Whether or not you think it wrong doesn't change its legality. There are plenty of good reasons for such activity to be illegal, but I haven't made any claims to any of those reasons in any of my posts, so your statement is somewhat silly. When you hear me say that something is illegal because it is wrong and wrong because it is illegal then you can accuse me of circular reasoning. Until then you're just grandstanding with empty words.
I miss the circular part. You do realize that circular reasoning is defending point A with point B and defending point B with point A? That statement says that A. Hong Kong is finding criminals B. the criminals are engaged in a crime that C. is recognized as a crime around the world. I haven't actually offered firm defense of any of those points so it can hardly be called circular. But point A is demonstrated from our article and we wouldn't be having this conversation if point A didn't exist. Points B and C are pretty well known and demonstrate another reason we are having this discussion - some people don't like the fact that these activities are illegal. Nonetheless they are illegal activities (which means if you commit the activity you are engaged in crime). Please let me know how all this somehow magically becomes a circular argument.
Hence my reference to this kind of activity being recognized as a crime around the world. This isn't a limited group enforcing the standards of a limited group, it's activity against something that is worldwide recognized as unlawful.
Quite a few people have thrown out child labor comments but I'm struggling to see how this remotely applies. Children are not being employed or forced to work daily hours, this is a program within youth organizations that I assume are somewhat similar to Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts in the U.S. The groups here frequently take part in civic projects, including local law enforcement projects. This is not child labor, this is giving youth another way to take part in activities that demonstrate good citizenship.
If you would RTFA you'd notice that the idea isn't to have children out there surfing for warez sites, they will keep their eyes open while visiting discussion boards.
Reporting illegal activity is one aspect of being a good citizen. Being willing to support law enforcement is another aspect. And this is hardly like walking down a dark alley at 3am. Risks to the child are nil.
This isn't even remotely fascist activity. There's quite a difference between Hitler using children to weed out dissent and Hong Kong using children to find criminals engaged in a crime recognized as a crime all around the world.
Windows is not your property. Most software sales are sales of a license, not sales of the property. It only makes sense that you have to verify the license is yours before you can use the software that is not yours.
You need to read the article again. Here's the sentence right from the top:
One in five computers labelled as counterfeit are running legitimate operating systems
This does not mean that one in five computers are flagged as counterfeit. It means that of all the computers that are flagged as counterfeit, one in five are incorrectly flagged. No percentage is given as to how many computers are actually flagged so we have no idea what the overall ratio is. Please work on your reading skills before making claims like you did.
The intellect has nothing to do with the image of God. Consider those whose intellect is damaged due to some sort of genetic disability. The image of God in them is not less simply because the brain is wired wrong.
Irrelevant. You have missed the point entirely. 1+1=2 is independent of the existence of any gods.
Had there been no God, there would be no 1 to speak of. The only reason there is anything at all to talk about is because they were made, and the way things are the way they are is that God made them that way. We speak of the way things have to be, they have to be that way because that is how God set things up.
Perhaps if he wanted those things to remain unseen he (1) shouldn't have done them or (2) shouldn't have posted them to a website that is at its own discretion as to whether or not to truly "protect" his data.
What bothers me is that a badly written article has in it nothing but hearsay for its examples. I'm not so bothered by the fact that so many/.'ers jump on hearsay and point to it as Further Proof Of The Big Bad Guberment Doing Big Bad Stuff.
So you are saying Linux doesn't have any trouble interacting with digital cameras in the same way that Windows interacts with digital cameras? People may well do more than just copy pictures from their connected digi cams. And digital cameras form just one small area of the hardware woes facing Linux.
Uhm, it's anti-trust for Microsoft to avoid a competitor's product? This strikes me as good business sense. Anti-trust would be if Windows specifically prevented you from using anything except their format. But to say it's antitrust for Microsoft to avoid publishing their own material in a competitor's format - well, that claim is just downright silliness.
I prefer Gentoo myself but I've tried several distros, Ubuntu included. I just recently tried Suse for the first time and was quite surprised, I had rather low expectations for the distro but it struck me as being quite good.
Good points, particularly classifying what remains to be done. I think you're right and looking at it that way does change one's perspective a little. For myself, even with tricky hardware I can usually get my system running well under Linux. The only thing that keeps me from using Linux as my primary OS is Windows-only (well, some of it will run in OSX but not all) software.
If you really believe all those points, then I don't think you've used Linux for very much or on sophisticated hardware. XGL support, while looking good, is buggy and immature, not all software is under the package manager and updating manually installed software can be a pain, easier to use than Windows? On what world? For many basic tasks I could agree that the ease-of-use is probably about even, but I wouldn't call Ubuntu easier. Easy to install? On this one I think Windows still remains quite easier, even if Dapper does bring with it a lot of improvements. No drivers? The kernel has come a long way, but there is still quite a bit it doesn't know. I've never installed Linux for desktop use that I didn't have to spend quite a bit of time making all the hardware work right.
Ubuntu is doing a lot to make it easier for the average user to use Linux, but it's still got a long way to go before ease of use can compare to Windows.
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Whether or not you think it wrong doesn't change its legality. There are plenty of good reasons for such activity to be illegal, but I haven't made any claims to any of those reasons in any of my posts, so your statement is somewhat silly. When you hear me say that something is illegal because it is wrong and wrong because it is illegal then you can accuse me of circular reasoning. Until then you're just grandstanding with empty words.
