friends about it and they all enjoyed it to varying degrees, almost all without having seen Firefly, they just didn't know about the film in the first place.
You're right though, not having any big name actors didn't help, though I think Universal should have capitalised on this since they didn't have to spend huge amounts of money on hiring huge stars and could have spend more on marketing. We're obviously in disagreement about the whole thing, but I'd ask that you kindly avoid making random assumptions about me just because I'm a fan of the franchise.
I never really got into Buffy though I often saw it and enjoyed it, especially the "Grrr...argh" zombie at the end of every episode. Same with Angel, though I thought that was a much better show but only caught a few episodes. I heard Firefly was a good show and thought "what the hell" and bought the DVD, loved it.
Until I watched it I didn't even know who Joss Whedon was, or that the show was made by the guy who made Buffy and Angel. "all" the computer nerds and sci-fi geeks (I'm one myself, what of it?) didn't jump on because of Joss, so stop throwing around accusations like we only love it because of its creator because that's gorram bullshit.
This article has been linked to a lot over the past few days on various Firefly/Serenity boards. The quotes from Joss have clearly been taken out of context, a quick read-through of the other interviews he's given over the past few days show this. He's found closure because he got to tell the story he wanted to tell from the beginning. But he's said that if he had the chance to tell another story in the 'verse he turn right around and do it.
Specifically, he's hinted that another movie would reveal that bounty hunter Jubal Early from the last episode of Firefly is very much alive.
I'm a Browncoat but I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalala I can't hear you" when people suggest the franchise has come to an end. But this article is simply trolling.
FYI, Joss has confirmed that he's going to write another series of Serenity comics, and has been saying for months that the DVD sales of Serenity will determine whether the franchise will be seen on screens (big or small) in the future. EW are just quoting Joss out of context to stir up some contraversy. I for one am very unimpressed.
I know that Billy West and John DiMaggio have said frequently that they would love to make more Futurama, they said a few times in the DVD commentaries that it was seriously the most fun gig they'd ever had. Billy West voices a LOT of the main cast, as long as Katey Sagal and DiMaggio were on board too they'd have all the main actors. If they couldn't get Lauren Tom back on board the show could survive without Amy, and Phil LaMarr (Hermes, and others) and Maurice LaMarche (Kif, and others) are *always* working and by all accounts enjoyed working on Futurama too so one would hope they'd be able to provide their voices.
I also trust David X Cohen with the show, as long as he and Groening were working on it I think they'd find the right people to write for it.
Serenity is currently sitting at #1 on Amazon.com's DVD sales chart. The Firefly series DVD set is at #6. Not bad for a cancelled TV show that by all account "nobody" saw.
Joss Whedon has said time and again that the DVD sales for Serenity will decide on the fate of the universe the movie and series are set in. I'm a pretty pessimistic Browncoat, but #1 on Amazon for a film that had almost no marketing seems pretty encouraging to me.
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Looks like you'll get your wish then, what I've read about the game suggests that dungeons will be much more interactive than simply: enter room-clear room-move on to next room. Puzzles and traps ahoy, and hopefully NPCs in the dungeons that can be negotiated with ;)
I'll be personally a little pissed if they release a new DS system, since I just bought one. Also, isn't Mario Kart DS linked to your unique DS system? What are the consequences of playing it on another system?
Perhaps clerics will get their "detect traps" spell (I'm sure it's called something like that), an alternative to having a rogue but using up one of the cleric's spells when they could have another healing one. Stuff like that is fine by me, but yeah there's a problem of making a class *too* useful. Still, I'm hoping they make all the classes just as useful in cool ways as the rogue, so that they are well balanced and groups have different makeups.
I wasn't looking at playing another MMORPG for a long time, probably checking out Star Trek Online in a couple of years, but the work Turbine is putting into the Rogue class is making me have second thoughts. I've never been very attracted to playing a rogue in RPGs, but it looks like they're giving rogues a lot of freedom. If they do that with all the classes and make them all as seemingly interesting to play, I might give the game a go. Fancy posting some first impressions, Zonk?
"Lol warrior noob rouges pwn you" I laughed for hours at the guy who told me that in WoW. It was just evidence to support my theory that ~80% of WoW rogues were dickheaded 14 year olds. (possibly a higher percentage depending on your country/server).
Are you trying to be funny? PnP - Pen and Paper DnD - Dungeons and Dragons Zonk is saying that the new game does a good job of recreating the Pen and Paper experience in the form of an online game. Apologies if you made a joke and I just didn't get it though.
