People don't remember this when it comes to Windows and Microsoft, but the second a flaw in Linux pops up people blame it on the users.
Although this is Slashdot and there is a very simple rule here, anything MS does is bad. Anything that happens on Windows is MS' fault, irregardless if it is true or not.
I am a Linux supporter but the double standards on this site makes me sick. You hear a story about a company leaving Windows for Linux, well dontcha know thats cause Windows sucks so much.
But the second a story pops up about a company leaving Linux for Windows, the company is doing something wrong, the IT staff is incompetent, etc.
I use Avast! Antivirus and Zonealarm on my Win2000 computer, and Avast! Antivirus and Windows Firewall on my XP. It is a free download (you have to do a free registration every 15 months) and it works wonders. I was having major problems with Norton, so I searched online and found it, and installed it and liked it better. I dropped Norton even though I had 6 months of updates left on my account.
They also sell Professional solutions and server solutions (including Linux and BSD Antivirus solutions for mail servers). The Pro version is for businesses and has more advanced features than the Home version, but for a regular home user, Avast Home Edition, a decent firewall and a decent spyware application works really well.
Novell's claims would be paid before IBM's, for the simple fact that the money that Novell is sueing SCO for is Novell's money to begin with, as per the APA. Whereas the money IBM is sueing for is for damages resulting from SCO's erratic behaviour.
Cause it would be stupid to think that Slashdot's editors tailor their articles just for you. Guess what I do when I see an article I'm not interested in...I don't read it!!!! OMFG, who would have ever thought of that, eh? I must be the most intelligent person in the world!!!! One thing I definately don't do is make a stupid comment that says nothing more than I'm not interested, cause guess what??? No one cares:)
You're mistaken. I know someone who worked at RadioShack. You are thinking of SCO Unix, another product from SCO.
Never mind the fact that SCO Linux never existed until a few years ago. SCO was Santa Cruz Operation 10 years ago, and sold SCO Openserver and later Unixware, and no other Operating Systems. The SCO Group was in-fact known as Caldera 10 years ago, and thus their products were called Caldera Linux, not SCO Linux. SCO Linux only went on sale after Caldera changed their name to the SCO Group in 2002ish, shortly before you say RadioShack switched to Windows. Obviously, SCO Linux only sold for a little over a year before they caesed distribution due to their Linux related extortion scheme *cough cough* erm...litigation I mean.
Santa Cruz Operation != The SCO Group/Caldera
There is no possible way Radio Shack ran SCO Linux 10 years ago. According to them and Microsoft also, they ran Unix.
Not true. You do NOT own the software under copyright law. You own the hardware and the disc the software is distributed on. All of the software you run is licensed from third parties, albeit under a very permissive license.
This is the same as with a book. You own the paper it is printed on, but the content is not yours, but you are using it with the copyright owner's permission. In-fact, that was a bad analogy on your part. The GPL is much less restrictive than normal copyright law under which the contents of a book are normally redistributed.
It doesn't matter whether you use software under the most restrictive license in the world or the most permissive, unless you write it yourself or have the copyright assigned to you, you don't own it.
This applies to BSD software too. Ownership of a piece of software implies ownership of the copyrights, which isn't, and couldn't be, granted with the GPL, or any other software license for that matter, since ownership has to be transfered through a contract, not a license.
IBM actually doesn't make any money on Linux itself, that goes to Red Hat or Novell. They make money on services, which they provide for Linux and Windows, among many other products.
Same with Canada Safeway, where I used to work. They moved their cash systems from Unix to Windows Server 2003 and WinXP Embedded, and now the actual terminals have to rebooted periodicly throughout the day as they lock up. It is actually something new cashiers are trained to do.
Limewire pissed me off anyways, it crashed on me on Linux all of the time and was incredibly slow. This license thing was the last straw. I like using Gnutella though. So I gave both Phex and gtk-gnutella a shot. I settled on gtk-gnutella for Linux and Phex for Windows. Bye bye Limewire.
Any reason why exactly? Or are you one of those people who will make decisions about technology solutions for your business based on your personal like or dislike for a particular company?
