No, they are not engineers by any means. Yeah, they build simple equipment for their experiments, but they're not engineers. They rarely focus on building systems that must work for years on end, for instance. They build, but they do not truly engineer.
Indeed, I see you have resorted to ad hominem attacks. I take that as an indication of my victory in this discussion.
Not only that, but consider the portion that says 'The Windows community is a universe of uniformity [...] and standard graphical utilities.'
Indeed, we are seeing that that is not the case. Microsoft has gone out of their way to drastically alter their GUI, such that it looks nothing like the XP GUI, and thus nothing like the older GUI before that. Hardly a show of uniformity, if I do say so myself.
The Linux systems that run in 2 MB of RAM are hardly "Linux" systems. Some code is borrowed, but the experience is totally different. They're not suitable for any serious workstation tasks, like Tanenbaum is aiming for here.
I just want to thank you, Andy, for your decades of effort towards advancing the field of computing. Your contributions have been much appreciated. After all, if it were not for Minix we would not have Linux today. Thanks, Andy!
Remember that Americans (as in those born and educated in America) weren't responsible for the space feats of the 1960s. Those were the work of German engineers captured after WWII.
Actually, time and time again we hear about hazing incidents involving athletes, especially American football players. You know, where rookies are forced to strip naked in a dressing room shower, and then have cobs of corn stuck up their rectums by the veteran players.
You don't see that kind of behavior from Dungeons and Dragons players. You might get some insults from them, but never the crude, primal homosexuality often displayed by athletes.
After all programming is about turning thoughts in to something tangible.
What do you think engineering is? What do you think architecture is? What do you think carpentry is? What do you think artistry is? What do you think music is? What do you think making a fucking McDonalds hamburger is? It's turning an idea into reality. Nothing special there.
That's probably because he's a Republican. He completely fails to grasp concepts relating to the real world, but in his own little fantasy world he can do whatever he likes, and thus often succeeds.
Have you tried cutting down on your caffeine intake? Indeed, too much caffeine often makes one nervous, and jittery. Such things can lead to social awkwardness.
Tabletop roleplaying involves coming up with creative solutions to problems set in a clearly-defined ruleset, involve constant data-tracking and minor mathematical equations, and involve working together with small groups of people toward like-minded goals.
That applies just as much to the workers at McDonalds and to farmers as it does to basically any other job that requires an ounce of skill. Before the 1960s such tasks were often called "common capabilities". That is, they were the basic tasks that pretty much anyone and everyone was expected to be able to do. It's only now, with declining education systems in many western nations, that we consider mastery of such menial tasks to be an accomplishment.
I read the PDF, but it still doesn't outline what exactly the problem was, even if it was most likely a software bug. Was it an incorrectly written strftime-style routine? Was it a non-library problem manipulating the dates? Did the compiler emit incorrect code? Was the data being stored incorrectly in the database? Was the database a lossy database, losing or unknowingly modified data?
Can anyone provide more technical information regarding this flaw? What sort of hardware were these systems running on? What operating system(s)? Who wrote the software itself, what language was it written in, and what was the exact cause of the flaw? Was it a database flaw? If so, which database product was it?
What's to say that Linux won't take over in all those areas that you mentioned? You're assuming incorrectly that it can only "win" in one area. That's far from the truth. It could easily become dominant on all sorts of devices, for all sorts of applications, in China.
Indeed, India will also be an important battleground. However, China is far more coherent as a whole than India. India is a big locomotive, but it's not fully up to speed yet. China is just as big, and it's going far faster.
America and the EU are far too large and skill & resource-rich by comparison.
That's what Europeans said about America a couple hundred years ago. And witness how the economy of America overtook that of Europe for many decades. It happened once, and it may very well happen again. The upstart will overtake the existing economies.
It's not that easy. They'd still have to find a way to maintain backwards compatibility with existing Windows applications. And that's not necessarily very easy to do over a system like Linux, as shown by the Wine project. Sure, some apps work, but it's nothing like real Windows. Often times it is more unstable than Windows, and that is unfortunate.
While they may be able to reduce their development costs on the software underlying the GUI, they'd immediately lose such benefits because they'd need to reimplement much of that functionality over the Linux (or BSD, etc.) kernel.
