You remind me of a former mother-in-law. She'd run off at the mouth, bashing those Bravo reality TV shows because they're such an easy target, but when someone would ask what kind of TV shows *she* liked she would hide behind a lame joke because she was afraid to be mocked.
Just round all prices to the nearest quarter and be done with it.
ARE YOU CRAZY that would mean Flappy Birds and FartNoiseMaker apps would cost $1 instead of $0.99. That's a psychological barrier most people are not ready to cross. You sir are talking about destroying app stores.
Here's an easy way to make money with Canadian pennies.
1) Go to a vending machine 2) Put in $1 in pennies 3) Immediately press the change button 4) Take the US coins and run before the Secret Service catch you
Do that two million times and you're a millionaire!
Linux is mostly contributed to by corporate entities, so solutions to their problems tend to get fixed first.
Of course. Each of the thousands of developers who contributed code first made sure to obtain the latest copy of those corporate entities secret agendas. There's a parameter for that when you run "git clone".
RH Satellite is a duct-taped pile of half-baked modifications vomited on top of old branches of abandoned forks of semi-structured open-source projects. I see no reason why supporting this "product" would prove difficult for RH.
I haven't paid for their support in years and years, but when I did, it was so I could call somebody when something went wrong and get reliable help quickly.
I agree. RH support is amazing. They follow-up on tickets almost instantly and they know their product well. Even on weird or very specialized questions they usually come back with the solution quickly.
A different ORACLE_SID indicates a different instance. It's not because you use the same binaries that you're actually running two databases in the same instance. You can also install 2 instances of SQL Server on the same machine (few people do it since it's useless), and if you use the same version they will share binaries, but with SQL Server each instance can host many databases. Same for MySQL, Postgresql and others. One database engine, one service instance, multiple databases.
What Oracle is bragging about in 12c, it's been there in SQL Server and others for decades. The fact that it's "pluggable" means nothing.
Look at the docs for SQL 2005 (can't find link for older):
The data and transaction log files of a database can be detached and then reattached to the same or another instance of SQL Server. Detaching and attaching a database is useful if you want to change the database to a different instance of SQL Server on the same computer or to move the database.
And now for Oracle 12 (PDB = the database, CDB = the instance):
By design, you can quickly plug a PDB into a CDB, unplug the PDB from the CDB, and then plug this PDB into a different CDB. The implementation technique for plugging and unplugging is similar to the transportable tablespace technique.
The Oracle equivalent of PDW is Exadata, and it's not something I'd put important data into. I remember a few years ago they even had to send an emergency patch because of the data loss, the controller was mistakenly flagging disks as broken and you would kiss data goodbye. You would expect them to test their million-dollar appliance, but apparently it's easier to ship and see what customers complain about.
As for a 2-node RAC, it's nothing much more than two servers sharing a SAN volume. With 2 nodes there's no huge performance gain, all it does is protect you against hardware failure on those 2 machines - which is something you can get on VMWare for a lot less money and less complexity. And RAC it's such a mess to install and configure, it's totally not worth it. Add more nodes? Then quickly you need to bring in Infiniband or similar expensive shit otherwise the performance actually goes down because of the traffic. Total bloat.
First there is no Oracle 12g; it is 12c (the c stands for a cluster). Second database in Oracle means something completely different; then in MSSQL; which you would know if you actually ever used one. Third the feature that actually differentiates Oracle from other databases since the beginning is the multversion read consistency; which allows readers to never be blocked by writers; and banishes any "dirty" reads forever.
The new features in 12c are aimed to make Oracle 12c more of database as a service. Also you have now plugable databases which allows you to move your data around with less pain.
Everything you mention exists in SQL Server, dude. You would know if you actually ever used one. There's snapshot isolation, and you can attach/detach database much more easily than in Oracle, and SQL Server has been working "as a service" since the 90s. Same for MySQL and Postgresql.
In this isolated environment, Oracle pretend to license every socket to any host connected to the V7000, regardless of the cluster that are connected the host.
and a reply:
yes I have heard this from several people and it was also the topic of a workshop on the annual german oracle uer group meeting. For your environment, oracle was even kind. As you can vMotion VMs even without shared storage since vSphere 5.1, they tend to say you have to license every host in your vCenter for their software, even if they are not connected to the same storage. When vMotion will be available across different vCenters I expect Oracle to even says you have to license every single ESXi host you have world wide in any datacenter
This is the same exact situation I've described.
