What the hell does open sourcing Opera have to do with anything? You argue against Safari, which uses an open source core...yet open sourcing Opera is supposed to help how?
In-case you didn't know this, not everyone can just open source their code. There is this thing called license agreements. If a company licenses code from another company, then they can't open source their products. It's a very simple concept...but it seems to be beyond the scope of the average Slashdot reader.
You're right!!!! I'll go and load Firefox onto my PDA right this minute! Everyone who has a handheld device and accesses the net should do the same thing right this minute!!!!!!!!
No, I disagree, the comment about Mozilla being anti-competitive by not paying Google to be able to include the Search Bar in Mozilla was equally retarded.
What a dumbass. The arguement was Microsoft bundled IE, a non-monopoly product, with Windows, a product which was a monopoly, to shut Netscape out of the market. There are no laws saying you can't give things away for free. If Microsoft had shipped Windows without IE but had offered IE for a free download, it wouldn't have been illegal.
As for Mozilla, why the fuck would they pay Google? That has to be the dumbest thing I've seen on Slashdot all day....which is pretty bad, as there are a lot of retarded people on Slashdot.
Mozilla: Hey Google! I'm going to pay you to bring you more customers, and I'll get nothing out of the whole deal!!!!
Google: Ummmmm, sure...if you say so.
In-case you don't get what I'm saying, Google is paying Opera and Mozilla to include the search bar, not the other way around.
Anyways, the factually incorrect arguements you are bringing to the table are irrelevent because Opera doesn't have anything close to a monopoly.
To respond to myself, for $90 a month, from Shaw Cablesystems, I get digital phone service with a flat fee for long distance in north america, excellent cable tv service with about 70 channels (good enough considering i watch 3 of them:-P) and the internet i spoke of in parent post with 50 GB of bandwidth per month, 3 MB/s. Not bad hey?
Aren't there any ISP's in the US like this? I heard that the US ISP's were 10 a lot worse than the Canadian ones, but I didn't think it was as bad as the grandparent poster makes out.
Perhaps you should upgrade to broadband...up here in Canada we are perfectly connected 99.9% of the time. Most people's computers are being repaired because of viruses and spyware more often than their internet goes down.
Google Earth absolutely rocks. I had heard about it for a while, finally decided to give it a shot, and was absolutely floored. NASA's EarthWind's is a POS program, so I figured Google Earth would be the same, but I was wrong. When I was able to view alleys and where they led and shit like that, without having to look at some confusing map with 10,000 words crammed onto a page with little lines for roads, I realized they had a really good solution. Plus, it was neat looking at foreign cities I've always wanted to go to.
Hewlett Packard did. HP has shipped large Itanium servers to Telecommunications customers running customized Debian. HP also threw a lot of weight behind the port of Debian to the Itanium, which resulted in Debian Woody being the first distro to support Itanium. There is also a law that states that if you release benchmarks of a product, the product then has to be released within 6 months (in the US). I heard this directly from an HP representative. Because Red Hat and SUSE were taking so long to support Itanium, Debian was used for a lot of the earlier benchmarks of HP Itanium systems.
You don't trademark a work, you trademark a name. If Linus said "You can't use the name Linux" you could simply call the system Red Hat Freeax (Linus' original thought for the name of Linux)...although that would sound stupid.
I very highly doubt that. Copyright law allows for a balance of how works are distributed. Copyright law by default is very restrictive. The whole point of copyright licenses is to loosen those restrictions. The authors of GPL'd code have essentially said "I own the copyright to this code. I own the exclusive right to this code. HOWEVER, I will allow you to do a, b, c, d and e as long as you abide by f, g, h and i.
There is absolutely NOTHING in case law to support the fact that if you loosen your restrictions too much you lose your copyright. Of course, if there are any laws like this or caselaw like this and you would like to prove me wrong, please do so.
