No, that was not sarcasm. It's cock trollery at its worst. Intentionally misrepresenting, if not outright lying, about IBM's product lines is not sarcasm in any way. Zealotism: yes. Trolling: yes. Cock trollery: yes. Fundamentalism: yes. Sarcasm: no.
The past few weeks have been fantastic for PC operating system developments. Between the new Fedora release, this, the release of open source Solaris, the release of FreeBSD 5.4, Mac OS X on Intel machines, and the upcoming release of BeOS, things have really been happening at an amazing pace. We are truly coming up to a time of great innovation and change in the PC desktop/workstation landscape.
"OS/2 and AIX might only be a small portion of IBM's product line, but they're 100% of IBM's OS product line."
I hesitate to reply to such an obvious troll. Anyways, I suppose AiX and OS/2 are 100% of IBM's operating systems when you intentionally go out of your way to ignore IBM's other operating systems such as z/OS, PC-DOS, K42, OS/390, z/VM, DOS/VSE, SVS, MVT, and so on.
Indeed, I share the same feelings. That's not to suggest that Linux is an incapable system or anything of that sort; of course it is not. But AiX has a maturity and inherent reliability that is second to none.
"Yeah, commercial companies have to go full-on to prove they're OSS friendly...none of this half-ass crap!"
I hope you're aware that AiX and OS/2 are a very small portion of IBM's entire software product line. Indeed, they would be the most wise products to open source. They would offer users the ability to test and gain experience using such systems. If they experiences are good, then perhaps such people would further recommend the use of such systems in enterprise settings. This in turn may garner support for IBM's other products. And such products may require support, especially in enterprise settings. Considering that IBM is a service-oriented company, that will bode well for them.
And then there is the reputation gain. That alone may very well exceed the costs to initially release the source to said products.
So please, save your rhetoric and blatant misrepresentations for elsewhere. Please try to think of the big picture before you post again. Thanks.
Re:Do they or do they not have the source legally?
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Indeed, BeOS was quite a multimedia platform back in the day. But you are correct, that was nearly a decade ago. Both Windows and Mac OS X do now offer very high-end multimedia capabilities. We'll just have to wait and see how Zeta is able to compete with them.
They could show their true dedication to open source by releasing the code behind OS/2 and AiX. While it will of course take time, effort and money on the part of both developers and lawyers, it would be an excellent show of good-faith towards the open source community. After all, if Sun can do it with Solaris, then IBM can surely do it with AiX and OS/2.
I agree. But that's only because Sun has only recently been pushing Solaris for wider use. Go back to 1982 and most people will think that "Windows" are the things in their house that they look out of, and open for a breath of fresh air.
I'm talking about Solaris running on x86-based PC desktops. Desktops (formerly?) encumbered by Microsoft's Windows monopoly. I'm not talking about Sun SPARC workstations that Windows never ran on.
Just knowing HTML and CSS does not result in web pages that are easy to use and accessible. That is something that can't be learned directly from a book. It takes a certain intuition to be able to design web pages that truly perform.
Anyways, does this book cover XHTML at all? And what about CSS 2.0? I get the feeling from this review that this book is somewhat outdated, and does not cover such topics. I hope I am wrong in such assumptions.
Blogs have proven to be a very effective tool in the fight against tyranny, not only in America but in many other nations (such as China, Mozambique, Indonesia and Burma). Indeed, it has been said by many economists that had it not been for blogs, then the open-market blitz experienced in China over the past few years would never have occurred. Blogs can unite and coordinate the ordinary citizenry like no other tool, and that is why they have been so helpful at fighting back against tyrannical government structures.
I can see the downfall of many political blogs. Soon enough we will see politicians paying for the creation of blogs that support their cause. Of course they will look like a "grassroots" effort, even though they'll be funded by the Big Business connections of said politicians.
Instead of the citizens of the US lobbying politicians, it will be the politicians lobbying the citizenry through such shammery as the aforementioned types of blogs.
Now, I predict that many will not fall for such a scam, and will stop reading political blogs. That will be the downfall of many legitimate political blogs, unfortunately. Without the hits they won't be able to generate the revenue necessary for their survival.
I believe we are seeing the monopoly finally begin smashed to pieces. Besides the Linux and *BSD alternatives, we now have open-source x86 Solaris at our disposal, as well as the upcoming release of yellowTAB Zeta (based on BeOS). And with Mac OS X coming to the x86, things may really start to get interested. Just as people thought the x86 PC operating system market would start to stagnate, we have all sorts of innovation coming our way!
Sorry, were you trying to be funny? BeOS was ported to the x86 over a decade ago.
