As a web developer myself, the solution is never so simple as to say "screw IE." The customer you are building the site for wants a page that works in all browsers. Since IE is widely used (*gag*), unfortunately, we have to obey our customers. And if I don't do it, my competition will, and I've lost a customer. Granted, I don't want those customers, but 99% of them are like that, so I don't really have a choice in the matter. There's no way we can all unite together in some kind of revolt -- some developers may not even want to unite because it's extra business for them!
The damage has already been done. How would you propose we stop supporting IE's shitty rendering engine without angering our customers?? Don't get me wrong, I am also tired of working around IE's retardedness, but I think that simply stopping support for IE is not a feasible option at this point in time. Repairing the damage is going to take time -- lucky for us, other, better browsers are gaining a lot of traction, end-users are becoming (slightly) more educated, and with each day we get closer to being able to develop without headaches. But until that day, we just have our hopes, blood, sweat, and tears...
As someone already mentioned before, this is a great way to let go of people without accountability. Anytime you have mass layoffs or mass firings, stockholders are required to know about it. Layoffs look bad to shareholders and is usually stock price suicide because it means the company is doing so poorly, they resort to cutting jobs in the hopes that running a leaner operation will put them back in the black.
The other problem is that you legally can't hire someone to fill a laid-off position for the six months following a layoff (at least not in California). If there was a voluntary mass exodus from at&t, stock holders might not react in a negative way since those positions can be immediately filled (whether they are or not makes no difference). Also, if say half of those people end up quitting, it's not going to happen all at once, but rather it's going to be divided over a big time period, say 6 months. Again, this doesn't look bad to stockholders as a mass exodus all at the same time.
In reply to the GP, I think you CAN tell someone that their job location is moving, and there is nothing stopping a company from doing so. At my previous work, they shut down several offices around town (and out of town) and moved them into the same building that I worked in to save money. Those who didn't like it quit, over the next few months. I don't see why they couldn't do this with telecommuters -- I'm willing to bet there is some kind of clause in their work agreement that states that they can be required to come into work anytime at&t wants.
Hey, thanks for the link. I am becoming more and more interested in swarm intelligence, and am thinking of doing my master's project in this field. I found your link extremely interesting, and a good place to start (aside from Kennedy and Eberhart's Swarm Intelligence http://www.swarmintelligence.org/SIBook/SI.php).
Yeah, that's very interesting. Sounds like you are a good parent. I did say I liked the idea, perhaps not one that is so invasive, or maybe even a layered approach (step 1: monitor, step 2: warnings, step 3: shut off). My concern was not with parents like you but parents that will use the system as a means of watching kids, versus using it as a facilitating tool in parenting.
Of course, this is pure speculation on my part because I'm not a parent yet. I'll be joining that club in about 2 years. Maybe I can get some good hints about parenting from you then:)
Holy crap! Do people really do that? Seriously what ISP needs to install something on your computer in order for it to work? I've always taken the coaxial cable...
I think you just lost the average user with the words "coaxial cable." Seriously, some people will switch off after the first technical-sounding word -- the length of the conversation thereafter is then proportionate to the amount of money they are willing to spend to get this "internet thingy installed"
The funny thing is, I grew up in a foreign country, so I never knew of Nintendo. As a small kid though (we're talking
But at least I can say that when I was born, video games were invented.:) I'm sorry sir, I will promptly get off your lawn.
Still, I think you are starting to get old when you can talk about the past in terms of decades, and still be referring to your adult (maybe young adult) years.
What if, say, I have some friends over and they take turns playing games, while I'm finishing up some homework before leaving to go to a party?
Nobody ever said that the parent can't turn them off. If that is indeed the case, then get your parents to turn off parental controls when you have friends coming over. Problem solved.
Secondly, I have never heard of a minor studying in another room before going to a party while his friends are playing his Xbox.
Getting the video game turned off without your consent is not going to make you go to your room and study -- it will make you very, very angry. Being the stubborn bastard that I was (and still am), I would not do my homework out of principle just to spite "the system". I would find a million-and-one other time wasters to avoid having to do homework.
Also, I used to watch cartoons and play the Super-Nintendo (I know, this dates me) when I got back from school, because my parents weren't there to watch over me. But when my parents got home, they started nagging at me to finish my homework, chores, etc... and I turned out alright.