To say that if a license is found to be invalid that the code it covers would go into the public domain is ridiculous. You have obviously been listening to SCO's and Microsoft's lawyers a little too much. If Microsoft's Shared Source license is found to be invalid, will Windows be put in the public domain? If so, please inform them, as obviously them nor I are aware of any clause or case law which would support your theory.
If anything, BSD licensed code would go first, not the GPL. When Novell/USL sued the University of California over BSD and later faced a possible copyright infringement suit for not complying with the BSD license (which is way, way, way more permissive than the GPL), they quickly settled and even paid the University's legal fees. You should inform them that they were in-fact wrong about copyright laws work, and that that code is in-fact public domain.
Ah fuck!!! 65 bit...I just spent a grande on an AMD64. Now I have to buy another new computer *sighs* When will AMD65 computers start shipping from HP?
Hopefully, somewhere down the road, this will enhance the quality of their mobile phones. One of the old Nokia cell phones I used had a few defects; for example, the battery compartment always wanted to slip off.
But one has to wonder, exactly, what kind of direction Nokia is headed. Do they really think this is good news for the millions who use their products everyday? I think that taking chances like this may turn into a sour deal for them.
Using GNU/Linux -- Windows-free zone!
How is Nokia investing in software development tools going to help them improve the quality of the physical components of their phones, such as battery compartments? I very highly doubt the plastic case of the phone was programmed in Java:-P
As for their users, this is for developers, not users. Users don't write phone software, developers do.
Ummmm...Novell had an overall profit over something like $30 million last year and $2 million this year. Yes, their revenue is declining, but they are not "nowhere near profitable" as you say.
Are you sure you're not the teenage analyst?
Leave it to Slashdot crew (syblings and nephews of this post) to get oh so offended at a funny joke. Despite it being a false representation it was funny, so try not get your panties in a bunch, mmmkay?
Note the use of the world "Aquisition" in my post. You are not part of the aquisition cost of something. You are part of the TCO. Even Microsoft knows to differentiate the two.
You have to test a piece of software whether it is OSS or Proprietary. What I was getting at is that you can simply download and test the software with OS, instead of jumping through hoops to get a limited functionality demo.
Naw, I didn't think it was you. Sorry if my posts came off as offensive. I kind of symboled that with the:) in my last post, but I better actually say it to avoid being attacked by the holier than thou AC troll again.
At least I don't apply general, sweeping stereotypes to a whole group of people while not even being man enough to get an account. In-case you didn't figure it out, the:) in my post was along the lines of "My bad".
Why am I argueing with you anyways, the person you are "defending" just called you a troll:-P
No, I don't criticize them for these comments, because they are free to have their own opinion. If a Slashdot user who really enjoys let's say SugarCRM, wants to go and pimp it up on Slashdot, then good for him.
I'm also free to tell you I think you are acting like an idiot (notice I said acting, I didn't say you are one, before you jump on me for that) for criticizing person A because they didn't live up to what person B promised, when person A and B have no relation to each other whatsoever and don't speak for each other.
See the difference? Do you need a diagram drawn for you that explains this better?
Oh, and to finish this comment, it's funny, I don't see you criticizing these enthusiastic users, instead you are criticizing completely different people for not doing something they never promised.
Perhaps you should learn to not bust a vein over every little thing, because I clicked reply on the wrong comment and never meant to reply to you in the first place. Bye.:)
Case in point, Microsoft BOB. It did make it to market, but didn't last very long.
We will never know how many dead Microsoft internal projects there are. With a company like Apple whom only announces products a month before their release, it is even less apparent. Whereas with F/OSS, if I write an application for a week, post it to Sourceforge, then ditch it a week later, it will be there still in 10 years. It is more of a problem with Sourceforge than with OSS.
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Them having a business relationship with a browser company that has 1% market share is worrying to you?
What the hell does open sourcing Opera have to do with anything? You argue against Safari, which uses an open source core...yet open sourcing Opera is supposed to help how?