Could we have some links?
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That is very interesting, indeed! Could you please provide us to links of some such discussion from people in the know? You have seriously put the legitimacy of this product into question.
So you have seen the BeOS source code?
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I know, I downloaded from a BeSharer the tarball, uncompressed it and indeed had the sources. Kernel sources (partials), stuff like malloc and such. Seriously, the BeOS core code was last dated 1992-93, not kidding. A LOT of the core of the BeOS was and such still is in the form of Zeta/Beta, 12-13 years old. - OSXexpert
So you do admit to having seen these illegally redistributed sources, correct? What effect will this have on other software you have written and released? Have you been tainted by viewing such illegitimate source code?
Re:Long time BeOS expert...
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"... Bernd/YT don't have rights to the source, they have hacked binaries to make it look as if they have done compiles,..."
Do you have any substancial proof to back up these claims?
Re:Reasons why you should care:
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Well, cheeko, let's see how it's an alternative to Windows:
1. It is a desktop operating system. 2. It runs on x86-based PCs. 3. It offers web browsers, email clients, news clients, games, office suites, and numerous other software associated with desktop operating systems. 4. It has very rich multimedia capabilites.
And that's just a small sampling of how it is an alternative to Windows.
I remember there being a lot of discussion regarding Blender's user interface. The main complaint was that it was very non-standard, and not very intuitive. While such an interface may be very useful and efficient for somebody intimate with Blender, it was widely said that it was difficult for those who casually want to use it. That said, has any work been done on an alternative user interface, one that may not be as powerful, but instead is more friendly towards new users and the casual/amateur user?
Re:Resolved: NeXTStep was More Advanced than BeOS.
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No, I'm serious. Your joke was a riot. It captured the irony and the infallibility of the situation all at the same time. I'm not kidding; I laughed. Literally.
Re:Do they or do they not have the source legally?
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Hiring somebody to modify the code can cost far more than the alternative proprietary product.
Reasons why you should care:
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1. It's an alternative to Windows.
2. It brings extreme multimedia capabilities to the x86-based PC.
3. It features a heavily multithreaded microkernel and GUI that will inherently benefit from multicore and hyperthreading CPUs.
4. It provides a POSIX layer that allows UNIX, Linux and *BSD applications to be ported with ease.
And that's just a small sampling of the many reasons why you should care.
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No, that was not sarcasm. It's cock trollery at its worst. Intentionally misrepresenting, if not outright lying, about IBM's product lines is not sarcasm in any way. Zealotism: yes. Trolling: yes. Cock trollery: yes. Fundamentalism: yes. Sarcasm: no.
The past few weeks have been fantastic for PC operating system developments. Between the new Fedora release, this, the release of open source Solaris, the release of FreeBSD 5.4, Mac OS X on Intel machines, and the upcoming release of BeOS, things have really been happening at an amazing pace. We are truly coming up to a time of great innovation and change in the PC desktop/workstation landscape.
"OS/2 and AIX might only be a small portion of IBM's product line, but they're 100% of IBM's OS product line."
I hesitate to reply to such an obvious troll. Anyways, I suppose AiX and OS/2 are 100% of IBM's operating systems when you intentionally go out of your way to ignore IBM's other operating systems such as z/OS, PC-DOS, K42, OS/390, z/VM, DOS/VSE, SVS, MVT, and so on.
Indeed, I share the same feelings. That's not to suggest that Linux is an incapable system or anything of that sort; of course it is not. But AiX has a maturity and inherent reliability that is second to none.
"Yeah, commercial companies have to go full-on to prove they're OSS friendly...none of this half-ass crap!"
I hope you're aware that AiX and OS/2 are a very small portion of IBM's entire software product line. Indeed, they would be the most wise products to open source. They would offer users the ability to test and gain experience using such systems. If they experiences are good, then perhaps such people would further recommend the use of such systems in enterprise settings. This in turn may garner support for IBM's other products. And such products may require support, especially in enterprise settings. Considering that IBM is a service-oriented company, that will bode well for them.
And then there is the reputation gain. That alone may very well exceed the costs to initially release the source to said products.
So please, save your rhetoric and blatant misrepresentations for elsewhere. Please try to think of the big picture before you post again. Thanks.
Indeed, BeOS was quite a multimedia platform back in the day. But you are correct, that was nearly a decade ago. Both Windows and Mac OS X do now offer very high-end multimedia capabilities. We'll just have to wait and see how Zeta is able to compete with them.