My original comment was of course light-hearted and comedic. I doubt even the inclusion of playable pandas would make me go back to WoW. However, nice to see someone not just flaming and making a case for their opinion. A keg of Chen's finest for you my friend :)
The Warcraft III expansion would disagree with your theory, and that's made by Blizzard so I guess they should know.
Indeed, the Draenei were rumoured to be the new Alliance race even before the Blood Elves were confirmed for the Horde. Let me know when the Pandareans become a playable race, then maybe I'll reactivate my account.
In my defense, when I submitted the story I included a link direct to Joss Whedon's comment, but it seems it wasn't included when the story was posted (thanks for accepting my submission though, mighty /. Overlords!).
Linky: http://whedonesque.com/comments/9027
In case you can't be bothered with the link:
"All right, now I have to jump in and set the record straight. EW is a fine rag, but they do take things out of context. Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was "I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips." But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying "I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium" all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will.
I hope that clears everything up. Oh, and when I say I want to do a Spike movie, it means I have a bunion on my toe.
-joss (by which I mean Tim)
(no, actually me.)
If that still doesn't make any sense, Joss is basically saying that EW took what he said and claimed he meant something different. He still wants to make Firefly/Serenity stories if he can.
"Apparently you can even learn thing from games." Thing? Singular? I think I've learned more than..five things from games! That must make me a terrorist or a communist, I sure hope Junior doesn't do too much learning from that those electronic toys!
You must have a lot of hands.
You could have got her a DS, they play GBA games too ;)
But well done, that really is a gift that keeps on giving. I just hope she doesn't read Slashdot, specifically the comments where you reveal what she's getting as a gift.
You should know that if you've seen the first season of Firefly then you've seen it all, there was never a second season. Serenity, the movie (not the pilot episode of the same name) was the first new Firefly in years. So if you've seen the whole series then you know that River didn't get made into a super chic hero. They gave her more action in the film, but I think Joss had to do that to get more interest from people who weren't fans, I assure you it doesn't swamp the film with River kicking ass - it's very tightly confined to a few minutes. Anyway, really I guess I'm just saying that if you made the investment to watch the series and enjoyed it I think it'd be a shame not to watch Serenity just because you "heard" that they'd spoiled the series. Lots of fans loved the movie, so it's not as clear cut as "Whedon sold out" or anything like that.
Whedon wrote the screenplay for the Buffy movie then watched as the studio (or someone else, not sure) tore it apart. That's why he made the tv show, he felt that it hadn't been used the way he wanted so he told his story through the series. Buffy is a bit too silly for me sometimes, I really liked the 10 or so episodes of Angel I caught. Anyway, you should be able to pick up the Firefly box set for about the same price as the Serenity DVD, I know here in the UK the Firefly box set is being sold in one store at £17.99, Serenity will likely cost £15 or so. This would be much better value for money, plus then if you enjoy the series you can decide whether to pay for another two hours and see Serenity.
Futurama - Matt Groening has an idea for a new show that you don't really understand but hey he made you a lot of money with The Simpsons. What you *don't* want is to say "no thanks, Matt" and have him take his idea to another network where it makes them millions. Much easier to play along and give him some money to go away and work until he gets rid of all that horrible creativity stuff. Of course, Groeaning and Cohen held out far longer than FOX liked, even with the insulting timeslots and frequent cancellation or airings. So they got 72 episodes and 4 kickass DVD sets out of it. They did the same with Whedon, he'd made two popular shows (Buffy and Angel, though to a lesser extent) and they'd want his new idea so no one else could run with it. Sad thing is that while they seemed to be happy enough for Matt Groening to do what he wanted they took great offense to the fact that Whedon's show was witty, intellectual and thought-provoking, not the sorts of things FOX's programming is generally famous for. Of course the execs didn't understand the show, all three of them are stupid robots, remember? ;-)
"You see? EW can stop stirring up contraversy and just bugger off for all I care." was added at the end by me, I should point out.
This is straight from Joss himself on Whedonesque: All right, now I have to jump in and set the record straight. EW is a fine rag, but they do take things out of context. Obviously when I said I had 'closure', what I meant was "I hate Serenity, I hated Firefly, I think my fans are stupid and Nathan Fillion smells like turnips." But EW's always got to put some weird negative spin on it. But so we're clear once and for all: If you read a quote saying "I'd love to do more in this 'verse with these actors in any medium" all I'm saying is that Nathan has a turnipy odor. It's not his fault, he doesn't eat a lot of them but everyone else in the cast noticed it and tht's not really something I'm prepared to deal with any more. And Jewel said outright she wouldn't do scenes with him except stuff like the SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER funeral scene which was outside in a high SPOILER wind. So if I do manage to find another incarnation for my beloved creation, it will have been totally against my will. I hope that clears everything up. Oh, and when I say I want to do a Spike movie, it means I have a bunion on my toe. -joss (by which I mean Tim) (no, actually me.) joss | December 21, 02:12 CET You see? EW can stop stirring up contraversy and just bugger off for all I care.
