Actually, your statement is incorrect. What is correct is that all program execution in physical reality halts eventually. That is something else.
The difference is pretty much the one between theory and practice. You know, in theory, theory and practice are the same. An engineer understands that in practice they are not and that practical systems are complex enough and the theories may be incomplete, inaccurate or otherwise faulty enough, that the unexpected in theory does actually happen in practice.
It is. But you can make dumb, pattern-based systems that hide some of the obvious screw-ups of the incompetent (and thereby make these people more dangerous) and at the same time make the competent less productive, because they now have to conform to brain-dead rules. Sounds very much like this is what this system is doing.
Indeed. I really don't understand why people keep expecting intelligence in machines. There is zero indication it can be done. The problem is still present with dumb automation, that can do maybe 95% of a human job (for example), because that means 95 of 100 people lose their jobs permanently. We do not have to go to worker-less industries to lose most jobs.
There will not be any "super intelligent systems" anytime soon and possibly not ever. However, the majority of the human race struggles to be competitive with advanced (but utterly dumb) automation, also because automation these days is very, very fast.
Indeed. There are far too many bad coders. There may actually be enough good coders to keep things running already, but they are swamped with cleaning up behind the bad ones. This is also not a new thing: https://blog.codinghorror.com/... The last thing we need is more bad coders that create more problems.
Now, I am only somewhat complaining, because this keeps me occupied and well paid, but if I have to explain to one more senior web developer ( >5 years experience) how an URL is structured, I am going to scream.
Well, I did an engineering PhD and I have kept current on AI for something like 30 years now. In actual reality, AI being able to do that is getting farther away. Realistically, "most certainly not in the next 50 years" (the answer a senior engineer in the Watson team gave me recently) is a lower bound. It may well be centuries away or not happening at all. It is also not true/strong AI that is threatening these jobs. It is dumb automation that could not empty a bucket of water unless specifically programmed to do so. However, as it turns out, large parts of many human jobs do not actually need intelligence and that is quite enough. That is, for example, Amazon doing away with 90 human workers, and retaining 10 (low paid ones) that do what the robots cannot do and fix the occasional screw-up by a robot. Add two human engineers to keep the robots running, and that is still 88 jobs lost permanently and only 2 upgraded from low to high pay.
Hahahaha, "NoOPS", hahahaha! Nice one. In other news, companies actually dependent on the IT are more and more in need of having people that really get it (and are expensive) on staff or as long-term available external staff, because outsourcing does not cut it.
That said, getting rid of "dead weight" employees is not directly a problem and I did not claim it is. Bit unless you want cities burning in your country, people have to eat and have to have meaning in their lives.
They will not. These jobs are gone. And the ones doing them cannot "retrain" upwards or they would not have been doping these bad jobs in the first place.
Having AI doing coding is completely infeasible at this time, and not even on the distant horizon. It is unclear whether it will ever work and it is quite possible that it will not. However, there is no large need for coders. In fact, there are already far too many coders and most of them are bad. Remove the bad ones and the good ones do not get bogged down in fixing their mistakes and can easily do all coding that is needed. And that will happen sooner or later.
Not that I am complaining. This process is better for (almost) everybody. But it shows how it goes with automation: A few hundred jobs lost, a few highly qualified gained. That is basically how this will work in most places. And the jobs are gone and are not coming back in some other form.
I basically log into WoW to meet people I know there. I also have no problems finding enough time for work and other personal interests besides gaming. Yet I log into WoW almost every day. Am I doing this "addiction" thing wrong?
I forgot it was unusable and was surprised again every time. This must either mean I do not have that addiction or I have a memory disorder in addition.
The level of stupidity expressed in this is staggering. I mean it is not only the fact that somebody with the least bit of clue would never email secret keys without protection, it also is that he could get them in the first place and do this. This means that DigiCert is completely compromised itself due to non-existing or easily bypassed security policies and should under no circumstances be trusted again.
...until it is too late. Of course their statements are completely disconnected from reality and pure propaganda lies.
I mean it is right there in their statement: "Many tasks will get easier". Result: Less people needed to do them and less pay for those that do them, as they are easier. Of course, the most stupid thing you can do with a threat like this is to pretend it is not there. And they are doing exactly that.
I don't think they have that option. They are not militaristic enough. Of course, with all the US Dollars and things in the US they own, they may become an economic Fascist Superpower. That would be pretty interesting from a historical point-of-view as it would be a first.
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Actually, your statement is incorrect. What is correct is that all program execution in physical reality halts eventually. That is something else.
The difference is pretty much the one between theory and practice. You know, in theory, theory and practice are the same. An engineer understands that in practice they are not and that practical systems are complex enough and the theories may be incomplete, inaccurate or otherwise faulty enough, that the unexpected in theory does actually happen in practice.
It is. But you can make dumb, pattern-based systems that hide some of the obvious screw-ups of the incompetent (and thereby make these people more dangerous) and at the same time make the competent less productive, because they now have to conform to brain-dead rules. Sounds very much like this is what this system is doing.