They could show their true dedication to open source by releasing the code behind OS/2 and AiX. While it will of course take time, effort and money on the part of both developers and lawyers, it would be an excellent show of good-faith towards the open source community. After all, if Sun can do it with Solaris, then IBM can surely do it with AiX and OS/2.
I agree. But that's only because Sun has only recently been pushing Solaris for wider use. Go back to 1982 and most people will think that "Windows" are the things in their house that they look out of, and open for a breath of fresh air.
I'm talking about Solaris running on x86-based PC desktops. Desktops (formerly?) encumbered by Microsoft's Windows monopoly. I'm not talking about Sun SPARC workstations that Windows never ran on.
Just knowing HTML and CSS does not result in web pages that are easy to use and accessible. That is something that can't be learned directly from a book. It takes a certain intuition to be able to design web pages that truly perform.
Anyways, does this book cover XHTML at all? And what about CSS 2.0? I get the feeling from this review that this book is somewhat outdated, and does not cover such topics. I hope I am wrong in such assumptions.
Blogs have proven to be a very effective tool in the fight against tyranny, not only in America but in many other nations (such as China, Mozambique, Indonesia and Burma). Indeed, it has been said by many economists that had it not been for blogs, then the open-market blitz experienced in China over the past few years would never have occurred. Blogs can unite and coordinate the ordinary citizenry like no other tool, and that is why they have been so helpful at fighting back against tyrannical government structures.
I can see the downfall of many political blogs. Soon enough we will see politicians paying for the creation of blogs that support their cause. Of course they will look like a "grassroots" effort, even though they'll be funded by the Big Business connections of said politicians.
Instead of the citizens of the US lobbying politicians, it will be the politicians lobbying the citizenry through such shammery as the aforementioned types of blogs.
Now, I predict that many will not fall for such a scam, and will stop reading political blogs. That will be the downfall of many legitimate political blogs, unfortunately. Without the hits they won't be able to generate the revenue necessary for their survival.
Blogs will come, and blogs will go. But as an overall media, they will always be with us as long as the Internet is around.
I believe we are seeing the monopoly finally begin smashed to pieces. Besides the Linux and *BSD alternatives, we now have open-source x86 Solaris at our disposal, as well as the upcoming release of yellowTAB Zeta (based on BeOS). And with Mac OS X coming to the x86, things may really start to get interested. Just as people thought the x86 PC operating system market would start to stagnate, we have all sorts of innovation coming our way!
It really isn't a new OS. It is based on the decade-plus old BeOS.
And yes, there are applications for it. See bebits.com for applications.
Any time. It's good to know there are people like you around here, too.
Sorry, were you trying to be funny? BeOS was ported to the x86 over a decade ago.
That is very interesting, indeed! Could you please provide us to links of some such discussion from people in the know? You have seriously put the legitimacy of this product into question.
I know, I downloaded from a BeSharer the tarball, uncompressed it and indeed had the sources. Kernel sources (partials), stuff like malloc and such. Seriously, the BeOS core code was last dated 1992-93, not kidding. A LOT of the core of the BeOS was and such still is in the form of Zeta/Beta, 12-13 years old. - OSXexpert
So you do admit to having seen these illegally redistributed sources, correct? What effect will this have on other software you have written and released? Have you been tainted by viewing such illegitimate source code?
"... Bernd/YT don't have rights to the source, they have hacked binaries to make it look as if they have done compiles, ..."
Do you have any substancial proof to back up these claims?
Well, cheeko, let's see how it's an alternative to Windows:
1. It is a desktop operating system.
2. It runs on x86-based PCs.
3. It offers web browsers, email clients, news clients, games, office suites, and numerous other software associated with desktop operating systems.
4. It has very rich multimedia capabilites.
And that's just a small sampling of how it is an alternative to Windows.
I remember there being a lot of discussion regarding Blender's user interface. The main complaint was that it was very non-standard, and not very intuitive. While such an interface may be very useful and efficient for somebody intimate with Blender, it was widely said that it was difficult for those who casually want to use it. That said, has any work been done on an alternative user interface, one that may not be as powerful, but instead is more friendly towards new users and the casual/amateur user?
No, I'm serious. Your joke was a riot. It captured the irony and the infallibility of the situation all at the same time. I'm not kidding; I laughed. Literally.
Hiring somebody to modify the code can cost far more than the alternative proprietary product.
1. It's an alternative to Windows. 2. It brings extreme multimedia capabilities to the x86-based PC. 3. It features a heavily multithreaded microkernel and GUI that will inherently benefit from multicore and hyperthreading CPUs. 4. It provides a POSIX layer that allows UNIX, Linux and *BSD applications to be ported with ease. And that's just a small sampling of the many reasons why you should care.