He clearly said as long as OS X has been around, not as long as it has been around in one form or another.
By your logic, Windows XP has been around since 1995, when Windows 95 was released, since they share the Explorer shell. Oh, wait, Windows NT 3.1 used an earlier version of the XP kernel, so Windows XP has been around even longer.
In-case you misunderstood what I am getting at, he means since OS X was released as a product that came in a box that said OS X on it. It being owned by NeXT, not containing Aqua, and only sharing some base code doesn't really count.
Oh, no problem. I fired them off an email and they responded about the matter. I will reproduce it here. I probably came off a bit strong, please note I am not mad at you in any way as you probably didn't know about this.
My Email to them:
Hello. I recently read about your bgxmail/mailnation service on Slashdot so I decided to give it a test run and sign up. Upon activating a new account, I received an email from customer service. Here are the parts I am worried about.
--
Please note that in order to keep this account, you must fill out the form located here (only do this if you live in the US - you should NOT do this if you do not live in the US): http://www.lynxtrack.com/afclick.php?o=445&b=g8cmt phz&p=3053&l=1 -You need only to fill out the first page.
Use the following info:
Property Location: District of Columbia Loan Type: Home Improvement Property Value: 780,000-800,000 Mortgage Balance: 95,000-100,000 Rate your credit: excellent
If in the US: -If the form above is not filled out, this account will be deleted in 24 hours. If not in the US: Your account will not be deleted regardless of filling out this form or not.
*Please note that the use of YahooGroups is strictly prohibited. If you choose to receive such emails, your account will be deleted without notice. Thank you.
--
Is this some kind of Scam operation? Any reputable mail service vendor would not be sending out emails asking people to take out mortgages on their house, much less in an email from Customer Service. I am thinking that this is an illegal activity. Please delete my account(XXXXXXX@mailnation.net), as I will not be using your service. I will also be forwarding a copy of your email to the Better Business Beareau, as I have archived a copy of this email on my computer. Any followup can be done with me via my XXXXXX@XXXXXX account. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
Their reply to myself:
Hello,
We will gladly delete your account. Our business practices are not unfair and illegal in any sense. You can choose to fill out the form, or not. This helps to generate revenue from our advertisers, and the information you enter is not yours at all. Therefore, there is no sense of illegal activities going on, however, it is up to you to recommend our company to the BBB if that is what you'd like to do, but it still will not get anywhere.
They are either ripping off their advertisers by having people enter in information without actually taking out a loan or else they are really trying to scam people for money. Not someone I would trust my emails to. They say it is optional, yet they also say the account will be deleted if you don't do it.
(XXXXXXXXXXXX's represent information I have excluded from this post for privacy reasons)
I just signed up for bgxmail, and this is a portion of my introductory email.
Please note that in order to keep this account, you must fill out the form located here (only do this if you live in the US - you should NOT do this if you do not live in the US): http://www.lynxtrack.com/afclick.php?o=445&b=g8cmt phz&p=3053&l=1 -You need only to fill out the first page.
Use the following info:
Property Location: District of Columbia Loan Type: Home Improvement Property Value: 780,000-800,000 Mortgage Balance: 95,000-100,000 Rate your credit: excellent
If in the US: -If the form above is not filled out, this account will be deleted in 24 hours. If not in the US: Your account will not be deleted regardless of filling out this form or not.
What the hell is this all about? I didn't click on the link of course, but what are they trying to do...scam me for money? This isn't the kind of thing hotmail, yahoo mail or gmail would send a customer. And it most certainly is not something an ISP would send to a customer. This came as part of the email introducing me to the service, and telling me how to set up my mail client. Should I even use this service???? I am having bad feelings about it.
Ummm duh, it does on most distros. I popped a TV Tuner card in my PC the other day, turned it back on, and TVTime worked right away. Just because a fancy box doesnt pop up doesnt mean it isnt doing it.
No, they obviously have IT staff problems. Slashdot is a much more highly viewed site, running Apache on Linux, and it doesn't have these kinds of problems. Groklaw is another example.