We were in the process of reviewing the ELA and the Oracle reps gave us that info. They said it's even worse when it's iSCSI but as many people in the rooms were already shitting their pants or punching the walls we didn't discuss further the iSCSI part of the license (which didn't apply to us anyways).
I don't know about the RDBMS but I'll never forgive Progress for Sonic ESB. That crapware makes my top 5 list of horrible tech, up there with Groupwise and the terrifying Borland BDE which to this day still gives me the shivers.
Call me when MS SQL supports real active/active clustering.
Technically that already exists in PDW but it usually comes as an appliance that's more expensive than a condo on Times Square.
This being said, the second you set foot in the active/active scenarios on Oracle you're in a world of hurt so I don't know if I would brag about that shit too much.
Let's say you have a SAN volume attached to 10 ESX boxes (basically a VMWare Datastore). Even if you only have 1 VM running Oracle and it's deployed only on one of the 10 ESX machines in a non-vMotion architecture, you have to license all the CPUs of all the machines that use that SAN volume. Even if you have non-hypervisors using that LUN you have to license them.
They essentially make it so expensive to use VMWare that you have to switch to OracleVM or get back to physical boxes. Or buy their fucking cloud license.
And the nightmare doesn't stop there. Let's say you give up and decide to dump your VMWare infrastructure and switch to AWS. Well, your existing ELA no longer works, you're back to square one, and the few rent-by-the-minute Oracle instances models available on AWS are obscenely expensive; even on AWS RDS it's a lot more expensive than SQL Server or Postgresql on similar VM models. They really want you to use the BYOL model, also known as the bend-over model.
Wrong. To have more than one database you had to install multiple server instances. That's not the same thing at all.
Most RDBMS supports 4 levels before getting to the data: database, schema, table, column. Up until that new "multi-tenant" technology in Oracle 12g, there was only 1 database per instance (the database and instance names were basically the same thing) in Oracle, and as far as I know that's the last major RDBMS to get that "feature" (and it's obscenely priced, of course).
The multitenant architecture enables an Oracle database to function as a multitenant container database (CDB). A CDB includes zero, one, or many customer-created pluggable databases (PDBs). A PDB is a portable collection of schemas, schema objects, and nonschema objects that appears to an Oracle Net client as a non-CDB. All Oracle databases before Oracle Database 12c were non-CDBs.
Until this year, Oracle didn't lightly use the "nuclear option" breach notice, Guarente says. "We’ve seen an uptick in aggressive audits and breach notices," he says. "I started this company in late 2011. From that moment until February, I saw no breach notices. Zero. Now we’ve seen several this year."
Oracle 12g now supports multiple databases on the same server instance! Amazing breakthrough in database science, coming just a few years after their latest innovation: case insensitive LIKE.
Of course multiple databases per server instance has been available in SQL Server since the time it was still Sybase and in MySQL since before Y2K. But those are not Enteprise Worthy Databases of course so it doesn't count, and the fact that on SQL Server there's no additional expensive license to enable this feature is all the evidence we need. ORACLE RULES!
I still don't understand why you're shoving your random thoughts into a thread where you don't think the discussion is relevant. And gendering my underpants isn't any more enlightening.
Here's my parting gift to you. Either nobody ever cared enough about you to let you know, or you're just too self-centered to acknowledge critics, but dude, you're not funny. You're obviously smarter than average, but you're not as clever and witty as you think. Odds are that when you walk away from a discussion (online or in real life) feeling like high-fiving yourself, you actually came out lame and smug.
I enjoy an entertaining flame war once in a while but that's just not happening with you.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. My point was that it's absurd to think that someone is making billions with their secret hacking of AWS and Azure, not that someone wouldn't make money if they did hack AWS or Azure.
You can agree or not with that, but saying that the NSA is evil or that AWS is making money doesn't shed any more light on the matter.
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You remind me of a former mother-in-law. She'd run off at the mouth, bashing those Bravo reality TV shows because they're such an easy target, but when someone would ask what kind of TV shows *she* liked she would hide behind a lame joke because she was afraid to be mocked.
Coward.
wishing doesn't pay the bills.
You didn't read "The secret", did you?
Well if Kanye West, Adele, and Taylor Swift are considered to be music it might be time to agree with the Republicans!
Since you're such a sophisticated listener, can you provide a list of what you personally consider to be "music"?
Microsoft tried that on Xbox but the revenue floodgates opened after they switched to real money in 2013.
Gift cards is the closest thing there is to "lubricated buying".
Just round all prices to the nearest quarter and be done with it.
ARE YOU CRAZY that would mean Flappy Birds and FartNoiseMaker apps would cost $1 instead of $0.99. That's a psychological barrier most people are not ready to cross. You sir are talking about destroying app stores.