While I think it's a relatively good idea, it speaks volumes about parental responsibility. Why parent when you can let a machine do it for you? Maybe a better system would be for the XBox to use its internet connection and SMS the parents periodically with usage statistics (for a monthly or yearly fee, of course), which would then prompt the parents to talk to the kids and make them turn off the game or whatever. Also, if the parent knows that all the homework is done or whatever, why not let the kid play? This system could be less intrusive for the kids, and it would put the control and parenting responsibility back onto the parents' shoulders.
Finally, is there some sort of hard reset on the XBox (like on routers) that would allow kids to bypass this feature? I don't have an XBox 360 so I'm not sure... anyone?
It's not just stupid to rely on an internet connection, but also to use BETA versions for anything serious - I can attest to that. After forgetting my DVI converter for my MBP, and borrowing my professor's windows laptop to do a presentation, IE barfed on it, and I had egg on my face during the presentation. Words were cut off, text boxes jumbled, some slides didn't even show. He didn't have FF.
A fellow colleague offered me her (earlier version) MacBook, but it didn't work in Safari at all. All I got was a blank screen. She didn't have FF either.
It is a stupid idea to use BETA versions for something even remotely serious. I've learned my lessons: never rely on an internet conncetion, never use BETA software, and never assume that just because it works in Firefox, it works elsewhere.
Actually, my main gripe is that the keys vary from application to application, and, like I said above, this is something that NEEDS to be enforced on a system-wide level, and not force developers to invent new keyboard shortcuts. Like I said, everything is different from Firefox, Safari, MS Office, etc. On windows and linux, you know that END takes you to the end of the line. My main problem is that I never know what will happen from app to app in OS X.
In my original post, I never said I have a problem with applications not quitting when the last window is closed. I understand the concept, and I can live with it (even though I think it's counter-intuitive). BUT, my problem is that I can't cycle through the App's open windows with one keystroke, instead of having to switch to the app first, then using a DIFFERENT key combination to cycle through the windows, and ONLY IF that window is not minimized. In the meantime, the same action on windows or linux would have taken a few alt-tabs and you're done.
Both of these "problems" are not bugs in OS X. The window switching works as designed. The problem is that the design is wrong.
As a funny aside, the first time I tried to do search-and-replace using Command-H (because it's Ctrl-H on Windows), my reaction was "wtf just happened?"
From what I understand, the labels not only provide the recording studios and marketing money, they also provide producers who, in 99% of pop music today, write and compose the actual songs. The "artists" are nothing more than performers of the songs written by the record producers.
Attending a class also allows you to ask questions for topics that you may not understand completely, even with studying the book. I know that most math books are written by math PhDs, and although the topic is covered, it may not make sense. That's why it's so important to have an interactive learning environment.
Like the parent says, you are less likely to get frustrated and give up.
-You got any idea what we gonna do to you if you don't [retract that statement]??
-Let me guess. First you're gonna pound my face, break every bone in my body, then you're gonna drag me across a gravel road, and feed my remains to a warthog. Is that about right?
-What are you, nuts? This is the nineties. We're gonna sue you. We're gonna get you for [slander], mental anguish, loss of work hours...when we get through with you, you ain't gonna have a dime left to your name! You'll be hearing from our attorney.
-Obscure??
p.s. modified slightly:)
Re:Fox take over? Stealing source code?
on
Fox Hacks Fark
·
· Score: 5, Interesting
Why would Fox buy Fark? For starters, Fark gets a ton of traffic. They have a ton of paying subscribers.
They are probably not after the source code or anything that ridiculous. They are pulling the same stunt they did a few months back with Photobucket -- give them negative publicity and drive down the bidding prices (assuming Fark is on the market). If you recall, Photobucket sold for like 1/3 of the original price because MySpace -- owned by Fox -- broke the linkage between their servers and Photobucket. Dirty, but brilliant.
Too bad Fark didn't fall for it. Go get 'em Drew!!!
Slashdot Mirror
As a web developer myself, the solution is never so simple as to say "screw IE." The customer you are building the site for wants a page that works in all browsers. Since IE is widely used (*gag*), unfortunately, we have to obey our customers. And if I don't do it, my competition will, and I've lost a customer. Granted, I don't want those customers, but 99% of them are like that, so I don't really have a choice in the matter. There's no way we can all unite together in some kind of revolt -- some developers may not even want to unite because it's extra business for them!