It depends on what regions you're considering, with respect to how many families own computers. Not as many people in the rural areas have computers, but that's offset by them being very prevalent in the cities. Of course, the population of just the cities of China are several times the population of the entire United States. But then again, individuals and families aren't the only computer users. Businesses also require PCs, and operating systems to run on them.
Remember, China is just beginning its growth as a modern country. It's perhaps where the US was in the mid 1800s. It's transitioning from basically a slave-based economy towards a true enterprise economy. It'll be a mature market before you, the US and the EU know it.
For the sake of respectable discussion here at Slashdot, please put an end to all of your ad hominem attacks, Barry. There are people here, myself included, who wish to partake in mature, intelligent conversation. We cannot do that as efficiently if there are others running around throwing out childing insults in each of their posts.
The Chinese market will be the decisive battle ground between Linux and Windows. Indeed, whoever manages to become the leader in that market will soon become the world leader. Why is that? Because the Chinese market has the potential to completely dwarf both the American and European markets. Once the Chinese market has matured, investors will think of American and the EU as they today think of Luxembourg and Jamaica.
But it may be a more general problem with American society. Americans, it would seem, tend to buy into such outlandish myths, and then use their belief in those myths to harm others. Christianity is a big one. Then there's also the belief of many that Iraq was involved with the manufacturing of various weaponry, when that obviously wasn't the case. Look how many lives have been lost or ruined because Americans were so gullible.
It probably wouldn't be that big of a deal if so many Americans (not all, of course) didn't take that sort of nonsense seriously. Perhaps I'm incorrect to label them as "Americans". I think a better term may be "Republicans" and "Democrats", and those who buy into that mythical system of two rival political parties.
That could be because they're both Indian. Indeed, in the Indian culture it is often the custom to share accolades, especially when work is done jointly. Many don't have the profit-driven mindset (greed?) of Americans, for instance. They're not as interested in their own personal wealth or reputation as they are in the benefit they could bring to their family and friends, if not society as a whole.
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No, they are not engineers by any means. Yeah, they build simple equipment for their experiments, but they're not engineers. They rarely focus on building systems that must work for years on end, for instance. They build, but they do not truly engineer.
Indeed, I see you have resorted to ad hominem attacks. I take that as an indication of my victory in this discussion.
Hi, Cyric!
Not only that, but consider the portion that says 'The Windows community is a universe of uniformity [...] and standard graphical utilities.'
Indeed, we are seeing that that is not the case. Microsoft has gone out of their way to drastically alter their GUI, such that it looks nothing like the XP GUI, and thus nothing like the older GUI before that. Hardly a show of uniformity, if I do say so myself.
Has any project been started to provide an open source clone, similar to what the Mono Project has done with .NET?
The Linux systems that run in 2 MB of RAM are hardly "Linux" systems. Some code is borrowed, but the experience is totally different. They're not suitable for any serious workstation tasks, like Tanenbaum is aiming for here.
On the news page it states that 'The port of X Windows is coming along well.'
Which implementation of X is it that is being ported? I would hope that it is X.org, and at least the 6.8.2 release.
I just want to thank you, Andy, for your decades of effort towards advancing the field of computing. Your contributions have been much appreciated. After all, if it were not for Minix we would not have Linux today. Thanks, Andy!
Remember that Americans (as in those born and educated in America) weren't responsible for the space feats of the 1960s. Those were the work of German engineers captured after WWII.
Actually, time and time again we hear about hazing incidents involving athletes, especially American football players. You know, where rookies are forced to strip naked in a dressing room shower, and then have cobs of corn stuck up their rectums by the veteran players.
You don't see that kind of behavior from Dungeons and Dragons players. You might get some insults from them, but never the crude, primal homosexuality often displayed by athletes.
It's like asking, why do football players attend keg parties?
It's not about culture. It's about fucking drunk chicks.
After all programming is about turning thoughts in to something tangible .
What do you think engineering is? What do you think architecture is? What do you think carpentry is? What do you think artistry is? What do you think music is? What do you think making a fucking McDonalds hamburger is? It's turning an idea into reality. Nothing special there.
That's probably because he's a Republican. He completely fails to grasp concepts relating to the real world, but in his own little fantasy world he can do whatever he likes, and thus often succeeds.
Have you tried cutting down on your caffeine intake? Indeed, too much caffeine often makes one nervous, and jittery. Such things can lead to social awkwardness.
