How would an expedition 9 years BEFORE the blast tell you anything about it?
What kills me is that a 1999 expidition is just now being published? WTF have they been doing all these years? How slow are they typing? Did they get a monk to transcribe it for them?
When we're all poor as fuck because of the huge increase in costs and living in a box under a bridge, that will really curtail the emissions, eh? Great plan. Using the phrase "with any luck" always turns out they way they expect....right? Social Security anyone? Welfare? WIC? Workers Comp?
There is no reason why the market can't be allowed to come up with it's own solution. Force feeding some bullshit 10% reduction in 12 year plan down our throats isn't the way. Although, with the flight of people from NYS, the reduction may be reachable because of the drastically fewer households needing power. The only ones left will be assholes in NYC and illegals picking apples and milking cows.
Wouldn't it be cooler to build it with authentic to the era parts and pieces? It would be like a scavenger hunt meets science class. Sadly, it's beyond me and my capabilites.
I do have a line on a bunch of old vaccum tubes that have been in storage for years....
One thing to keep in mind when arguing with a nerd.
They have alot of free time on their hands to research details and facts since they don't interact with the rest of the world. And they're probably smarter than you.
Whether you're on a podium asking rhetorical questions, or whether you're standing in the middle of the street of a square, standing in the way of a Chinese government tank, you're still wrong
Not necessarily. If the cops walked up and tasered him at the mic, I would be right there with you. In this instance, the student was clearly seeking attention and made things ten times worse.
He could have walked out and complained to the University, but he chose to jump around like a lunatic and disrupt things. Even Kerry in his statement said he barged his way to the mic.
The cops do things wrong from time to time like everyone else, I just don't think this was one of those times.
Why don't you give this a read and tell me what you think.
The official in charge said enough, so that's enough. They were at the end, he was rambling and making statements instead of asking a direct question, they gave him additional time and still he rambled. Eventually, he ran out of time. He escalated the issue by resisting. The cops were on his ass from the beginning because he rushed the mic after hearing they were cutting off questions, and by God he wanted to get his in.
This wasn't a performance on a street corner. This was an event in a controlled setting with rules. They didn't touch him because of what he said but rather because of how he acted.
Just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you have the right to be heard. There is no right to a forum for your opinion. UF isn't required to allow you to speak as long as you want.
So, clearly your comment that the cops didn't listen to Kerry shows you did not understand the comment put forth.
Are you stupid or just slow?
My initial comment was that he wasn't in charge, he was invited but the UNIVERSITY is in charge. The cops didn't listen to Kerry BECAUSE HE HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THEM.
Jesus Christ, I can't believe that is so hard to fathom on your end. He can say stay, he can say go....he wasn't the one giving orders. Did it look like the cops were looking to Kerry for instructions? It didn't to me. Kerry could have said anything he wanted to at that point, it was too late, the die had been cast.
I never said the guy should have to know who paid the cops...it doesn't really matter. The fact is, they tried to enforce a lawful order and the douche bag decided to resist....game over.
To try and equate someone yelling FIRE to Kerry saying "It's OK, I'll answer his question" is silly and a failing in logic.
I watched it again and I didn't see or hear anything about his time being at an end so I'm going on what the news reports are saying.
But, you can't say that the question was unwelcome/unapproved, etc. I don't know.
I did see the jackass try to have it both ways. He resists, then he throws his arms up and acts suprised. Then he struggles more, then he acts surprised. He struggles more and gets thrown to the ground. Then he says he's ready to walk out. He had quite a few chances to walk out, and he decided to be an ass hat.
The tasering was quite short, he's a drama queen and he knows cameras are rolling.
And they didn't listen to them, did they? So I guess he didn't carry any weight.
To his credit, he was trying to keep the situation from getting out of control. The kid was a drama queen and was hoping for it to get out of control. That's why he was screaming like a woman....to draw attention to himself and the situation HE created.
Sure they do....after they're in cuffs which he wasn't. Watch Cops sometime and tell me how many are frisked while not in cuffs AND are resisting?
I'll save you the trouble and tell you....none.
The SOP (standard operating procedure)is to get control of the situation. The cops didn't have control so they're not going to do anything at that point other than get control.
OK, I think we're pretty close then with our opinions. I'd be right there with you if they decided his question was off base a la Stuttering John or something like that.
I thought the reason they put hands on him was his time had ended, he asked another question which Kerry said he'd answer and then they were going to escort him from the mike. At that point, he escalated the issue.
I think we just disagree over which point he should have been removed, am I right?
Don't be ridiculous. He asked his questions, his time ran out and he continued. They gave him a bit more time, and he persisted. Then, they sought to remove him so the forum could progress. He decided to be a drama queen and resist.
If I was the one arranging things like this, I would indicate the course of action and the penalties for disobidience. However, I wasn't in charge of this so I guess you'll just have to wait until they call me:-)
Bottom line, don't resist when given a lawful order and have been warned over and over. You're not allowed to cry and snivel about what you knew was coming.
Well, actually because he was violating the rules set forth.