I miss the circular part. You do realize that circular reasoning is defending point A with point B and defending point B with point A? That statement says that A. Hong Kong is finding criminals B. the criminals are engaged in a crime that C. is recognized as a crime around the world. I haven't actually offered firm defense of any of those points so it can hardly be called circular. But point A is demonstrated from our article and we wouldn't be having this conversation if point A didn't exist. Points B and C are pretty well known and demonstrate another reason we are having this discussion - some people don't like the fact that these activities are illegal. Nonetheless they are illegal activities (which means if you commit the activity you are engaged in crime). Please let me know how all this somehow magically becomes a circular argument.
Hence my reference to this kind of activity being recognized as a crime around the world. This isn't a limited group enforcing the standards of a limited group, it's activity against something that is worldwide recognized as unlawful.
The links are getting deleted? It sounds like the Hong Kong boy scouts are doing their job. :)
Haven't you heard? Kids are already on it.
Quite a few people have thrown out child labor comments but I'm struggling to see how this remotely applies. Children are not being employed or forced to work daily hours, this is a program within youth organizations that I assume are somewhat similar to Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts in the U.S. The groups here frequently take part in civic projects, including local law enforcement projects. This is not child labor, this is giving youth another way to take part in activities that demonstrate good citizenship.
If you would RTFA you'd notice that the idea isn't to have children out there surfing for warez sites, they will keep their eyes open while visiting discussion boards.
Reporting illegal activity is one aspect of being a good citizen. Being willing to support law enforcement is another aspect. And this is hardly like walking down a dark alley at 3am. Risks to the child are nil.
This isn't even remotely fascist activity. There's quite a difference between Hitler using children to weed out dissent and Hong Kong using children to find criminals engaged in a crime recognized as a crime all around the world.
Windows is not your property. Most software sales are sales of a license, not sales of the property. It only makes sense that you have to verify the license is yours before you can use the software that is not yours.
You need to read the article again. Here's the sentence right from the top:
One in five computers labelled as counterfeit are running legitimate operating systems
This does not mean that one in five computers are flagged as counterfeit. It means that of all the computers that are flagged as counterfeit, one in five are incorrectly flagged. No percentage is given as to how many computers are actually flagged so we have no idea what the overall ratio is. Please work on your reading skills before making claims like you did.
The intellect has nothing to do with the image of God. Consider those whose intellect is damaged due to some sort of genetic disability. The image of God in them is not less simply because the brain is wired wrong.
Irrelevant. You have missed the point entirely. 1+1=2 is independent of the existence of any gods.
Had there been no God, there would be no 1 to speak of. The only reason there is anything at all to talk about is because they were made, and the way things are the way they are is that God made them that way. We speak of the way things have to be, they have to be that way because that is how God set things up.
Actually, your response reflects much of what is wrong with the world. Man does not decide what is right and wrong, God decides.
One should embrace illegal activity?
Perhaps if he wanted those things to remain unseen he (1) shouldn't have done them or (2) shouldn't have posted them to a website that is at its own discretion as to whether or not to truly "protect" his data.
What bothers me is that a badly written article has in it nothing but hearsay for its examples. I'm not so bothered by the fact that so many /.'ers jump on hearsay and point to it as Further Proof Of The Big Bad Guberment Doing Big Bad Stuff.
So you are saying Linux doesn't have any trouble interacting with digital cameras in the same way that Windows interacts with digital cameras? People may well do more than just copy pictures from their connected digi cams. And digital cameras form just one small area of the hardware woes facing Linux.
Uhm, it's anti-trust for Microsoft to avoid a competitor's product? This strikes me as good business sense. Anti-trust would be if Windows specifically prevented you from using anything except their format. But to say it's antitrust for Microsoft to avoid publishing their own material in a competitor's format - well, that claim is just downright silliness.
I've heard of this phenomenon. I think they call it "lobbying".
Wow. From internet connection speeds to fears about impinged freedom. Does everything become political?
I prefer Gentoo myself but I've tried several distros, Ubuntu included. I just recently tried Suse for the first time and was quite surprised, I had rather low expectations for the distro but it struck me as being quite good.
Good points, particularly classifying what remains to be done. I think you're right and looking at it that way does change one's perspective a little. For myself, even with tricky hardware I can usually get my system running well under Linux. The only thing that keeps me from using Linux as my primary OS is Windows-only (well, some of it will run in OSX but not all) software.
Not hard at all. http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vis ta/print.html
If you really believe all those points, then I don't think you've used Linux for very much or on sophisticated hardware. XGL support, while looking good, is buggy and immature, not all software is under the package manager and updating manually installed software can be a pain, easier to use than Windows? On what world? For many basic tasks I could agree that the ease-of-use is probably about even, but I wouldn't call Ubuntu easier. Easy to install? On this one I think Windows still remains quite easier, even if Dapper does bring with it a lot of improvements. No drivers? The kernel has come a long way, but there is still quite a bit it doesn't know. I've never installed Linux for desktop use that I didn't have to spend quite a bit of time making all the hardware work right. Ubuntu is doing a lot to make it easier for the average user to use Linux, but it's still got a long way to go before ease of use can compare to Windows.