Here's an easy way to make money with Canadian pennies.
1) Go to a vending machine
2) Put in $1 in pennies
3) Immediately press the change button
4) Take the US coins and run before the Secret Service catch you
Do that two million times and you're a millionaire!
Is this a reference to the show, or to the fact that her husband was slapping her around? (The punch of that joke is that he's suing her for alimony.)
The CPU makes the PC freeze? If they could just crank this bug down a bit it could revolution the server cooling industry.
Linux is mostly contributed to by corporate entities, so solutions to their problems tend to get fixed first.
Of course. Each of the thousands of developers who contributed code first made sure to obtain the latest copy of those corporate entities secret agendas. There's a parameter for that when you run "git clone".
RH Satellite is a duct-taped pile of half-baked modifications vomited on top of old branches of abandoned forks of semi-structured open-source projects. I see no reason why supporting this "product" would prove difficult for RH.
I've had a few SSD drives die on me too, and every time it was OCZ junk. Never had any problem with Intel ones.
I'd rather use a refurbished IBM DeathStar than put anything OCZ in my computers ever again.
I haven't paid for their support in years and years, but when I did, it was so I could call somebody when something went wrong and get reliable help quickly.
I agree. RH support is amazing. They follow-up on tickets almost instantly and they know their product well. Even on weird or very specialized questions they usually come back with the solution quickly.
A different ORACLE_SID indicates a different instance. It's not because you use the same binaries that you're actually running two databases in the same instance. You can also install 2 instances of SQL Server on the same machine (few people do it since it's useless), and if you use the same version they will share binaries, but with SQL Server each instance can host many databases. Same for MySQL, Postgresql and others. One database engine, one service instance, multiple databases.
What Oracle is bragging about in 12c, it's been there in SQL Server and others for decades. The fact that it's "pluggable" means nothing.
Look at the docs for SQL 2005 (can't find link for older):
The data and transaction log files of a database can be detached and then reattached to the same or another instance of SQL Server. Detaching and attaching a database is useful if you want to change the database to a different instance of SQL Server on the same computer or to move the database.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-...
And now for Oracle 12 (PDB = the database, CDB = the instance):
By design, you can quickly plug a PDB into a CDB, unplug the PDB from the CDB, and then plug this PDB into a different CDB. The implementation technique for plugging and unplugging is similar to the transportable tablespace technique.
https://docs.oracle.com/databa...
They just use "plug" instead of "attach/detach" to make it easier for their bullshit marketing people to make it look like innovation.
The Oracle equivalent of PDW is Exadata, and it's not something I'd put important data into. I remember a few years ago they even had to send an emergency patch because of the data loss, the controller was mistakenly flagging disks as broken and you would kiss data goodbye. You would expect them to test their million-dollar appliance, but apparently it's easier to ship and see what customers complain about.
As for a 2-node RAC, it's nothing much more than two servers sharing a SAN volume. With 2 nodes there's no huge performance gain, all it does is protect you against hardware failure on those 2 machines - which is something you can get on VMWare for a lot less money and less complexity. And RAC it's such a mess to install and configure, it's totally not worth it. Add more nodes? Then quickly you need to bring in Infiniband or similar expensive shit otherwise the performance actually goes down because of the traffic. Total bloat.
First there is no Oracle 12g; it is 12c (the c stands for a cluster).
Second database in Oracle means something completely different; then in MSSQL; which you would know if you actually ever used one.
Third the feature that actually differentiates Oracle from other databases since the beginning is the multversion read consistency; which allows readers to never be blocked by writers; and banishes any "dirty" reads forever.
The new features in 12c are aimed to make Oracle 12c more of database as a service.
Also you have now plugable databases which allows you to move your data around with less pain.
Everything you mention exists in SQL Server, dude. You would know if you actually ever used one. There's snapshot isolation, and you can attach/detach database much more easily than in Oracle, and SQL Server has been working "as a service" since the 90s. Same for MySQL and Postgresql.
Get real.
Look at this thread:
https://communities.vmware.com...
The good parts:
In this isolated environment, Oracle pretend to license every socket to any host connected to the V7000, regardless of the cluster that are connected the host.
and a reply:
yes I have heard this from several people and it was also the topic of a workshop on the annual german oracle uer group meeting. For your environment, oracle was even kind. As you can vMotion VMs even without shared storage since vSphere 5.1, they tend to say you have to license every host in your vCenter for their software, even if they are not connected to the same storage. When vMotion will be available across different vCenters I expect Oracle to even says you have to license every single ESXi host you have world wide in any datacenter
This is the same exact situation I've described.