The damage has already been done. How would you propose we stop supporting IE's shitty rendering engine without angering our customers?? Don't get me wrong, I am also tired of working around IE's retardedness, but I think that simply stopping support for IE is not a feasible option at this point in time. Repairing the damage is going to take time -- lucky for us, other, better browsers are gaining a lot of traction, end-users are becoming (slightly) more educated, and with each day we get closer to being able to develop without headaches. But until that day, we just have our hopes, blood, sweat, and tears...
As someone already mentioned before, this is a great way to let go of people without accountability. Anytime you have mass layoffs or mass firings, stockholders are required to know about it. Layoffs look bad to shareholders and is usually stock price suicide because it means the company is doing so poorly, they resort to cutting jobs in the hopes that running a leaner operation will put them back in the black.
The other problem is that you legally can't hire someone to fill a laid-off position for the six months following a layoff (at least not in California). If there was a voluntary mass exodus from at&t, stock holders might not react in a negative way since those positions can be immediately filled (whether they are or not makes no difference). Also, if say half of those people end up quitting, it's not going to happen all at once, but rather it's going to be divided over a big time period, say 6 months. Again, this doesn't look bad to stockholders as a mass exodus all at the same time.
In reply to the GP, I think you CAN tell someone that their job location is moving, and there is nothing stopping a company from doing so. At my previous work, they shut down several offices around town (and out of town) and moved them into the same building that I worked in to save money. Those who didn't like it quit, over the next few months. I don't see why they couldn't do this with telecommuters -- I'm willing to bet there is some kind of clause in their work agreement that states that they can be required to come into work anytime at&t wants.
Like the airplane joke: http://www.thecleverest.com/countdown.swf
Hey, thanks for the link. I am becoming more and more interested in swarm intelligence, and am thinking of doing my master's project in this field. I found your link extremely interesting, and a good place to start (aside from Kennedy and Eberhart's Swarm Intelligence http://www.swarmintelligence.org/SIBook/SI.php).
That would be very awkward for me.
(Waiting to finish school first :)
Yeah, that's very interesting. Sounds like you are a good parent. I did say I liked the idea, perhaps not one that is so invasive, or maybe even a layered approach (step 1: monitor, step 2: warnings, step 3: shut off). My concern was not with parents like you but parents that will use the system as a means of watching kids, versus using it as a facilitating tool in parenting.
Of course, this is pure speculation on my part because I'm not a parent yet. I'll be joining that club in about 2 years. Maybe I can get some good hints about parenting from you then :)
Holy crap! Do people really do that? Seriously what ISP needs to install something on your computer in order for it to work? I've always taken the coaxial cable...
I think you just lost the average user with the words "coaxial cable." Seriously, some people will switch off after the first technical-sounding word -- the length of the conversation thereafter is then proportionate to the amount of money they are willing to spend to get this "internet thingy installed"
The funny thing is, I grew up in a foreign country, so I never knew of Nintendo. As a small kid though (we're talking
But at least I can say that when I was born, video games were invented. :) I'm sorry sir, I will promptly get off your lawn.
Still, I think you are starting to get old when you can talk about the past in terms of decades, and still be referring to your adult (maybe young adult) years.
Nope, I had chest hair when I played it. :) I got my SNES in 1994.
What if, say, I have some friends over and they take turns playing games, while I'm finishing up some homework before leaving to go to a party?
Nobody ever said that the parent can't turn them off. If that is indeed the case, then get your parents to turn off parental controls when you have friends coming over. Problem solved.
Secondly, I have never heard of a minor studying in another room before going to a party while his friends are playing his Xbox.
Getting the video game turned off without your consent is not going to make you go to your room and study -- it will make you very, very angry. Being the stubborn bastard that I was (and still am), I would not do my homework out of principle just to spite "the system". I would find a million-and-one other time wasters to avoid having to do homework.
Also, I used to watch cartoons and play the Super-Nintendo (I know, this dates me) when I got back from school, because my parents weren't there to watch over me. But when my parents got home, they started nagging at me to finish my homework, chores, etc... and I turned out alright.
While I think it's a relatively good idea, it speaks volumes about parental responsibility. Why parent when you can let a machine do it for you? Maybe a better system would be for the XBox to use its internet connection and SMS the parents periodically with usage statistics (for a monthly or yearly fee, of course), which would then prompt the parents to talk to the kids and make them turn off the game or whatever. Also, if the parent knows that all the homework is done or whatever, why not let the kid play? This system could be less intrusive for the kids, and it would put the control and parenting responsibility back onto the parents' shoulders.