I don't know how they plan on doing this...considering Limewire is released under the GPL.
From/usr/lib/LimeWire/SOURCE on my Linux machine:
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The LimeWire source code can be obtained from the LimeWire open source development site at www.limewire.org. The source code can be easily accessed at: http://gui.limewire.org/servlets/ProjectSource.
Thank you for your interest in LimeWire!
-LimeWire Team
-----------
The COPYING file in the same directory contains a copy of the GNU GPL v 2.
So, considering Limewire LLC doesn't own the copyrights to all of the work in the program, they cannot change the license terms on the other code. What is preventing a fork that still allows copyrighted material to be downloaded???
I think this is Limewire LLC's way of removing their own liability, even though they know Limewire will now get forked. I don't really blame them either.
Or else we could have competition and the competition could work towards supporting the standards? A Monopoly, whether closed or open source, is not good. Look at KDE and Gnome...they are innovating because they are racing against each other.
OK, enlighten me, what in my post was factually incorrect? According to the DOJ documents, the reason Microsoft faced antitrust action was because they bundled IE directly with Windows. If you know otherwise, please point out where I was wrong instead of just telling me to learn some reading comprehension.
Oh, and I'm not afraid to speak my mind. If I think your saying stupid things such as it being anti-competitive that Mozilla doesn't pay Google for a business relationship that only benefits Google, I'll damn well say it.
The entire content of my post seemed to fly right over your head, either that or you ignored it. Perhaps it is you that should practise your reading comprehension?
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People don't remember this when it comes to Windows and Microsoft, but the second a flaw in Linux pops up people blame it on the users.
Although this is Slashdot and there is a very simple rule here, anything MS does is bad. Anything that happens on Windows is MS' fault, irregardless if it is true or not.
I am a Linux supporter but the double standards on this site makes me sick. You hear a story about a company leaving Windows for Linux, well dontcha know thats cause Windows sucks so much.
But the second a story pops up about a company leaving Linux for Windows, the company is doing something wrong, the IT staff is incompetent, etc.
Oh well...par for the course for Slashdot.
I use Avast! Antivirus and Zonealarm on my Win2000 computer, and Avast! Antivirus and Windows Firewall on my XP. It is a free download (you have to do a free registration every 15 months) and it works wonders. I was having major problems with Norton, so I searched online and found it, and installed it and liked it better. I dropped Norton even though I had 6 months of updates left on my account.
http://www.avast.com/
Look for Home Edition.
They also sell Professional solutions and server solutions (including Linux and BSD Antivirus solutions for mail servers). The Pro version is for businesses and has more advanced features than the Home version, but for a regular home user, Avast Home Edition, a decent firewall and a decent spyware application works really well.
Novell's claims would be paid before IBM's, for the simple fact that the money that Novell is sueing SCO for is Novell's money to begin with, as per the APA. Whereas the money IBM is sueing for is for damages resulting from SCO's erratic behaviour.
Semi-Annually, actually. Last release was in March/April of this year.
Cause it would be stupid to think that Slashdot's editors tailor their articles just for you. Guess what I do when I see an article I'm not interested in...I don't read it!!!! OMFG, who would have ever thought of that, eh? I must be the most intelligent person in the world!!!! One thing I definately don't do is make a stupid comment that says nothing more than I'm not interested, cause guess what??? No one cares :)
You're mistaken. I know someone who worked at RadioShack. You are thinking of SCO Unix, another product from SCO.
s eStudy.asp?CaseStudyID=17131
Never mind the fact that SCO Linux never existed until a few years ago. SCO was Santa Cruz Operation 10 years ago, and sold SCO Openserver and later Unixware, and no other Operating Systems. The SCO Group was in-fact known as Caldera 10 years ago, and thus their products were called Caldera Linux, not SCO Linux. SCO Linux only went on sale after Caldera changed their name to the SCO Group in 2002ish, shortly before you say RadioShack switched to Windows. Obviously, SCO Linux only sold for a little over a year before they caesed distribution due to their Linux related extortion scheme *cough cough* erm...litigation I mean.