Freedom of speech is not the Right to be Heard. He can go to the local park, street corner, his own front yard, where ever and feel free to babble on at length. He does not have the right to be heard. There is no right to hijack a forum so his comments can be heard.
That's insane. They were trying to remove him and he resisted. You think he's going to stand still for a frisking? Once he starts resisting, the time for niceties has passed. Now he's a potential threat.
Note the word Potential. You think they would have reacted differently if they thought he had a gun? I do.
When he's asked to leave the mike after asking numerous questions and having his time run out, he was resisting, was he not? At that point, he starts to look more like a threat. Pushing for no reason? Did his time not run out and he was asked to leave? Did he not start to resist? Would you call that being pushed around for no reason?
I would agree with you if the cops started harrassing people in the crowd for no reason. Did you see the cops grab anyone standing there doing nothing?
Neither did I.
So I guess your argument is not really valid, is it?
No, they're supposed to wait until there is a clear and present danger of someone getting hurt. A man who has shown no signs of intent to violence and who is already restrained on the floor, is not a threat.
Was he or was he not resisting? If he wasn't resisting, he wouldn't have been on the ground. DO you think they tasered him just for the fun of it? To show off? If so, then why didn't they taser him once the cuffs were on?
No, you assume the cops are supposed to know somehow he's a journalism student and poses no threat. Are the cops supposed to wait until someone gets hurt? What if you were attending the event and were standing in the crowd near them. What if the guy got violent and you ended up getting hurt becuase of it? Would you have the same view? The cops are trying to maintain order and gave him a lawful order to follow. He was given plenty of chances to avoid the taser, he chose not to comply. Tough shit for him. Taser him into compliance.
The facts are, he created a disturbance (not up to mine or your interpritation, but the orgianizers), he was asked to relinquish the floor and he refused. When he was asked to leave, he resisted. At that point, he was repeatedly warned. He continued to resist so he was tasered.
Numerous times, he had the chance to avoid the taser and he opted not to comply. Fuck him. I have no sympathy for idiots who get what they ask for.
So the cops are supposed to know somehow his major is? Was he or was he not resisting? What are they supposed to read into that? How do they know how far he's prepared to go?
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How would an expedition 9 years BEFORE the blast tell you anything about it?
What kills me is that a 1999 expidition is just now being published? WTF have they been doing all these years? How slow are they typing? Did they get a monk to transcribe it for them?
Sure, no problem.
When we're all poor as fuck because of the huge increase in costs and living in a box under a bridge, that will really curtail the emissions, eh? Great plan. Using the phrase "with any luck" always turns out they way they expect....right? Social Security anyone? Welfare? WIC? Workers Comp?
There is no reason why the market can't be allowed to come up with it's own solution. Force feeding some bullshit 10% reduction in 12 year plan down our throats isn't the way. Although, with the flight of people from NYS, the reduction may be reachable because of the drastically fewer households needing power. The only ones left will be assholes in NYC and illegals picking apples and milking cows.
Wouldn't it be cooler to build it with authentic to the era parts and pieces? It would be like a scavenger hunt meets science class. Sadly, it's beyond me and my capabilites.
I do have a line on a bunch of old vaccum tubes that have been in storage for years....
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One thing to keep in mind when arguing with a nerd.
They have alot of free time on their hands to research details and facts since they don't interact with the rest of the world. And they're probably smarter than you.
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
Why am I responding to an AC?
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Whether you're on a podium asking rhetorical questions, or whether you're standing in the middle of the street of a square, standing in the way of a Chinese government tank, you're still wrong
Not necessarily. If the cops walked up and tasered him at the mic, I would be right there with you. In this instance, the student was clearly seeking attention and made things ten times worse.
He could have walked out and complained to the University, but he chose to jump around like a lunatic and disrupt things. Even Kerry in his statement said he barged his way to the mic.
The cops do things wrong from time to time like everyone else, I just don't think this was one of those times.
Why don't you give this a read and tell me what you think.
The official in charge said enough, so that's enough. They were at the end, he was rambling and making statements instead of asking a direct question, they gave him additional time and still he rambled. Eventually, he ran out of time. He escalated the issue by resisting. The cops were on his ass from the beginning because he rushed the mic after hearing they were cutting off questions, and by God he wanted to get his in.
This wasn't a performance on a street corner. This was an event in a controlled setting with rules. They didn't touch him because of what he said but rather because of how he acted.
Just because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you have the right to be heard. There is no right to a forum for your opinion. UF isn't required to allow you to speak as long as you want.
So, clearly your comment that the cops didn't listen to Kerry shows you did not understand the comment put forth.
Are you stupid or just slow?
My initial comment was that he wasn't in charge, he was invited but the UNIVERSITY is in charge. The cops didn't listen to Kerry BECAUSE HE HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THEM.
Jesus Christ, I can't believe that is so hard to fathom on your end. He can say stay, he can say go....he wasn't the one giving orders. Did it look like the cops were looking to Kerry for instructions? It didn't to me. Kerry could have said anything he wanted to at that point, it was too late, the die had been cast.