We were in the process of reviewing the ELA and the Oracle reps gave us that info. They said it's even worse when it's iSCSI but as many people in the rooms were already shitting their pants or punching the walls we didn't discuss further the iSCSI part of the license (which didn't apply to us anyways).
I don't know about the RDBMS but I'll never forgive Progress for Sonic ESB. That crapware makes my top 5 list of horrible tech, up there with Groupwise and the terrifying Borland BDE which to this day still gives me the shivers.
Call me when MS SQL supports real active/active clustering.
Technically that already exists in PDW but it usually comes as an appliance that's more expensive than a condo on Times Square.
This being said, the second you set foot in the active/active scenarios on Oracle you're in a world of hurt so I don't know if I would brag about that shit too much.
There's a new provision for shared VM storage.
Let's say you have a SAN volume attached to 10 ESX boxes (basically a VMWare Datastore). Even if you only have 1 VM running Oracle and it's deployed only on one of the 10 ESX machines in a non-vMotion architecture, you have to license all the CPUs of all the machines that use that SAN volume. Even if you have non-hypervisors using that LUN you have to license them.
They essentially make it so expensive to use VMWare that you have to switch to OracleVM or get back to physical boxes. Or buy their fucking cloud license.
And the nightmare doesn't stop there. Let's say you give up and decide to dump your VMWare infrastructure and switch to AWS. Well, your existing ELA no longer works, you're back to square one, and the few rent-by-the-minute Oracle instances models available on AWS are obscenely expensive; even on AWS RDS it's a lot more expensive than SQL Server or Postgresql on similar VM models. They really want you to use the BYOL model, also known as the bend-over model.
Fuck Oracle.
Wrong. To have more than one database you had to install multiple server instances. That's not the same thing at all.
Most RDBMS supports 4 levels before getting to the data: database, schema, table, column. Up until that new "multi-tenant" technology in Oracle 12g, there was only 1 database per instance (the database and instance names were basically the same thing) in Oracle, and as far as I know that's the last major RDBMS to get that "feature" (and it's obscenely priced, of course).
The multitenant architecture enables an Oracle database to function as a multitenant container database (CDB).
A CDB includes zero, one, or many customer-created pluggable databases (PDBs). A PDB is a portable collection of schemas, schema objects, and nonschema objects that appears to an Oracle Net client as a non-CDB. All Oracle databases before Oracle Database 12c were non-CDBs.
https://docs.oracle.com/databa...
No wonder people talk about them...
Until this year, Oracle didn't lightly use the "nuclear option" breach notice, Guarente says.
"We’ve seen an uptick in aggressive audits and breach notices," he says. "I started this company in late 2011. From that moment until February, I saw no breach notices. Zero. Now we’ve seen several this year."
http://www.businessinsider.com...
Also the new licensing rules for using Oracle in non-OracleVM virtual machines are disgusting.
Oracle 12g now supports multiple databases on the same server instance! Amazing breakthrough in database science, coming just a few years after their latest innovation: case insensitive LIKE.
Of course multiple databases per server instance has been available in SQL Server since the time it was still Sybase and in MySQL since before Y2K. But those are not Enteprise Worthy Databases of course so it doesn't count, and the fact that on SQL Server there's no additional expensive license to enable this feature is all the evidence we need. ORACLE RULES!
I still don't understand why you're shoving your random thoughts into a thread where you don't think the discussion is relevant. And gendering my underpants isn't any more enlightening.
Here's my parting gift to you. Either nobody ever cared enough about you to let you know, or you're just too self-centered to acknowledge critics, but dude, you're not funny. You're obviously smarter than average, but you're not as clever and witty as you think. Odds are that when you walk away from a discussion (online or in real life) feeling like high-fiving yourself, you actually came out lame and smug.
I enjoy an entertaining flame war once in a while but that's just not happening with you.
None of this is relevant.
Then why the fuck did you reply to it?
Don't get your panties in a bunch. My point was that it's absurd to think that someone is making billions with their secret hacking of AWS and Azure, not that someone wouldn't make money if they did hack AWS or Azure.
You can agree or not with that, but saying that the NSA is evil or that AWS is making money doesn't shed any more light on the matter.
Here's what you say:
If you look closely at the thread the claim was that it's not worth billions to attempt to hack AWS.
Here's what was said in the thread:
Hacking those systems is worth billions of dollars.
I guess I'm not reading things closely enough.