Santa Cruz Operation != The SCO Group/Caldera
There is no possible way Radio Shack ran SCO Linux 10 years ago. According to them and Microsoft also, they ran Unix.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/casestudies/Ca
Surprising....you read Slashdot yet you have never heard of Google.
Not true. You do NOT own the software under copyright law. You own the hardware and the disc the software is distributed on. All of the software you run is licensed from third parties, albeit under a very permissive license.
This is the same as with a book. You own the paper it is printed on, but the content is not yours, but you are using it with the copyright owner's permission. In-fact, that was a bad analogy on your part. The GPL is much less restrictive than normal copyright law under which the contents of a book are normally redistributed.
It doesn't matter whether you use software under the most restrictive license in the world or the most permissive, unless you write it yourself or have the copyright assigned to you, you don't own it.
This applies to BSD software too. Ownership of a piece of software implies ownership of the copyrights, which isn't, and couldn't be, granted with the GPL, or any other software license for that matter, since ownership has to be transfered through a contract, not a license.
IBM actually doesn't make any money on Linux itself, that goes to Red Hat or Novell. They make money on services, which they provide for Linux and Windows, among many other products.
Same with Canada Safeway, where I used to work. They moved their cash systems from Unix to Windows Server 2003 and WinXP Embedded, and now the actual terminals have to rebooted periodicly throughout the day as they lock up. It is actually something new cashiers are trained to do.
Limewire pissed me off anyways, it crashed on me on Linux all of the time and was incredibly slow. This license thing was the last straw. I like using Gnutella though. So I gave both Phex and gtk-gnutella a shot. I settled on gtk-gnutella for Linux and Phex for Windows. Bye bye Limewire.
Notice the Score:5,Funny. This means it was a joke. Lighten up, my grandma is less uptight than you.
Any reason why exactly? Or are you one of those people who will make decisions about technology solutions for your business based on your personal like or dislike for a particular company?
What a stupid post, honestly...
He clearly said as long as OS X has been around, not as long as it has been around in one form or another.
By your logic, Windows XP has been around since 1995, when Windows 95 was released, since they share the Explorer shell. Oh, wait, Windows NT 3.1 used an earlier version of the XP kernel, so Windows XP has been around even longer.
In-case you misunderstood what I am getting at, he means since OS X was released as a product that came in a box that said OS X on it. It being owned by NeXT, not containing Aqua, and only sharing some base code doesn't really count.
If only I had mod points....that was pretty funny
Oh, no problem. I fired them off an email and they responded about the matter. I will reproduce it here. I probably came off a bit strong, please note I am not mad at you in any way as you probably didn't know about this.
t phz&p=3053&l=1
My Email to them:
Hello. I recently read about your bgxmail/mailnation service on Slashdot so I decided to give it a test run and sign up. Upon activating a new account, I received an email from customer service. Here are the parts I am worried about.
--
Please note that in order to keep this account, you must fill out the form located here (only do this if you live in the US - you should NOT do this if you do not live in the US):
http://www.lynxtrack.com/afclick.php?o=445&b=g8cm
-You need only to fill out the first page.
Use the following info:
Property Location: District of Columbia
Loan Type: Home Improvement
Property Value: 780,000-800,000
Mortgage Balance: 95,000-100,000
Rate your credit: excellent
If in the US: -If the form above is not filled out, this account will be deleted in 24 hours. If not in the US: Your account will not be deleted regardless of filling
out this form or not.
*Please note that the use of YahooGroups is strictly prohibited. If you choose to receive such emails, your account will be deleted without notice. Thank you.