In-case you didn't know this, not everyone can just open source their code. There is this thing called license agreements. If a company licenses code from another company, then they can't open source their products. It's a very simple concept...but it seems to be beyond the scope of the average Slashdot reader.
You're right!!!! I'll go and load Firefox onto my PDA right this minute! Everyone who has a handheld device and accesses the net should do the same thing right this minute!!!!!!!!
Oh...wait a minute...
No, I disagree, the comment about Mozilla being anti-competitive by not paying Google to be able to include the Search Bar in Mozilla was equally retarded.
What a dumbass. The arguement was Microsoft bundled IE, a non-monopoly product, with Windows, a product which was a monopoly, to shut Netscape out of the market. There are no laws saying you can't give things away for free. If Microsoft had shipped Windows without IE but had offered IE for a free download, it wouldn't have been illegal.
As for Mozilla, why the fuck would they pay Google? That has to be the dumbest thing I've seen on Slashdot all day....which is pretty bad, as there are a lot of retarded people on Slashdot.
Mozilla: Hey Google! I'm going to pay you to bring you more customers, and I'll get nothing out of the whole deal!!!!
Google: Ummmmm, sure...if you say so.
In-case you don't get what I'm saying, Google is paying Opera and Mozilla to include the search bar, not the other way around.
Anyways, the factually incorrect arguements you are bringing to the table are irrelevent because Opera doesn't have anything close to a monopoly.
Fucking Microsoft shills.
To respond to myself, for $90 a month, from Shaw Cablesystems, I get digital phone service with a flat fee for long distance in north america, excellent cable tv service with about 70 channels (good enough considering i watch 3 of them :-P) and the internet i spoke of in parent post with 50 GB of bandwidth per month, 3 MB/s. Not bad hey?
Aren't there any ISP's in the US like this? I heard that the US ISP's were 10 a lot worse than the Canadian ones, but I didn't think it was as bad as the grandparent poster makes out.
Perhaps you should upgrade to broadband...up here in Canada we are perfectly connected 99.9% of the time. Most people's computers are being repaired because of viruses and spyware more often than their internet goes down.
Google Earth absolutely rocks. I had heard about it for a while, finally decided to give it a shot, and was absolutely floored. NASA's EarthWind's is a POS program, so I figured Google Earth would be the same, but I was wrong. When I was able to view alleys and where they led and shit like that, without having to look at some confusing map with 10,000 words crammed onto a page with little lines for roads, I realized they had a really good solution. Plus, it was neat looking at foreign cities I've always wanted to go to.
And then fire all of their employees and executives cause they've run out of money? Excellent idea!!!!
Hewlett Packard did. HP has shipped large Itanium servers to Telecommunications customers running customized Debian. HP also threw a lot of weight behind the port of Debian to the Itanium, which resulted in Debian Woody being the first distro to support Itanium. There is also a law that states that if you release benchmarks of a product, the product then has to be released within 6 months (in the US). I heard this directly from an HP representative. Because Red Hat and SUSE were taking so long to support Itanium, Debian was used for a lot of the earlier benchmarks of HP Itanium systems.
You don't trademark a work, you trademark a name. If Linus said "You can't use the name Linux" you could simply call the system Red Hat Freeax (Linus' original thought for the name of Linux)...although that would sound stupid.
I very highly doubt that. Copyright law allows for a balance of how works are distributed. Copyright law by default is very restrictive. The whole point of copyright licenses is to loosen those restrictions. The authors of GPL'd code have essentially said "I own the copyright to this code. I own the exclusive right to this code. HOWEVER, I will allow you to do a, b, c, d and e as long as you abide by f, g, h and i.
There is absolutely NOTHING in case law to support the fact that if you loosen your restrictions too much you lose your copyright. Of course, if there are any laws like this or caselaw like this and you would like to prove me wrong, please do so.