I never said the guy should have to know who paid the cops...it doesn't really matter. The fact is, they tried to enforce a lawful order and the douche bag decided to resist....game over.
To try and equate someone yelling FIRE to Kerry saying "It's OK, I'll answer his question" is silly and a failing in logic.
Seems pretty simple to me. I disagree with your assertion. I understand it completely and disagree with your conclusion.
Kerry said I'll answer him and the cops ignored Kerry. Kerry doesn't pay their salary, the University does.
Try re-reading my post leaving your biases aside and see if it makes more sense.
I watched it again and I didn't see or hear anything about his time being at an end so I'm going on what the news reports are saying.
But, you can't say that the question was unwelcome/unapproved, etc. I don't know.
I did see the jackass try to have it both ways. He resists, then he throws his arms up and acts suprised. Then he struggles more, then he acts surprised. He struggles more and gets thrown to the ground. Then he says he's ready to walk out. He had quite a few chances to walk out, and he decided to be an ass hat.
The tasering was quite short, he's a drama queen and he knows cameras are rolling.
And they didn't listen to them, did they? So I guess he didn't carry any weight.
To his credit, he was trying to keep the situation from getting out of control. The kid was a drama queen and was hoping for it to get out of control. That's why he was screaming like a woman....to draw attention to himself and the situation HE created.
Sure they do....after they're in cuffs which he wasn't. Watch Cops sometime and tell me how many are frisked while not in cuffs AND are resisting?
I'll save you the trouble and tell you....none.
The SOP (standard operating procedure)is to get control of the situation. The cops didn't have control so they're not going to do anything at that point other than get control.
OK, I think we're pretty close then with our opinions. I'd be right there with you if they decided his question was off base a la Stuttering John or something like that.
I thought the reason they put hands on him was his time had ended, he asked another question which Kerry said he'd answer and then they were going to escort him from the mike. At that point, he escalated the issue.
I think we just disagree over which point he should have been removed, am I right?
Don't be ridiculous. He asked his questions, his time ran out and he continued. They gave him a bit more time, and he persisted. Then, they sought to remove him so the forum could progress. He decided to be a drama queen and resist.
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If I was the one arranging things like this, I would indicate the course of action and the penalties for disobidience. However, I wasn't in charge of this so I guess you'll just have to wait until they call me
Bottom line, don't resist when given a lawful order and have been warned over and over. You're not allowed to cry and snivel about what you knew was coming.
It's not up to Kerry at that point. Kerry isn't in charge of running the show, he's just the "talent".
The student was asked to leave. I don't care if Kerry asked him to finish his speech for him at that point....it's too late.
Well, actually because he was violating the rules set forth.
Freedom of speech is not the Right to be Heard. He can go to the local park, street corner, his own front yard, where ever and feel free to babble on at length. He does not have the right to be heard. There is no right to hijack a forum so his comments can be heard.
That's insane. They were trying to remove him and he resisted. You think he's going to stand still for a frisking? Once he starts resisting, the time for niceties has passed. Now he's a potential threat.
Note the word Potential. You think they would have reacted differently if they thought he had a gun? I do.
It's not like the dipshit was just standing there and the cops rushed him and started tasering him....he initiated the conflict with his actions.
He is totally responsible for the escalation resulting in his tasering.
When he's asked to leave the mike after asking numerous questions and having his time run out, he was resisting, was he not? At that point, he starts to look more like a threat. Pushing for no reason? Did his time not run out and he was asked to leave? Did he not start to resist? Would you call that being pushed around for no reason?
I would agree with you if the cops started harrassing people in the crowd for no reason. Did you see the cops grab anyone standing there doing nothing?
Neither did I.
So I guess your argument is not really valid, is it?
No, they're supposed to wait until there is a clear and present danger of someone getting hurt. A man who has shown no signs of intent to violence and who is already restrained on the floor, is not a threat.
Was he or was he not resisting? If he wasn't resisting, he wouldn't have been on the ground. DO you think they tasered him just for the fun of it? To show off? If so, then why didn't they taser him once the cuffs were on?
No, you assume the cops are supposed to know somehow he's a journalism student and poses no threat. Are the cops supposed to wait until someone gets hurt? What if you were attending the event and were standing in the crowd near them. What if the guy got violent and you ended up getting hurt becuase of it? Would you have the same view? The cops are trying to maintain order and gave him a lawful order to follow. He was given plenty of chances to avoid the taser, he chose not to comply. Tough shit for him. Taser him into compliance.
Another straw man argument.
The facts are, he created a disturbance (not up to mine or your interpritation, but the orgianizers), he was asked to relinquish the floor and he refused. When he was asked to leave, he resisted. At that point, he was repeatedly warned. He continued to resist so he was tasered.
Numerous times, he had the chance to avoid the taser and he opted not to comply. Fuck him. I have no sympathy for idiots who get what they ask for.
So the cops are supposed to know somehow his major is? Was he or was he not resisting? What are they supposed to read into that? How do they know how far he's prepared to go?