Amazon.com eh? ;-)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593074492/qid=11 35121589/sr=8-4/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-4543861-8072831?n =507846&s=books&v=glance
All three Serenity comics in a trade paperback. Released Jan 25th 2006. I haven't read the comics myself but I've heard they're very in-keeping with the feel of the show so I'll certainly be picking up this collection when it's available. Since Joss is definately writing more I'm hoping the comics become a regular thing, a couple of story arcs a year perhaps. The guy certainly has enough ideas for future storylines.
My fandom has nothing to do with it. You're saying that Serenity had as much marketing for it as Flightplan (launched around the same time in the USA)? Certainly not here in the UK where I saw a Serenity poster once and Flightplan ads all over town, and I've heard from fans in the US that Universal made no attempt to market the movie to people outside the very core market, the very people who could probably be expected to check out the movie anyway based on it being sci-fi/Joss Whedon etc. I don't download TV shows at all (I'm actually a law-abiding /.er), in fact I actually don't watch TV anymore since if anything is worth watching I hear about it and check it out on DVD, that's what happened with Firefly.
Universal believed that if they marketed the film to the fans then the fans would market it themselves, and that worked a little but nowhere near as much as some decent marketing would have. I personally told a lot of friends about it and they all enjoyed it to varying degrees, almost all without having seen Firefly, they just didn't know about the film in the first place.
You're right though, not having any big name actors didn't help, though I think Universal should have capitalised on this since they didn't have to spend huge amounts of money on hiring huge stars and could have spend more on marketing. We're obviously in disagreement about the whole thing, but I'd ask that you kindly avoid making random assumptions about me just because I'm a fan of the franchise.
I never really got into Buffy though I often saw it and enjoyed it, especially the "Grrr...argh" zombie at the end of every episode. Same with Angel, though I thought that was a much better show but only caught a few episodes. I heard Firefly was a good show and thought "what the hell" and bought the DVD, loved it. Until I watched it I didn't even know who Joss Whedon was, or that the show was made by the guy who made Buffy and Angel. "all" the computer nerds and sci-fi geeks (I'm one myself, what of it?) didn't jump on because of Joss, so stop throwing around accusations like we only love it because of its creator because that's gorram bullshit.
This article has been linked to a lot over the past few days on various Firefly/Serenity boards. The quotes from Joss have clearly been taken out of context, a quick read-through of the other interviews he's given over the past few days show this. He's found closure because he got to tell the story he wanted to tell from the beginning. But he's said that if he had the chance to tell another story in the 'verse he turn right around and do it. Specifically, he's hinted that another movie would reveal that bounty hunter Jubal Early from the last episode of Firefly is very much alive. I'm a Browncoat but I don't stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalala I can't hear you" when people suggest the franchise has come to an end. But this article is simply trolling. FYI, Joss has confirmed that he's going to write another series of Serenity comics, and has been saying for months that the DVD sales of Serenity will determine whether the franchise will be seen on screens (big or small) in the future. EW are just quoting Joss out of context to stir up some contraversy. I for one am very unimpressed.
DVD commentary quote: "You wrote it, you can't UNwrite it!"
I know that Billy West and John DiMaggio have said frequently that they would love to make more Futurama, they said a few times in the DVD commentaries that it was seriously the most fun gig they'd ever had. Billy West voices a LOT of the main cast, as long as Katey Sagal and DiMaggio were on board too they'd have all the main actors. If they couldn't get Lauren Tom back on board the show could survive without Amy, and Phil LaMarr (Hermes, and others) and Maurice LaMarche (Kif, and others) are *always* working and by all accounts enjoyed working on Futurama too so one would hope they'd be able to provide their voices. I also trust David X Cohen with the show, as long as he and Groening were working on it I think they'd find the right people to write for it.
Serenity is currently sitting at #1 on Amazon.com's DVD sales chart. The Firefly series DVD set is at #6. Not bad for a cancelled TV show that by all account "nobody" saw. Joss Whedon has said time and again that the DVD sales for Serenity will decide on the fate of the universe the movie and series are set in. I'm a pretty pessimistic Browncoat, but #1 on Amazon for a film that had almost no marketing seems pretty encouraging to me.