--
Is this some kind of Scam operation? Any reputable mail service vendor would not be sending out emails asking people to take out mortgages on their house, much less in an email from Customer Service. I am thinking that this is an illegal activity. Please delete my account(XXXXXXX@mailnation.net), as I will not be using your service. I will also be forwarding a copy of your email to the Better Business Beareau, as I have archived a copy of this email on my computer. Any followup can be done with me via my XXXXXX@XXXXXX account. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXXXX
Their reply to myself:
Hello,
We will gladly delete your account. Our business practices are not unfair and illegal in any sense. You can choose to fill out the form, or not. This helps to generate revenue from our advertisers, and the information you enter is not yours at all. Therefore, there is no sense of illegal activities going on, however, it is up to you to recommend our company to
the BBB if that is what you'd like to do, but it still will not get anywhere.
Sincerely,
XXXXXXX
-----------
XXXXXXXX
Chief Technology Officer
MailNation Solutions LLC
support@mailnation.net
XXXXXXXXXXXX
My Thoughts:
They are either ripping off their advertisers by having people enter in information without actually taking out a loan or else they are really trying to scam people for money. Not someone I would trust my emails to. They say it is optional, yet they also say the account will be deleted if you don't do it.
(XXXXXXXXXXXX's represent information I have excluded from this post for privacy reasons)
I just signed up for bgxmail, and this is a portion of my introductory email.
t phz&p=3053&l=1
Please note that in order to keep this account, you must fill out the form located here (only do this if you live in the US - you should NOT do this if you do not live in the US): http://www.lynxtrack.com/afclick.php?o=445&b=g8cm
-You need only to fill out the first page.
Use the following info:
Property Location: District of Columbia
Loan Type: Home Improvement
Property Value: 780,000-800,000
Mortgage Balance: 95,000-100,000
Rate your credit: excellent
If in the US: -If the form above is not filled out, this account will be deleted in 24 hours.
If not in the US: Your account will not be deleted regardless of filling out this form or not.
What the hell is this all about? I didn't click on the link of course, but what are they trying to do...scam me for money? This isn't the kind of thing hotmail, yahoo mail or gmail would send a customer. And it most certainly is not something an ISP would send to a customer. This came as part of the email introducing me to the service, and telling me how to set up my mail client. Should I even use this service???? I am having bad feelings about it.
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Ummm duh, it does on most distros. I popped a TV Tuner card in my PC the other day, turned it back on, and TVTime worked right away. Just because a fancy box doesnt pop up doesnt mean it isnt doing it.
No, they obviously have IT staff problems. Slashdot is a much more highly viewed site, running Apache on Linux, and it doesn't have these kinds of problems. Groklaw is another example.
LOL! So true
I don't know how they plan on doing this...considering Limewire is released under the GPL.
/usr/lib/LimeWire/SOURCE on my Linux machine:
e +2.4.0+out+now! so it can always happen again.
From
-------------
The LimeWire source code can be obtained from the LimeWire open source
development site at www.limewire.org. The source code can be easily
accessed at: http://gui.limewire.org/servlets/ProjectSource.
Thank you for your interest in LimeWire!
-LimeWire Team
-----------
The COPYING file in the same directory contains a copy of the GNU GPL v 2.
So, considering Limewire LLC doesn't own the copyrights to all of the work in the program, they cannot change the license terms on the other code. What is preventing a fork that still allows copyrighted material to be downloaded???
Limewire was forked once before http://www.zeropaid.com/news/923/Release:+FreeWir
I think this is Limewire LLC's way of removing their own liability, even though they know Limewire will now get forked. I don't really blame them either.
Lol, nice comment. If only I had some mod points :)
Or else we could have competition and the competition could work towards supporting the standards? A Monopoly, whether closed or open source, is not good. Look at KDE and Gnome...they are innovating because they are racing against each other.
OK, enlighten me, what in my post was factually incorrect? According to the DOJ documents, the reason Microsoft faced antitrust action was because they bundled IE directly with Windows. If you know otherwise, please point out where I was wrong instead of just telling me to learn some reading comprehension.
Oh, and I'm not afraid to speak my mind. If I think your saying stupid things such as it being anti-competitive that Mozilla doesn't pay Google for a business relationship that only benefits Google, I'll damn well say it.
The entire content of my post seemed to fly right over your head, either that or you ignored it. Perhaps it is you that should practise your reading comprehension?