Indeed. I am pretty sure we cannot. And this may be a "cannot, ever". Also the cat in question is pretty dumb.
Indeed. I really don't understand why people keep expecting intelligence in machines. There is zero indication it can be done. The problem is still present with dumb automation, that can do maybe 95% of a human job (for example), because that means 95 of 100 people lose their jobs permanently. We do not have to go to worker-less industries to lose most jobs.
There will not be any "super intelligent systems" anytime soon and possibly not ever. However, the majority of the human race struggles to be competitive with advanced (but utterly dumb) automation, also because automation these days is very, very fast.
Indeed. There are far too many bad coders. There may actually be enough good coders to keep things running already, but they are swamped with cleaning up behind the bad ones. This is also not a new thing: https://blog.codinghorror.com/...
The last thing we need is more bad coders that create more problems.
Now, I am only somewhat complaining, because this keeps me occupied and well paid, but if I have to explain to one more senior web developer ( >5 years experience) how an URL is structured, I am going to scream.
Well, I did an engineering PhD and I have kept current on AI for something like 30 years now. In actual reality, AI being able to do that is getting farther away. Realistically, "most certainly not in the next 50 years" (the answer a senior engineer in the Watson team gave me recently) is a lower bound. It may well be centuries away or not happening at all. It is also not true/strong AI that is threatening these jobs. It is dumb automation that could not empty a bucket of water unless specifically programmed to do so. However, as it turns out, large parts of many human jobs do not actually need intelligence and that is quite enough. That is, for example, Amazon doing away with 90 human workers, and retaining 10 (low paid ones) that do what the robots cannot do and fix the occasional screw-up by a robot. Add two human engineers to keep the robots running, and that is still 88 jobs lost permanently and only 2 upgraded from low to high pay.
Very true. I also think a lot of that "there will be new jobs" is people that are likely to get hit putting their heads in the sand.
Now, I am nowhere saying this is a good development. But it is an inevitable development.
Hahahaha, "NoOPS", hahahaha! Nice one. In other news, companies actually dependent on the IT are more and more in need of having people that really get it (and are expensive) on staff or as long-term available external staff, because outsourcing does not cut it.
That said, getting rid of "dead weight" employees is not directly a problem and I did not claim it is. Bit unless you want cities burning in your country, people have to eat and have to have meaning in their lives.
Hehehehe, possibly.
They will not. These jobs are gone. And the ones doing them cannot "retrain" upwards or they would not have been doping these bad jobs in the first place.
History is not a reliable predictor. At some point there comes a game-changer along (hint: "computer") and historical precedent becomes worthless.
Having AI doing coding is completely infeasible at this time, and not even on the distant horizon. It is unclear whether it will ever work and it is quite possible that it will not. However, there is no large need for coders. In fact, there are already far too many coders and most of them are bad. Remove the bad ones and the good ones do not get bogged down in fixing their mistakes and can easily do all coding that is needed. And that will happen sooner or later.
Not that I am complaining. This process is better for (almost) everybody. But it shows how it goes with automation: A few hundred jobs lost, a few highly qualified gained. That is basically how this will work in most places. And the jobs are gone and are not coming back in some other form.
Ah, sorry. Thanks for the correction. Then my statement applies to Trustco.
Damn, another failure. Here I though I finally managed to be in the mainstream...
I basically log into WoW to meet people I know there. I also have no problems finding enough time for work and other personal interests besides gaming. Yet I log into WoW almost every day. Am I doing this "addiction" thing wrong?
I forgot it was unusable and was surprised again every time. This must either mean I do not have that addiction or I have a memory disorder in addition.
That is when you suck at gaming, right? Anything else would not make much sense, because otherwise a lot of the human race would have a "TV disorder".
If you are blind enough to not see it, then no amount of explanation or proof will fix that. Because it is extremely obvious.
The level of stupidity expressed in this is staggering. I mean it is not only the fact that somebody with the least bit of clue would never email secret keys without protection, it also is that he could get them in the first place and do this. This means that DigiCert is completely compromised itself due to non-existing or easily bypassed security policies and should under no circumstances be trusted again.
And that is just it: There is strong reason to believe that history is not an useful indicator this time.
...until it is too late. Of course their statements are completely disconnected from reality and pure propaganda lies.
I mean it is right there in their statement: "Many tasks will get easier". Result: Less people needed to do them and less pay for those that do them, as they are easier.
Of course, the most stupid thing you can do with a threat like this is to pretend it is not there. And they are doing exactly that.
I don't think they have that option. They are not militaristic enough. Of course, with all the US Dollars and things in the US they own, they may become an economic Fascist Superpower. That would be pretty interesting from a historical point-of-view as it would be a first.
Ah well. Interesting times.
+1 Funny. Sorry, no mod points today, but this is utterly hilarious.