Finally, is there some sort of hard reset on the XBox (like on routers) that would allow kids to bypass this feature? I don't have an XBox 360 so I'm not sure... anyone?
So I lose another battle. Damn you, sir.
It's not just stupid to rely on an internet connection, but also to use BETA versions for anything serious - I can attest to that. After forgetting my DVI converter for my MBP, and borrowing my professor's windows laptop to do a presentation, IE barfed on it, and I had egg on my face during the presentation. Words were cut off, text boxes jumbled, some slides didn't even show. He didn't have FF.
A fellow colleague offered me her (earlier version) MacBook, but it didn't work in Safari at all. All I got was a blank screen. She didn't have FF either.
It is a stupid idea to use BETA versions for something even remotely serious. I've learned my lessons: never rely on an internet conncetion, never use BETA software, and never assume that just because it works in Firefox, it works elsewhere.
I tried that too, didn't like it. It's not a very polished product -- I'll attribute it to being an Alpha release.
Actually, my main gripe is that the keys vary from application to application, and, like I said above, this is something that NEEDS to be enforced on a system-wide level, and not force developers to invent new keyboard shortcuts. Like I said, everything is different from Firefox, Safari, MS Office, etc. On windows and linux, you know that END takes you to the end of the line. My main problem is that I never know what will happen from app to app in OS X.
In my original post, I never said I have a problem with applications not quitting when the last window is closed. I understand the concept, and I can live with it (even though I think it's counter-intuitive). BUT, my problem is that I can't cycle through the App's open windows with one keystroke, instead of having to switch to the app first, then using a DIFFERENT key combination to cycle through the windows, and ONLY IF that window is not minimized. In the meantime, the same action on windows or linux would have taken a few alt-tabs and you're done.
Both of these "problems" are not bugs in OS X. The window switching works as designed. The problem is that the design is wrong.
As a funny aside, the first time I tried to do search-and-replace using Command-H (because it's Ctrl-H on Windows), my reaction was "wtf just happened?"
I get a vision of a jack russell terrier when the icons jump out at me from the (hidden) dock in OS X. /recent convert to OS X
From what I understand, the labels not only provide the recording studios and marketing money, they also provide producers who, in 99% of pop music today, write and compose the actual songs. The "artists" are nothing more than performers of the songs written by the record producers.
100% agreed. This sounds like fear mongering by politicians or other talking heads.
Attending a class also allows you to ask questions for topics that you may not understand completely, even with studying the book. I know that most math books are written by math PhDs, and although the topic is covered, it may not make sense. That's why it's so important to have an interactive learning environment. Like the parent says, you are less likely to get frustrated and give up.
A one-off freak occurrence is usually Somebody Else's Fault
Besides, he left it to an undergrad to analyze the data. Therefore, it's the Undergrad's Fault. :)
So IE users are not at risk?
Cobras *ssssssss*
Panthers *MEOW*
Personally, I like Notepad++ for Windows, but it is definitely bloated. Textpad is much more lightweight, but not free. I'll give SciTE a shot...
Oh yeah, brother! The Suburban Commando
MMMMMMMMMMM Antifreeze!
-You got any idea what we gonna do to you if you don't [retract that statement]??
:)
-Let me guess. First you're gonna pound my face, break every bone in my body, then you're gonna drag me across a gravel road, and feed my remains to a warthog. Is that about right?
-What are you, nuts? This is the nineties. We're gonna sue you. We're gonna get you for [slander], mental anguish, loss of work hours...when we get through with you, you ain't gonna have a dime left to your name! You'll be hearing from our attorney.
-Obscure??
p.s. modified slightly
Why would Fox buy Fark? For starters, Fark gets a ton of traffic. They have a ton of paying subscribers.
They are probably not after the source code or anything that ridiculous. They are pulling the same stunt they did a few months back with Photobucket -- give them negative publicity and drive down the bidding prices (assuming Fark is on the market). If you recall, Photobucket sold for like 1/3 of the original price because MySpace -- owned by Fox -- broke the linkage between their servers and Photobucket. Dirty, but brilliant.
Too bad Fark didn't fall for it. Go get 'em Drew!!!