To say that if a license is found to be invalid that the code it covers would go into the public domain is ridiculous. You have obviously been listening to SCO's and Microsoft's lawyers a little too much. If Microsoft's Shared Source license is found to be invalid, will Windows be put in the public domain? If so, please inform them, as obviously them nor I are aware of any clause or case law which would support your theory.
If anything, BSD licensed code would go first, not the GPL. When Novell/USL sued the University of California over BSD and later faced a possible copyright infringement suit for not complying with the BSD license (which is way, way, way more permissive than the GPL), they quickly settled and even paid the University's legal fees. You should inform them that they were in-fact wrong about copyright laws work, and that that code is in-fact public domain.
Ah fuck!!! 65 bit...I just spent a grande on an AMD64. Now I have to buy another new computer *sighs* When will AMD65 computers start shipping from HP?
Hopefully, somewhere down the road, this will enhance the quality of their mobile phones. One of the old Nokia cell phones I used had a few defects; for example, the battery compartment always wanted to slip off. But one has to wonder, exactly, what kind of direction Nokia is headed. Do they really think this is good news for the millions who use their products everyday? I think that taking chances like this may turn into a sour deal for them. Using GNU/Linux -- Windows-free zone!
:-P
How is Nokia investing in software development tools going to help them improve the quality of the physical components of their phones, such as battery compartments? I very highly doubt the plastic case of the phone was programmed in Java
As for their users, this is for developers, not users. Users don't write phone software, developers do.
Overall....one very weird comment.
Ummmm...Novell had an overall profit over something like $30 million last year and $2 million this year. Yes, their revenue is declining, but they are not "nowhere near profitable" as you say. Are you sure you're not the teenage analyst?
It is. Notice the word middle click. Not that it makes a big difference, but I miss the functionality myself too.
Are you trying to be funny? I'm really trying to figure out what in the hell you are talking about...
Leave it to Slashdot crew (syblings and nephews of this post) to get oh so offended at a funny joke. Despite it being a false representation it was funny, so try not get your panties in a bunch, mmmkay?
Note the use of the world "Aquisition" in my post. You are not part of the aquisition cost of something. You are part of the TCO. Even Microsoft knows to differentiate the two. You have to test a piece of software whether it is OSS or Proprietary. What I was getting at is that you can simply download and test the software with OS, instead of jumping through hoops to get a limited functionality demo.
Naw, I didn't think it was you. Sorry if my posts came off as offensive. I kind of symboled that with the :) in my last post, but I better actually say it to avoid being attacked by the holier than thou AC troll again.
At least I don't apply general, sweeping stereotypes to a whole group of people while not even being man enough to get an account. In-case you didn't figure it out, the :) in my post was along the lines of "My bad".
:-P
Why am I argueing with you anyways, the person you are "defending" just called you a troll
That is an extremely good point that I didn't think of. Another one is that you can learn from past projects mistakes.
No, I don't criticize them for these comments, because they are free to have their own opinion. If a Slashdot user who really enjoys let's say SugarCRM, wants to go and pimp it up on Slashdot, then good for him.
I'm also free to tell you I think you are acting like an idiot (notice I said acting, I didn't say you are one, before you jump on me for that) for criticizing person A because they didn't live up to what person B promised, when person A and B have no relation to each other whatsoever and don't speak for each other.
See the difference? Do you need a diagram drawn for you that explains this better?
Oh, and to finish this comment, it's funny, I don't see you criticizing these enthusiastic users, instead you are criticizing completely different people for not doing something they never promised.
Learn to read and grow up, please.
:)
Perhaps you should learn to not bust a vein over every little thing, because I clicked reply on the wrong comment and never meant to reply to you in the first place. Bye.
Case in point, Microsoft BOB. It did make it to market, but didn't last very long.
We will never know how many dead Microsoft internal projects there are. With a company like Apple whom only announces products a month before their release, it is even less apparent. Whereas with F/OSS, if I write an application for a week, post it to Sourceforge, then ditch it a week later, it will be there still in 10 years. It is more of a problem with Sourceforge than with OSS.