Tabletop roleplaying involves coming up with creative solutions to problems set in a clearly-defined ruleset, involve constant data-tracking and minor mathematical equations, and involve working together with small groups of people toward like-minded goals.
That applies just as much to the workers at McDonalds and to farmers as it does to basically any other job that requires an ounce of skill. Before the 1960s such tasks were often called "common capabilities". That is, they were the basic tasks that pretty much anyone and everyone was expected to be able to do. It's only now, with declining education systems in many western nations, that we consider mastery of such menial tasks to be an accomplishment.
I like when your wife dresses up as the garbage man and then she takes out my trash with a whip.
I read the PDF, but it still doesn't outline what exactly the problem was, even if it was most likely a software bug. Was it an incorrectly written strftime-style routine? Was it a non-library problem manipulating the dates? Did the compiler emit incorrect code? Was the data being stored incorrectly in the database? Was the database a lossy database, losing or unknowingly modified data?
Can anyone provide more technical information regarding this flaw? What sort of hardware were these systems running on? What operating system(s)? Who wrote the software itself, what language was it written in, and what was the exact cause of the flaw? Was it a database flaw? If so, which database product was it?
Indeed, we need more technical details.
What's to say that Linux won't take over in all those areas that you mentioned? You're assuming incorrectly that it can only "win" in one area. That's far from the truth. It could easily become dominant on all sorts of devices, for all sorts of applications, in China.
Indeed, India will also be an important battleground. However, China is far more coherent as a whole than India. India is a big locomotive, but it's not fully up to speed yet. China is just as big, and it's going far faster.
America and the EU are far too large and skill & resource-rich by comparison.
That's what Europeans said about America a couple hundred years ago. And witness how the economy of America overtook that of Europe for many decades. It happened once, and it may very well happen again. The upstart will overtake the existing economies.
It's not that easy. They'd still have to find a way to maintain backwards compatibility with existing Windows applications. And that's not necessarily very easy to do over a system like Linux, as shown by the Wine project. Sure, some apps work, but it's nothing like real Windows. Often times it is more unstable than Windows, and that is unfortunate.
While they may be able to reduce their development costs on the software underlying the GUI, they'd immediately lose such benefits because they'd need to reimplement much of that functionality over the Linux (or BSD, etc.) kernel.
It depends on what regions you're considering, with respect to how many families own computers. Not as many people in the rural areas have computers, but that's offset by them being very prevalent in the cities. Of course, the population of just the cities of China are several times the population of the entire United States. But then again, individuals and families aren't the only computer users. Businesses also require PCs, and operating systems to run on them.
Remember, China is just beginning its growth as a modern country. It's perhaps where the US was in the mid 1800s. It's transitioning from basically a slave-based economy towards a true enterprise economy. It'll be a mature market before you, the US and the EU know it.
For the sake of respectable discussion here at Slashdot, please put an end to all of your ad hominem attacks, Barry. There are people here, myself included, who wish to partake in mature, intelligent conversation. We cannot do that as efficiently if there are others running around throwing out childing insults in each of their posts.
Well, I am impotent, you know. I am deeply interested in anything that helps me with my disability.
The Chinese market will be the decisive battle ground between Linux and Windows. Indeed, whoever manages to become the leader in that market will soon become the world leader. Why is that? Because the Chinese market has the potential to completely dwarf both the American and European markets. Once the Chinese market has matured, investors will think of American and the EU as they today think of Luxembourg and Jamaica.
But it may be a more general problem with American society. Americans, it would seem, tend to buy into such outlandish myths, and then use their belief in those myths to harm others. Christianity is a big one. Then there's also the belief of many that Iraq was involved with the manufacturing of various weaponry, when that obviously wasn't the case. Look how many lives have been lost or ruined because Americans were so gullible.
It probably wouldn't be that big of a deal if so many Americans (not all, of course) didn't take that sort of nonsense seriously. Perhaps I'm incorrect to label them as "Americans". I think a better term may be "Republicans" and "Democrats", and those who buy into that mythical system of two rival political parties.
That could be because they're both Indian. Indeed, in the Indian culture it is often the custom to share accolades, especially when work is done jointly. Many don't have the profit-driven mindset (greed?) of Americans, for instance. They're not as interested in their own personal wealth or reputation as they are in the benefit they could bring to their family and friends, if not society as a whole.